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All locked bootloader possibilties asside, in the best possible senario I'd like to know if the webtop could be replaced by a full Debian (or other distro) install without messing up the way it merges with Android and the 10 foot gui.
Now obviously with the phone still waiting to be released I can't and won't expect an actual answer till some devs can get their hands on a rom. So for now, I just want to hear people's opinions on the matter.
Good idea? Bad idea? Waste of a thread? IMPOSSIBLE PIPE DREAM?! What do you guys think?
Motorola reps have indicated that the Webtop environment is Debian based, the Firefox about window mentions Ubuntu - either way I'm hoping the dpkg package manager is present and adding software is as easy as getting root on the device and then adding some packages. If I can do that I won't care about a "full distro" install, I just want to add a few packages for software I'm interested in. And doing so shouldn't interfere with the custom window manager / webtop features.
If dpkg works this would be great.
I think replacing the distro would be complicated cause a lot of features would go missing. For example the freezing of the session.
One thing I don't understand is why Firefox is used instead of Chrome...
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I'm guessing it's because of Firefox's lower memory footprint when dealing with lots of tabs. Hard to say though. I'd prefer Chrome, but Firefox does make some sense in this environment.
The desktop version of Chrome requires an x86/amd64 processor for the V8 Javascript engine. Obviously there are Android / ARM versions of Chrome in existence but you would need to do some porting / tweaking to get the high-performance Javascript engine working, which is one of the main reasons people like Chrome. So I'm sure it was much easier to just take the work Ubuntu had already done to get Firefox running on Linux/ARM.
I wonder if a ChromeOS port could be posible...?
I really think that Ubuntu 's focus on the new touchscreen interface is going to end up being used a lot in something like this in other Android phones and tablets.
I'm currently writing an article about the Atrix for Techerator.com and I think it's going to give some good insight into what the future holds. Check it out in a week or so.
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Rastor said:
The desktop version of Chrome requires an x86/amd64 processor for the V8 Javascript engine. Obviously there are Android / ARM versions of Chrome in existence but you would need to do some porting / tweaking to get the high-performance Javascript engine working, which is one of the main reasons people like Chrome. So I'm sure it was much easier to just take the work Ubuntu had already done to get Firefox running on Linux/ARM.
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You already have webkit in a standard android environment.
If the target arch is armv7+vfp ++, then v8 is on by default.
A full blown chromium would only, probably make sense for a tablet, but not for a phone.
Thanks for correcting me! That's good to know.
I would think full-blown Chromium makes as much sense as full-blown Firefox, which is included.
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Thanks for correcting me! That's good to know.
I would think full-blown Chromium makes as much sense as full-blown Firefox, which is included.
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I agree. Not to mention the convenience of Google Sync.
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I wonder if it will run java?
(MINECRAFT!!!)
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tiwey said:
I wonder if it will run java?
(MINECRAFT!!!)
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I need Java, I'd love to be able to run TunerStudioMS to play with the standalone in my car ( danger to the manifold )
sigh... okay lets make a list
Ubuntu
Pros
never need to bother with drivers
can read all file formats
no viruses? (who gets these anyway lol)
connects to a new wifi the first time, without the need to reset computer 2-3 times
picture gallery has built in .GIF support
loads way faster
Cons
no where near as much support
hard to find stuff for
if you have a problem, nobody irl even knows what it is
all of your favorite programs dont exist for it
youve used windows your whole life, and can pretty much fix everything yourself
PROS
ubuntu is singled handedly the most supported open source OS with the largest community
Easy to find your favourite Apps alternative (you will never find the same, else they will be paid and not open source)
no need to worry about licensing
CONS
not as much popular Apps development available as Android
just browse or post some question in the ubuntu forums, you'll get answer pretty quickly
soraxd said:
someone sell me on ubuntu..
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I didn't realise Ubuntu was a market platform, but I'll try and sell you if you like. If that's you in your avatar then it should be no problem
I use ubuntu all time, only using windows for games. The main reason is because it's very fast, and stays that. Windows becomes slow after time of usage. And it's much more stable.
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MarioWaza said:
I use ubuntu all time, only using windows for games. The main reason is because it's very fast, and stays that. Windows becomes slow after time of usage. And it's much more stable.
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same here
most games i play in Ubuntu using Wine or VM session
very few games i need to boot back to Win7 to play
Linux & Ubuntu has come a loooooooooong way.
and Ubuntu keeps assimilating most of the nice features found in Android
Do you run two hd's or what is the favored set up? I run a live CD at times but never stay on it long due to compatibility issues...I'm in college and the website isn't friendly with Linux so far.
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Do you run two hd's or what is the favored set up? I run a live CD at times but never stay on it long due to compatibility issues...I'm in college and the website isn't friendly with Linux so far.
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i've yet to find see a website that can not be viewed in Linux
99% pages plays & render just fine on Firefox
the other 1% (IE only pages) they run great on Google Chrome
flash & java everything runs great as well
Well I only use my computer for videos, downloading, music, coding, editing and Internet. Ubuntu has all of that for me, plus the fact it isn't a hungry fat man eating my computer. If I were a gamer though, I'd Prolly stick with windows.
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How many here use linux as their main OS?
As an ahead, please, no OS bashing. I would just like to know how many of you use linux as your day to day OS. Me, I've used just about everything out there, but these days I've settled on Ubuntu. It has worked perfectly for me for years, so I stay with it. You?
I'm using Archlinux with Openbox as my default OS: fast, really fast!
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I'm using Archlinux with Openbox as my default OS: fast, really fast!
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Yeah, using just about any distro with openbox is usually fast.
PC Windows, Laptop Ubuntu
dual boot win7 64 bit and Ubuntu 64 bit
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dual boot win7 64 bit and Ubuntu 64 bit
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Same here but spend most of my time on Windows. Wine doesn't quite cut it yet.
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Unless I need PS or Reason I use Ubuntu....
I'm even liking Unity now
Not sure Ubuntu actually counts as Linux though to the hardcore folks....
I mainly use Ubuntu for almost everything. For gaming, I use Windows 7.
I'm using Ubuntu 11.10 and trying to get used to Unity... I think they made big mistake by removing Classic desktop and forcing Unity. Probably I'll change distro soon.
Ubuntu is my main OS for years.
I used to use Kubuntu as my OS because I like the way it works, its really stable and fast and using less resources then Windows 7, I tried the recent Opensuse 12.1 version and Kubuntu version, they are both good.
But because I don't wish to dual boot and I need Windows 7 for playing games like cod I'm right now using Windows 7 and that is mainly because one application called QQ which doesnt have video chat in Linux and of course I got the resources for running a virtual Windows xp for that app, but I think its not worth it.
But if games and that app where working then I would use Linux as my main os, but I also have an legal license off Windows 7 home premium and I consider Windows 7 as an very good operating system so in fact I like using it because it works good.
But i'm for sure not going use Windows 8, right now I consider Windows 7 stable and fast ( I got an SSD ) but I guess if I didnt need use QQ that then when I quit gaming that I could use Linux, but its because my gf, I need to adjust to her and webQQ is troublesome with video chat.
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I think they made big mistake by removing Classic desktop and forcing Unity.
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Gnome classic is back with Ubuntu 12.04
Ubuntu 11.10 with Gnome Shell.
I use arch, windows just for play games here
Triple booting windows 8 consumer preview, mountain lion, and Ubuntu 12.04.
I use lion the most (for school) then windows for gaming, and Ubuntu when windows upsets me (which it hasn't lately) windows 8 is pretty nice
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Here users can share information, ask doubts or question some other existing Linux users for queries.
Users are requested not to post irrelevant things in the thread.
Logs can be posted on www.pastebin.com
Grr I still have a grind with wubi then a grub update. Have they fixed it?
AOKP 4 LYF
Btw for my problem it's rtl 8111/8168 :/
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i posted this on the other topic http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=23534574&postcount=28
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To me it wont matter at all, as i'm still forced to use Windows in the office, but on the personal level
all my PCs and Laptops are on LinuxMint or Ubuntu, or some other dedicated server versions of Debian or FreeBSD, like my home made load balancing router with pFsense, and FreeNAS
They work better if not waaaaaaaaaaaay better than Windows XP, Vista, 7 and most definitely 8
now the latest version of Ubuntu can even run on Android Phones, which makes it even better
there are also native phone version of Ubuntu as well
I've been using Linux since Win9x times, that when Linux was still mostly command lines and ugly X11 GUI
Also if you are a Gamer, YES, Linux does work with Windows Games, it's not plug and play easy as on Windows, but is getting there, just install Wine, or your favourite Emulator for whatever you need to get the game running.
You also got the free virtual box, so you can run technically anything you want in your Linux box
very few games lik only those annoying MMORPG that have security anti hacking protection, will require to be installed in a virtual Windows, as they are not able to compatible in Linux
Most games installs and plays just fine in Wine
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so feel free to ask
however, i must say, chances are you'll get help faster on the relevant distro forum, than here on XDA for Linux related questions
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i posted this on the other topic http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=23534574&postcount=28
so feel free to ask
however, i must say, chances are you'll get help faster on the relevant distro forum, than here on XDA for Linux related questions
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Hmm.. sure .. anyways the solution has been given to me by GOogle
Not me... i dual boot windows 7 x64 and ubuntu
Your Ubuntu, your way
Enjoy the simplicity of Ubuntu's stylish, intuitive interface. Fast, secure and with thousands of apps to choose from, Ubuntu gives you a clean and streamlined experience that you can really make your own.
Ubuntu is brilliant. It's no wonder our users ask how all this can be free. The answer is simple.It’s open source.
Our global community is made up of thousands of people who want to help build the best open-source operating system in the world. They share their time and skills to make sure that Ubuntu keeps getting better and better. From IBM to Google, Firefox to Wikipedia – some of today's best software is based on an open-source model. Shared efforts. Shared principles. No cost.
Why carry two devices, when you could carry only one? Your next high-end smartphone has far more horsepower than you’ll need on a phone, and more than enough for a laptop. So we’ve brought Android together with Ubuntu, the world’s favourite free operating system, to give you a full productivity desktop that fits in your pocket. Android for the phone experience, Ubuntu for the desktop, all on one device, running at the same time.
So forget the office PC. Just dock your corporate phone and enjoy Ubuntu. Anywhere. One address book. One set of bookmarks. One place for your text messages and email. No more typing on a tiny screen when all you want is a keyboard and a mouse. Seamless integration of your desktop and mobile worlds. Brilliant.
Why use Ubuntu?
Ubuntu is far more than an operating system. With thousands of applications to choose from, it’s completely free and easy to use.
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Ubuntu comes with all the support you need and powers the most popular computers - on servers, desktops, notebooks and netbooks and Android phones.
Ubuntu comes with a ready-made community dedicated to building and promoting free systems and software. Join us.
Here is a excellent video from XDA TV at WMC 2012 YOU MUST WATCH THIS: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kipBNiBtjmQ&hd=1
OK now that I’ve got that over and done with, I have got the Android software to run on our Arc, It is actually runs on the same Android kernel as Android , which means you can run Ubuntu and switch to Android and back to Ubuntu.
This is a large image and with the problem with hosts I have decided to upgrade my dropbox account, so that the download will be simple and because of that I will not have a download count, so if you download please click thanks and this will give me an idea of how many downloads have been.
Requirements: Root access no need for unlocked bootloader.
Installation:
You have to download Android VNC viewer free from the market also the terminal app, So first download https://rapidshare.com/files/1497399130/UBUNTU.rar
preferably on your computers and unzip it to a folder on your desktop called UBUNTU, then copy the folder onto the root of the root of your sdcard, that’s it
Now open your terminal and type (_=space)
$Su
#cd_/sdcard/ubuntu
#sh_ubuntu.sh
That’s it may take a while to complete, have a cup of coffee.
Now open vnc viwer
Nickname : ubuntu
Password :ubuntu
Address : localhost
Port :5900
Colour format :24-bit color
Just press connect and that’s you with Ubuntu, I use OTG cable for wireless keyboard and mouse dongle and HDMI cable to my tv, I now have a 43 inch tv computer which works great with keyboard and mouse.
Remember if you download please tick thanks.
Or if you want to buy me a cold beer just klick the donate button.
Reserved
Reserved for future
Wow, nice work man! Will try it later.
Nice. I want to try it on my tv. Can't download now, download link says your account is disabled due to high traffic. Sigh.
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I followed this tutorial to install Ubuntu on my Arc few months back : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1390351
Lightweight image is also available to download in that thread.
Just want to say it broke many Neo USB connectivity
This was Neo though
Great work op
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Thanks man appreciate, but I have to root my baby first damn .62 firmware
didnt anantshri already post it for X10?
DooMLoRD said:
didnt anantshri already post it for X10?
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No Doom don't think so, I have not given anyone this code, unless he's released it in the last 2hrs, (lol)
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This can be achieved using the Ubuntu Installer available in Android Market.
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What happens if the kernel is not compatible?
dugzino said:
What happens if the kernel is not compatible?
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All dooms kernels work and ICS beta kernel.
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When I type in the terminal emulator it can't find the sdcard/Ubuntu folder and I checked it from root explorer it is there! I am on fxp 111 cm9 please help
Thanks
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Check if you have mounted the sdcard
cd /mnt/sdcard
If you are unable to change directory then note down the absolute location of the folder using root explorer.
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Does someone already tested it??
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Does someone already tested it??
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Works great for me, good work +briandevlin, it was that easy, I thought Id missed something.
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nice. Its just the same way as BT5 from anantshri for the x10. Do like Ubuntu but can't wait for the official code to be released for our awesome devs to get working on our beloved xperias.
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nice. Its just the same way as BT5 from anantshri for the x10. Do like Ubuntu but can't wait for the official code to be released for our awesome devs to get working on our beloved xperias.
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Nice to see you about Sammy, all ok with you?
Rapidshare is a nightmare!!!I'm still waiting to download it from yesterday!!!The connection dropped once
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Rapidshare is a nightmare!!!I'm still waiting to download it from yesterday!!!The connection dropped once
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Will put mirror soon.
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On the Indiegogo page for the Ubuntu Edge, you can see a video of a proof of concept for the Ubuntu Desktop.
She used an app on a stock Nexus 4 (if I remember correctly, she says AOSP) and just launch it like that on Android and sent it to the screen.
Am I the only one who find this more amazing than running Ubuntu Touch on a Android phone ?
If you take a look at the size of the ARM Ubuntu version, you have a 500 MB file and I was wondering how Android can just load like that Ubuntu and run it along Android ?
Cheers.
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I was wondering how Android can just load like that Ubuntu and run it along Android ?
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As you point out, the video demonstrates a fully functional version of Ubuntu for Android. In the IRC channel, Ubuntu VP of engineering stated that U4A requires the Android OS to be modified slightly. I'm hopeful this process is unveiled soon and U4A becomes publicly available. It likely won't be very smooth on current commercially available hardware, and there's not really enough storage on an N4 to make it very practical, but it would still be nice to get a glimpse of computing convergence.
Thank you for your answer, is there any way to have access to this discussion ?
It seems pretty smooth on the video, which is surprising when you know the current hardware limitation on Android ...
For the storage, the cloud allows you to only download the file you need so it might not really be a problem.
I'm currently thinking about building a NAS to use it as a storage and download platform, it might be a custom solution for this problem.
Another option is my linuxonandroid project, see it as ubuntu for android but with just a one man team doing it in the spare time
Big plus side is we support a range of distros and are not limiting to Ubuntu
EDIT
Also note that the nexus 4 is a device I use and our up and coming LoA ROM will be on the Nexus 4 before you know it
The ROMs aim is to basicly do everything Ubuntu for Android can do and more!
Is this the app your talking about? I wanna try it but dont wanna install some bogus app lol
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.****ubuntu&hl=en
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Another option is my linuxonandroid project, see it as ubuntu for android but with just a one man team doing it in the spare time
Big plus side is we support a range of distros and are not limiting to Ubuntu
EDIT
Also note that the nexus 4 is a device I use and our up and coming LoA ROM will be on the Nexus 4 before you know it
The ROMs aim is to basicly do everything Ubuntu for Android can do and more!
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Do you think they are using VM to run their Ubuntu ?
It must require a lot of RAM no ?
Something nice in their video is the share of data between the two OS (mail, contact, music, etc). Is it possible to do that when you do a VM ?
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Is this the app your talking about? I wanna try it but dont wanna install some bogus app lol
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Your link is not valid and I didn't find anything on the Play Store with the name Ubuntu.
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Is this the app your talking about? I wanna try it but dont wanna install some bogus app lol
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.****ubuntu&hl=en
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This is my app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid
Korgall said:
Do you think they are using VM to run their Ubuntu ?
It must require a lot of RAM no ?
Something nice in their video is the share of data between the two OS (mail, contact, music, etc). Is it possible to do that when you do a VM ?
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Just like my project they do not use a VM, they use native Chroot, which allows Linux to run on the Android kernel from within Android.
SO you get normal access to hardware and kernel features and no performance hit.
Then for the sharing its a mixture of both OS's having access to the same storage so music and files are viewable from both.
For app data shared acrossed it simply requires so work to pass this across from one side to another, something that could be done pretty easy and I have started working on myself
Nice thank you gonna give it a try tonight.
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the play store description says it has instructins on how to install ubuntu 12.04...can I assume I can also install 13.10?
This is Relevant To My Interests
Im interested. Hope this gets updated soon
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This is my app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid
Just like my project they do not use a VM, they use native Chroot, which allows Linux to run on the Android kernel from within Android.
SO you get normal access to hardware and kernel features and no performance hit.
Then for the sharing its a mixture of both OS's having access to the same storage so music and files are viewable from both.
For app data shared acrossed it simply requires so work to pass this across from one side to another, something that could be done pretty easy and I have started working on myself
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You're a genius :good:
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the play store description says it has instructins on how to install ubuntu 12.04...can I assume I can also install 13.10?
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Currently its just 12.04 on Ubuntus side as we aimed to make alot of changes for our 13 release, but its coming
So the app gives directions on how to VNC into the linux system, but I want to connect my nexus 4 to a bluetooth mouse and keyboard and a monitor using the SlimPort adapter as seen in the Ubuntu Edge U4A video. Do you have or know of any directions on how this can be accomplished with Complete Linux Installer?
Thanks,
Blake
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So the app gives directions on how to VNC into the linux system, but I want to connect my nexus 4 to a bluetooth mouse and keyboard and a monitor using the SlimPort adapter as seen in the Ubuntu Edge U4A video. Do you have or know of any directions on how this can be accomplished with Complete Linux Installer?
Thanks,
Blake
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For the short term you will have to watch this space, but its actually what I am working on as we speak!
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For the short term you will have to watch this space, but its actually what I am working on as we speak!
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Okay, cool. I am extremely interested in this and I am a developer as well, so if there is anything you need tested or anything I can help you work on, please let me know.
I have a rooted Nexus 4 with sock jelly bean on it. I have played with installing Ubuntu Phone on it a few months back, but went back to android as I felt extremely limited in Ubuntu Phone.
I have the SlimPort® SP1002 from Amazon coming today. As I said before I would love to run it without the lag of VNC. Convergence is my main goal and I am so excited about Edge, but I want the Ubuntu for Android app for my Nexus 4 that I saw Leann talk about being already ready toady. Any idea of where/when we can get it?
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For the short term you will have to watch this space, but its actually what I am working on as we speak!
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Will you implement native chroot at some point too?
So now that the Ubuntu Edge campaign has failed, if/when do you think they will release Ubuntu for Android? I am going to get the new Nexus (Nexus 5?) and hopefully they will have it released for that phone.