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JAVA on Android 2.2, is great if possible!

I just wonder if this is possible, the phone can totally replace the slow netbook, as it can nearly replace the internet explorer of Windows.……
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I just wonder if this is possible, the phone can totally replace the slow netbook, as it can nearly replace the internet explorer of Windows.……
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If you're thinking full java JRE 6, then no, I don't think it's possible in the foreseeable future.

You can run ubuntu on the SGS. Do a forum search. (You do have to use VNC to connect to the ubuntu running on the phone, so it's slowish, but it really is full desktop ubuntu running on your SGS)

the java implementation android (dalvik) has does not contain all stuff from "official JRE" but most of it. i have just recently compiled a quite big java project for android and everything was there except the javax.sound stuff ... but if you are looking to run "normal" jar files without any modification you are out of luck, that will not work with dalvik, you would have to compile it with the android-sdk. i could imagine however that you could get another java-vm running on the phone...

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[Q] Possible full linux distro?

All locked bootloader possibilties asside, in the best possible senario I'd like to know if the webtop could be replaced by a full Debian (or other distro) install without messing up the way it merges with Android and the 10 foot gui.
Now obviously with the phone still waiting to be released I can't and won't expect an actual answer till some devs can get their hands on a rom. So for now, I just want to hear people's opinions on the matter.
Good idea? Bad idea? Waste of a thread? IMPOSSIBLE PIPE DREAM?! What do you guys think?

Motorola reps have indicated that the Webtop environment is Debian based, the Firefox about window mentions Ubuntu - either way I'm hoping the dpkg package manager is present and adding software is as easy as getting root on the device and then adding some packages. If I can do that I won't care about a "full distro" install, I just want to add a few packages for software I'm interested in. And doing so shouldn't interfere with the custom window manager / webtop features.

If dpkg works this would be great.
I think replacing the distro would be complicated cause a lot of features would go missing. For example the freezing of the session.
One thing I don't understand is why Firefox is used instead of Chrome...
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I'm guessing it's because of Firefox's lower memory footprint when dealing with lots of tabs. Hard to say though. I'd prefer Chrome, but Firefox does make some sense in this environment.

The desktop version of Chrome requires an x86/amd64 processor for the V8 Javascript engine. Obviously there are Android / ARM versions of Chrome in existence but you would need to do some porting / tweaking to get the high-performance Javascript engine working, which is one of the main reasons people like Chrome. So I'm sure it was much easier to just take the work Ubuntu had already done to get Firefox running on Linux/ARM.

I wonder if a ChromeOS port could be posible...?

I really think that Ubuntu 's focus on the new touchscreen interface is going to end up being used a lot in something like this in other Android phones and tablets.
I'm currently writing an article about the Atrix for Techerator.com and I think it's going to give some good insight into what the future holds. Check it out in a week or so.
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Rastor said:
The desktop version of Chrome requires an x86/amd64 processor for the V8 Javascript engine. Obviously there are Android / ARM versions of Chrome in existence but you would need to do some porting / tweaking to get the high-performance Javascript engine working, which is one of the main reasons people like Chrome. So I'm sure it was much easier to just take the work Ubuntu had already done to get Firefox running on Linux/ARM.
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You already have webkit in a standard android environment.
If the target arch is armv7+vfp ++, then v8 is on by default.
A full blown chromium would only, probably make sense for a tablet, but not for a phone.

Thanks for correcting me! That's good to know.
I would think full-blown Chromium makes as much sense as full-blown Firefox, which is included.

Rastor said:
Thanks for correcting me! That's good to know.
I would think full-blown Chromium makes as much sense as full-blown Firefox, which is included.
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I agree. Not to mention the convenience of Google Sync.
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I wonder if it will run java?
(MINECRAFT!!!)
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tiwey said:
I wonder if it will run java?
(MINECRAFT!!!)
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I need Java, I'd love to be able to run TunerStudioMS to play with the standalone in my car ( danger to the manifold )

Webtop - will it work with CM9 or AOKP?

Seriously thinking about getting the lapdock, since the Atrix one is very cheap and easily modified to work with the Droid 4.
Only problem is I don't want to go back to the stock ROM. Has anyone gotten Webtop to work on one of the ICS based CM or AOKP ports?
Also how much control do you get in Webtop. I understand it's basically Ubuntu, but can you install new packages or build your own from source. Is there hardware access to the GPU?

If your on an ICS leak webtop is 3.0, which means it is just tablet ui and is no longer a "separate" system.
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Oh, that's a bit useless
I was looking forward to the idea of being able to boot into Ubuntu and compile full fat apps to run there.
Still interested in using it with a modded Atrix lapdock though. So does webtop work with AOKP?

not at the moment, because CM9 and AOKP still don't have support for HDMI-out.

What's up all
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Hey,
take a look at this http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=829571 (i know it's in french but it's the first link i've found about). In this post there is the link to the original source, which is in english. I don't know which point did they reached (testing ? alpha ? beta ?) but it's reaaaaly interesting (and that's a reason why i want to move to a D4 : my htc DZ is not powerful enough to run this).

rubixcube said:
Hey,
take a look at this http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=829571 (i know it's in french but it's the first link i've found about). In this post there is the link to the original source, which is in english. I don't know which point did they reached (testing ? alpha ? beta ?) but it's reaaaaly interesting (and that's a reason why i want to move to a D4 : my htc DZ is not powerful enough to run this).
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I came to the D4 from a DZ too
That Ubuntu for Android is interesting, I was a little disappointed that webtop on ICS is just Android tablet UI rather than Ubuntu, however it is awesome that if you just use an HDMI cable the phone touchscreen changes into a touchpad!
I wonder how they are getting away with not publishing the source? As soon as a handset turns up for sale with Ubuntu on it, surely the source is going to have to come out or they will be violating the GPL, or is Ubuntu full of propriety closed source crap these days? (It's been a while since I used Linux as a desktop OS, and it was always Debian. Ubuntu didn't exist then)
On a related note, has anyone found a micro-HDMI cable that is actually capable of running at 1080p without corruption and sparklies. I have tried two and both were rubbish.

I got the motorola one from amazon, and it works flawlessly. I also got one from dealsextreme.com, which was considerably cheaper and free shipping, but they're services can be a bit shoddy at time, but I haven't had any big issues with them, and the cord quality is fine, no issues that I can see on my 1080p tv.
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moah909 said:
I got the motorola one from amazon, and it works flawlessly. I also got one from dealsextreme.com, which was considerably cheaper and free shipping, but they're services can be a bit shoddy at time, but I haven't had any big issues with them, and the cord quality is fine, no issues that I can see on my 1080p tv.
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I tried a Motorola one... it was better in that you could actually see the 1080p display, but still flashed and corrupted.
I know my monitor is more sensitive than most to poor quality HDMI devices (most notably the PS3), so I guess I'll just have to look for a fancy one, or a tiny adaptor to use with an existing good cable.

For those interested: I found a way to install Ubuntu on my ICS Droid 4. It comes with Firefox and LibreOffice, some options like installing new apps seem a bit limited (maybe not in the donate version?), but I didn't go into too much detail.
While it's probably not as integrated as the original WebTop was, it might be more flexible in terms of settings/applications. The way to access it is basically to start it via Terminal, then (Android) VNC to view / interact with the desktop.
The link to the free version is: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid
There's also some donation keys available, not sure what features they add. For me, tinkering around with it for 5 minutes is probably all I need it for, and the image is 3.5 GB so I'll probably remove it soon. Still, awesome that it works!
Included screenshot shows some tinkering:
Google Chrome (PC) showing
Airdroid hosted on
Droid 4 showing
Live-feed of
Android VNC client connected to
Ubuntu VNC server running on
Android Ubuntu server, which is also running
Firefox browser showing
Airdroid running on
Droid 4 showing
Outdated live-feed of
Droid 4 running Android
(Disclaimer: the avid AirDroid user will note that you can't log in from 2 separate clients: that's correct, the Firefox AirDroid is actually disconnected, I just moved the 'connection lost' pop-up all the way to the right)

Need testers for beta webcam chat

Since i couldnt post in the Android software dev forums, i will post here.
im making a webcam chat for android, and need testers with a nexus 7.
it is basically just a proof of concept at the moment, barely even a beta.
very minimal functionality, with some non-working features.
i would really appreciate it if people test this, and give feedback on what you do(nt) like, or would like to (not) see.
sorry i cant post "outside links",
screenshots: imgur.com/a/D7WRF#0
requires Adobe AIR.
whohacked.me/droidchat_air_n7.apk
thanks!

Pm me.
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I'm in. Pm me. I'll be glad to test
Press thanks if I helped ~ Nexus7/ParanoidAndroid/M-Kernel/NovaPrime

Send me a pm I will give it a shot.
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Can download to both my N7's. Will test with my daughter.
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go for it !
rjp421 said:
Since i couldnt post in the Android software dev forums, i will post here.
im making a webcam chat for android, and need testers with a nexus 7.
it is basically just a proof of concept at the moment, barely even a beta.
very minimal functionality, with some non-working features.
i would really appreciate it if people test this, and give feedback on what you do(nt) like, or would like to (not) see.
sorry i cant post "outside links",
screenshots: imgur.com/a/D7WRF#0
requires Adobe AIR.
whohacked.me/droidchat_air_n7.apk
thanks!
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Well, everytime I browse myfreecams.com its hard for me not to being able to use it on my Tablet. So I wanna say : go for it, it's a GOLDMINE
please pm the link! Thanks

Hey, PM and I can help u

pc compatible chat
i have uploaded an old chat which is compatible with the current droidchat proof of concept.
the "beta" droidchat will probably begin with a new framework and server code, which this will not be compatible with.
if you have flash player in your browser, here is a PC version.
feel free to make your own rooms and invite your friends. you will be in the same room whether youre on pc or mobile!
PC version:
whohacked.me/oldchat_2010/
this is a chat i made for a client back in 2010 when i wasnt so savvy at flash, so it sucks ... the new one will be much better!

I have started a room called xdachat if anyone wants to join, for testing purposes. I will be leaving it on.
I have to say, the only things that jump out at me as problems is text under keyboard (op already mentioned this), needs to be multitask compatible, and better interaction with keyboard settings such as auto capital, which does not seem to work within the chat app.
Having said that, I actually really like the layout. Simple, intuitive and to the point. Sometimes, too much crap can be stuffed in to an app, whick can convolute its purpose. This app does not have that problem. Really liking the ease and simplicity.
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awesome, i appreciate the feedback.
i am still working on the new framework, so it might be a few days before any updates. i will post any updates and new releases here.
i will be periodically popping in and out the room for testing. leave the room open on the PC if you want, hopefully more of you will come in so youre not testing by yourself. testing with just one person in the room may not bring out all the problems.
please keep testing, spread the word and bring your friends. the more feedback, the better.
thanks again.
P.S.
i am open to any design suggestions. i can do the code, but not the graphics.
if anyone would like to help develop this app, i could use some help. you must be proficient in ActionScript 3, and/or Apache FLEX (formerly Adobe FLEX).
the server is written in Adobe Flash Media Server's "Server-Side ActionScript".

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rjp421, do u have your app for android? I have Nexus 7 and I can help u to test your webchat pls msg to me

rjp421 said:
awesome, i appreciate the feedback.
i am still working on the new framework, so it might be a few days before any updates. i will post any updates and new releases here.
i will be periodically popping in and out the room for testing. leave the room open on the PC if you want, hopefully more of you will come in so youre not testing by yourself. testing with just one person in the room may not bring out all the problems.
please keep testing, spread the word and bring your friends. the more feedback, the better.
thanks again.
P.S.
i am open to any design suggestions. i can do the code, but not the graphics.
if anyone would like to help develop this app, i could use some help. you must be proficient in ActionScript 3, and/or Apache FLEX (formerly Adobe FLEX).
the server is written in Adobe Flash Media Server's "Server-Side ActionScript".
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I will install on pc for continuous run. Constant run on device is problematic. Installed on my phone, but of course it scaled incorrectly. Will the new framework include multiple resolutions?
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rjp421, do u have your app for android? I have Nexus 7 and I can help u to test your webchat pls msg to me
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yes, you can download the .APK from whohacked.me/droidchat_air_n7.apk
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I will install on pc for continuous run. Constant run on device is problematic. Installed on my phone, but of course it scaled incorrectly. Will the new framework include multiple resolutions?
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eventually... this was my original plan, but all i have atm is a nexus 7 to test with. so i am waiting for it to work properly before i mess with the layout.
i will also work on a portrait layout, and add an option to auto-rotate the nexus 7's camera when you change from landscape to portrait.

rjp421 said:
yes, you can download the .APK from whohacked.me/droidchat_air_n7.apk
eventually... this was my original plan, but all i have atm is a nexus 7 to test with. so i am waiting for it to work properly before i mess with the layout.
i will also work on a portrait layout, and add an option to auto-rotate the nexus 7's camera when you change from landscape to portrait.
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Cool deal. The alternate layout was more of an afterthought. I am running room name xdachat on the pc now, so it can remain continuous. If anyone wants to join in, I will be there. I may be away from the pc for a few here and there, but it will be open.

Ubuntu for Android App

On the Indiegogo page for the Ubuntu Edge, you can see a video of a proof of concept for the Ubuntu Desktop.
She used an app on a stock Nexus 4 (if I remember correctly, she says AOSP) and just launch it like that on Android and sent it to the screen.
Am I the only one who find this more amazing than running Ubuntu Touch on a Android phone ?
If you take a look at the size of the ARM Ubuntu version, you have a 500 MB file and I was wondering how Android can just load like that Ubuntu and run it along Android ?
Cheers.

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I was wondering how Android can just load like that Ubuntu and run it along Android ?
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As you point out, the video demonstrates a fully functional version of Ubuntu for Android. In the IRC channel, Ubuntu VP of engineering stated that U4A requires the Android OS to be modified slightly. I'm hopeful this process is unveiled soon and U4A becomes publicly available. It likely won't be very smooth on current commercially available hardware, and there's not really enough storage on an N4 to make it very practical, but it would still be nice to get a glimpse of computing convergence.

Thank you for your answer, is there any way to have access to this discussion ?
It seems pretty smooth on the video, which is surprising when you know the current hardware limitation on Android ...
For the storage, the cloud allows you to only download the file you need so it might not really be a problem.
I'm currently thinking about building a NAS to use it as a storage and download platform, it might be a custom solution for this problem.

Another option is my linuxonandroid project, see it as ubuntu for android but with just a one man team doing it in the spare time
Big plus side is we support a range of distros and are not limiting to Ubuntu
EDIT
Also note that the nexus 4 is a device I use and our up and coming LoA ROM will be on the Nexus 4 before you know it
The ROMs aim is to basicly do everything Ubuntu for Android can do and more!

Is this the app your talking about? I wanna try it but dont wanna install some bogus app lol
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.****ubuntu&hl=en

zacthespack said:
Another option is my linuxonandroid project, see it as ubuntu for android but with just a one man team doing it in the spare time
Big plus side is we support a range of distros and are not limiting to Ubuntu
EDIT
Also note that the nexus 4 is a device I use and our up and coming LoA ROM will be on the Nexus 4 before you know it
The ROMs aim is to basicly do everything Ubuntu for Android can do and more!
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Do you think they are using VM to run their Ubuntu ?
It must require a lot of RAM no ?
Something nice in their video is the share of data between the two OS (mail, contact, music, etc). Is it possible to do that when you do a VM ?
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Is this the app your talking about? I wanna try it but dont wanna install some bogus app lol
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Your link is not valid and I didn't find anything on the Play Store with the name Ubuntu.

illgodson said:
Is this the app your talking about? I wanna try it but dont wanna install some bogus app lol
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.****ubuntu&hl=en
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This is my app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid
Korgall said:
Do you think they are using VM to run their Ubuntu ?
It must require a lot of RAM no ?
Something nice in their video is the share of data between the two OS (mail, contact, music, etc). Is it possible to do that when you do a VM ?
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Just like my project they do not use a VM, they use native Chroot, which allows Linux to run on the Android kernel from within Android.
SO you get normal access to hardware and kernel features and no performance hit.
Then for the sharing its a mixture of both OS's having access to the same storage so music and files are viewable from both.
For app data shared acrossed it simply requires so work to pass this across from one side to another, something that could be done pretty easy and I have started working on myself

Nice thank you gonna give it a try tonight.
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the play store description says it has instructins on how to install ubuntu 12.04...can I assume I can also install 13.10?

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Im interested. Hope this gets updated soon
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zacthespack said:
This is my app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid
Just like my project they do not use a VM, they use native Chroot, which allows Linux to run on the Android kernel from within Android.
SO you get normal access to hardware and kernel features and no performance hit.
Then for the sharing its a mixture of both OS's having access to the same storage so music and files are viewable from both.
For app data shared acrossed it simply requires so work to pass this across from one side to another, something that could be done pretty easy and I have started working on myself
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You're a genius :good:

hp420 said:
the play store description says it has instructins on how to install ubuntu 12.04...can I assume I can also install 13.10?
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Currently its just 12.04 on Ubuntus side as we aimed to make alot of changes for our 13 release, but its coming

So the app gives directions on how to VNC into the linux system, but I want to connect my nexus 4 to a bluetooth mouse and keyboard and a monitor using the SlimPort adapter as seen in the Ubuntu Edge U4A video. Do you have or know of any directions on how this can be accomplished with Complete Linux Installer?
Thanks,
Blake

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So the app gives directions on how to VNC into the linux system, but I want to connect my nexus 4 to a bluetooth mouse and keyboard and a monitor using the SlimPort adapter as seen in the Ubuntu Edge U4A video. Do you have or know of any directions on how this can be accomplished with Complete Linux Installer?
Thanks,
Blake
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For the short term you will have to watch this space, but its actually what I am working on as we speak!

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For the short term you will have to watch this space, but its actually what I am working on as we speak!
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Okay, cool. I am extremely interested in this and I am a developer as well, so if there is anything you need tested or anything I can help you work on, please let me know.
I have a rooted Nexus 4 with sock jelly bean on it. I have played with installing Ubuntu Phone on it a few months back, but went back to android as I felt extremely limited in Ubuntu Phone.
I have the SlimPort® SP1002 from Amazon coming today. As I said before I would love to run it without the lag of VNC. Convergence is my main goal and I am so excited about Edge, but I want the Ubuntu for Android app for my Nexus 4 that I saw Leann talk about being already ready toady. Any idea of where/when we can get it?

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For the short term you will have to watch this space, but its actually what I am working on as we speak!
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Will you implement native chroot at some point too?

So now that the Ubuntu Edge campaign has failed, if/when do you think they will release Ubuntu for Android? I am going to get the new Nexus (Nexus 5?) and hopefully they will have it released for that phone.