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Running Apps and lag

Hi:
Does having running apps slow the Hero performance?
I have constantly running the following apps
-Autoconference
-Voice called ID
and therefore (I assume) "Text to speech extended"
and I am kind of falling in despair with the lag of the Hero. I like it a lot, but the loading time opening apps, or popping up the keyboard is making me mad...I want speed, performance and eye candy...I think we all HTC Hero owners want this and bought it for that reason.
I wander if lag is experience in Android 1.5 in the hero + sense...what will happen to our phones with the Android 2.0 update?
Why does HTC sell products not fully tunned and let XDA or other developers fix their phones?

mantrajt said:
Hi:
Does having running apps slow the Hero performance?
I have constantly running the following apps
-Autoconference
-Voice called ID
and therefore (I assume) "Text to speech extended"
and I am kind of falling in despair with the lag of the Hero. I like it a lot, but the loading time opening apps, or popping up the keyboard is making me mad...I want speed, performance and eye candy...I think we all HTC Hero owners want this and bought it for that reason.
I wander if lag is experience in Android 1.5 in the hero + sense...what will happen to our phones with the Android 2.0 update?
Why does HTC sell products not fully tunned and let XDA or other developers fix their phones?
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Modaco's MCR 3.1 is much, much faster, IMO. When that's released to the public, I recommend upgrading.
Other than that, you can try a program like Autostarts, which I haven't used, but apparently it allows you to prevent certain apps from loading at boot time. Also, TasKiller is great, it lets you kill individual apps, or all running apps (it includes an "Ignore" list so any apps you don't want killed, won't be.)
As for 2.0, I've run Lox's Kogudroid ROM, and it is very very speedy, however it's missing the HTC software (aka it's vanilla android.) Once we have an official 2.0/2.1 ROM from HTC, I may go with a vanilla ROM like that one. I think I could pass up the HTC widgets for the speed improvement... but we'll see how the official HTC ROM runs, I suppose.

[Q] Froyo's new way of managing apps

I'm using Cyanogenmod 6 (stable) on my HTC Dream.
Now, I know that there's been a change in Froyo (Android 2.2) whereby task manager apps can no longer kill running apps. That's fine. I can kill tasks in Running Services if I want. (Although I wish I had a faster way of accessing the Running Services...)
Anyways, I'm noticing that I'm having a problem with apps being closed by the system when I definitely never want them closing unless I close them myself. I was able to do this just fine in pre-Froyo ... but there are really some apps, like AndChat, that I don't want closing at any odd random time (I'm guessing this happens when the system decides it needs to free up some RAM or something). Is there a way to keep certain apps ALWAYS running unless I close them?
Please tell me there's a way to do this. I'm loving Froyo otherwise, but there are some apps that I don't want the system closing on its own.

Please tell me there's a way around this. I never had this problem pre-Froyo.
Can I maybe prioritize non-essential processes or something (So that maybe it'd close some other app instead of the one or two I want to keep running)?
Please help

If you do, then whatever you are trying to do that causes those processes to be killed will NOT WORK. You will get the magical disappearing application problem where a newly launched program will randomly die. It could get really messy if there isn't enough free memory to load the launcher -- you'll end up in battery munching loops at seemingly random times.

*sighs*
That's just ... sad. I understand what you're saying. I do hope there's still another way though. I really try not to have much running. But sometimes even if all I have running is AndChat and a browser, AndChat would close. It's really annoying.
Thanks for your reply.

The most annoying thing to me about the way FroYo manages apps is that my browser will often close when not being used, and upon returning to it only the last page displayed will reload but any other windows that were open do not.
This never happened in 2.1
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[Q] probably my last attempt... please help.

hi everyone,
with the G2 coming out next month, I think this is gonna be my last attempt at getting my G1 working acceptably.
for those of you that would like to skip my sob story/history, you can skip to the next paragraph. i've had a G1 since july 2009. even though i do love it and android, the thing has constantly run horribly for me. constant lag, a history of force closes (although lately none of that luckily), lots of freezing, restarts etc. i've gone thru tons of different roms, currently on e-Xtreme 2.1 version 1.3. had lots of experienced people from these boards help me with flashing, setting up, reflashing, flashing again, setting up again, formatting my sd card, trying different setups, unrooting and rerooting. we've tried all different kinds of things to get me running well. i'm also at this point using NO widgets except the google search bar and the power widget included in 2.1. when i go to running services all i have is android keyboard, quick search box, gtalkservice, twidroyd, cm updater (impossible to shut off it seems), and setcpu. still i get constant lag from everything from opening messages, to opening websites, to getting back to the home screen, to pretty much everything. forget about loading the camera, it can take like 15 seconds sometimes! i frequently use cachemate to clear my cache. honestly right now the phone is working pretty much the best it's ever worked, but its still awful. also sometimes when i get back to my homescreen my icons don't show up. it's actually bad enough that sometimes i will just not bother doing something i wanted to do cause i dont feel like dealing with it lagging and/or freezing up. and forget about widgets. haha.
ok so, you may or may not have skipped all of that, but at this point, i want my phone to run better in a last ditch effort to maybe be able to stick with the g1 until my full contract is up in july 2011. if not i'm doing the early upgrade and reupping my 2 year contract and getting the g2 next month... what i'm wondering is maybe theres an app i have installed that's eating up memory in some way and is a known issue. i've searched around but haven't found anything about these, and rather than sit here and delete each one, one by one, waiting to see if the phone runs better, i figured i'd just type out a list and see if anyone knows of any known issues with any of these... so here it goes:
astro
barcode scanner
cachemate
calwidget
color flashlight
craigsnotifica
dolphin browser
droidball
drop
facebook
frontiers demo
googles
google sky map
gscript lite
last.fm
latitude
lyric droid
magic gem II demo
movies
myspace
nesoid
news and weather
newsrob
orbs knockoff
painting findings
pandora
pingdroid
replica island
rom manager
setcpu
springpad
soduku free
tangram master full
throw a panda
that's it. i really don't think that's so excessive. i mean theres only like 5 or 6 games in there and some of those things like setcpu, facebook and cachemate are pratically required for proper phone usage. and i wouldn't even bother having a phone without twidroyd and newsrob.
so has anyone heard of any known issues with lag caused by having one of these installed and/or one of these doing something in the background that slows stuff down?
thanks so much to anyone that helps. i'm willing to give this one more try. maybe even wiping and reflashing one more time, but after the dozen times i have already, i think i might just be expecting too much haha.
thanks
Dave

Is it me or is stock a bit sluggish?

I am on stock 2.3.5 with Sense 3.0, Its a bit slow to be honest and what the hell is eating all the RAM 80mb free out of 606MB

That would be all the apps loaded into your internal memory. You can avoid slowdown by moving apps over to your SD card. Also if your running live wallpaper or have widgets that grab information and update via your mobile network. I wouldn't say it's your fault tho as these devices are advertised with live wallpaper and 3d applications. I found my phone to be sluggish too after installing many apps and running sync with fb and news and lots of other crap. Also the more you use your phone the slower it all get as files installed by apps on internal memory when uninstalled usually don't erase everything therefore clogging up your system. These devices are like computers in a lot of ways especially in the way when you buy it it runs fast and smooth than goes to **** after a few months. For all these reasons and many more I rooted and flashed so I have complete control over my device.

itsbeertimenow said:
That would be all the apps loaded into your internal memory. You can avoid slowdown by moving apps over to your SD card. Also if your running live wallpaper or have widgets that grab information and update via your mobile network. I wouldn't say it's your fault tho as these devices are advertised with live wallpaper and 3d applications. I found my phone to be sluggish too after installing many apps and running sync with fb and news and lots of other crap. Also the more you use your phone the slower it all get as files installed by apps on internal memory when uninstalled usually don't erase everything therefore clogging up your system. These devices are like computers in a lot of ways especially in the way when you buy it it runs fast and smooth than goes to **** after a few months. For all these reasons and many more I rooted and flashed so I have complete control over my device.
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Ok dude point me in the direction of a newbies guide to rooting, I did S-Off and rom a desire S but it was a fair while ago and can't remember how I did it now but presumably its the same idea.

slugger09 said:
Ok dude point me in the direction of a newbies guide to rooting, I did S-Off and rom a desire S but it was a fair while ago and can't remember how I did it now but presumably its the same idea.
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Follow this. http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/HTC_Incredible_S:_Full_Update_Guide
If you don't want cyanogen just replace it at the end but I would stay with cm.
Sent from my Incredible S using XDA App

OR,
If you want to stay stock, try and figure how to use ROM Cleaner.
Doing that, you can remove unnecessary default applications or bloatware that might be causing you discomfort, which cannot be uninstalled by conventional means.

stock is really slow. I would recomend rooting and flashing custom roms. One thats suits of course...

I agree. I had the Incredible S and it worked pretty smoothly before the update. There is a tad bit of lag with the new update. I would recommend trying a new rom.

Frustrated!

I have xperia T with locked bootloader, so i can only try stock based roms. I was very satisfied with the phone, but not any more. I changed many roms,but with every rom, after about a month of usage phone starts to be be laggy, and slow. Especially the browser. It takes ages to load a page. Also typing seems to get laggy. After I flash different rom, everything gets to normal again. Does anyone have the same scenario, as. I am? Could something be done to speed up the phone?
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Maybe you have many apps?
Maybe you have mang apps that runs in the background?
Maybe your phone is broken?
You could install some tweaks such as V6 Supercharger.
You could clear cache once a while.
You could let your phone rest.
For me, I don't face this problem.
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I do have many apps. I clear cache once in a while, and phone feels better when i do that. But i never shut down or reset. I'll try to do that and see how it performs.
Thanks for your answer.
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I guess you don't have any special "issue" with your phone.
Every single phone lags - period. Sooner or later, and this or that moment, it lags. To be honest, I'm ok with that for quite some time. Every app is getting more hungry with every new version, and when you're installing and updating apps on daily pattern, it simply becomes too heavy for system resources to handle. For example, if you do a factory reset now on your T/TX, and if you're sticking with stock rom, there is 300MBs of updates right after first boot. I was shocked when I saw that my system memory jumped from 270MBs of usage after first boot, to 530MBs just after system apps updates...
Android lag tendencies are old story now. Google did not solve this yet, and project butter didn't make any notable changes regarding UI lag. Yet, I would't change it for iOS or WP for a whole world.

There for there will be trim support in android 4.3
It's like your windows based pc, after a while it will get slow. And so are android phones.

- Keep the least number of apps possible on the phone
- Remove widgets you don't really need
- Chose the smaller sized app with the humbler memory foot print, if there are alternatives
- Trim occasionally as what my predecessor mentioned, there are trim apps out there, like Lagfix
- Reboot once a day.
Sounds profane, I know.

i've tried many custom roms with LBL but never had this problem.
all i do is restart the phone once a week or two weeks..

mr_torture said:
I guess you don't have any special "issue" with your phone.
Every single phone lags - period. Sooner or later, and this or that moment, it lags. To be honest, I'm ok with that for quite some time. Every app is getting more hungry with every new version, and when you're installing and updating apps on daily pattern, it simply becomes too heavy for system resources to handle. For example, if you do a factory reset now on your T/TX, and if you're sticking with stock rom, there is 300MBs of updates right after first boot. I was shocked when I saw that my system memory jumped from 270MBs of usage after first boot, to 530MBs just after system apps updates...
Android lag tendencies are old story now. Google did not solve this yet, and project butter didn't make any notable changes regarding UI lag. Yet, I would't change it for iOS or WP for a whole world.
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I was considering to chnage my phone, and go for S4, or HTC ONE, but because of those "Android lag tendencies", after a month of not reseting or cleaning the cache, they should lag olso. Am I right? I'm not familiar with WP or IOS. Do they have lag tendencies also ?

Andrija231 said:
I was considering to chnage my phone, and go for S4, or HTC ONE, but because of those "Android lag tendencies", after a month of not reseting or cleaning the cache, they should lag olso. Am I right? I'm not familiar with WP or IOS. Do they have lag tendencies also ?
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Well, you will probably get a bit snappier performance with two mentioned phones, but believe me, if anybody tell you their phones are not lagging at all, like never ever, they lie. I played with S4, and I played with HTC One, and these also have glitches from time to time.
Regarding iOS and WP, I never personaly used any of those, but I played a lot with that phones, as my friends are having them. iOS is generally considered to have quite fluid interface, but that's because iOS is totally different system and is handling user interface with different priorities. And honestly, it is fluid. Especially since iPhone 4... But on the other side, it is such a limited system, that I never ever considered switching to it. WP is also quite fluid, but again, that giant-squares interface is very dull to me, and WP ecosystem is still far behind Android.
Point is, I'm not willing to change Android for some other weaker system, just for the sake of a snappier and more fluid interface...
But that's just me. Maybe somebody else is having different priorities.

Thanks for the honest answer. I can live with the reset from time to time. I also don't consider changing Android for iOS or Windows because Android has so many features over them. I hope in the future Google will manage to eliminate that lag.
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Andrija231 said:
I hope in the future Google will manage to eliminate that lag.
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We all do... Practically, the only argument iOS and WP users are having, is that magic word "lag".
Other than that, Android is unbeatable in all other areas.

Big colourful icons, multi-function widgets, and many other eye candy functions use system resources without delivering a real value for the user. Windows has plump tiles, and the app drawer is just a simple list of apps. Just as examples. My wifes windows phone has 2/3 of the hardware power, but it worked fluid any time.
Change the icons to simple symbols, make a vertical scroll app drawer with tiny icons, remove widgets, use the app drawer to access apps. And so on. It will bring you leaps forward in terms of functionality.
Most will say that unused memory is wasted memory. I believe on the long run it's better apps have a proper exit button, and clear themselves from memory when done.