I just found out today from various pages online that the galaxy tab is already selling with froyo. Now my understanding is that most of you might already know about it ? When samsung postponed their 23rd sept. release for froyo on the SGS, I was still optimistic hoping that the update would be worth waiting for and solve a majority if not all of our problems with the phone, including lag, whenever it came. But now I learn the update does already exist, but only for a newer device! What am I, as a customer supposed to make of this ? If there already is a froyo firmware existing with the samsung's TouchWiz UI, WHY is not brought to the SGS yet ? Earlier I sympathised with samsung thinking that they're putting decent effort in the froyo update before releasing it to end users. But if this is the scenario, I am very upset....
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Froyo IS coming to SGS, it will be available from this week onwards starting with T-Mobile as you might have already seen on all android forums, blogs and websites.
Galaxy Tab is a big product for Samsung, since it's initial firmware is based on Froyo, I’m pretty sure Samsung is putting a lot more effort into getting Froyo out on the Tab compared to having it on the SGS. Its perfectly understandable. Without Froyo they cant release the Tab, but SGS still functions with 2.1.
I know that. Isn't the hardware on both devices the same ? So why wasn't there a simultaneous release of galaxy tab with froyo and froyo for galaxy s ? What takes things so long for SGS ?
I dont know for sure, but most likely the hardware is similar (if not the same). But the firmware has few differences, for example Samsung had to modify it to fix screen scaling issues for 1024x600; and if you have seen some of the Galaxy Tab demo videos, you might have seen that some of it’s UI components are different too (video conferencing interface, eMail client, etc..). Maybe Samsung is putting most of their developers on Tab's firmware development giving less priority to SGS.
Yes well, this is exactly what I'm saying is wrong, for a company like samsung. Especially in this case for nearly identical devices...
As far as the resolution is concerned, being an engineer, I can say it's not that big an ordeal to scale it down. And if you're saying that the galaxy tab has more components/apps out of the box, then that would logically imply that froyo for galaxy s should have arrived first, as it would require lesser development time. Instead, we're seeing months of delays! How is that justified ?
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I just found out today from various pages online that the galaxy tab is already selling with froyo. Now my understanding is that most of you might already know about it ? When samsung postponed their 23rd sept. release for froyo on the SGS, I was still optimistic hoping that the update would be worth waiting for and solve a majority if not all of our problems with the phone, including lag, whenever it came. But now I learn the update does already exist, but only for a newer device! What am I, as a customer supposed to make of this ? If there already is a froyo firmware existing with the samsung's TouchWiz UI, WHY is not brought to the SGS yet ? Earlier I sympathised with samsung thinking that they're putting decent effort in the froyo update before releasing it to end users. But if this is the scenario, I am very upset....
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That would be wonderful if the Tab was already selling. Any idea where to get one right now?
I think samsung has some stability problems with TW crap he loads into SGS. Tab is cleaner (no TW), thus didnt require so much TW porting (and all apps developed for Tab are with 2.2 in mind).
Thats one side, because core system aint close to perfect too.
I see. But the tab has TW 3.0 as well from what I've read in this forum. Your other point however, makes a lot of sense..
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I just won a free Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant with Bell Mobility, but which one should I keep? I love my Nexus One, and it seems that there is a lot more development for the N1 right now. I am a rom flashing junkie, love to tinker with my phone, and make update.zip files for fun...
That being said, clearly the N1 is better.. but only for right now. Does anyone have any insight on when the Galaxy will get as much attention? It is on 5-6 networks already after all..
Thanks!
Either way, lets get a rom dump and see what we can play with
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I just won a free Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant with Bell Mobility, but which one should I keep? I love my Nexus One, and it seems that there is a lot more development for the N1 right now. I am a rom flashing junkie, love to tinker with my phone, and make update.zip files for fun...
That being said, clearly the N1 is better.. but only for right now. Does anyone have any insight on when the Galaxy will get as much attention? It is on 5-6 networks already after all..
Thanks!
Either way, lets get a rom dump and see what we can play with
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Galaxy S probably has the better hardware.
N1 will continue to get android releases from google first ... once the Galaxy S is out on all networks and widely sold, I would expect custom rom development to explode for it (and be the same if not better than for the n1)
=> I would keep the galaxy (based on better hardware alone)
i would keep both. you have the best of both world. N1 which is will have the most updated android and SGS which has best hardware at this moment. but with some issues on software. but that will be all figured out. play with both and then make your decision.
BTW, hating on you so much. lucky SOB.
Whatever you do, don't get rid of the N1. Either keep both and hope the Galaxy issues get resolved (GPS AND Compass) or sell the Galaxy. The Galaxy has much faster graphics performance and built in HDMI out via USB but, unfortunately, the GPS and Compass issue make it a no go for a day to day user. The thing about the Nexus is that it will continue to get updates first and,likely, there will be much more development on it. Likely, this will result in much better tuned software and possibly even open up even more functionality. With the core hardware issues of the Samsung, you are at the mercy of Samsung and their track record is not so good. I actually bought a Vibrant (Galaxy S) and returned it.
Hey! I'm a new Nexus One user. I've been using the Galaxy S for a long time and in the end chose the N1 over it. Yes, the hardware on the GS is better than the N1, but really, for me it all came down to keeping the phone that made me feel heavenly -- the N1!
You will be better off in the long run with the Nexus One...
I sold my n1 for the sgs and I'm not looking back.. true Multitouch, memory ,gpu and super amoled was enough for me. N1 was great, but the sgs is better IMO... development is starting pretty well. Especially soon....
seen the galaxy s II 2.3 with touchwiz 4.0 and the ui seems nicer. implementing new way to add widgets and other stuffs.
are we going to get that with our old galaxy s?
but 1 thing annoys me most is that, there is NO SCREEN OFF ANIMATION!!! [is there?]
which is one off the coolest thing i look forward in getting gingerbread.
I don't think we will ever get 2.3 on our i9000 devices. Samsung wants us to buy their new phone to get 2.3. Samsung is not apple, they don't really care about their existing userbase as much as apple does.
I highly doubt we will get 2.3, since thats what SGS2 comes with.
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I highly doubt we will get 2.3, since thats what SGS2 comes with.
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I am almost certain we'll get 2.3, it will just take time.
The Galaxy S is going to be a dominate seller in many markets for months to come, and some versions of it (like the Infuse) have yet to even ship.
We'll see Gingerbread, it will just take time.
Personally, I'm putting my faith in CM7 which is great already and only getting better.
well if u dont want still pictures CWM7 seems to be working perfectly fine and with gingerbread launcher its stock 2.3.2
We will get it.
I am sure, We will get 2.3 base ROM and of course , TouchWiz 4.0 as well ...
I think its the only way samsung can create base for TouchWiz users ...
Would be mistake if Samsung will not release 2.3 for SGS ... I am sure, 2.3 would be last update for SGS as well.
SGS 2 out followed by price drop on SGS 1 followed by 2.3 update .
jje
They will probably release an update after SGS2 will reach a certain amount of sale number.
i m gussng we will get android 2.4
Dont think so ...
But, we will get GingerBread with New thouchWiz .... It makes no sense to maintain two diff. TouchWiz for Same version of Android ... Too much efforts ...
Point is ... When will we get it ???
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SGS 2 out followed by price drop on SGS 1 followed by 2.3 update .
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I suspect you're right.
Samsung (from a sales point of view) would be stupid to give us all Gingerbread with Touchwiz 4.0 *right now*, as the only differential then to Galaxy S2 would be processor and screen. Samsung rightly want to push sales of the S2.
I'm guessing that once S2 has been out for a while (3 months say), then Samsung will release the pre-made Gingerbread firmwares for select older phones. As the Galaxy S has been (and will continue to be in lesser markets) a very strong sales device, I expect we'll then see Gingerbread on the S.
Of course, the reason Apple works in a different way is because to them everything is about keeping their userbase. They need to do this as there's no one else selling an iOS phone and so to protect their market share, they need to keep their users (reduce churn). Of course, from a sales perspective, they'd be *FAR* better off to never release an update for an older device; which is generally why you always find those updates are not-quite-so-good, or somewhat-slower than they need be on older devices.
(of course, there's nothing to stop some nice people leaking Samsung's dev. builds of Gingerbread for the Galaxy S)
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I suspect you're right.
Samsung (from a sales point of view) would be stupid to give us all Gingerbread with Touchwiz 4.0 *right now*, as the only differential then to Galaxy S2 would be processor and screen. Samsung rightly want to push sales of the S2.
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You are missing:
-more RAM
-21 Mbps quad-band HSPA+ radio
-better GPU
-thinner
It's a better phone.
Now Samsung should still release 2.3 for the Galaxy S if they want people to consider them as a reliable company supporting their products.
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It's a better phone.
Now Samsung should still release 2.3 for the Galaxy S if they want people to consider them as a reliable company supporting their products.
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Agreed.
They still have to release the source code which can then be ported to the SGS by other people. We don't know how easy that will be though.
I know a lot of people say they will avoid Samsung if they don't give proper updates and whatever, but they do use the best hardware in the phones.
The processors, GPUs, screens, sound processors... if only the quality of the software could match it.
All the phone manufacturers suck in their own ways. Motorola with their locked bootloaders and lack of updates (especially their non non-US phones), SE has that problem and lower end hardware in their phones, HTC sucks for sound quality and battery life, Nokia... well I shouldn't need to explain that
actually apple does the same through tricks.. you'll notice every major os + phone upgrade, the last phone upgrade sux balls
after 3-6month they provide an optimization update that makes the last phone perform properly.
they also voluntarily remove some software features (like wallpaper!!!) saying it needs "too much resources". Of course jail broken phone use these features on older phones without any problem.
Anyhow I wish some nice dudes leak the firmwares, too
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I don't think we will ever get 2.3 on our i9000 devices. Samsung wants us to buy their new phone to get 2.3. Samsung is not apple, they don't really care about their existing userbase as much as apple does.
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You are not really thinking that, right, RIGHT?
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We will get android 2.3 if it's not with a samsung update there's also another way But Samfirmware.com posted that samsung is testing android 2.3 on SGS
so maybe we will get an update, i hope
For Samsung not releasing 2.3 for SGS1 is like shooting them self in the leg.
They will lose me and many others who already think that the best phones to buy are only Google's branded ones.
Personally, I will not buy any Samsung phone again and I don't care how good it is if this is direction things are going on.
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Crossing fingers for CM team.
I think threatening samsung of never buying from them again won't work...
After a few years you will eventually forget about it, or they will release a really good phone that would make you forget...
Not threatening, applying.
There is a reason why I've dumped iphone and as long as apple won't change their ways they can forget about me and people that I know.
Same goes with samsung. Dumping their clients support won't make them any good.
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For Samsung not releasing 2.3 for SGS1 is like shooting them self in the leg.
They will lose me and many others who already think that the best phones to buy are only Google's branded ones.
Personally, I will not buy any Samsung phone again and I don't care how good it is if this is direction things are going on.
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What phone are you going to buy then? The current Google branded one is Samsung anyway, and HTC only supported phones like the hero for a short time too (it's stuck on 2.1).
Let me know how your Windows Mobile turns out..
Hello,
I joined the xda community about a year ago, first with my Htc Magic, then with my HD2. I have the opportunity to get a Samsung Galaxy Tab from some carrier for little extra money of my current Internet plan. And for 10 €/month more, I could get the new 10.1 version...
Although I do know that logically I should choose the 10.1, I still consider the 7'. Why ? Well, it would be cheaper at first. Then, I like the 7' size more and I'm not sure I would need Dual-Core processor for Internet surfing ! Also, the 10' model's phone app is blocked by the carrier, while it's not for the 7'...
But I digress !
Before to sign up to the plan, I'd like to take the pulse of the community. It's something I always do prior to purchasing a new device. I'm use to the HD2 orgy of Roms and OS and I must say that the less-furnished Development section for the Tab leaves me thinking. I don't doubt of the quaility of the ROMS but I wonder if devs are not already leaving the Tab's development for more recent Tablets and devices.
So...If you are a serial flasher like me, is the Tab a good invesmet ? I'd love to flash later CyanogenMod releases when there will be actual Tablet versions of it (for the moment, CM7 on a tablet is still in its early months) and of course Honeycomb or even better, Ice Cream Sandwhich. Will there be dev's at that moment ? Of course, I know it's not an easy question to answer but it's more about the community strengh until today actually...
Thanks and see you soon hopefully !
cm7 + tablet tweaks = win.
with roms, ill take quality over quantity, even tho there are only 3 2.3 roms, they are all badass.
the tab7 has been the best tech device ive ever owned, i have an ipad but it lives in the draw, its just way to big todo anything with other than using it in bed or on the toilet.
I suggest get the 7inch or wait for the new 7inch (who knows when that will come)
the only negative i have is that theres so many new devices out with dual core ect... but so far it hasnt stopped me from doing anything that these newer devices can do (you can play tegra games via chainfire) but eventually it will become an issue i guess.
The carrier matters.
More dev work is being done for the GSM variants at the moment. But spacemoose1 does have an alpha hc rom and dev continues in that.
Thank you for your anwser and I do agree about quality over quantity...
I'm aware of tablet tweaks from CM7, I already used them on my 4'3 HD2 screen but that not much in comparison of the many tweaks TouchWiz seems to bring to the Android 2.2 UI. Of course, overlay means slower device but oh well...
Is it possible to easily save/back up the stock Android Rom it will be shipped with in order to restore if I need to return it under warranty ?
Thanks !
DannyBiker said:
Thank you for your anwser and I do agree about quality over quantity...
I'm aware of tablet tweaks from CM7, I already used them on my 4'3 HD2 screen but that not much in comparison of the many tweaks TouchWiz seems to bring to the Android 2.2 UI. Of course, overlay means slower device but oh well...
Is it possible to easily save/back up the stock Android Rom it will be shipped with in order to restore if I need to return it under warranty ?
Thanks !
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Yeh, you can do a nandroid backup, or just find your stock firmware, from the website sam-firmware (i think thats it) or just brick it
Looking back in time,I remember how Samsung did some fabulous polishing work on Froyo 2.2.1 even after the release of the first GBs.I was glued to the last of the 2.2.1s before migrating to GB.
Between JVP to the leaked JVT,I see polish being added and now that ICS is just around the corner,Samsung must be able to release the full fury of GB---HOPEFULLY!
History has always repeated itself so let's hope for the best!
...so now it is here even though as a provider affair but a more common leak with multi CSC can't be far behind.more polished than XXJVT
Waiting for ICS. I don't think there will be major changes in next release.
i am also waiting for ICS
It's time not for a ROM but for a position from Samsung if Galaxy S will be getting ICS or not. They fooled me very much in buying this thing in the GPS department ( GSMArena also, with the review against Iphone 4 that praised this piece of crap stock software they loaded in this great hardware ). The least they could do is bring ICS to I9000. If they don't do this, then I am really, really sorry but Samsung and Android failed to me and I learned my lesson and no more Samsung or Android devices for me if they continue doing this.
WHY? Samsung has been one of the first manufactures that constantly updates their devices, obviously most of the updates are leaked, but thoos exist. Not like Sony Ericcson wich wasted months to develop GB to their xperia line.
I don't know the case of LG, Motorola, or others. But samsung and HTC are the best option (for me) on android, based on devices and updates.
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WHY? Samsung has been one of the first manufactures that constantly updates their devices, obviously most of the updates are leaked, but thoos exist. Not like Sony Ericcson wich wasted months to develop GB to their xperia line.
I don't know the case of LG, Motorola, or others. But samsung and HTC are the best option (for me) on android, based on devices and updates.
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I never expected this from Samsung
I really wonder if Sammy would update our phones to ICS. Not that i'm going to use samsung rom (they're so damn slow), it's just interesting.
ICS on Galaxy S? Why? We have hardware buttons, thanks to gods. I don't need another black line eating my screen space.
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ICS on Galaxy S? Why? We have hardware buttons, thanks to gods. I don't need another black line eating my screen space.
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Dude, if we become ICS it will look like GB, just with TW3. So no black lines. I think and I hobe that we get ICS, because Samsung will keep us as their Customers. And I'm the first who will buy a Samsung phone after my contract expires
+1 on ics...
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+1 need too...
http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entr...-S-Nexus-S-and-Galaxy-S-II-to-Android-4-0-ICS
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http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entr...-S-Nexus-S-and-Galaxy-S-II-to-Android-4-0-ICS
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The Galaxy S2 gets ICS, but the i9000 only get a rumour so far
im not pretty sure about this but i read some things about this 4.0.5 and it was said it was going to be released on i9000
4.0.5 said to be has a BIG performance fix..
i got this news from this link
http://www.androiddigit.com/samsung-galaxy-nexus-and-nexus-s-to-get-android-4-0-5-ics-in-march/
Galaxy Nexus and Nexus S
The news link clearly states only the galaxy nexus and nexus S. Plus it was abundantly made clear in older news posts around the net that the i9000 is not getting ICS and neither will it get the rumored Value pack. As I too am a i9000 user, it kinda sucks to know this
i know samsung said something like that...
but.. dude i think theres a big possibility due to this
Performance FIX thing.. because thats the only one stopping from galaxy S to ICS is Performance..
I'm no great shake on what appears to me to be French, but...
1) Your Article was written for the Nexus and Nexus S and not for the GT-I900Xx (a.k.a the Galaxy S)
2) Where the Article in question even mentions the Galaxy S (Some Table taken from a presumably French source), states quite clearly (even to a non French speaker like myself that the Galaxy S is to only get Android 2.3.6 (Presumably the Value Pack Version), release date February 2012 to be released over Kies.
To indirectly quote your Source it was a table of Official Updates for their current line of Phones.
So I fail to see where you misread this Article into thinking that the Galaxy S was somehow going to get an ICS Update, when Samsung have up to this point stressed that they would not, or could not officially update the GT-I900Xx do to whatever limitations between Touchwiz 3.0 and ICS.
**Edit** What Samsung we're not even gonna get the Value Pack now?
/r/ Sauce kthnxbye!
No chance! Wishful thinking at best. SGS is useless with its 512mb RAM. Either that or the software engineers at Samsung can only compile bloat. The latest iOS seems to function perfectly on iphone4 though. Split between whether i should wait for SGS3 or grab the next iphone and jailbreak the hell outta it. Hmm decisions decisions...
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im not pretty sure about this but i read some things about this 4.0.5 and it was said it was going to be released on i9000
4.0.5 said to be has a BIG performance fix..
i got this news from this link
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android 5 will performance soon ,seach the news...
U really think galaxy s1 will get Android 5?
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common guys...what makes you thinking that we'll get android 5?
Samsung will forget our phone, if he doesn't yet....
there's ported sgs2 ics firmware for sgs, it's on pre alpha state but its working very good, i'm using it right now
sgs has enough power to ics to work fine
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Samsung might forget us, but XDA devs won't! And if the unofficial ICS builds are any indication, our phone sure is powerful enough to handle ICS.
It sure does suck that we're not getting official ICS, but the awesome community here has infinitely improved my experience, so for that I'm glad and grateful.
Like Samsung is going to go trough the trouble of making an ICS version for a phone that is almost two years old.
I'd rather have them focus on creating top-notch software for my next phone..... The SGSIII......