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Games are slower in HD7?

I happen to play games like Flight Control and Fruit Ninja on iPad, its fast on iPAD, but on HD7 it is some what delayed action, what could be the cause of such slow movement?

I have noticed this to, mainly in the menu of the game and when it first starts. I pulled out my 4th Gen iPod and my MT4G and it doesnt have that same hitch on those devices.

It's to do with the slow 16gb Class 2 SD Card that's been put in by HTC.
If you compare it to an Omnia 7 then you'll see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&v=5FztCFvST8s&annotation_id=annotation_979728
Note that boot times are the same but loading the actual game there's a noticeable difference.
I would assume the iPad uses NAND storage like the Omnia 7 and your MT4G has a higher class SD Card.

any solution ?
so there's nothing we can do, but to live with it ?

jtphl said:
so there's nothing we can do, but to live with it ?
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Change your SD card to a 16GB Class 6 card.

jtphl said:
so there's nothing we can do, but to live with it ?
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Officially no, hopefully future updates will work on increasing the speed (Although theoretically the omnia will always be faster).
Unofficially you can change the SD card but they don't all work.

are there any videos showing that changing to a higher class, specifically class 6 would lead to better game performance?
I got another question for WP7 that uses NAND memory, so in case the NAND memory is full, so it will use the inserted micro SD, will that also make game play as slow as our hd7?

I'm not really sure if it has anything to do with the Micro SD class type, since the game will be loaded into the RAM and processed from there.
Its faster on omnia 7, probably because it has a dedicated gpu that hd7 doesnt

Shu. said:
I'm not really sure if it has anything to do with the Micro SD class type, since the game will be loaded into the RAM and processed from there.
Its faster on omnia 7, probably because it has a dedicated gpu that hd7 doesnt
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What dedicated GPU is this? They all have the same processors, the QSD8250 and none of the specs say anything about an extra GPU chip.

Jonno2343 said:
What dedicated GPU is this? They all have the same processors, the QSD8250 and none of the specs say anything about an extra GPU chip.
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I was reading an article in here about omnia 7, and it mentions that: "Gameplay is more than adequately handled by the Omnia 7′s internal GPU"
Doesn't this means that omnia 7 has a dedicated GPU?

Shu. said:
I was reading an article in here about omnia 7, and it mentions that: "Gameplay is more than adequately handled by the Omnia 7′s internal GPU"
Doesn't this means that omnia 7 has a dedicated GPU?
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They're talking about the Adreno 200 GPU found inside the Qualcom Snapdragon QSD8250 which is found in all the Windows Phones. You can check some more info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor)#Current_.26_Future_Specifications
It's strange that the actual gameplay of the Omnia 7 is faster than the HD7 as once the content is loaded it should have the same performance.

Shu. said:
I'm not really sure if it has anything to do with the Micro SD class type, since the game will be loaded into the RAM and processed from there.
Its faster on omnia 7, probably because it has a dedicated gpu that hd7 doesnt
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Games are being loaded FROM that SD Card though.
It's like comparing loading speeds of a DVD on the Xbox to ripping it to the Hard Drive and playing it off there.

Jonno2343 said:
They're talking about the Adreno 200 GPU found inside the Qualcom Snapdragon QSD8250 which is found in all the Windows Phones. You can check some more info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor)#Current_.26_Future_Specifications
It's strange that the actual gameplay of the Omnia 7 is faster than the HD7 as once the content is loaded it should have the same performance.
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thanks for clarification, I didnt know that
brummiesteven said:
Games are being loaded FROM that SD Card though.
It's like comparing loading speeds of a DVD on the Xbox to ripping it to the Hard Drive and playing it off there.
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When you are playing the game, its already loaded into the RAM, so the SD-card shouldnt really affect the speed of the game-play

Shu. said:
When you are playing the game, its already loaded into the RAM, so the SD-card shouldnt really affect the speed of the game-play
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Exactly, it doesn't make sense that the Omnia is faster than the HD7 at playing games. Unless these games are loading content while the game is running? Maybe the different types of models for the different levels?

[Q] Enough is enough! How is it possible;

Today, a friend, called me to setup a new android phone for his wife. It was the cheap, very cheap, Alcatel Onetouch 908.
I transfered contacts, calendar events, configured emails and installed some apps from the market. The phone felt speedy, to be exact much more speedy than my Galaxy S and that started to bother me. What bothered me more was my friend, who has a Galaxy S II device. He told me out of the blue that alcatel felt speedier than his S II. I finished and 'take it for a walk'. I started sequently loading apps (browser, gmail, contants, market and talk) and then multitasked between them. The initial loading was almost immediate and, to my suprise, mutitasking was instant. My Galaxy felt like a second class device, my world shuttered... almost
I left my friend and I was angry, very angry. How could that be? I've tried numerous roms, customs and stock ones, with lagfixes enabled or disabled but, truth to be told, all of them felt like rubbish compared to an alcatel onet... I don't want to tell the evil's name!
Now, I am still angry but not with Alcatel,.. with Samsung! Am I wrong? What are your thoughts? Does anyone have an answer? Was just my imagination?

I don't suppose you have tried running 3D games on it?
knowledge is Power. Guard it well.

I did and it was fantastic... just kidding
No I didn't. But now you've said it, just for the laughs, next time I will be around, I'll try angry birds... if possible (although not a 3D game... I think)!

Ugliest thing ever seen on Internet
aaaaaaaaawwwwwwww, this is uglyyyyy, what an ugly phone, even if it had the speed of light, or even faster, the speed of thought or even much faster than those the speed of GOD, I would take the SGS anytime.
btw, try quadrant too, see if you get some noticable scores with it, if it's really worth your time, but if it was me, I wouldn't even set it up for a girl friend, let alone a friends girl.

well its the same story again u see a new android phone unused or if even used then used very very lightly(just calls,sms,have 10-25 apps. and all that) ! man any android pgone newly bought and used lightly can be very fast! i saw my friends galaxy ace on 2.2 bpught just 3 days ago and very lightly uaed and it was working like a lightning! if you want to see your phone this fast then flash stock jvs and you'll face lightning but as soon you get some apps in and start using it heavily youll start facing lags! download 100 apps. and do heavy multitasking on that alcatel for a week or so and youll start hating it and will throw it into a dustbin!
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You should try CyanogenMod 7 (CM7) out of the box (no apps/games installed).
It's just fast - the speed is nearly amazing. Same thing with MIUI.
And just forget stock-ROMs. You won't want to use them after you have tried an AOSP-ROM (CM7 or MIUI).

Lunchbox115 said:
You should try CyanogenMod 7 (CM7) out of the box (no apps/games installed).
It's just fast - the speed is nearly amazing. Same thing with MIUI.
And just forget stock-ROMs. You won't want to use them after you have tried an AOSP-ROM (CM7 or MIUI).
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Its not like that exactly but its very true both cm7 and minuit out of the box are amazing infraction I just installed 1.9.16 miui and it has just 7 apps. Installed and it's balzing fast ! But minuit has many problems of its own so I am moving back to Samsung based rom jetpack v5 spark very soon !
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Thanks for the replies...
-I've tried CM7: it was fast but... it didn't felt home. So I dished it and went back to the samsung related rom's!
-Yes, SGS is prettier than 908 but really it's not so ugly. After all, my post was about speed, not beauty.
-So, if I load alcatel with 100+ apps I will feel the pain you say. We'll see... But if it's true then I will be angry again, very angry... with Google!

Memory Management
The thing about multitasking is that is related mainly with memory and memory management. I think it's true, if enough free memory exists any os will keep more tasks active and multitask between them will be instant...
But android keeps loading and unloading apps, in the background, which I almost never use but consume memory.
Skype is the perfect example. When i do not need it, I am signing off skype and go straight back to my home screen... Of course, as we all know, skype persists and never exits. It's just sits there consuming memory and doing nothing. If I try to kill it, android will happily and immediately reload it. The only way really kill it, is to uninstall it, but is this a solution?
One more example? The facebook app or the friencaster app. Even if I disable every automatic refresh or log off from facebook some part of them will keep running and like skype I cannot kill it.
The essence of all this is that: I own a phone with 512 mb of ram assisted with a powerful, 1 GHz, CPU, much - much more than an alcatel OT 908 and this doesn't show. Maybe is the 100+ apps I've installed in my phone, maybe is android, maybe is a bug, maybe it's me whining. Whatever is it... it's wrong and yes, I'm starting feeling angry, very angry with... Google and Samsung

milro1970 said:
The thing about multitasking is that is related mainly with memory and memory management. I think it's true, if enough free memory exists any os will keep more tasks active and multitask between them will be instant...
But android keeps loading and unloading apps, in the background, which I almost never use but consume memory.
Skype is the perfect example. When i do not need it, I am signing off skype and go straight back to my home screen... Of course, as we all know, skype persists and never exits. It's just sits there consuming memory and doing nothing. If I try to kill it, android will happily and immediately reload it. The only way really kill it, is to uninstall it, but is this a solution?
One more example? The facebook app or the friencaster app. Even if I disable every automatic refresh or log off from facebook some part of them will keep running and like skype I cannot kill it.
The essence of all this is that: I own a phone with 512 mb of ram assisted with a powerful, 1 GHz, CPU, much - much more than an alcatel OT 908 and this doesn't show. Maybe is the 100+ apps I've installed in my phone, maybe is android, maybe is a bug, maybe it's me whining. Whatever is it... it's wrong and yes, I'm starting feeling angry, very angry with... Google and Samsung
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Assuming your phone is rooted there are apps that can disable or prevent other apps from starting and running in the background- android optimize and autostarts seem to work for me.
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Looking at the specs for the OneTouch, I am not surprised it is fast.
The 600mhz chip it is using is quite overpowered for what is effectively a featurephone. It is also supporting a much smaller, less advanced screen (256K colors, TFT) which frees up a LOT of cpu cycles for basic functions. This kind of speed while just being a phone is why feature phones aren't as dead as people keep assuming.
It is also running Froyo, which was made for this kind of phone and likely races on it, without having to worry about the sort of strains a Galaxy class smartphone puts on an OS.
Remember, if you install a slimmed down OS on a custom designed modern laptop, and ONLY install a handful of programs no doubt it will break speed records. However, to judge it against a fully loaded, professional install is like comparing apples and oranges.

milro1970 said:
I did and it was fantastic... just kidding
No I didn't. But now you've said it, just for the laughs, next time I will be around, I'll try angry birds... if possible (although not a 3D game... I think)!
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alcatel ot 908 runs NFS shift, NOVA, Gangstar, BIA2, Sandstorm, Sims3, Rackless Racing, GuerillaBob, dead space....runs 99% hd games that don't requires armv7 or 2.3
it's way better then most off QVGA android and all msm7201 and msm7225.... (hvga and qvga)
for that money...

Well I have to say.
Just bought this second hand SGS to test and compare with my Desire HD.
If I can be honest. Both have the same clock freq and specs seems the same, but the DHD (lets call it that way) is alot faster than the SGS.
I am amazed how long it takes to just open the camera. On the DHD the camera app opens in half a second I think.
Then sometimes you click on something and nothing happens making you think that you didn't click anything at all. On the DHD opening anything is instant.
I'm running Darky 10.22 so if someone knows if I need to change something to make this a faster thing please let me know.

the only advantage of the desire hd and the alcatel ot 908 (i own one of these and a desire S, very similar to the hd hardware-wise) is that out-o-the-box, they're configured almost perfectly for their respective OS version and hardware.. Samsung makes some very tough and cutting-edge hardware, but they've always been lagging behind software-wise (and still are to some extent, i know what i'm talking about here too : my main device is a note2 N7100 and my dev/test device is my old -but almost unbreakable even when I'm the one who opens it up to solder or repair sthg in it- galaxy s2 i9100... None of those were left "stock", they're both fitted with CM10-derivated ROMs (most of the time a ParanoidAndroid or some derivate), heavily customized and "after-market" optimized (thanks to all the good tips&tweaks found here at XDA ^^) just to remedy those problems.. Never for my life would I leave one of these stock (I run a stock firmware on a dual-boot on the SGS2, but that's only for entering USSD codes, as these usually won't work on CM7/9/10 ROMs)... And yet, they're both way better when they're still "stock" than the Wave 1 was, with his powerful 1GHz Snapdragon CPU, but a puny 512Mb RAM -shared with the OS/CPU and GPU at that, leaving a mere 312Mb -give or take- to the poor user.. Far too low for its memory-hungry Bada OS,even in its latest and last 2.X versions.. I couldn't even open a second page in its Dolphin browser before it started shutting down background apps and closing widgets.. :s).
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milro1970 said:
Thanks for the replies...
-I've tried CM7: it was fast but... it didn't felt home. So I dished it and went back to the samsung related rom's!
-Yes, SGS is prettier than 908 but really it's not so ugly. After all, my post was about speed, not beauty.
-So, if I load alcatel with 100+ apps I will feel the pain you say. We'll see... But if it's true then I will be angry again, very angry... with Google!
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you won't be able to load that many apps on it m8... ^^
even with a big-ass 32Gb SD card, its /system and /data partitions are way too tiny for this number.. trust me, I've tried it, it choked at 20-30 tops for "average" apps (between 1 and 4Mb each)...

[Q] Buying HD7?

Dear HTC HD7 users,
I'm on the verge of buying another phone. I'm currently owning a Samsung Captivate. I've had this telephone for 9 months, but it is getting on my nerves. I have to reset my phone every 2 weeks and sometimes even each week. My power button is broken and my speaker doesn't work well. I'm getting sick of Android's lags and force closes on this phone.
I was very pleased to see WP 7.5 Mango and it's smoothness. I have some questions:
- Is WP7.5 really that stable and smooth on the HD7?
- How is the HD7 itself?
- Have you encountered any problems regarding the phone?
- Was WP7.5 much of an improvement compared to WP7.0?
- Is the HD7 S better than the HD7?
- People who own this phone 9+ months, are you still happy with it and haven't you experienced any issues so far?
- Finally: Could you please tell me why I should buy this phone instead of buying another Android phone?
Thanks for reading!

JigsterNL said:
Dear HTC HD7 users,
I'm on the verge of buying another phone. I'm currently owning a Samsung Captivate. I've had this telephone for 9 months, but it is getting on my nerves. I have to reset my phone every 2 weeks and sometimes even each week. My power button is broken and my speaker doesn't work well. I'm getting sick of Android's lags and force closes on this phone.
I was very pleased to see WP 7.5 Mango and it's smoothness. I have some questions:
- Is WP7.5 really that stable and smooth on the HD7?
- How is the HD7 itself?
- Have you encountered any problems regarding the phone?
- Was WP7.5 much of an improvement compared to WP7.0?
- Is the HD7 S better than the HD7?
- People who own this phone 9+ months, are you still happy with it and haven't you experienced any issues so far?
- Finally: Could you please tell me why I should buy this phone instead of buying another Android phone?
Thanks for reading!
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1. Yes stable and smooth, even faster after installing Mango (7.5)
2. HD7 looks nice and slim, though the hardware buttons can be improved (a bit flushed, not easy to press). Camera is just ok and not the best
3. No problems so far
4. Yes, WP7.5 is so much better, features and functionality wise (>500!).
5. I believe HD7s has better screen (SLCD vs LCD)
6. Yup, still very happy with the phone, esp now that it was updated to Mango.
7. Smooth, radical UI, live tiles, not laggy (unless u buy the latest high end droids), People hub (all contacts info taken from FB, LinkedIn and Windows Live and see updates per contact or everyone's social updates that u can switch between Twitter and FB feeds), Messaging (U can quickly switch between FB Chat, Windows Live and Texting for each contact on one conversation), Music Hub, X box live, 25Gig free SkyDrive, and not app-centric (as mentioned, mostly integrated so you dont need to open seperate apps to view diff contents). Cheap as well since this is a 1st gen model.
I suggest looking at HTC Titan in case you have more budget: better screen (competitive with super amoled+), has FFC, faster processor, slimmer and better build.

I've swapped over temporarily from the gs2 to see how windows phone 7 feels. Before that, I owned an iphone 4. (I'm trying to familiarize myself with the different phone platforms) The GS2 and IP4 were a true joy to use. I personally preferred the Gs2 for its "openess". One example that comes to mind is when I was looking for an ereader that could read my ebooks to me. On the IP4, this was only accomplished by turning on the accessibility option for blind users. Unfortunately, this also removed all the ease of use associated with IOS. The voice was also very robotic and was unbearable to listen to. On my android device I simply installed an ereader that used the built in tts service. It allowed me to control voice reading right from inside the app. Lastly i could just go to the market and find a replacement voice for the text to speech service. I really missed the high res screen from the iphone 4 though .
ANYWAY back on topic, I really, really, really like windows phone 7 operating system . The layout, dialer, keyboard, and apps just shine. Everything is easy to access and looks great too. However (and this is a BIG however), the os lacks apps. Its got a few gems but no where near as many as you might be used to. If you are looking for a phone that is a true joy to use for calling, texting, surfing the web, connecting on social sites, and maybe playing a few games then I think this is the OS for you.
But, I can't in good conscience recommend the HD7. Keep in mind that the 2nd generation windows phones are just around the corner. The HD7, I've found, has sub-par battery life and a poor camera. To give you an idea of battery life, your captivate supports up to 10 hours of talk time while this phone does 6.
Hopefully, this aids you in your decision making process.

Thanks for the replies, this has definitely gotten more interesting. I know the 2nd generation WP7.5 are around the corner,but I really want a HTC and I saw on phonearena that the hd7 was very high rated. The Titan looks amazing, but this would be my first time trying a Windows Phone and I if I don't like it, I would've paid too much money. Ive bought my captivate in March and it would be over the top to buy 2 new phones in a year, as in spending that much money on just a phone.
My captivate's battery life is horrible I even switched batteries and still I have to charge my phone twice a day,it is a real pain. I really don't care that much about a camera. I know the WP Marketplace hasn't got many apps yet,but I'm not a person who needs 100 apps on his phone. I know WP is a new kind of OS and I have patience with it.
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I love my HD7, had it for a year now and have no gripes at all about it.
Just wish it was a 4G phone and not limited to 3G.

NachoNut said:
I love my HD7, had it for a year now and have no gripes at all about it.
Just wish it was a 4G phone and not limited to 3G.
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But it is able to use 3.5g/HSDPA,right?
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It is a Good phone if you just wanna try out WP7
Other wise the main problem you will find is the battery life which wont last even 12 hours if you are a heavy user and its a heavy phone which you will notice if you use it for long periods
If you have used android you will love Wp7 as you can do almost all things faster in Wp7 then you did on android.
WP7 is the best for email and social apps
The good thing is that WP7 comes with almost most of your social apps (facebook twitter etc built in) and you will find most apps u need in market place (although its still a long way from android or IOS marketplace)
I kinda hover between the SGS2 and HD7 but use more SGS2 cause the battery dont last on the HD7 and I find google products more useful (maps, google plus, translate etc) then bing then WP7 offerings.
Probably might go for a Nokia WP7 next year as Dual core is touted for Wp7 next year and I really need a good camera phone like the SGS2.

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But it is able to use 3.5g/HSDPA,right?
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Not that I know of... Haven't seen anything other than 3G on mine
I ran a few bandwidth tests.. Getting on average 1.5ish Mbps (which is about 187.5 KB/s). Does that sound like i'm getting better than 3G?

NachoNut said:
Not that I know of... Haven't seen anything other than 3G on mine
I ran a few bandwidth tests.. Getting on average 1.5ish Mbps (which is about 187.5 KB/s). Does that sound like i'm getting better than 3G?
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Speed test on T-Mobile 3G using my HD7, tethered to my laptop via USB, on speedtest.net. Location was Seattle, WA, indoors but with 5 (max) bars. Multiple locations within about 200 miles were tested, each a few times:
Average download: ~5.0 Mbps (+/- 0.3 Mbps).
Average upload: 2.1 Mbps (+/- 0.2 Mbs).
It's not 4G, but it's a quite solid 3G. I can easily stream Zune Pass music or watch 480p (resolution of the phone, no point going higher) YouTube videos. In a pinch, it works fine for tethering too (slower download but actually faster upload than my home DSL).

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YouTube videos. In a pinch, it works fine for tethering too (slower download but actually faster upload than my home DSL).
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Some of the HD videos look phenomenal on this phone.

I sent my Samsung Captivate for repair to the USA, after I received it, I'm going to buy the HD7 (I can get money for my captivate at Vodafone ) or the HTC Titan if I can find it cheap(not going to happen I think....)

Some points-
1. I had the hd7 for a year and I dont have a single complaint.(I was a Windows Mobile user, X1) and that says a lot about the OS.
2. Everything U did on Android, now will be 3x as fast.
3. like someone mentioned, the mails and office work happens in a blink
4. Music UI is mind blowing. It couldn't get better
5. Battery life, yes. This area needs a little work. But again, hey, its a smartphone and it's worth it. Charging it twice a day will be a ritual.
6. Don't even want to mention the camera. Its mediocre... :[
7. Social networking is beautifully integrated.
8. Screen resolution, yes, can't compare it with SAMOLEDs and AMOLEDs...u will be disappointed.
9. Live tiles rock. Buti have started to miss having the wallpapers in the background.
10. Dual cores, quad cores etc is all a myth. WP7 so smoothly without them, I don't know what will happen when we get 1
Currently, I am eyeing the Droid Razr...the Droid imagery is far too powerful for me to ignore it...but that doesn't mean I will ditch my WP7...
Now its upto U...wait foe the Nokia WP7...its amazing...front facing camera is a miss in HD7...

2 times a day battery life? On my battery thing it says
"last charge 1 day ago,"
"Time left on batter 1 day 3 hrs."
How is the battery so bad? Also I agree at first I didn't like it because of how closed it was but after playing with it for a while it does everything pretty easily and smoothly. I also like how slacker is able to be paused/skip through the lockscreen ...although ban/like and the artist picture would have been a nice addition.

So the resolution isn't that good ?

I just got mine today, second hand via Marktplaats.nl (dutch ebay), and i think the resolution is very good! its an upgrade from an htc wizard with a qvga screen, so yeah, but i like it. you can come take a look at it, depending on where you live

I bought my HD7 the first month it was available. This summer I picked up a Sensation 4g. Both are on TMOUS. I rooted and flashed dozens of custom roms to my Sensation.
My wife now uses my Sensation and I am happy to be using my HD7. I have flashed a custom rom onto it, but that wasn't necessary. I just like doing it. The phone runs super fast. I don't even miss my 4g. All that did was help me hit my soft data cap faster so I would be throttled.
If you're worried about battery life, pick up an Ankor 1350mah replacement. It bumped my battery life between 25-50%. The stock battery from HTC is crap.

this new samsung chromebook is looking awfully tempting

have you guys seen the new samsung chromebook?
its got that Exynos 5 5250 A15 chip, an above 720 screen, SSD, no moving parts so no need for a fan (wont suffocate sitting on your bed), 2GB ram, bluetooth, USB 3.0, HDMI, 6.5 hour battery life @4080MAh battery, only 11.6 inches, 2.5 pounds, and .8in thick. things stylish too. its like a netbook on crack.. its only 249, i cant see any reason you wouldnt buy it.. oh wait.. it only runs chrome OS..
well i dont think you can put windows on this thing. maybe linux, but id rather talk about actually keeping the chrome OS.
i have a few questions, if anyone who actually owns one could fill me in.
can you use torrents on a chromebook?
can you locally store pictures/movies/music on here?
if so, is there an offline video player? can it play all kinds of video formats?
if i plug in a flashdrive, can i move files around? is there a file manager in this thing?
can chrome os play minecraft?
can anyone who owns one tell me a little more about these little guys? thanks fellas

soraxd said:
have you guys seen the new samsung chromebook?
its got that Exynos 5 5250 A15 chip, an above 720 screen, SSD, no moving parts so no need for a fan (wont suffocate sitting on your bed), 2GB ram, bluetooth, USB 3.0, HDMI, 6.5 hour battery life @4080MAh battery, only 11.6 inches, 2.5 pounds, and .8in thick. things stylish too. its like a netbook on crack.. its only 249, i cant see any reason you wouldnt buy it.. oh wait.. it only runs chrome OS..
well i dont think you can put windows on this thing. maybe linux, but id rather talk about actually keeping the chrome OS.
i have a few questions, if anyone who actually owns one could fill me in.
can you use torrents on a chromebook?
can you locally store pictures/movies/music on here?
if so, is there an offline video player? can it play all kinds of video formats?
if i plug in a flashdrive, can i move files around? is there a file manager in this thing?
can chrome os play minecraft?
can anyone who owns one tell me a little more about these little guys? thanks fellas
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I own a cr-48.
You can locally store pictures and music (idk about movies, never tried). It does have some (limited) offline capabilities, like offline gmail, calendar, drive (read only IIRC). There is a file manager.
As for the rest of your questions...I have no idea, I have a real PC for all that crap.
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Two Linux distributions: openSUSE and Ubuntu have been already ported to the new Chromebook. You can't run Windows because it doesn't support ARM chips. Well Windows 8 RT supports but you need to be Microsoft's hardware partner for that.
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soraxd said:
have you guys seen the new samsung chromebook?
its got that Exynos 5 5250 A15 chip, an above 720 screen, SSD, no moving parts so no need for a fan (wont suffocate sitting on your bed), 2GB ram, bluetooth, USB 3.0, HDMI, 6.5 hour battery life @4080MAh battery, only 11.6 inches, 2.5 pounds, and .8in thick. things stylish too. its like a netbook on crack.. its only 249, i cant see any reason you wouldnt buy it.. oh wait.. it only runs chrome OS..
well i dont think you can put windows on this thing. maybe linux, but id rather talk about actually keeping the chrome OS.
i have a few questions, if anyone who actually owns one could fill me in.
can you use torrents on a chromebook?
can you locally store pictures/movies/music on here?
if so, is there an offline video player? can it play all kinds of video formats?
if i plug in a flashdrive, can i move files around? is there a file manager in this thing?
can chrome os play minecraft?
can anyone who owns one tell me a little more about these little guys? thanks fellas
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Just purchased a Chromebook last night, have used it for probably 10 hours since and here's my rundown of it.
It is wonderfully fast, but what more can you expect from a linux system running an operating system based solely around the internet browser Chrome along with some perfectly functional "web apps". Now, by web apps I literally mean if you open an app on your taskbar at the bottom, it opens Chrome and goes to a website and performs as such. Think of it as a super fast epic computing system that works exactly as one would expect when Google presents an operating system.
IMO after 10 hours of use
Pros - Lightning fast, beautifully functional GUI; incredible and intuitive trackpad, takes 30 seconds to learn the strokes of it. there are no left and right buttons and it is a large pad (one finger click or tap selects, two finger click is a right click, click and hold with your forefinger and drag with your middle for selection and graphic movement, two finger drag to scroll down, up, left, or right. Its pretty awesome). Keyboard with separated keys so the lack of size is still spacious and not cluttered, because it isn't a windows keyboard there are no F1-F12 keys, windows keys, caps-lock, scroll-lock, delete, insert, pg up, pg dwn, so in short there is tons of saved space. MASSIVE selection of apps in general, like woah huge, and that's just the free ones. Once you link your google account to the pc you have over 160 gigs of storage on your google drive, as well as a 16 gb SSD that makes the performance kind of ridiculous, it boots in mere seconds, comes back from sleeping in the time it takes the monitor to come to life *which isn't long* and opens web pages faster than my PC. The wireless is a dual band (2.5 ghz and 5.0 ghz) b\g\n after a speed test it registered the peak speed of my connection through my Netgear N Dual band router. (30 meg down and 3.2 meg up, I have a screen shot, but I am a newb here so I cannot post it *which I understand not complaining just explaining* <3 ) The design is clean sleek, and odd. All the ports are in the back, which threw me back to old 2 inch think laptops, but it keeps the design very clean and easy to keep clean. lots of clean if you didn't notice the pattern. HDMI port, usb 3.0, usb 2.0. No fans, unless their silent, but I cannot hear ANYTHING its very quiet and manages to stay cool with no other visible ports other than the speakers. That's the odd part. It's really, wonderful. Oh, and I almost forgot (sorry I know this is going on forever I just wanted to make sure to be detailed) Chrome has a wonderful multi-device streamlined epic google machine. The Chrome that I use on my chromebook is the exact same browser that I'm using on my PC, other laptop, and HTC Evo3D. By that I mean same history *which isn't much because I'm usually incognito* same bookmarks, same apps.
The Perk about this is that it is a 100% fully functional and mobile device. It is ideal for businesses and students because it contains everything one needs to be productive and have fun in a VERY mobile device. It's the best new toy I've had for a while =)
Cons - Small, feels fragile. Some webpages have to be zoomed through the menu because the pages seem to be shrunk in some cases. Some apps available through the Chrome Web Store are not supported on the device yet, and without knowing until you install it, its a minor inconvenience. The customization is limited, its pretty much a what you see is what you get device. You can change the desktop background and the theme of Chrome but that's about it. There is no, like none at all, working and functional Spotify app for this, which is evil to me.
Overall 8 of 10, money well spent for sure.
Graphics - everything is low intensity for the most part so 8 of 10 cause its still crisp and beautiful, videos also look wonderful
Functionality - 10 out of 10. Period. Because Google.
Gaming - 2 of 10, that is not what this was built for, unless you like games on smartphone or flash than go for it.
Video - So far I've been able to play .mkv .avi and .mpeg4 videos fine. as for any other format I do not know. But with those three covered thats pretty much all of the digital movie formats. (I do not condone or endorse torrenting, and as far as I know it's not an option because you cannot INSTALL software, they are web based apps.)
Basically, as if I wasn't enough of one already Google has officially made me their fanboy, True story...
Yea, hope that helps. I know its lengthy but to me 249, is still 249. and therefore, well informed is better than going off of the very limited results on an actual review of this thing, I went and used it for about 20 minutes at best buy before I was too giddy to not own it. So yeah, my recommendation is get it, but only if you're not expecting a PC, cause that's NOT what this is.
:good::good::good::good:
Edit : Battery is epic. 8 hours of battery life if you don't need your screen bright as the sun. 6 and a half on full brightness. (the eight hour estimate is based on the fact that I have had it unplugged and powered on for the better part of 5 hours and the estimated time on the battery right now is 3 hours 43 minutes. So yeah, epic.

Please use the existing computer thread for this type of discussion, thanks. Thread closed.

Galaxy Tab S2 Problems

Hello,
I got the Tab S2 8 inch or WiFi only model - SM-T710 on launch day.
I was really excited for this since I was upgrading from an iPad 4, which felt slow.
However, I was disappointed with many things :
1. Most Apps are not tablet optimized.
2. Asphalt 8 tends to lag, although I never noticed this with my iPad.
3. Only 1GB of the 3GB RAM seems to be available most of the time.
4. The play store won't let me access the US play store from outside the US.
5. Part of the Tablet feels hot after light usage.
Can rooting my device help with the above mentioned problems?
How can I fix these problems? Normally I would have done these myself but since I'm completely new to Android I wanted to ask. I've been using iOS since 5 years and I've never had any problems like these. I'm also a fan of iOS jailbreak, tweaks, etc..
One more doubt : Is there a chance that the Tab S2 will get the Android M update?
Thanks,
Trix

Trix123 said:
Hello,
I got the Tab S2 8 inch or WiFi only model - SM-T710 on launch day.
I was really excited for this since I was upgrading from an iPad 4, which felt slow.
However, I was disappointed with many things :
1. Most Apps are not tablet optimized.
2. Asphalt 8 tends to lag, although I never noticed this with my iPad.
3. Only 1GB of the 3GB RAM seems to be available most of the time.
4. The play store won't let me access the US play store from outside the US.
5. Part of the Tablet feels hot after light usage.
Can rooting my device help with the above mentioned problems?
How can I fix these problems? Normally I would have done these myself but since I'm completely new to Android I wanted to ask. I've been using iOS since 5 years and I've never had any problems like these. I'm also a fan of iOS jailbreak, tweaks, etc..
One more doubt : Is there a chance that the Tab S2 will get the Android M update?
Thanks,
Trix
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1. No issues on my s1
2. Can't help with that, don't play games
3. Perfectly normal on an Android device, Android doesn't waste ram, it uses it to make your device faster.
4. You probably need to load the firmware for your region.
5. Same as the s1

Trix123 said:
Hello,
I got the Tab S2 8 inch or WiFi only model - SM-T710 on launch day.
I was really excited for this since I was upgrading from an iPad 4, which felt slow.
However, I was disappointed with many things :
1. Most Apps are not tablet optimized.
2. Asphalt 8 tends to lag, although I never noticed this with my iPad.
3. Only 1GB of the 3GB RAM seems to be available most of the time.
4. The play store won't let me access the US play store from outside the US.
5. Part of the Tablet feels hot after light usage.
Can rooting my device help with the above mentioned problems?
How can I fix these problems? Normally I would have done these myself but since I'm completely new to Android I wanted to ask. I've been using iOS since 5 years and I've never had any problems like these. I'm also a fan of iOS jailbreak, tweaks, etc..
One more doubt : Is there a chance that the Tab S2 will get the Android M update?
Thanks,
Trix
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1. Unfortunately, that is going to be a common thing with Android. Google built scalable interface based off the resolution, which makes apps run on tablets. As opposed to the iPad, there isn't a scalable interface feature but instead it uses upscaling, which makes apps very large and blurry.
In addition to that, Apple forces the default settings of the app store search to only show iPad only apps. This means, if you didn't update your app to support tablet interfaces manually, you wouldn't show up on the default search. This pretty much *forced* all of the developers to update their apps, if they wanted it to be seen of course.
But, since Android scales all of this natively the developers are lazy and simply do not update their apps for tablet interfaces as much as iOS.
2. The Tab S2 is a very powerful tablet, but if you're comparing it to the Ipad Air 2 there's going to be no comparison on how the iPad is much stronger. The processer on the iPad is more powerful than some computers people have at home. However, Android really is not a gaming platform, it is more of a productivity platform. There are way more games on iOS than Android, so if you're into gaming (on mobile) stick with iOS. Both platforms have hardware that is compeltely overkill than what most of the gaming apps actually require.
3. That honestly is no different than the iPAD, the amount of memory free should not be a concern unless apps are closing more often than you would like. Keep in mind that iOS struggles with memory as well, you can browse the internet and minimize the app and come back and it will reload the entire page, losing the spot you were scrolled to. On Android, it actually remembers the last spot you were at, simply because it has better memory management.
Keep in mind tablets are solid state, with incredibly fast read and write speeds. Ram can actually become irrelvant, because it can simply page the memory to the solid state drive and it would be effectively the same speed as real ram; you could actually get away with running with 1GB of ram easily. It's just that there is a limited amount of read and writes to a solid state drive, so they still use dedicated RAM to extend the lifespan since it is cheaper than solid state drives in general.
4. You can use a VPN to bypass that restriction.
5. Both the Ipad and S2 will got hot if you try to game on it, these devices don't even have fans in them so I don't know what you are expecting.
With that being said, I much prefer Android over IOS. When I use my iPAD, I've pretty much given up searching for an app because it simply did not exist with such restricted permissions on the iOS platform. With Android, I can customize my tablet to my liking, and I really like the keyboard support on it; it is much better than Apple in that regard.
I own both tablets and I use the Android far more, both have their cons and advantages. But for me, I don't like mobile games, I find them too simple. Thats why I love Android because I can emulate all consoles up to PSP/DS ERA.

Brittany_Menton said:
Keep in mind tablets are solid state, with incredibly fast read and write speeds. Ram can actually become irrelvant, because it can simply page the memory to the solid state drive and it would be effectively the same speed as real ram; you could actually get away with running with 1GB of ram easily. It's just that there is a limited amount of read and writes to a solid state drive, so they still use dedicated RAM to extend the lifespan since it is cheaper than solid state drives in general.
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The read/write speeds of ss flash memory is nowhere near as fast as ram.
The Tab s and s2 both have very fast ram.
If manufacturers relied on flash memory for caching and system read/writes with today's fast cpu's the system would bottle neck and crawl.
Fast cpu's need much faster memory to keep up and run smoothly.
Run some benchmarks and you will see the difference.

ashyx said:
The read/write speeds of ss flash memory is nowhere near as fast as ram.
The Tab s and s2 both have very fast ram.
If manufacturers relied on flash memory for caching and system read/writes with today's fast cpu's the system would bottle neck and crawl.
Fast cpu's need much faster memory to keep up and run smoothly.
Run some benchmarks and you will see the difference.
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Yes, there is no question that RAM is much faster, but if you're comparing it to normal usage most people wouldn't see the difference. The Surface Pro 3 64GB edition runs off 2GB of RAM and constantly runs at 90% peak memory and ironically performs just as fast as the 4GB version simply because the solid state has such a high read and write speed.
To a certain extent, all tablets page to the harddrive. As far as I know, there aren't many flagship android models that feature like huge amounts of super speed ram.
When you're comparing it to "much faster", say if you are travelling 500mph and you could go 1200mph, but you already get to your destination in less than a second so for the average user, they probably wouldn't even notice the difference.

I suggest you do more research on it.

ashyx said:
I suggest you do more research on it.
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The average user is not going to notice their device is faster if the device is perfectly capable of loading basic tasks such as websites at reasonable speeds.

Trix123 said:
Hello,
I got the Tab S2 8 inch or WiFi only model - SM-T710 on launch day.
I was really excited for this since I was upgrading from an iPad 4, which felt slow.
However, I was disappointed with many things :
1. Most Apps are not tablet optimized.
2. Asphalt 8 tends to lag, although I never noticed this with my iPad.
3. Only 1GB of the 3GB RAM seems to be available most of the time.
4. The play store won't let me access the US play store from outside the US.
5. Part of the Tablet feels hot after light usage.
Can rooting my device help with the above mentioned problems?
How can I fix these problems? Normally I would have done these myself but since I'm completely new to Android I wanted to ask. I've been using iOS since 5 years and I've never had any problems like these. I'm also a fan of iOS jailbreak, tweaks, etc..
One more doubt : Is there a chance that the Tab S2 will get the Android M update?
Thanks,
Trix
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1) Yup that is android sadly there. Though more are coming out with tablet versions of the software... FINALLY!
2) I haven't noticed that myself on the device as I do play that game as well
3) As long as it free's it up, there is no issues with having ram used. It will dump memory as needed if apps require more. Typically most apps don't require that much ram so no issues.
4) Thats just a country/region issue with the device ID. If rooted you can fix it at least. I travel and when outside the US the store is still US to me.
5) Most devices are like this. Gaming will make it hotter as well, but that goes for Android to Apple as well. Now, this device is cooler than previous ones I've had under heavy gaming and light usage gets a little warm.
As for the new OS, we can assume so, but since its a little ways off it might take time still for it to "Officially" come to the tablets.

I just bought mine yesterday and one feature under the settings was missing... there's no user under the device the options only are:
-sounds and notif
-display
-motion and gestures
-applications
there is no user. also in the notification panel there is no manage user.. can somebody help me plsss.. thanks in advance!

Tab S2 problem
Hey guys, hopefully someone here can point me in the right direction. Looks like i got screwed with my Tab S2. I bought a 9.7" cellular version from someone on Kijiji (Equivalent to Craigslist in Canada) and it was working just fine. I installed some apps and was just playing around with it. About two days later it started freezing and restarting when i would play a game or watch a video. Since then it has gotten progressively worse. I boot it up and 30 seconds to a minute later it turns off on its own. I thought it may be a software issue so i did a hard reset but the problem still persists. I took it into a Samsung repair center and they said that it is a pre-production model (IMEI is 00000000000000) and they cannot help. Any ideas what i can do to repair it. I just hate the idea of having a $400 paper weight.

egogz said:
Hey guys, hopefully someone here can point me in the right direction. Looks like i got screwed with my Tab S2. I bought a 9.7" cellular version from someone on Kijiji (Equivalent to Craigslist in Canada) and it was working just fine. I installed some apps and was just playing around with it. About two days later it started freezing and restarting when i would play a game or watch a video. Since then it has gotten progressively worse. I boot it up and 30 seconds to a minute later it turns off on its own. I thought it may be a software issue so i did a hard reset but the problem still persists. I took it into a Samsung repair center and they said that it is a pre-production model (IMEI is 00000000000000) and they cannot help. Any ideas what i can do to repair it. I just hate the idea of having a $400 paper weight.[/QUOTE
Hi did you buy it brand new (in a sealed box)? Maybe i got a solution for you
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Anyone experienced these probs?
Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 9.7 Problems/Issues
Model#: SM-T815Y
Android Version: 5.0.2 (latest)
1. random hanging 3x-10x/day depends on usage.
problem: hanging that leads to black display screen
solution: soft reset -> press the power button+volume down for atleast 10secs
or until boot up screen shows up.
1a. random hanging usually happens
-when downloading or opening something in the Playstore.
-exploring the settings of the gadget.
NOTE: I noticed that it happens frequently when clicking/using apps
that is related to its Internal Memory.(eg. problem#2)
2. Calculating the Size of the Applications
problem 1: it keeps saying computing even after 30mins of leaving the screen.
solution: unmount sd card>remove sd card>insert sd card.
problem 2: can't clear cache of an application.
solution: need to restart the gadget for it to take effect.
3. Auto Restart then it didn't boot up properly. It only stayed in Samsung Screen.
CONCLUSION: it's not normal to have these kind of problems 3gb of RAM,32gb of internal memory, up to date updates.
: very few widgets are activated, very few downloaded apps installed.
: strongly convinced that the cause of problem is its hardware specifically its internal memory.