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Hi there,
Quick question for all you fellow HD7 owners.
Have you noticed that the phone can be painfully slow loading apps / games?
General phone use is quick, but when I fire up a game or facebook / twitter I often have to wait upwards of 20 seconds before I can actually get going. Certain games, like The Harvest, seem to take forever.
I can only conclude that HTC have used the slowest SD Cards that money could buy in an effort to shave their margins.
Not that impressed.
warpkid said:
Hi there,
Quick question for all you fellow HD7 owners.
Have you noticed that the phone can be painfully slow loading apps / games?
General phone use is quick, but when I fire up a game or facebook / twitter I often have to wait upwards of 20 seconds before I can actually get going. Certain games, like The Harvest, seem to take forever.
I can only conclude that HTC have used the slowest SD Cards that money could buy in an effort to shave their margins.
Not that impressed.
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WMPower Users have a story about that, where someone compared a HTC Trophy to the Samsung Omnia 7 (the Samsung has a SSD, not MicroSD), and the HTC loaded games 2x slower.
I'm really scared about this, I was going to buy a HD7 but knowing this, it sounds pretty bad :/
Coming from a 3gs I'm a little dissapointed by the loading speeds. I guess that's the difference between nand and SD storage.
Oh well!
This is a bit concerning but I had a Desire with Apps2SD on, with a 16GB Class 2 Micro SD Card and apps loaded up fine. I'm guessing after a few updates the speed will be faster.
I havent had that feeling, both Twitter and facebook are loading in less then 10 seconds! But sometimes I have to reboot, because it just bounce back when you try to open a hub!
brummiesteven said:
This is a bit concerning but I had a Desire with Apps2SD on, with a 16GB Class 2 Micro SD Card and apps loaded up fine. I'm guessing after a few updates the speed will be faster.
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The XNA programming platform has been known for slow load times, add in a SD Card and apparently it gets slower.
TonWes: Try opening a game, not an app. Twitter and Facebook are written using Silverlight most likely, not XNA.
Ok so its not an apples to apples test but bejeweled live takes 45 seconds to load to the main menu in my hd7. On a 3gs bejeweled 2 takes about 5 seconds to load. say what you will about optimisation but it would appear that HTC used some poor grade memory in this phone!
And 45 seconds to load a simple game like bejeweled! Wow!
The Trophy in that video doesn't have a removable sd card, either.. there's a large sandisk chip soldered to the motherboard.
Obviously the controller or the memory is inferior to what samsung is using in the Omnia 7.. which is a real shame.
This is making me re-think my decision to buy a HD7..
are the load times the same (bad) on the 8GB en the 16 GB ?
Hello,
Someon with HD7 can try to load the game "retro spaces" and say us the load time.
Theres is a video in youtube that compare trophy with omnia and the diferences are big
Then it will be very interesting if anyone can try the HD7 with original sdcard and with other beter card
warpkid said:
Ok so its not an apples to apples test but bejeweled live takes 45 seconds to load to the main menu in my hd7. On a 3gs bejeweled 2 takes about 5 seconds to load. say what you will about optimisation but it would appear that HTC used some poor grade memory in this phone!
And 45 seconds to load a simple game like bejeweled! Wow!
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Yea i can confirm this too.
It's ridiculous on how long it takes to load up Bejeweled. I use to own a iPhone (all versions) and the iPhone can load it up in 5-10secs (10secs for older versions of the iphones). 45 secs just to load a game like Bejeweled is insane.
I would of thought as a "entertainment phone", they could at least beef up the memory. Since the screen was a monster already, i was expecting the specs to match up to it's screen... sadly i was wrong...
DAVIZINHO said:
Hello,
Someon with HD7 can try to load the game "retro spaces" and say us the load time.
Theres is a video in youtube that compare trophy with omnia and the diferences are big
Then it will be very interesting if anyone can try the HD7 with original sdcard and with other beter card
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That game is not out yet - the video is from the developer of the game
ElysiumY2K said:
Yea i can confirm this too.
It's ridiculous on how long it takes to load up Bejeweled. I use to own a iPhone (all versions) and the iPhone can load it up in 5-10secs (10secs for older versions of the iphones). 45 secs just to load a game like Bejeweled is insane.
I would of thought as a "entertainment phone", they could at least beef up the memory. Since the screen was a monster already, i was expecting the specs to match up to it's screen... sadly i was wrong...
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Whilst there is no doubt that the iPhone will load games quicker, as will other NAND based phones (omnia 7) Im hoping that the deficit between the two will shrink over time as the tools / sdk improves.
There is no way bejeweled should take 45 seconds to load. There just isnt that much to the game. Im hoping that a few patches down the line it will be a bit better at least.
Still, I would like to see the game loading on an omnia 7, which I imagine would do it at least twice as quick.
And, I suppose I have to take heart in the face that once loads performance will be the same. Just a shame it takes so bloody long.
Takes 32 seconds on my HD7. Still not good enough, but defo Popcaps fault.
Just checked on my Omnia 7, takes 15 seconds.
Yeh took about 28 seconds on my HD7
Surely this is App related aswell.
Tetris for instance loads almost instantly.
I'm not doubting that the Omnia is probably faster, but I'm sure these slow loading times are due to the apps themselves.
Milky1 said:
Just checked on my Omnia 7, takes 15 seconds.
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Omnia FTW!
Hopefully someone can test a HD7 with a better SD card in it, that would be interesting.
ace10134 said:
Omnia FTW!
Hopefully someone can test a HD7 with a better SD card in it, that would be interesting.
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HD7 doesnt have a SD slot!!???
rafter_01 said:
HD7 doesnt have a SD slot!!???
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of course it does!
I want to get a 16gb Micro SD but i dont know which one to get.
Class 10 costs 130
Class 4 costs 38
any suggesttions?
ALSO, how big is a movie using the Nook Color presets ? (800x480) 1100Kbit?
Get this card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...cm_re=patriot_micro_sd-_-20-220-546-_-Product
It is the best card for the money.
i live in singapore , but would you think a class 4 would be as good as class 10?
Patrikc8 said:
I want to get a 16gb Micro SD but i dont know which one to get.
Class 10 costs 130
Class 4 costs 38
any suggesttions?
ALSO, how big is a movie using the Nook Color presets ? (800x480) 1100Kbit?
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IIRC, about 1.5GB, depending on length. Although I don't store them on the NC, I just have a web server and stream them. Only time I store any on the NC itself is if I'm going on a trip and won't have access to my home wifi. For that I have a 32 (edit, oops) 16gb class 4 which works just fine.
the class only states the lowest speed a card is rated for, it doesn't mean that it can't be faster. all the sandisk 16gig class 2 cards i've bought all are tested to run at class 6.
i don't think you'd really see a difference unless you copy large single files or run benchmarks. bunches of small files may sustain the same speed on both cards.
That said, if you can get both at the same price i'd go for the higher class rating as long as it's from a reputable manufacturer.
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IIRC, about 1.5GB, depending on length. Although I don't store them on the NC, I just have a web server and stream them. Only time I store any on the NC itself is if I'm going on a trip and won't have access to my home wifi. For that I have a 32 (edit, oops) 16gb class 4 which works just fine.
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thank guys for all the help.
REALLY curious on your web server , how did you set it up? do you connect it from anywhere? plz DETAILS
Patrikc8 said:
thank guys for all the help.
REALLY curious on your web server , how did you set it up? do you connect it from anywhere? plz DETAILS
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You can get a free MP4 streaming server from tools4movies.com. Seems to work fine for me. Just install it, start it, go to folders, add your movies folder, select all movies, then hit the little lightning bolt button at the bottom to convert them to streaming MP4s (or verify that they all already are). It's very simple which is why I like it since I don't know a damn thing about web servers.
I use DVDCatalyst to convert (from the same site), but I can't get the 'Enable streaming' option to work, so I do it separately.
dtmarshall said:
You can get a free MP4 streaming server from tools4movies.com. Seems to work fine for me. Just install it, start it, go to folders, add your movies folder, select all movies, then hit the little lightning bolt button at the bottom to convert them to streaming MP4s (or verify that they all already are). It's very simple which is why I like it since I don't know a damn thing about web servers.
I use DVDCatalyst to convert (from the same site), but I can't get the 'Enable streaming' option to work, so I do it separately.
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so u use the free mp4 streaming , but did u buy the converter why didnt u just use handbrake which is free?
Patrikc8 said:
so u use the free mp4 streaming , but did u buy the converter why didnt u just use handbrake which is free?
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Sorry, thought that was obvious. I'm stupid.
Free International Shipping :
http://cgi.ebay.com/Kingmax-16GB-16...gital_Camera_Memory_Cards&hash=item2eb29af41e
Kingsmax is decent memory as well.
Thanks guys , ill use my 4gb one then if i really need the upgrade ill buy It L
Seriously, dvdcat is pretty nice. Its very easy to use, and rock solid. I've had it converting fit literally days working on some 400 hours worth of video. It also makes good use of multicore even when only doing 1 DVD. Does full length in 15 or 20 minutes on my 2.66 ghz quad core.
You can also just pick your device and it figures out the details for that device, which makes it easy for idiots like me.
I know there are better forums to ask this on but I love XDA and figured you guys might know a thing or two about computers..
I bought my HP Pavilion dv6 2190 2 years ago and it has been great to me.. only complaint is that the 6 cell battery give me enough time to un plug and find a new outlet..
Anyways after 2 years, it needed some work.. It has a 1.8Ghz i7, Nvidia GT230m 1GB GPU, and I doubled my RAM from 4GB to 8GB and then took the 500Gb HDD out and installed a clean install of windows 7 professional on a 128GB SSD and then put the 500GB HDD in a caddy and installed it in my DVD bay as media storage, plus I never used my DVD drive..
Now I split the 128GB SSD in two partitions for a Ubuntu and W7 dual boot and Ubuntu flies, no issues with videos, unlimited browsers, all kinds of applications open at once, But W7 just plain sucks.. Browsers when watching a Video, the video will become choppy and the entiresystem will come to a hault.. Also even before the SSD and RAM, Editing in Premiere Pro wasnt this choppy. Sometimes it flies like it should, then other times it gets so bogged down with just one Browser open, or when editing Video with no other programs running and less then 60 total processes running Video playback at 1/4 quality is so hoppy its un useable.
I understand that my computer is 2 years old but with this much new equipment and a clean install I would think it would be happy as a champ in both Ubuntu and W7.
I keep my computer clean and dont have tons of programs bogging it down.. I just want to know what you guys think and what info do you need to help me?
I tried to see if I have and back ground programs or processes that are holdong things back but I cant see anything..
Any ideas?
Last.. Mods feel free to move topic..
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What speed is the 500gb HD? And 1.7 GHz is not that much for video editing. Also make sure you don't have any unnecessary processes running. Go to task manager, second tab, and click the tab that I forgot what it says and I can't check now cuz I'm on a mac. It's the last one.
jaszek said:
What speed is the 500gb HD? And 1.7 GHz is not that much for video editing. Also make sure you don't have any unnecessary processes running. Go to task manager, second tab, and click the tab that I forgot what it says and I can't check now cuz I'm on a mac. It's the last one.
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The HDD is a 7200rpm and is data only. The os and few programs I have are on the SSD. And 1.8 ghz is not blistering fast but has worked just fine before. Plus premiere pro uses the gpu for playback.. And this happens with chrome too. It's not just editing. And I am down to 50-55 processes and they are all system except for the editing program.
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Spend 500 bucks and get a laptop 4 times faster, it's the most logical solution.
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Scan with an antivirus. There might be something there. Also if you have the time, format again, might help.
Sounds like a Hardware Acceleration issue to me. That's a weak GPU and everything you describe as causing problems is when the GPU is being utilised. Try turning off Hardware Acceleration in your Browser/Video Player (DXVA), and see if they run better without it.
Windows may also feel sluggish with Aero turned on as that also uses Hardware Acceleration.
DirkGently said:
Sounds like a Hardware Acceleration issue to me. That's a weak GPU and everything you describe as causing problems is when the GPU is being utilised. Try turning off Hardware Acceleration in your Browser/Video Player (DXVA), and see if they run better without it.
Windows may also feel sluggish with Aero turned on as that also uses Hardware Acceleration.
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+1 turn off Aero.
DirkGently said:
Sounds like a Hardware Acceleration issue to me. That's a weak GPU and everything you describe as causing problems is when the GPU is being utilised. Try turning off Hardware Acceleration in your Browser/Video Player (DXVA), and see if they run better without it.
Windows may also feel sluggish with Aero turned on as that also uses Hardware Acceleration.
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I will turn Aero off and see if that helps.. I remember AVG Tune up had me turn off Aero before I did all these upgrades, I will try that. and I know its a week GPU but it ran the murcery playback engine in Premiere Pro for over a year just fine with 1080 h.264 video with color correcting and multiple layers just fine at 1/2 quality realtime playback and now I can't watch 1/4 quality with out the computer coming to a stand still.. could my GPU have gone bad?
jaszek said:
Scan with an antivirus. There might be something there. Also if you have the time, format again, might help.
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multiple AVG full computer scans never come up with anything more then just empty browser cache and cookies and that small stuff.. I may format both the 500GB HDD and the 128SSD.. I know the HDD could use Defraging and probably should be just wipped.. But still the OS's and Programs are on the SSD.. And Ubuntu runs like a champ so I find it hard to think its so much hardware issue.
itsbeertimenow said:
Spend 500 bucks and get a laptop 4 times faster, it's the most logical solution.
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Its obvious your deep into your beer time.. I just put $200 into this computer to bring it up to speed, I am not buying a new computer.. I only use The hp for video and photo work, 95% of my time is on my Transformer booted into Ubuntu.
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swan3609 said:
Its obvious your deep into your beer time.. I just put $200 into this computer to bring it up to speed, I am not buying a new computer.. I only use The hp for video and photo work, 95% of my time is on my Transformer booted into Ubuntu.
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Why would you spend $200 on something that's not going to be worth half that when you're done.
Shoot your computer it's lame.
itsbeertimenow said:
Why would you spend $200 on something that's not going to be worth half that when you're done.
Shoot your computer it's lame.
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How does that make any sense?
Anyhow, to the OP, couple of things:
1. If your copy of Windows isn't legit, get it legit. I remember I used to have problems on my laptop because I hadn't activated my Windows yet. Once I did, everything was gone.
2. What's your WEI for the graphic card? Maybe do a stress test and see how well it performs.
Well worth checking out whether the GPU has indeed gone bad. Run some tests and monitor temps too as it may be throttling. Don't forget that the age of that Laptop puts in within the period of time of the Nvidia 'Bumpgate' troubles, where their mobile GPU's were dying left and right because of a manufacturing defect.
http://semiaccurate.com/2010/07/11/why-nvidias-chips-are-defective/
kareeem said:
How does that make any sense?
Anyhow, to the OP, couple of things:
1. If your copy of Windows isn't legit, get it legit. I remember I used to have problems on my laptop because I hadn't activated my Windows yet. Once I did, everything was gone.
2. What's your WEI for the graphic card? Maybe do a stress test and see how well it performs.
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Windows is legitimate. I am a student and got w7 professional as a download with a valid product key.
I am not sure about my WEI. I will check it when I get back home. I believe that it was very high 5+ if I remember rightly. I will try testing the card this afternoon and see what is up.
I would be a sad dude if my gpu was bad. I am well out of my warranty
DirkGently said:
Well worth checking out whether the GPU has indeed gone bad. Run some tests and monitor temps too as it may be throttling. Don't forget that the age of that Laptop puts in within the period of time of the Nvidia 'Bumpgate' troubles, where their mobile GPU's were dying left and right because of a manufacturing defect.
http://semiaccurate.com/2010/07/11/why-nvidias-chips-are-defective/
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That sucks. I will check it out. What is the best stress testing application? I have a bad feeling about mine..
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Run rthdribl against it for a while:
http://downloadcenter24.com/video-and-dvd/rthdribl.html
it's a pretty little graphics demo that won't over-stress anything, but can give you some idea if your're GPU is unstable. Run GPU-Z at the same time to monitor temps and to see if the GPU is running at it's proper speed:
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/
I would use memtest, or the Windows 7 memory test, to check that your RAM is alright too.
http://www.memtest.org/
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/715-memory-diagnostics-tool.html
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Run rthdribl against it for a while:
http://downloadcenter24.com/video-and-dvd/rthdribl.html
it's a pretty little graphics demo that won't over-stress anything, but can give you some idea if your're GPU is unstable. Run GPU-Z at the same time to monitor temps and to see if the GPU is running at it's proper speed:
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/
I would use memtest, or the Windows 7 memory test, to check that your RAM is alright too.
http://www.memtest.org/
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/715-memory-diagnostics-tool.html
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thank you. My ram is fine. I just swapped for 8gb less than a month ago and it is just fine. I will run some tests on my gpu this afternoon. Thanks again.
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DirkGently said:
Run rthdribl against it for a while:
http://downloadcenter24.com/video-and-dvd/rthdribl.html
it's a pretty little graphics demo that won't over-stress anything, but can give you some idea if your're GPU is unstable. Run GPU-Z at the same time to monitor temps and to see if the GPU is running at it's proper speed:
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/
I would use memtest, or the Windows 7 memory test, to check that your RAM is alright too.
http://www.memtest.org/
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/715-memory-diagnostics-tool.html
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So I ran that applet and it ran just fine gpu around 75-80C and gpu load around 15-20% but premiere and online videos are killer. Not smooth at all.
So as soon as I load up premiere, the gpu maxes out the clock speeds which I assume is OK because it's getting used? It never shows the gpu load to go up though.
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If it's not crashy under load i think we can rule out a GPU failure. What's the CPU utilization while you're running Premier and Videos? Take a look in Task manager to see what it's doing.
It could just be something simple like a dodgy plug-in, or a driver that needs to be re-installed. If you haven't already to could try re-installing/updating the usual candidates. Graphics drivers/Flash/Siverlight/Browser/Sound.
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If it's not crashy under load i think we can rule out a GPU failure. What's the CPU utilization while you're running Premier and Videos? Take a look in Task manager to see what it's doing.
It could just be something simple like a dodgy plug-in, or a driver that needs to be re-installed. If you haven't already to could try re-installing/updating the usual candidates. Graphics drivers/Flash/Siverlight/Browser/Sound.
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Graphics driver is the most current Nvidia Driver, Flash is current, It happens on all browsers so I want to rule out Chrome, and what about sound could it be? I just figured that the sound uses the built in sounds card on my motherboard.. I assumed my windows updates took care of that..
Device Manager will tell you if there's any problems. Press Win Key+Pause/Break, Device Manager and look for any exclamation marks in yellow triangles.
I'd still be interested to see what the CPU is doing when the issues crop up.
Also, test your drive with HDTune:
http://www.hdtune.com/
It will help diagnose any drive errors.
DirkGently said:
Device Manager will tell you if there's any problems. Press Win Key+Pause/Break, Device Manager and look for any exclamation marks in yellow triangles.
I'd still be interested to see what the CPU is doing when the issues crop up.
Also, test your drive with HDTune:
http://www.hdtune.com/
It will help diagnose any drive errors.
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I will check but I am starting to rule out hardware, only because my ubuntu boot is very very fast. I have never had chrome or firefox slow down on me. So I am thinking about doing a clean wipe of my ssd and my hdd and see if that fixes it.
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swan3609 said:
I will check but I am starting to rule out hardware, only because my ubuntu boot is very very fast. I have never had chrome or firefox slow down on me. So I am thinking about doing a clean wipe of my ssd and my hdd and see if that fixes it.
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Everyone works their way around to a clean install eventually!
I used to tell people to start with doing that, as it ends up being the faster option after all the messing about, but then people always want to try every other possible option first. I've learned that it's best to let them come to that conclusion all on their own!
Good luck. Let us know if everything is ok afterwards.
I saw a lot of complaints about lags, when the memory is filled, etc.
As we know, ssd performance degrades as it gets filled, that's true, however, project butter is based on a lot of caching.
I would suggest to keep your storage at least 15% free, and more importantly, check the cache size of your favorite apps, especially after a big write operation, like downloaded a hd movie or installed a large game. These kind of operations tend to take space aggressively, leading to cache performance suffering. Just clear the cache if the cache is big.
I've been using chrome intensively for the past week (the first week with my n7), chrome had built >200mb cache already. I cleared it, now my n7 is like butter flying again.
i dont get where you get off saying that performance decreases when the SSD is filled up. I had my nexus 7 filled up almost to the max (16gb) and it didn't lag one bit. It's probably just the babies around here that like to complain everything that are experiencing the lag. what about the other two hundred and forty million people out there not complaining?
It has been proven that the lag exist and if you haven't experienced then good for u. Half of the people will never experience because not all of users will fill up space fully. Other half doesn't know about existence of this forum and lag thread etc.
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Foka002 said:
It has been proven that the lag exist and if you haven't experienced then good for u. Half of the people will never experience because not all of users will fill up space fully. Other half doesn't know about existence of this forum and lag thread etc.
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sure the lag exists... but he's saying it's due to storage issues. I personally don't think so; SSD do not lag, they might take .5 milli second to read through, but so what? we've become a generation of no patience. There must be some other issue regarding the lag that people are experiencing. I can almost 100% guarantee its not the SSD
Some apps collect memory when they run for long periods of time and start to hog the system down.
However, the main culprit in Android lag is the way it treats UI rendering. It has nothing to do with how much an ssd is filled.
Beards said:
Some apps collect memory when they run for long periods of time and start to hog the system down.
However, the main culprit in Android lag is the way it treats UI rendering. It has nothing to do with how much an ssd is filled.
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Project butter has triple caching for cpu, gpu, display. Ui rendering is gpu and display related, it needs caching too. Do you now where it's the cache from? It's part of ssd.
MRsf27 said:
i dont get where you get off saying that performance decreases when the SSD is filled up. I had my nexus 7 filled up almost to the max (16gb) and it didn't lag one bit. It's probably just the babies around here that like to complain everything that are experiencing the lag. what about the other two hundred and forty million people out there not complaining?
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You don't have the problem, which doesn't mean other people don't either.
Here is the lag thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=31647380
MRsf27 said:
sure the lag exists... but he's saying it's due to storage issues. I personally don't think so; SSD do not lag, they might take .5 milli second to read through, but so what? we've become a generation of no patience. There must be some other issue regarding the lag that people are experiencing. I can almost 100% guarantee its not the SSD
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Ssd cannot get that magic latency number all the time. It needs memory banks to increase throughput. It has to have enough space for memory banks, if there is not enough space left, the throughput and latency will suffer. This can explain some larger ssds are faster than smaller ones, with the same everything else.
angellsl said:
Ssd cannot get that magic latency number all the time. It needs memory banks to increase throughput. It has to have enough space for memory banks, if there is not enough space left, the throughput and latency will suffer. This can explain some larger ssds are faster than smaller ones, with the same everything else.
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I understand what you're saying, however, the speed at which a SSD will read is gonna be faster, regardless of these memory banks; I'm sure thats why when they release a 16gb version of a device and you only get 13gb, it has to be accounted for something. they do not have 3gb worth of worthless OS apps. i'm sure that's saved up storage for extra memory.
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I understand what you're saying, however, the speed at which a SSD will read is gonna be faster, regardless of these memory banks; I'm sure thats why when they release a 16gb version of a device and you only get 13gb, it has to be accounted for something. they do not have 3gb worth of worthless OS apps. i'm sure that's saved up storage for extra memory.
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Storage capacities mentioned by retails usually follow 1000MB = 1GB, whereas the true value is 1024MB = 1GB. This is one cause for lower then reported size available.
Another reason is, possibly, the space just isn't accessible. For example, I have a 500GB HDD. Only 465GB is usable. Regardless if the 500GB reported is 1000MB=1GB or 1024MB=1GB, 465GB is still falls short. And this is with a complete drive wipe too. My 80GB HDD also does this (74GB usable), and I'm almost certain 99% of storage media does this too (I have yet to see any storage device listed that has the exact amount of storage usable as specified on the box).
To further what I mentioned above, the storage chip used isn't as static with usable storage space when manufactured. What I mean is, one 16GB SSD chip might have a few MB difference on usable space then another 16GB chip of the same make. To compensate for this, and to keep a uniform device specification, the partition is just locked at 13GB usable.
I have a feeling storage media is just marked to what "nice" number it rounds to, regardless if it has that much or not (16GB = 20GB, 91GB = 100GB, etc.).
espionage724 said:
Storage capacities mentioned by retails usually follow 1000MB = 1GB, whereas the true value is 1024MB = 1GB. This is one cause for lower then reported size available.
Another reason is, possibly, the space just isn't accessible. For example, I have a 500GB HDD. Only 465GB is usable. Regardless if the 500GB reported is 1000MB=1GB or 1024MB=1GB, 465GB is still falls short. And this is with a complete drive wipe too. My 80GB HDD also does this (74GB usable), and I'm almost certain 99% of storage media does this too (I have yet to see any storage device listed that has the exact amount of storage usable as specified on the box).
To further what I mentioned above, the storage chip used isn't as static with usable storage space when manufactured. What I mean is, one 16GB SSD chip might have a few MB difference on usable space then another 16GB chip of the same make. To compensate for this, and to keep a uniform device specification, the partition is just locked at 13GB usable.
I have a feeling storage media is just marked to what "nice" number it rounds to, regardless if it has that much or not (16GB = 20GB, 91GB = 100GB, etc.).
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"usable" space. that unusable space must be used for something regardless if we can't access it.
MRsf27 said:
i dont get where you get off saying that performance decreases when the SSD is filled up. I had my nexus 7 filled up almost to the max (16gb) and it didn't lag one bit. It's probably just the babies around here that like to complain everything that are experiencing the lag. what about the other two hundred and forty million people out there not complaining?
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Complete and utter logic fail... Good job!
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angellsl said:
I saw a lot of complaints about lags, when the memory is filled, etc.
As we know, ssd performance degrades as it gets filled, that's true, however, project butter is based on a lot of caching.
I would suggest to keep your storage at least 15% free, and more importantly, check the cache size of your favorite apps, especially after a big write operation, like downloaded a hd movie or installed a large game. These kind of operations tend to take space aggressively, leading to cache performance suffering. Just clear the cache if the cache is big.
I've been using chrome intensively for the past week (the first week with my n7), chrome had built >200mb cache already. I cleared it, now my n7 is like butter flying again.
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i will second the OP's cache fix and say it worked for me as well. my Chrome cache was up to 144MB and reboots would not fix the constant lag, so i cleared the cache, rebooted, and it was back to blazing fast for me.
MRsf27 said:
sure the lag exists... but he's saying it's due to storage issues. I personally don't think so; SSD do not lag, they might take .5 milli second to read through, but so what? we've become a generation of no patience. There must be some other issue regarding the lag that people are experiencing. I can almost 100% guarantee its not the SSD
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You seem to be confusing the Nexus 7's emmc storage for a high speed ssd. It is only capable of ~15MBps read and write.
Depending on how cache is chunked (assuming it even is), it could easily cause the lag people are seeing.
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espionage724 said:
Storage capacities mentioned by retails usually follow 1000MB = 1GB, whereas the true value is 1024MB = 1GB. This is one cause for lower then reported size available.
Another reason is, possibly, the space just isn't accessible. For example, I have a 500GB HDD. Only 465GB is usable. Regardless if the 500GB reported is 1000MB=1GB or 1024MB=1GB, 465GB is still falls short. And this is with a complete drive wipe too. My 80GB HDD also does this (74GB usable), and I'm almost certain 99% of storage media does this too (I have yet to see any storage device listed that has the exact amount of storage usable as specified on the box).
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Actually, the term Gibibyte (GiB) is now used for 1024 values in storage - although you're right about it being due to manufacturers.
A 500GB hard drive will always be 465GB, you're right that 1GB = 1000MB, but you also need to take into account that 1MB = 1000KB and 1KB = 1000B.
If you do the sums, you'll find the exact difference is always 7% (by dividing 1 by 1. 024 three times) . Which is why you'll find 465 is 93% of 500, and the same for 74 of 80.
MRsf27 said:
sure the lag exists... but he's saying it's due to storage issues. I personally don't think so; SSD do not lag, they might take .5 milli second to read through, but so what? we've become a generation of no patience. There must be some other issue regarding the lag that people are experiencing. I can almost 100% guarantee its not the SSD
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It's because of certain apps which are running. When mine starts to lag, I clear caches and stop apps. Mine wouldn't lag before I installed a few new apps in the past couple weeks. could be news360 or pulse or flipboard. Could also be nexus 7 media importer. Mine never lagged before I installed any of those.
My lag had gotten bad. Androbench showed SQL speed in 1 or less. But I've found a workaround which really 1000% improves it. Running Francos kernel with fsync off...
Makes a HUGE difference for me in all apps. Especially Facebook and TiVo.
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BTW - Google now app loads instantly now. Took at least 10 seconds. Before. Same for Google chrome.
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Don't even bother filling. Encrypt and watch the speed drop to 1/10 on a blank fresh install. :/ deal breaker for me, unfortunately. I have to be able to encrypt and won't put up with a tablet that feels two years older than it is.
These are after encryption and before. Clean machine with 4.1.1 and everything killed. In a day with 2 or three things installed, the encrypted result halves.
Lag existence even if when i play a game like pool....
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have you guys seen the new samsung chromebook?
its got that Exynos 5 5250 A15 chip, an above 720 screen, SSD, no moving parts so no need for a fan (wont suffocate sitting on your bed), 2GB ram, bluetooth, USB 3.0, HDMI, 6.5 hour battery life @4080MAh battery, only 11.6 inches, 2.5 pounds, and .8in thick. things stylish too. its like a netbook on crack.. its only 249, i cant see any reason you wouldnt buy it.. oh wait.. it only runs chrome OS..
well i dont think you can put windows on this thing. maybe linux, but id rather talk about actually keeping the chrome OS.
i have a few questions, if anyone who actually owns one could fill me in.
can you use torrents on a chromebook?
can you locally store pictures/movies/music on here?
if so, is there an offline video player? can it play all kinds of video formats?
if i plug in a flashdrive, can i move files around? is there a file manager in this thing?
can chrome os play minecraft?
can anyone who owns one tell me a little more about these little guys? thanks fellas
soraxd said:
have you guys seen the new samsung chromebook?
its got that Exynos 5 5250 A15 chip, an above 720 screen, SSD, no moving parts so no need for a fan (wont suffocate sitting on your bed), 2GB ram, bluetooth, USB 3.0, HDMI, 6.5 hour battery life @4080MAh battery, only 11.6 inches, 2.5 pounds, and .8in thick. things stylish too. its like a netbook on crack.. its only 249, i cant see any reason you wouldnt buy it.. oh wait.. it only runs chrome OS..
well i dont think you can put windows on this thing. maybe linux, but id rather talk about actually keeping the chrome OS.
i have a few questions, if anyone who actually owns one could fill me in.
can you use torrents on a chromebook?
can you locally store pictures/movies/music on here?
if so, is there an offline video player? can it play all kinds of video formats?
if i plug in a flashdrive, can i move files around? is there a file manager in this thing?
can chrome os play minecraft?
can anyone who owns one tell me a little more about these little guys? thanks fellas
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I own a cr-48.
You can locally store pictures and music (idk about movies, never tried). It does have some (limited) offline capabilities, like offline gmail, calendar, drive (read only IIRC). There is a file manager.
As for the rest of your questions...I have no idea, I have a real PC for all that crap.
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Two Linux distributions: openSUSE and Ubuntu have been already ported to the new Chromebook. You can't run Windows because it doesn't support ARM chips. Well Windows 8 RT supports but you need to be Microsoft's hardware partner for that.
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soraxd said:
have you guys seen the new samsung chromebook?
its got that Exynos 5 5250 A15 chip, an above 720 screen, SSD, no moving parts so no need for a fan (wont suffocate sitting on your bed), 2GB ram, bluetooth, USB 3.0, HDMI, 6.5 hour battery life @4080MAh battery, only 11.6 inches, 2.5 pounds, and .8in thick. things stylish too. its like a netbook on crack.. its only 249, i cant see any reason you wouldnt buy it.. oh wait.. it only runs chrome OS..
well i dont think you can put windows on this thing. maybe linux, but id rather talk about actually keeping the chrome OS.
i have a few questions, if anyone who actually owns one could fill me in.
can you use torrents on a chromebook?
can you locally store pictures/movies/music on here?
if so, is there an offline video player? can it play all kinds of video formats?
if i plug in a flashdrive, can i move files around? is there a file manager in this thing?
can chrome os play minecraft?
can anyone who owns one tell me a little more about these little guys? thanks fellas
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Just purchased a Chromebook last night, have used it for probably 10 hours since and here's my rundown of it.
It is wonderfully fast, but what more can you expect from a linux system running an operating system based solely around the internet browser Chrome along with some perfectly functional "web apps". Now, by web apps I literally mean if you open an app on your taskbar at the bottom, it opens Chrome and goes to a website and performs as such. Think of it as a super fast epic computing system that works exactly as one would expect when Google presents an operating system.
IMO after 10 hours of use
Pros - Lightning fast, beautifully functional GUI; incredible and intuitive trackpad, takes 30 seconds to learn the strokes of it. there are no left and right buttons and it is a large pad (one finger click or tap selects, two finger click is a right click, click and hold with your forefinger and drag with your middle for selection and graphic movement, two finger drag to scroll down, up, left, or right. Its pretty awesome). Keyboard with separated keys so the lack of size is still spacious and not cluttered, because it isn't a windows keyboard there are no F1-F12 keys, windows keys, caps-lock, scroll-lock, delete, insert, pg up, pg dwn, so in short there is tons of saved space. MASSIVE selection of apps in general, like woah huge, and that's just the free ones. Once you link your google account to the pc you have over 160 gigs of storage on your google drive, as well as a 16 gb SSD that makes the performance kind of ridiculous, it boots in mere seconds, comes back from sleeping in the time it takes the monitor to come to life *which isn't long* and opens web pages faster than my PC. The wireless is a dual band (2.5 ghz and 5.0 ghz) b\g\n after a speed test it registered the peak speed of my connection through my Netgear N Dual band router. (30 meg down and 3.2 meg up, I have a screen shot, but I am a newb here so I cannot post it *which I understand not complaining just explaining* <3 ) The design is clean sleek, and odd. All the ports are in the back, which threw me back to old 2 inch think laptops, but it keeps the design very clean and easy to keep clean. lots of clean if you didn't notice the pattern. HDMI port, usb 3.0, usb 2.0. No fans, unless their silent, but I cannot hear ANYTHING its very quiet and manages to stay cool with no other visible ports other than the speakers. That's the odd part. It's really, wonderful. Oh, and I almost forgot (sorry I know this is going on forever I just wanted to make sure to be detailed) Chrome has a wonderful multi-device streamlined epic google machine. The Chrome that I use on my chromebook is the exact same browser that I'm using on my PC, other laptop, and HTC Evo3D. By that I mean same history *which isn't much because I'm usually incognito* same bookmarks, same apps.
The Perk about this is that it is a 100% fully functional and mobile device. It is ideal for businesses and students because it contains everything one needs to be productive and have fun in a VERY mobile device. It's the best new toy I've had for a while =)
Cons - Small, feels fragile. Some webpages have to be zoomed through the menu because the pages seem to be shrunk in some cases. Some apps available through the Chrome Web Store are not supported on the device yet, and without knowing until you install it, its a minor inconvenience. The customization is limited, its pretty much a what you see is what you get device. You can change the desktop background and the theme of Chrome but that's about it. There is no, like none at all, working and functional Spotify app for this, which is evil to me.
Overall 8 of 10, money well spent for sure.
Graphics - everything is low intensity for the most part so 8 of 10 cause its still crisp and beautiful, videos also look wonderful
Functionality - 10 out of 10. Period. Because Google.
Gaming - 2 of 10, that is not what this was built for, unless you like games on smartphone or flash than go for it.
Video - So far I've been able to play .mkv .avi and .mpeg4 videos fine. as for any other format I do not know. But with those three covered thats pretty much all of the digital movie formats. (I do not condone or endorse torrenting, and as far as I know it's not an option because you cannot INSTALL software, they are web based apps.)
Basically, as if I wasn't enough of one already Google has officially made me their fanboy, True story...
Yea, hope that helps. I know its lengthy but to me 249, is still 249. and therefore, well informed is better than going off of the very limited results on an actual review of this thing, I went and used it for about 20 minutes at best buy before I was too giddy to not own it. So yeah, my recommendation is get it, but only if you're not expecting a PC, cause that's NOT what this is.
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Edit : Battery is epic. 8 hours of battery life if you don't need your screen bright as the sun. 6 and a half on full brightness. (the eight hour estimate is based on the fact that I have had it unplugged and powered on for the better part of 5 hours and the estimated time on the battery right now is 3 hours 43 minutes. So yeah, epic.
Please use the existing computer thread for this type of discussion, thanks. Thread closed.