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[Q] New to Smartwatches....many questions

Hey, Group...
Got my Gear 2 Neo a few months ago....I expected some "growing pains" out of a new system (and I haven't been disappointed)...but I guess my first question is:
Where The Aitch-Ee-Double-Toothpicks are the *SECONDS*?
Whose Bright Idea was it to eliminate those nasty, useless seconds from the Clock? (same people that want to get rid of the Penny, I'm betting)
This is a *WATCH*...not a *Sundial*!
I want to use one of the basic clocks...they are clean and easy to read...but unless I get some weird Retro LCD Clockface...or an Analog...I can't seem to get *seconds*....It's obviously possible *to* display them (other faces have 'em)...why not the Stock Clock? What gives??? (*pant*pant*pant*)....okay...I'm a little better, now.
But seriously...I repair Medical equipment for a living; that often relies on synchronized data.....I need to be able to set those devices *accurately*...not "Aww...plus-or-minus a couple of minutes is fine!"
So...that's the first question (okay...I guess it was more of a Rant *blushes*)....the Second Question is.....is there anyplace to actually *interact* with the Tizen Devs? I went to the Tizen site...and I thought they made it pretty clear that if you're not a Dev...they really don't want to hear from you.)
Ive got nothing against Hacking (running People's ROM on my Galaxy S3)...but if you don't *need* to hack it...why bother?
Okay...next ones are regarding Apps (or the lack thereof):
Does anyone know of an App that will turn *off* the Inertia Sensor for a specific period of time? Specifically, I'd like to wear my Neo to bed...but every time I move in my sleep, it turns on, and ticks my wife off...so turning the Intertia sensor off between, say, 10PM and 6AM would be *awesome*! (Obviously, turning it on from the "Home" Button would still work)
And...I know this is an Issue...because I've seen some other posts about it, but no Solutions....is there a way to make the Weather app update more than twice a day? I flat *cannot* force it to update, unless I reset *everything* (Watch and phone)
I guess the corollary to that question is: Do any of you guys know of anyone Developing a Weather App *besides* AccuWeather? (I'd *love* to see WeatherBug do one...but that prolly won't happen...they can't fit Ads onto the Watch face...)
Thanks in advance, guys (and gals)...I'm really not a raving lunatic (most of the time) :silly:

I can't address all these issues but generally seconds are left off of stock watch faces to save battery. I just turned off the motion action altogether because the watch turned on at very weird times whether I was sleeping or not. I got used to using the button to see the time very quickly.
I know that is not a help but there you are.
Fred

The Weather channel has an app for the watch, although it doesn't have the option of adding it to the clock "window".
I use the sleep tracker at night and it has an option to have it turn on Block mode and that keeps the watch from coming on when moving in your sleep, as well as coming on for any notifications from your phone.
not sure on the Tizen development question though.

Battery Saving with Deep Sleep Battery Saver

So, I know the whole discussion around task-killers and Android - let's try and avoid that here.
I rediscovered this app last week, I had an old version but it updated from Playstore. I stopped using task killers a long time ago, but I'd forgotten that the approach Deep Sleep Battery Saver takes is slightly different: it makes sure that the phone is REALLY asleep when the screen is off.
Now people have said that it's wake locks clash with Android own.
I went ahead and tried it on the highest setting - slumber - and it's fantastic in both my P7 & P6, and also on my Lg2.
The only thing I have to remember is that when I'm downloading files that take longer than say, 2mins, I have to change my screen-on time to accommodate, otherwise it will stop the download as soon the screen goes off.
I found this is a small thing to remember given the battery savings.
I mean the difference is sooo large I can't tell you.
I put it down to this - we all have a variety of apps on our phones and we really don't know what keeps running in the background.
The Huawei Music app for example, is notorious, as is the Camera ago on the Lg2.
Deep Sleep Battery Saver shuts everything down, period. And it works. I'm absolutely stunned by how much later into the night I can use my phones with a single charge in the morning.
It's a little like GREENIFY but as I don't root my phones anymore, this was a great alternative.
Actually even better is that I don't have to go through my entire list of apps picking and choosing.
I just select SLUMBERER.
The results have been so fantastic on my P6 & P7, that I had to share.
The Lg2 is great with battery WHATEVER you through at it.
The P6 & P7 are gorgeous phones - with anemic batteries...it's always been the case.
With this app, I have discovered a while new sense of respect and use for my P6&P7.
Of course, once your actually using the phone, the drain is as fast as always, it's just that the savings you make in between are phenomenal.
Just saying.
DS Battery Saver can be found FREE on playstore.
Sent from my HUAWEI P7-L10 using XDA Premium HD app
P.S. Oh! Just remember to turn off 'enable logging' in settings-general, leave the 'show persistent notifications' ticked in notifications& language, and turn off ALL the 'battery notifications' in notification& language.
Those are the things responsible for wake-locks.

To save battery it works quite well indeed and I thank you for that. The only tiny issue is that I don't receive the calls anymore, only a text that says that somebody tried to reach me. No ring, no move, just missing calls. I could also turn off my phone to save battery...

goby92 said:
To save battery it works quite well indeed and I thank you for that. The only tiny issue is that I don't receive the calls anymore, only a text that says that somebody tried to reach me. No ring, no move, just missing calls. I could also turn off my phone to save battery...
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I receive ALL my phone calls, ALL my texts, as they are, when they come in, as usual, asap, otherwise what's the point.
My email, Facebook, whatsapp etc comes in soon as I turn on my screen.
The App doesn't touch your ability to make OR receive calls EVER. Something else is going on with you.
Sent from my HUAWEI P7-L10 using XDA Premium HD app

This app is extremely useless once you install an anti-theft program.
When you install this program, programs like Cerberus, Kaspersky Internet Security anti-theft function or Lookout won't work as they should when you lose your phone (and the screen is off).

vEEGAZ said:
This app is extremely useless once you install an anti-theft program.
When you install this program, programs like Cerberus, Kaspersky Internet Security anti-theft function or Lookout won't work as they should when you lose your phone (and the screen is off).
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Yes.
If you're using an always on, anti-theft application, you're not really worried about conserving battery.
This app works if you need to get more life out of your charge.
Alot more.
That's how it works.
Sent from my LG-D802 using XDA Premium HD app

Does it stop alarm clock from working?
I really hope it doesn't...

GawDroid said:
Does it stop alarm clock from working?
I really hope it doesn't...
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No it doesn't actually! The alarm clock over rides everything short of actually switching your phone off... And in some ANDROIDS even this isn't enough.
You'll be awoken, don't worry.
You'll also be amazed at the amount of battery life you suddenly have... I'm loving it! Just don't forget the p.s. end of post #1
Sent from my LG-D802 using XDA Premium HD app

kolembo said:
No it doesn't actually! The alarm clock over rides everything short of actually switching your phone off... And in some ANDROIDS even this isn't enough.
You'll be awoken, don't worry.
You'll also be amazed at the amount of battery life you suddenly have... I'm loving it! Just don't forget the p.s. end of post #1
Sent from my LG-D802 using XDA Premium HD app
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Thanks, I can confirm everything is working as intended.

One Marshmallow user's impressions

http://tomhorsley.com/rants/doze-mode.html
I'm definitely reverting back to 5.1.1 when I get the time and energy to fool with it .

sounds like that was written by someone who hasn't even tried marshmallow yet. I have yet to experience any missed notifications, alarms or any issues relating to time in any way. If some apps are being affected by this then its a sign to the developer to fix their ****ty code because all of my apps relating to time at all have been working just fine and alot of them are still the same version they were on lollipop. Doze has improved my batter significantly. It sounds like this article was probably written by a developer who cant code properly and instead of improving his skills he'd rather complain and convince everyone to stay away from updates because he is unwilling to evolve. Even the article looks like it was written in paint...

I had indeed a wrong time bug some days ago...really strange and worrying, a reboot fixed it. First time ever since Android Froyo that I experienced something like that.

That author seems to think that Marshmallow's Doze is a horrible thing that breaks all apps that rely on background services, namely alarms and notifications, and couldn't possibly be fixed in 10 years (rather than a few months) due to Google's horrible mistake (rather than devs not fixing their code).
Frankly, it sounds like a bunch of hyperbole.
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He's wrong about how doze works. And if he's in the camp that doesn't understand it nor wants to rewrite his app. Then yeh he's the idiot group that Google is targeting and was writing garbage code anyway.

lol complete nonsense, my alarm has worked everyday since i flashed M, even on dev previews...the only issues i have with M are really the "slow to connect wifi when using toggles" and the weird wifi consumption on battery stats

Another annoying issue on M is that if your leave your phone longer in standby mode (display off), wifi turns off and you stop recieving notifications until you turn your phone on again. This is with wifi set to "never turn off", etc.

Kustaa said:
I had indeed a wrong time bug some days ago...really strange and worrying, a reboot fixed it. First time ever since Android Froyo that I experienced something like that.
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This actually happened with me a couple of days back, I was travelling, so I put my phone connected to a power bank and went for a nap, woke up to see phone switched off, switching it on throws me a 2nd September date set on my device. Had to manually set the date as no network was available to automatically set the date from servers.
Ubichinon said:
Another annoying issue on M is that if your leave your phone longer in standby mode (display off), wifi turns off and you stop recieving notifications until you turn your phone on again. This is with wifi set to "never turn off", etc.
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This I had been noticing these days just because of WhatsApp Web. When in standby, WhatsApp Web shows phone not connected error. Just waking the phone reconnects to the WiFi, but happens every 30-40mins.

I have a feeling that folks who never see these problems have their phones charging at night and doze mode doesn't happen when you are charging. I have no convenient way to charge my phone near my bed, so it is not charging and totally idle all night. Email and messaging completely stops. Only the stock alarm clock works. My medication reminder stops working. It might as well be turned off completely. Plus when you do wake up and turn on the phone, all the pent up alerts come through and scare the hell out of you. I hate doze mode.

Settings -> Battery -> ... (menu)-> Battery Optimization --> All apps --> Select whatsapp, etc... and select not optimized.
Test again.
You're welcome.

I already disabled optimization in the battery settings for all the apps that weren't working. They still don't work after sitting overnight. It looks as if that setting has absolutely no effect.

Claghorn said:
I already disabled optimization in the battery settings for all the apps that weren't working. They still don't work after sitting overnight. It looks as if that setting has absolutely no effect.
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This is a real problem. I tested this on a Nexus 5. The device seems to enter Doze after about 1 hour and this is what happens.
What does work in Doze mode:
- Telephone: call can be heard.
- Alarm: alarm can be heard
What does NOT work in Doze mode:
- Receiving mail notifications directly: it seems to wait for the maintenance window. There is no "ping" from my GMail. No lock screen notification until I picked it up. I turned off battery optimalization as suggested. Like Claghorn says, it doesn't make a difference. When I was sleeping, the time difference between sending the mail and getting a notification can be hours. That is not acceptable: I want to determine whether or not I get a message. I got no control over Doze, except plugging it in. Also, when it sits on the desk at work I need to pick it up or turn the screen on every so often, because I don't know if it "dozed" off again.
Works partially:
- Notification light: It works once mail passes through the maintenance window. It does NOT work before the maintenance window.
I tested all of this with a unrooted, updated Nexus 5. Topic Starter and Claghorn have good points. Why can't I turn this off? I don't want this. I want notification on time, with ping, right now. If I don't I will turn the volume off or set priorities. They could have told me this behavior in a mail or during the update. Important mail from work, family comes in hours late. Not happy with this at all.
Tried all sorts of things, nothing seems to help. And no, battery optimalization is either not enough or has nothing to do with it. I love the Nexus 5. Marshmallow seems to be much smoother than Lollipop. I was happy with the update until I discovered this. Now, I am fustrated. I expect the phone to inform me when I need to be informed. Most days I don't need to save 10% of power anyway. For the first time I want to either root the phone and go back to Lollipop or even Kitkat. I don't know what else can be done. Fustrated.

Dennis de Swart said:
This is a real problem. I tested this on a Nexus 5. The device seems to enter Doze after about 1 hour and this is what happens.
What does work in Doze mode:
- Telephone: call can be heard.
- Alarm: alarm can be heard
What does NOT work in Doze mode:
- Receiving mail notifications directly: it seems to wait for the maintenance window. There is no "ping" from my GMail. No lock screen notification until I picked it up. I turned off battery optimalization as suggested. Like Claghorn says, it doesn't make a difference. When I was sleeping, the time difference between sending the mail and getting a notification can be hours. That is not acceptable: I want to determine whether or not I get a message. I got no control over Doze, except plugging it in. Also, when it sits on the desk at work I need to pick it up or turn the screen on every so often, because I don't know if it "dozed" off again.
Works partially:
- Notification light: It works once mail passes through the maintenance window. It does NOT work before the maintenance window.
I tested all of this with a unrooted, updated Nexus 5. Topic Starter and Claghorn have good points. Why can't I turn this off? I don't want this. I want notification on time, with ping, right now. If I don't I will turn the volume off or set priorities. They could have told me this behavior in a mail or during the update. Important mail from work, family comes in hours late. Not happy with this at all.
Tried all sorts of things, nothing seems to help. And no, battery optimalization is either not enough or has nothing to do with it. I love the Nexus 5. Marshmallow seems to be much smoother than Lollipop. I was happy with the update until I discovered this. Now, I am fustrated. I expect the phone to inform me when I need to be informed. Most days I don't need to save 10% of power anyway. For the first time I want to either root the phone and go back to Lollipop or even Kitkat. I don't know what else can be done. Fustrated.
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A quick suggestion -
You may use Doze Mode Editor and edit the script so that your phone never enters Doze mode.
That way you can enjoy Marshmallow without Doze.
Sent from my Nexus 5

Achilles. said:
A quick suggestion -
You may use Doze Mode Editor and edit the script so that your phone never enters Doze mode.
That way you can enjoy Marshmallow without Doze.
Sent from my Nexus 5
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Thanks, I will look into that. I'd like to keep Mashmallow as a whole if possible. I think it is a good update in general.

OK, I've looked at the doze mode editor thread and I find that the descriptions of the parameters I can set to be totally confusing, however, the flowchart pointed at in that thread seems to indicate that if I set the "inactive_to" value to something like 24 hours, then all the other doze mode nonsense is unlikely to ever happen (because I'll probably turn on my phone at least once every 24 hours). Does that seem like the best way to essentially turn off doze mode?

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OK, I've looked at the doze mode editor thread and I find that the descriptions of the parameters I can set to be totally confusing, however, the flowchart pointed at in that thread seems to indicate that if I set the "inactive_to" value to something like 24 hours, then all the other doze mode nonsense is unlikely to ever happen (because I'll probably turn on my phone at least once every 24 hours). Does that seem like the best way to essentially turn off doze mode?
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I will look into this over the weekend. I find it odd that there isn't simply a switch to turn Doze off, which is a pity. It seems to me it's part of saving energy in general. A switch under Battery would do nicely. It should not be this complicated. That said, I think the UI of Marshmallow is silky smooth, much better than Lollipop. Marshmallow in general in good. It' just this that annoys me.

i'm baffled by google's aversion to end user config. This kind of b.s. is how I found xda and drove me to become a chronic flashaholic. All or nothin I guess.

ElwOOd_CbGp said:
i'm baffled by google's aversion to end user config. This kind of b.s. is how I found xda and drove me to become a chronic flashaholic. All or nothin I guess.
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I get the feeling Google assumes the customer is a developer. A few examples:
- The Nexus 5 does have a notification light: I didn't know until I read 5 reviews and even then I couldn't find any documentation on it. Needed an external app to get it working.
- Battery indicator: I like to have small numbers indicating battery charge: it could be done by hacking KitKat and Lollipop I think. Then at Marshmallow finally there's a (hidden) switch.
- I don't recall having any user guide in the Nexus 5 package. Not that I needed one. But some landing page doing a walkthrough would have been nice. Although there are some walkthroughs in every app
Not fatal flaws, but you wonder why does it need to be that difficult. It scares people away. Not me. I handed the Nexus 5 to some friends on numerous occasions and most found it too "empty". As for me, I want all developer stuff on. So it suprised me, there is no Doze fine tuning. Again, overall I give the Nexus a 8 or 9 out of 10. It fits me. In general I like it. So it's just constructive criticism. The empty layout and raw speed of the Nexus 5 works good in development of apps afterall.

Last night I ran an adb command (generated by the doze mode editor app) to set inactive_to to 24 hours (86400000 milliseconds). I then set an alarm for the next morning in the "Alarm Clock Plus" app (which completely ceased to function after Marshmallow showed up). This morning, the alarm actually went off on time, but the big "Dismiss" button it draws on the screen was totally non-functional. I had to hit the power button to get control (which then caused a popup saying alarm clock plus was non-responsive). I have no idea what caused all that behavior, but at least the alarm actually went off.
Also, with doze mode essentially disabled (in theory anyway), the power dropped from 100% in the evening all the way down to 97% in the morning.

With the exception to facebook and game type apps, Google's apps are the only ones I find that excessively waste resourxes and need to be forced to sleep. If they would get off the constant location polling, media scanning, and logging or at least tone it down a bit some they wouldnt need to implement thier half baked versions of solutions that they hijacked from xda devs

Deactivate power saving

Maybe you guys can help me, because the P30 Pro is driving me nuts. How on earth do I get it to stop saving power?! If I wanted a phone that only does single tasking and isn't able to do anything in the background, I'd get a Nokia 3210.
For example: I'm listening to music in the car. Then I pause the music playback via my in car controls. After a few minutes I want to continue, so I press play. What happens? Nothing. The music app stopped running, because Huawei thought it is absolutely necessary to achieve 2 days of battery life. Here's a trick for you if you want to achieve that: Turn off the phone! I'd rather have half a day than something that is this useless. It gets worse. I use an app to warn me about speed cameras. Well, it doesn't work on the P30 Pro. Because even when I go to the settings and go to the app, then details about battery usage, and then tell it to continue running in the background... the app doesn't get any GPS information in the background. Which is bad enough to begin with. It NEEDS to run in the foreground. As soon as it is in the background... IF it even keeps running, because it usually doesn't, despite me telling it to... no GPS, no function. I'm also using a GPS Logger for my photography. Guess what: Doesn't work on the P30 Pro. Because the app just won't run in the background. I've even set the phone to the power mode. Jup, doesn't help.
What. The. Hell.
How can anyone live with this sort of insane "optimization"? If Huawei had ONE place where we can RELIABLY tell it which apps to keep running in the background, and maybe a setting where it just doesn't optimize at all, then great. But this...?
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Ok, so I did find ANOTHER setting, well hidden, under Apps, then Apps, then the three dots, special access, battery optimization, then select all apps. And THEN are you able to AGAIN tell it not to optimize. Why is this so hidden? And why aren't users, like, warned? Normally, you can reasonably expect your apps to run in the background. And you can rely on it. If the phone does not want to behave that way, tell me. Then I can say if I want this behavior or not.
Ok, some more testing, and... some apps just won't keep running in the background. They just won't. Any ideas? They work on other phones. I've never had a phone they didn't. But the P30 Pro... no chance. Screen goes off or I go to a different app... and goodbye.

you can read it here, its for mate20pro, but it works for p30 aswell
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-20-pro/themes/remove-powergenie-to-allow-background-t3890409

Cool, thank you.
I did try a bit further, and without changing anything else, it looks like after a couple of restarts and some more attempts of running the apps in the background, the phone is starting to behave. Still no final verdict, but it's getting better. If it's still too annoying, I'll try the Power Genie thing.

Disabling Power genie has finally fixed my Softphone problem. it finally keeps running in the background to receive my business numbers.

Random Ringtone Playing, No Notification Sent

It's not saved as one of the ringtone or notification sounds on my phone.
It does not do any type of notification I have already tried notification sniffers and it does not do any type of notification at all.
I kill all apps, turn of the screen, nothing can stop it from playing the entire toon for about 45 seconds.
I have posted on several boards but cant figure it out.
I've attached the audio that I recorded of it playing.
They did tell me to run a bug report directly after it happened which I did. They told me to upload it to battery historian: https://bathist.ef.lc/
But I can't figure out what to do once I upload it or how to parse the information.
audio sound:
Dropbox - File Deleted - Simplify your life
www.dropbox.com

Does the sound play at any specific time or is it at least once a day or something?
Usual practice is to see what your most recent apps were, as one of them may be causing this. You might even check for latest updated apps, because it could be something added by a new feature/update.
If that's not finding an issue, you might boot into safe mode and seeing if the noise stops happening - this would indicate that an app is causing it. Alternatively, maybe uninstalling all other apps is a good place to start. If it goes away, then add apps back (maybe a few at a time, to make it easier) and monitor for when it comes back.
I'm not familiar with that Battery Historian app, but it seems interesting. If you can identify when the sound happened, it should line up with the "audio" events shown in the graph. I assume there's some way to zoom in on that graph, so maybe you can see what happened during that time, and help narrow down a possible app that could be causing this.

thanks so much for your reply.
The sound happens so infrequently, the last time it happened was 2 weeks ago. Sometimes it might happen 3 or 4 times in 1 day. And the phone use and app use are static and have not changed. Same phone use every single day. It's impossible to figure out it seems.
It's so frustrating.
I ran the bug report directly after the sound played so the end of the historian file is when it happened and looking at the "audio" I do see something there that played for 59s which is about right for how long the audio is.
But I can't figure out any info about the audio besides what is on the tooltip.
Maybe someone knows more about this battery historian.

Bug report for who? If you're just throwing out a but report to an app or even the OS, chances are that it will be ignored as irrelevant, unless you can convince the place you're reporting it that this is something they are causing... I'm guessing that report is not going to do what you think it is.
I don't see how battery historian is going to help, so maybe you need to pursue the thread which recommended it. I did a quick search and I don't see how that app will help identify the problem.
One other idea I saw was that maybe a browser tab is generating the noise. Websites can sometimes provide notifications and such, if you allow them to. I never do, but I can imagine that as a source of noise.
In the end, this is likely an app that you have. You just have to remove as many as you can, and see if it goes away. If it doesn't then you can look deeper at your remaining apps. If it does, then the job is easier and you just need to add them back in (if you still want them) until it comes back. Since it's so infrequent, it's going to be difficult to have happen... but I doubt it's an OS-level problem otherwise others would have the same issue.

thanks for your response and I have been trying to do that but it has not worked so far and that is why I am posting here.
Something on my phone is firing this sound and if you are telling me there is no way for me to figure it out from some type of log, then I have to tell you that you are wrong.
Everything that is done on Android there is a record of I just need to figure out how to read this record.

Not everything is always logged with any OS or app. There are settings to set log-levels higher or lower. Most apps set only "warning" or "error" level logs, generally speaking. There are often ways to increase this, but it's not there by default for sure... I wouldn't expect a sound activity to be logged by default as it's not an error.
But, if you know better than me, then I'm sorry I can't be more helpful. I will stay out of it going forward. I would love to hear how you find it, because it's great information for anyone on XDA (and I would certainly like to know as well).