Why can we check for updates once every 24 hours? - Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Title! Coming from symbian we could check for updates whenever we wanted to.
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why cant we tether with at&t? why have they moved their data down to 2gb from 5? why do we have at&t programs that we are not supposed to uninstall? how come every time i go into at&t and ask about 2.2 and they tell me samsung reps say next week? (that's been for 4 weeks now).
REASON:
AT&T likes to piss us off.....
At least that's the only plausible reason I can think of....

Real answer: ATT loves the iphone, and only the iphone.

Because the Android update goes through AT&T servers and they don't want to get hammered? I think it's dumb sure - but it is one of the few smart things AT&T has done.
The iPhone uses iLuserTunes which goes through Apple's network for pushing updates etc..

I renamed /dbdata/databases/wssdmdatabase.db and rebooted and was able to try to d/l again. The file was then recreated.
YMMV you brick it, you did it.

Also does fota use our data or is it like" free"
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...you guys didnt read many of the update threads I guess? If you go into your date settings and move the date up a day, it will allow you to check again.

rsx19 said:
Title! Coming from symbian we could check for updates whenever we wanted to.
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Uhhhh, its because they don't want everyone at the same time downloading android to crash their servers, I figured that one was pretty self explanatory, and the reason the att store reps keep telling you the wrong date is.... BECAUSE THEY DONT KNOW. ATT store reps are not kept in the loop about ANYTHING. They don't know when phones will be released, they dont know when their shipments are coming in, so how would they know when a company is gonna release 2.2 when we cant even get that information directly from the company ourselves.

iceman4357 said:
...you guys didnt read many of the update threads I guess? If you go into your date settings and move the date up a day, it will allow you to check again.
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Nope, saw that, figured settings had to be in a db somewhere since android is so db centric. Now maybe someone with app experience can build a app to fix the last updated time in this db for us for next time.

why is this thread in the "android development" subforum in the first place? and not the "captivate general" forum. Theres like 3-4 threads already started in the general.

Reefermattness said:
Uhhhh, its because they don't want everyone at the same time downloading android to crash their servers, I figured that one was pretty self explanatory, and the reason the att store reps keep telling you the wrong date is.... BECAUSE THEY DONT KNOW. ATT store reps are not kept in the loop about ANYTHING. They don't know when phones will be released, they dont know when their shipments are coming in, so how would they know when a company is gonna release 2.2 when we cant even get that information directly from the company ourselves.
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I know but its funny to hear them act like they have inside scoop. That's why I always ask.

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AT&T Availability ?

How will we know when it's available at AT&T ? Do they usually have a press release or something ? Should I just call the store periodically ?
Thanks
RacerX10 said:
How will we know when it's available at AT&T ? Do they usually have a press release or something ? Should I just call the store periodically ?
Thanks
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There's already a plenty of discussions. Please search.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=326634
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=327590
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=327425
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=325658
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324966
None of that says how we'll know when it's available. No search needed.
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None of that says how we'll know when it's available. No search needed.
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Logic needed?
AT&T isn't going to send you a text message, they aren't going to call you, and they aren't going to show up at your home or work. You'll know when the Tilt/8925 is released with AT&T when it's either a) Posted here, b) You call or visit an AT&T store every day until it's released, or c) You visit AT&T's website until you see something posted on this particular subject.
evolution_theory said:
Logic needed?
AT&T isn't going to send you a text message, they aren't going to call you, and they aren't going to show up at your home or work. You'll know when the Tilt/8925 is released with AT&T when it's either a) Posted here, b) You call or visit an AT&T store every day until it's released, or c) You visit AT&T's website until you see something posted on this particular subject.
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What do you mean, they really wont send me a text message. What if I tell them that I really really want it?
Ok just got off the phone with HTC-americas main dealer and this is what he said after doing some checking. ATT gets it 1st witch we all knew already. Also it showed a Launch date of sept again we knew this.
With a bit more checking he said it showed in his comp that They will be selling it on the 14th with orders going out on the 18th meaning the 11th date could very well be the date ATT goes live with theres.
Again this is right from HTC sales site so info sould be correct.
magnamar said:
Ok just got off the phone with HTC-americas main dealer and this is what he said after doing some checking. ATT gets it 1st witch we all knew already. Also it showed a Launch date of sept again we knew this.
With a bit more checking he said it showed in his comp that They will be selling it on the 14th with orders going out on the 18th meaning the 11th date could very well be the date ATT goes live with theres.
Again this is right from HTC sales site so info sould be correct.
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Man, I just hope so! This wait has already devastated me. You guys won't believe how many times I check xda-developers and other discussion forums.
magnamar said:
Ok just got off the phone with HTC-americas main dealer and this is what he said after doing some checking. ATT gets it 1st witch we all knew already. Also it showed a Launch date of sept again we knew this.
With a bit more checking he said it showed in his comp that They will be selling it on the 14th with orders going out on the 18th meaning the 11th date could very well be the date ATT goes live with theres.
Again this is right from HTC sales site so info sould be correct.
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Please be right, please be right, please be right, sorry when Im desperate I tend to chant LOL
hehe im in the same boat as you guys are wanting one been useing a rokr for the past month sence my 8125 was killed waiting for the kaiser and its been killing me lol
Im awaitin on that there text mesage that that racer dude is sending out hehe no search needed.......man I wish someone would post something about the availibility of that kaiser phone....hehe what a funny post that was.
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Yup...really sick of my 8125..been browsing every site multiple times a day trying to find a hint of the actual release. Really itching to get this phone!
Are some of you people stupid, or are you unable to read.
My question had NOTHING to do with "when will it be available"
My question had EVERYTHING to do with "what sort of notification will there be"
I'm merely looking for some input from people who have been around for previous phone launches (8125,8525) and have experience with
how AT&T did their release.
jeebus
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RacerX10 said:
Are some of you people stupid, or are you unable to read.
My question had NOTHING to do with "when will it be available"
My question had EVERYTHING to do with "what sort of notification will there be"
I'm merely looking for some input from people who have been around for previous phone launches (8125,8525) and have experience with
how AT&T did their release.
jeebus
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Writing things like that to people who are experienced with phone launches is not the way to invite their help. You asked for advice and they gave it. Can't we all just get along? We are all excited with the release of such a marvelous creation
Btw...Hello fellow members!
Here let me put this a way you can understand then.
You will know when you see it up on there site. If you dont know where to look then just ask rather then being a Jackass about it. on the ATT site click support then forums there is a section called announcements it will be post there.
Also you can visit the HTC americas site to see when its live here. Noone is going to hold your hand and txt call or whatever you when its avil you will eather A. have to wait till someone takes pity on you and post here or B. be a big boy and learn to check there sites for yourself.
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Are some of you people stupid, or are you unable to read.
My question had NOTHING to do with "when will it be available"
My question had EVERYTHING to do with "what sort of notification will there be"
I'm merely looking for some input from people who have been around for previous phone launches (8125,8525) and have experience with
how AT&T did their release.
jeebus
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Rule #422 dont be an asshole. If you post a question such as this at a time like this it is bound to go off topic at some point. However calling people "stupid" or say they cant read just makes you sound like an idiot yourself. Speaking as a fellow noob, I will say that this site has been the best resource I have found anywhere...period. So my advice is dont be rude simply because it went off topic.
Now in regard to your question on at&t previous launches, they suck. I followed the 8125 for a while but was new and didnt really know what I was missing so I at least wasnt losing my mind. The 8525 on the other hand was a different story, lost my freaking mind. I watched several supposed launch dates come and go and it was finally released in November. My way of dealing with this is just have fun with it, trust that it will be worth it, and save some extra cash back while waiting. I personally dont believe we'll see it as soon as everyone thinks though. I hope Im wrong but you could just call it a gut feeling.
swtaltima said:
Now in regard to your question on at&t previous launches, they suck. I followed the 8125 for a while but was new and didnt really know what I was missing so I at least wasnt losing my mind. The 8525 on the other hand was a different story, lost my freaking mind. I watched several supposed launch dates come and go and it was finally released in November. My way of dealing with this is just have fun with it, trust that it will be worth it, and save some extra cash back while waiting. I personally dont believe we'll see it as soon as everyone thinks though. I hope Im wrong but you could just call it a gut feeling.
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Thanks amigo, I appreciate the info. I guess I was just wondering if they'd make it obvious when it was available (web site update) or if you had to go looking for one (calling around to different stores, etc)
Have a good one,
DLD
RacerX10 said:
Thanks amigo, I appreciate the info. I guess I was just wondering if they'd make it obvious when it was available (web site update) or if you had to go looking for one (calling around to different stores, etc)
Have a good one,
DLD
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Trust me, you will know when AT&T releases this phone! With so much hype just about the rumor dates, imagine when it finally gets released. You won't even have to check their website or visit a store, you will just about see it everywhere.
I hope that it doesn't cost a but load for the service. think Tmobile will get it any time in the next two years? I like Tmobile because I can tweak my plan and have more freedom it feels like; off topic, yes, but why not chat since nobody knows the answer to the thread other than soon
well - in the SF Bay area a rep checked and said she couldnt say when it was going to be released.. after a little pressing she mentioned end of the month was all she could say.
for all its worth
I was speaking with an HTC US customer service rep about my new TYTN II that I had just received and he said "did you know AT&T is releasing it on Oct 1?"
for what it's worth

Anyway to unbrick a hero? HELP?

I got ahead of myself and installed a radio update on a rooted handset running MoDaCo 2. I ran the updater in update mode and than it prompted a restart.
I restarted and it installed the package than next time i looked the screen was dead. the whole units been dead eversince. no reaction to USB/Power, or to any key combo startups...
Please tell me that this is not the end?
probably dead
from what i have read on this issue, if you flash a GSM radio it runs on a higher voltage and kills your phone.
if you have the insurance they most likely wont be able to tell what broke it.
well there isnt anything you can do. I hope you have insurence. this is the only way that we have found to brick these phones, is to flash the GSM radio.
good luck
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I got ahead of myself and installed a radio update on a rooted handset running MoDaCo 2. I ran the updater in update mode and than it prompted a restart.
I restarted and it installed the package than next time i looked the screen was dead. the whole units been dead eversince. no reaction to USB/Power, or to any key combo startups...
Please tell me that this is not the end?
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Sorry, this is the end.
I didn't think MoDaCo had a v2 for CDMA heros...maybe thats why it told you to update the radio. Nothing that you can do, I think this is the only thing that has killed a Hero is someone not paying attnetion and updating the radio to a GSM one.
Please no one take this the wrong way, but...
At least once a week there's a thread like this, where someone has fried their phone by flashing the wrong package.
Accidents do happen... that's the way it goes. I've been in the tech industry for over 20 years and I've certainly done my share of "what does this do?", but there are pages and pages (and more pages) relating to the process involved in hacking around on your Hero phone and while it is getting easier to do due to the great work by the devs found here in this forum, reading and comprehension of exactly what it is you're doing should always be your #1 step.
Read, download files, read again, verify that you have the correct items, read some more and then start the process.
It's like the old woodworking saying, measure twice, cut once.
To the OP, it sucks that your phone got fried, but one can hope this serves as another warning to others.
There us definitely a modaco 2.0 cdma. What radio update did you use?
adelaney said:
There us definitely a modaco 2.0 cdma. What radio update did you use?
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It doesn't matter what he used. There are zero radio updates for the CDMA Hero, thus there is no opportunity, at all, to flash something back to the phone that would work.
If you don't know what you're doing, you shouldn't be doing it. It's as simple as that. If you do it anyway, you should expect to get burned.
posguy99 said:
It doesn't matter what he used. There are zero radio updates for the CDMA Hero, thus there is no opportunity, at all, to flash something back to the phone that would work.
If you don't know what you're doing, you shouldn't be doing it. It's as simple as that. If you do it anyway, you should expect to get burned.
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im sorry to do this because im totaly not into flaming but dude you are a real jerk every post I see from you is condecending and rude. yes you should be sure you know what your doing before you do it but jesus man how did you learn? where you born with total knowledge of the android system? I have posted this to you before, but once again why post anything if you can not be helpfull?
wtphoto said:
im sorry to do this because im totaly not into flaming but dude you are a real jerk every post I see from you is condecending and rude. yes you should be sure you know what your doing before you do it but jesus man how did you learn? where you born with total knowledge of the android system? I have posted this to you before, but once again why post anything if you can not be helpfull?
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10 Char limit my butt....
wtphoto said:
im sorry to do this because im totaly not into flaming but dude you are a real jerk every post I see from you is condecending and rude. yes you should be sure you know what your doing before you do it but jesus man how did you learn? where you born with total knowledge of the android system? I have posted this to you before, but once again why post anything if you can not be helpfull?
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+1000 ..... After reading a couple foul posts from this guy yesterday, I did a search for all of his posts and at least 3/4 of them are condescending and rude, in addition to being completely unnecessary and unhelpful.
Why do you come here and post when you have nothing positive to add and nothing nice to say. Seriosly, get some anger management and dont chime in unless you plan to help and be constructive.
rockcrawler said:
+1000 ..... After reading a couple foul posts from this guy yesterday, I did a search for all of his posts and at least 3/4 of them are condescending and rude, in addition to being completely unnecessary and unhelpful.
Why do you come here and post when you have nothing positive to add and nothing nice to say. Seriosly, get some anger management and dont chime in unless you plan to help and be constructive.
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+1....
was I constructive and helpful?
jk
to OP:
sorry dude... if u have a Sprint CDMA Hero
and you messed with the RADIO
IT is the end of that phone... dead!
As was advised before, take your phone to a Sprint store and fain ignorance. Say, "For the life of me, I tried to turn it on the other day and it just won't respond!" The techs will fart with it for two hours, calling Sprint's techs and attempting every trick in the book to flash it before finally replacing it with a heartfelt apology. Don't tell them anything that you did to it. Just let them make the determination.
posguy99 said:
It doesn't matter what he used. There are zero radio updates for the CDMA Hero, thus there is no opportunity, at all, to flash something back to the phone that would work.
If you don't know what you're doing, you shouldn't be doing it. It's as simple as that. If you do it anyway, you should expect to get burned.
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We've all been down this road. Maybe not with flashing a phone, but with other things as well. That's called "learning from your mistake." He got a bit too enthusiastic and had a lapse in judgment...it happens to all of us, including me.
He probably thought he was flashing the MoDaCo CDMA 2.0 ROM for HTC Hero and just accidentally picked up the MoDaCo GSM 2.0 ROM for HTC Hero. Unfortunately, the problem is that the GSM Hero and CDMA Hero are named just that, HTC Hero. There is no real designation to the average user. Even the accessories like batteries between the GSM Hero and the CDMA Hero are different...causing an average user to make a mistake and buy the wrong accessory (got close in buying a battery for the GSM Hero because it was labeled as compatible with "HTC Hero"...only problem was it was for the GSM Hero and not the CDMA Hero, but nowhere on the site said that.)
Go easy on the guy...it's unfortunate, but it happened and now he's learned to be more careful in the future.
tkirton said:
We've all been down this road. Maybe not with flashing a phone, but with other things as well. That's called "learning from your mistake." He got a bit too enthusiastic and had a lapse in judgment...it happens to all of us, including me.
He probably thought he was flashing the MoDaCo CDMA 2.0 ROM for HTC Hero and just accidentally picked up the MoDaCo GSM 2.0 ROM for HTC Hero. Unfortunately, the problem is that the GSM Hero and CDMA Hero are named just that, HTC Hero. There is no real designation to the average user. Even the accessories like batteries between the GSM Hero and the CDMA Hero are different...causing an average user to make a mistake and buy the wrong accessory (got close in buying a battery for the GSM Hero because it was labeled as compatible with "HTC Hero"...only problem was it was for the GSM Hero and not the CDMA Hero, but nowhere on the site said that.)
Go easy on the guy...it's unfortunate, but it happened and now he's learned to be more careful in the future.
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So curiosity kills me here. If 1.6+ has CDMA support in the future could we potentially have 1 set of roms for both devices?? I guess that is probably just wishful thinking due to other differences, doesn't change the fact the radio is still different and a different driver, not just kernel level stuff.
Ignore me i make less sense as i ramble.
Kcarpenter said:
So curiosity kills me here. If 1.6+ has CDMA support in the future could we potentially have 1 set of roms for both devices?? I guess that is probably just wishful thinking due to other differences, doesn't change the fact the radio is still different and a different driver, not just kernel level stuff.
Ignore me i make less sense as i ramble.
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Theoretically, yes. The ROM should be able to determine which radio is in there and set the settings accordingly (including loading the correct driver).
But, that's in theory. Not sure if that is how this going to play out at 2.1 (since that's the next release for our phone).
wtphoto said:
where you born with total knowledge of the android system?
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Hardly. I learn something every day.
But it doesn't take "total knowledge of the Android system" to know that:
(A) This over here isn't meant for my phone
(B) People repeatedly post saying "don't do it!"
(C) People who do it anyway report bricking their phone
should lead to:
(D) I really shouldn't do that.
It just takes normal reasoning ability.
I have zero problem with someone who says "gee, I don't understand the difference, will you tell me?"... but the one who decides to do something, I am going to assume the same of him that I would hope he assumes of me.
That he has a clue.
People who don't have a clue should be expecting to be reminded of the fact. This is how people *learn*. Conversely, if I make some stupid mistake, I hope someone pokes ME about it, too.
XDA is a great resource. If only more people would actually use it.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled fora.
To OP:
Do what they said and play it ignorant at a repair center, they will have no clue what happened and give you a new phone.
Well I have insurance so maybe that is why but who knows.
Don't worry OP I did the same mistake, just keep reading and you will be fine. Don't be afraid to get back into the modding scene, just read up before you try anything next time, and maybe create a thread to verify you have a solid process before doing it, once you learn everything that you need to be successful.
arcataslacker said:
I got ahead of myself and installed a radio update on a rooted handset running MoDaCo 2. I ran the updater in update mode and than it prompted a restart.
I restarted and it installed the package than next time i looked the screen was dead. the whole units been dead eversince. no reaction to USB/Power, or to any key combo startups...
Please tell me that this is not the end?
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Okay...once you get your phone back from Sprint and you want to mod it again, my suggestion is to stick to the Hero CDMA subforum for your ROMs. All are guaranteed not to brick your phone.
The Darktremor has a list and links to updated ROMs.
Thanks for the info guys!
there are no sprint stores near by but I should be able to call support about it.
I know its a no no but they wouldn't be able to tell if the MEID was 0ed out would they?
arcataslacker said:
Thanks for the info guys!
there are no sprint stores near by but I should be able to call support about it.
I know its a no no but they wouldn't be able to tell if the MEID was 0ed out would they?
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No...without actually getting into the phone, they can't tell if you messed with it. And since the phone is dead, they won't be able to tell you tried to mod it. Just do what everyone here says and play ignorant.

Avoiding over air updates for next time...

This over air update, I think everyone can agree, was a complete disaster. It didn't seem to matter whether you were completely stock or rooted, etc... and it could completely brick your phone. It scared the ever loving crap out of me. My phone kept contacting the update server (never started downloading) but I was able to sneak in the update via Clockwork.
My query is this... aimed at the developers here. Is it possible in any way, that a hack could be created that would block the connection to the over air updates? It became my understanding that once it started, you were basically stuck with it and had no choice in the matter.
Is it really that difficult to post in the correct section?
My bad... I guess. I thought a question directed towards developers would belong here. A moderator is welcome to move it as they see fit. And hopefully this isn't seen as rude... I really was just trying to bring up an honest question and believed it to be posted in the right place.
No need to be rude about it, this does nothing to foster a growing community
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Rude comments instead of answers...
life2monkeys said:
No need to be rude about it, this does nothing to foster a growing community
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OP, ignore these guys...there are some of them on every forum on the Internet...they just wish they were mods. Both their posts are rude; yours was not.
Waste of space and time...
jasonyump said:
Is it really that difficult to post in the correct section?
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You're a senior member; he is not. Loosen up a bit and stop being rude. You took the time to post your rude comment when you could just have easily given an answer (assuming you knew it which appears not be the case) and then nicely mentioned the correct location for the post.
One of the reasons I hate posting. All these people always attack everything u do or say
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Ok guys we were all new at something one time or another. Lets try to help as much a possible. This should have gone in Q&A and I will move it there here in a sec.
To answer OP As long as you dont go and check for it and agree then it should not DL and mess everything up like this one did. Anyone is free to correct me if I am wrong, noob to android myself and learning as I go
Well said.
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zelendel said:
Ok guys we were all new at something one time or another. Lets try to help as much a possible. This should have gone in Q&A and I will move it there here in a sec.
To answer OP As long as you dont go and check for it and agree then it should not DL and mess everything up like this one did. Anyone is free to correct me if I am wrong, noob to android myself and learning as I go
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I appreciate this, I really did think I'd posed the question in the right place... as it's not a "can I stop the update" question, but "does a developer know if that area of the OS could be stopped with hack." I should add I'm not a kid asking someone to hack my phone, this is purely hypothetical.
It's not such a big deal if you can, in fact deny the over-air update. I'd gotten the impression from several posts that it was nearly forced. Maybe it was just the issue of stopped downloads that got installed partially... I'm not sure.
Anyway, thanks zelendel. What's OP? My sign on should say maximus-dev... I see OP next to peoples member level... but thought that's what meant they were signed on.
OP = original poster. i.e. the person who started the thread
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I appreciate this, I really did think I'd posed the question in the question in the right place... as it's not a can I stop the update, but does a developer know if that area of the OS could be stopped, but it's not such a big deal if you can, in fact deny the over-air update. I'd gotten the impression from several posts that it was nearly forced. Maybe it was just the issue of stopped downloads that got installed partially... I'm not sure.
Anyway, thanks zelendel. What's OP? My sign on should say maximus-dev... I see OP next to peoples names... but thought that's what meant they were signed on.
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OP stands for Orignal Poster. I think it was stopped downloads that caused some issues but I have A buddy that has one as well and he didnt even know there was an update till I told him so I think you have to check for the update, I dont see anyone being able to push an update to your phone weather you want it or not. But then again I could be wrong, been known to happen a time or two
zelendel said:
Ok guys we were all new at something one time or another. Lets try to help as much a possible. This should have gone in Q&A and I will move it there here in a sec.
To answer OP As long as you dont go and check for it and agree then it should not DL and mess everything up like this one did. Anyone is free to correct me if I am wrong, noob to android myself and learning as I go
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Nicely done. That's why you a mod.
zelendel said:
OP stands for Orignal Poster. I think it was stopped downloads that caused some issues but I have A buddy that has one as well and he didnt even know there was an update till I told him so I think you have to check for the update, I dont see anyone being able to push an update to your phone weather you want it or not. But then again I could be wrong, been known to happen a time or two
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There was an AT&T link around here that said that you are allowed to postpone updating for a up to two times but will be required to update the third time. I am not sure how that works, because I have not yet been notified of the OTA update that is going to fail (because my phone is flashed off stock). I am sure it is something like a modeless dialog box where you have two choices the first two times, but the third time you must chose to update. Since I already have the OTA update installed, I am not sure what's going to happen when my time comes, and I can't postpone any more.
I saw the install or postpone but I only saw that after I looked for the update and DL it, then of course everything went to hell lol

How do I downgrade to 2.1?

I have the cognition beta5 installed right now and I would like to go back to 2.1 becouse my market downloads are slow very slow and my battery drains too. Is there a super noob way to down grade and if u could please tell me exactly step by step thx
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You got cognition on your phone, so you must have visited the developer forum...
Have you even tried to find the answer on your own? I know you are asking for help, but didn't you look up "how to restore to stock" before you started? What if there is no way - like on some other phones? Why would you do a major mod, without looking up how to go back before you even started?
Try the first post in the developer section - the stickied one - the captivate bible.
Look for odin one click to down grade. I believe there is a thread dedicated to it. I've noticed some off things in the market but nothing worth downgrading for.
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Alphadog I know it can be downgraded but I could not find the post that says how it can be done thats why I asked
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I must agree with what Alphadog said. You did not even bother to search. If you did there's absolutely no reason why this thread would be here. It's on the first page of the Android Development Section of these forums. You can't fricking miss it. But because you did, here's the link. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=731989
alphadog00 said:
You got cognition on your phone, so you must have visited the developer forum...
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Stewart, shut up and stop flaming before you get banned. Just some friendly advice. You might just want to edit out that last post of yours.
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stewart must be a tard
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Stewart, shut up and stop flaming before you get banned. Just some friendly advice. You might just want to edit out that last post of yours.
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You can't be banned from a site like this, if so you just open up another user name and email....come on guys you must be new, but just for you i will delete it, i just hate when a new person gets on here and is treated like dirt. The guy asked a simple question...just answer "yes or no" thats it no need for the "extra advise" especially if you can't be nice about it. Besides how do you know the guy never bothered to search...thats an assumption on your part and when you assume you just...well you know. Don't assume just answer the question without being a jerk about it. A smart comment can be hidden behind what was suppose to be "friendly advise" and it's plain to see that this alpha dog was being smart assuming that the guy had not done his homework before making changes to his phone. At the end of the day...this release was not a good release, as we can see a lot of members on this site are having problems with their phones now. This is phone hacking using an leaked aka stolen version of froyo 2.2 that was patched together. We all took a chance and downloaded it at our own risk and now some members are paying for it because that's what happens when you accept stolen merchandise sometimes there are consequenses. Once you download this version of froyo the android market does not recognize the new version of the firmware and so a lot of apps are no longer available for you on the market unless you uninstall it put your phone back to eclair 2.1 and then try to access the market to find you missing apps. Now there is an Official version of froyo that is going to be released and anyone who downloaded the leaked aka stolen version will not and i repeat will not get the ota update from att this has been stated because the att server no longer recognizes your phones firmware version. Once again you will have to use your USB cable and pray that the "iffy" samsung keis application will see your phones stolen firmware and allow you to update to the leagle version of froyo 2.2 that should be a lot more stable then the the leaked...aka stolen version that everyone fell for.
These things are always "install at your own risk". If you screw it up, be prepared to figure out how to fix it. What Alphadog was trying to get at, is that if you just search, heck you don't even need to do that as all the answers are on the first page of the Dev subforum, you can figure out how to do it. He's also right in saying people need to do their homework before they mod their phone. You NEED a plan. You need to know how to be able to start anew should something get borked or you need to return it or something else.
It is irritating lately that these forums have been getting filled with really nooby questions like how to assign a picture to a contact. If everyone would spend some time using the phone or using google or searching the forums, the answer would be blatantly obvious. I think for the most part we're all just fed up with these questions, but instead of "being smart assed" about it and flaming, we just need to ignore the thread and let someone else deal with it.
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These things are always "install at your own risk". If you screw it up, be prepared to figure out how to fix it. What Alphadog was trying to get at, is that if you just search, heck you don't even need to do that as all the answers are on the first page of the Dev subforum, you can figure out how to do it. He's also right in saying people need to do their homework before they mod their phone. You NEED a plan. You need to know how to be able to start anew should something get borked or you need to return it or something else.
It is irritating lately that these forums have been getting filled with really nooby questions like how to assign a picture to a contact. If everyone would spend some time using the phone or using google or searching the forums, the answer would be blatantly obvious. I think for the most part we're all just fed up with these questions, but instead of "being smart assed" about it and flaming, we just need to ignore the thread and let someone else deal with it.
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That is true...or people who tend to be arogant in their thinking and looking down on folks who are not able to figure it out should use another forum. Thats all im trying to say. Heck what is the forum here for if not to help people. Check this out...I work in the mortgage forclosure industry..thats what i do im the guy that will put your home on the auction block if you can't pay for it for any reason. Poeple call me all the time all day long because they didn't read through their loan note before settlement or they were not informed during the settlement process as to what would happen if they didn't pay their mortgage. I don't get rude with them, i try to assist them because i have knowlege that could help them, imformation that they don't have. I don't want to see them get put out so i try to assist them by pointing them in the right direction over and over again no matter how often they call asking the same question.
My point? This is unchartered territory for some people, some of them don't even know how to use a forum...i wasn't born knowing how to write blog or use a forum. I had to ask questions sometimes over and over again. I had to research as well. But come on man these are 200.00 phones and for some folks thats a lot of money. If they mess up their phone ATT won't help them at all. Not to mention, unless you can get that samsung kies working on your computer your "might" be stuck with the stolen version of froyo 2.2 which as you can see is very very glitchy for some people.
Yes the sight says to mod at your own risk...but how can you dangle candy in someone face like that and expect them not to take the risk. Besides can you imagine what this country would be like if we had informed shoppers who did their homework before the shopped...this economy would be worse off then what it is, because people would think before they shopped or played around with their 200.00 smart phone taking a risk on damaging it for good.
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That is true...or people who tend to be arogant in their thinking and looking down on folks who are not able to figure it out should use another forum. Thats all im trying to say. Heck what is the forum here for if not to help people. Check this out...I work in the mortgage forclosure industry..thats what i do im the guy that will put your home on the auction block if you can't pay for it for any reason. Poeple call me all the time all day long because they didn't read through their loan note before settlement or they were not informed during the settlement process as to what would happen if they didn't pay their mortgage. I don't get rude with them, i try to assist them because i have knowlege that could help them, imformation that they don't have. I don't want to see them get put out so i try to assist them by pointing them in the right direction over and over again no matter how often they call asking the same question.
My point? This is unchartered territory for some people, some of them don't even know how to use a forum...i wasn't born knowing how to write blog or use a forum. I had to ask questions sometimes over and over again. I had to research as well. But come on man these are 200.00 phones and for some folks thats a lot of money. If they mess up their phone ATT won't help them at all. Not to mention, unless you can get that samsung kies working on your computer your "might" be stuck with the stolen version of froyo 2.2 which as you can see is very very glitchy for some people.
Yes the sight says to mod at your own risk...but how can you dangle candy in someone face like that and expect them not to take the risk. Besides can you imagine what this country would be like if we had informed shoppers who did their homework before the shopped...this economy would be worse off then what it is, because people would think before they shopped or played around with their 200.00 smart phone taking a risk on damaging it for good.
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If you want to spoon feed the entire world, that is your choice.
But defending people for their lack of judgment and research makes you look equally ignorant.
The point, at the beginning of this thread, is that if people just bothered TO TRY, they would find answers. Or just read the first post of a mod thread. I would think the words "this could brick your phone" would mean something. But no, most people are so used to bailouts and handouts that they don't stop to learn. I pointed the OP in the right direction - the information is there if he/she looked.
Oh, and if we had informed shoppers - we wouldn't have the mortgage mess we have now. People blame the banks, but it is idiot consumers that buy more then they can afford, get zero down loans, balloon loans, and hope their house goes up in value so they can refinance later.
The idea that more informed shoppers would make the economy worse is comical.
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If you want to spoon feed the entire world, that is your choice.
But defending people for their lack of judgment and research makes you look equally ignorant.
The point, at the beginning of this thread, is that if people just bothered TO TRY, they would find answers. Or just read the first post of a mod thread. I would think the words "this could brick your phone" would mean something. But no, most people are so used to bailouts and handouts that they don't stop to learn. I pointed the OP in the right direction - the information is there if he/she looked.
Oh, and if we had informed shoppers - we wouldn't have the mortgage mess we have now. People blame the banks, but it is idiot consumers that buy more then they can afford, get zero down loans, balloon loans, and hope their house goes up in value so they can refinance later.
The idea that more informed shoppers would make the economy worse is comical.
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Wow. So the OP didn't read enough before jumping. I was guilty of the sane thing. The forum takes some time to get used to. Not certain it warrants your rant. You clicked on the thread, why just so you can yell at someone?
OP look for Odin in development. If you are on beta 5 it is the only way to go back. I hope you have a PC and not a Mac
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A read about the forum state regarding Kit Kat OTA update

This is not a rant or a moan or whatever you want to call it. This is just clearing a few things up after the last few days what i have been reading on the forum.
Firstly support for N4 will still be there after this update, and i am sure we have at least one more major update to come for our beloved device. People saying that our phone will be next are just talking rubbish. People all over the forum are crying thinking that our device will be next. Until a confirmation from Google can people please stop with the conspiracy theories.
Also regarding with the launcher. Now i am not that really bothered if it gets released or not as i do not use Google Now. But again were is the official confirmation that the launcher will not be included for our device? There is none. Just tech sites writing there stuff as usual and every one is lapping it up and making a fuss.
I love my phone and i do not see a reason why i should upgrade to the Nexus 5. I do not want though people in the forum to start moaning about things that are not official yet from the God itself which is Google. Yes they are not perfect but until the actual release gets to our device and we have things missing then fine all hell can break lose.
Oh and one last thing. Yes am gutted that we not got the update soon as the release came out but we are still the first to get it were other mega devices are not getting it at least December or Xmas the earliest..So am still thankful for the Nexus line. But that will start not meaning anything soon anyway if they carry this new strategy of there to put money first before anything else.
But till then please take a chill pill people.
This will get shut down and deleted am sure but i just wanted people to read this and seriously take it easy till there is ACTUAL CONFIRMATION by GOOGLE THEMSELVES..
Mods sorry if this should not be here but sometimes a man has enough when reading through the forums and having whiny kids whine all the time.
And to add...We are XDA...If things go missing and are not included in the build that our beloved N4 should get then people trust our great and respectful Developers here who are if you do not mind me saying better than those at Google..We will have those features that the N5 has and if not should be better build than stock...So please show your support for our devs and less whining and help this place for newbies instead of moaning all the time about something that has not been confirmed yet
:highfive: for you!
This is exactly my opinion on the subject.
If you are on XDA, odds are that you know how to mod your phone, and believe me, everything that will not come with the official OTA will be made avaliable soon here on XDA.
Right, you might need root, you can argue you do not want to root but then what is the point of your anger if you do not want to take action to get something you want?
Just wait for Google to release the OTA and everything will be clear!
Should be soon I guess
Ignasiuz said:
:highfive: for you!
This is exactly my opinion on the subject.
If you are on XDA, odds are that you know how to mod your phone, and believe me, everything that will not come with the official OTA will be made avaliable soon here on XDA.
Right, you might need root, you can argue you do not want to root but then what is the point of your anger if you do not want to take action to get something you want?
Just wait for Google to release the OTA and everything will be clear!
Should be soon I guess
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exactly my friend. until something has been confirmed i do not understand why people are panicking. and by the next update which will be by summer time our phone should be more than capable to handle it and i am sure we are in for that to. phones should have a support from the OS development team ie Google at least maximum two years...so why are people are stressed is beyond me.
Now as the Galaxy Nexus that is a strange one and Google should state the reasons why they are not supporting it but again that is nothing to do with me or concerns me..But for people to start saying that the N4 is next is beyond silly to say
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But again were is the official confirmation that the launcher will not be included for our device? There is none. Just tech sites writing there stuff as usual and every one is lapping it up and making a fuss.
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Sure there is confirmation. It is not included in the Nexus 7 WiFi KitKat update. And Google confirmed it with The Verge and said it is possible they will bring it to other devices other than the N5 someday but not initially.
Great post OP.. You know what I think it is? Purely my opinion after mulling over how absolutely weird the 4.4 rollout and release has been.
Ever been in a corporate environment where someone important is replaced? It's hell.. JBQ left and was replaced.. So here you have a new guy who is pulling the old corporate "I'm new and have to flex my superiority and change things to make it look like I'm doing something different and being productive" (ie: Fishing for his next promotion).. This happens in nearly every business.. It's hilarious to watch happen in real life because most employees know it's coming.. 3 months later after everyone hates the new guy and his useless changes everything goes right back to the way it was. I'm certain all the rumblings this is causing is being heard..
This is all very nice but it makes my think longer and hard did l make the right decision buying a nexus 4.With the ota out for nexus 7 and 10 l just wonder what the delay is with nexus 4
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No please, not again.
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forever_lol said:
No please, not again.
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Its called discussion. If you do not want to participate then don't post. Hence why the other thread got closed
Cause useless posts like yours
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Please enlighten me, what's the difference between your thread and the one that got closed. You've already labeled all that don't share your point of view by "whiners" (btw weren't you the one that also happened to "whine" at the beginning? ) so what do you expect? It's obvious that any sort of discussion won't be possible here. Your thread will sooner or later became exactly the same place of mindless arguments and eventually closed.
But you're right. If am not interested to participate so I am done. Good luck though, I am sure you're get many "thanks".
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Goku80 said:
Now as the Galaxy Nexus that is a strange one and Google should state the reasons why they are not supporting it but again that is nothing to do with me or concerns me..But for people to start saying that the N4 is next is beyond silly to say
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It has to do with the Ti core not being supported anymore. Also, not being supported by Ti did not meant it doesn't work for Galaxy Nexus, just means Google would not support a device without former support to its hardware.
Anyways, Galaxy Nexus got 4.4 already, go Install it
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Please enlighten me, what's the difference between your thread and the one that got closed. You've already labeled all that don't share your point of view by "whiners" so what do you expect? It's obvious that any sort of discussion will be possible here. Your thread will sooner or later became exactly the same place of mindless arguments and closed. Good luck though
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Isn't this the waiting room for nexus 4 owners that are waiting on the ota?
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Please enlighten me, what's the difference between your thread and the one that got closed. You've already labeled all that don't share your point of view by "whiners" (btw weren't you the one that also happened to "whine" at the beginning? ) so what do you expect? It's obvious that any sort of discussion won't be possible here. Your thread will sooner or later became exactly the same place of mindless arguments and eventually closed.
But you're right. If am not interested to participate so I am done. Good luck though, I am sure you're get many "thanks".
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It is not about getting many thanks..To be honest got enough already as it is. Now moving on
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This is all very nice but it makes my think longer and hard did l make the right decision buying a nexus 4.With the ota out for nexus 7 and 10 l just wonder what the delay is with nexus 4
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Notice the GSM/LTE tablets haven't got an update yet either...
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Isn't this the waiting room for nexus 4 owners that are waiting on the ota?
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To be honest the reason why i opened this thread is to get my opinion about the many things that i have read on the forum. Many false information that is going around by others is beyond ridiculous because they listen to tech sites most of them without any proper confirmation by Google itself...Now as to regarding the updates that are coming for our device if there is an official changelog by Google to say what are the changes from the older nexus devices compare to the N5 then i will eat my hat if it is out already stating what we are getting and missing out on..
But again people forget that XDA is here to help..Hence why we should not be ranting and raving
What am trying to say is that i want this thread to stick to a proper adult discussion about our device regarding the build that we should get..And i do not want people to give mis-information till we get it from the Big Boss itself
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I can understand your point here OP but, the purpose of forums such as this one is to allow for open discussion on a topic. I see no issue with speculation or assumption as long as people keep their heads. That is, after all, what makes things interesting and keeps people intrigued. If we went purely on the facts at hand 100% of the time, discussions would end fairly quickly and most forums would be desolate places.
Just my .02
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