I have no clue what happened....my galaxy was working fine...laggy a bit, but nothing i cant handle. I was at a club last night and recorded a 20 mins video...its saved. So as of this mornign my galaxy has been crawlingggg to load things....everything is either delayed or going really slow. NoLed is slow, chomp sms popup is slow....this phone is starting to commit suicide or something....any ideas why my phone started to all of a sudden lag alot?....when it didnt before???....and no lag fix is not a option for me.
Back up the video on your pc then delete it from the phone and see if that restores it back to its original speed.
sean2476 said:
Back up the video on your pc then delete it from the phone and see if that restores it back to its original speed.
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trying that now....for some reason kies seem to take forever to transfer video to pc. sigh....
Have u tried rebooting ur phone?
Seifer1975 said:
Have u tried rebooting ur phone?
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yes i have and am now trasnferring the video...but Kies is taking sooooo long to do so. Its a real pain. I hope it was lagging cause of the massive amounts of videos i have...we shall see. (if i can get the video transferred)
if you're rooted you can try adjusting the minfree settings using the minfree app
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I have no clue what happened....my galaxy was working fine...laggy a bit, but nothing i cant handle. I was at a club last night and recorded a 20 mins video...its saved. So as of this mornign my galaxy has been crawlingggg to load things....everything is either delayed or going really slow. NoLed is slow, chomp sms popup is slow....this phone is starting to commit suicide or something....any ideas why my phone started to all of a sudden lag alot?....when it didnt before???....and no lag fix is not a option for me.
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This is what happened to my galaxy s as well. I have no recovery mode and root/lag fix was not an option for me till i found my solution step by step. I applied One click lag fix and it become so much smoother and faster. Sms notification has no delay even on Chomp Sms. =) The hardware of Galaxy S was good, but the firmware is a problem.
cheeshun said:
This is what happened to my galaxy s as well. I have no recovery mode and root/lag fix was not an option for me till i found my solution step by step. I applied One click lag fix and it become so much smoother and faster. Sms notification has no delay even on Chomp Sms. =) The hardware of Galaxy S was good, but the firmware is a problem.
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it seems ok now....(well not really )...but the reason i dont want to apply a lag fix is cause of the "reported" internal sd card fails....and i dont have $ for a new phone if this one gets screwed over.
install Task Manager
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8422188&postcount=99
and Auto Run Killer
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8123924&postcount=40
optimize your phone, and the lags will be gone
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I have no clue what happened....my galaxy was working fine...laggy a bit, but nothing i cant handle. I was at a club last night and recorded a 20 mins video...its saved. So as of this mornign my galaxy has been crawlingggg to load things....everything is either delayed or going really slow. NoLed is slow, chomp sms popup is slow....this phone is starting to commit suicide or something....any ideas why my phone started to all of a sudden lag alot?....when it didnt before???....and no lag fix is not a option for me.
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AllGamer said:
install Task Manager
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8422188&postcount=99
and Auto Run Killer
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8123924&postcount=40
optimize your phone, and the lags will be gone
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i have auto killer and i just use stock task manager...as alot of people have been saying other task managers are useless cause Android OS is designed to handle it....confused....
the stock task manager is not that great, and the widget only works on the stock launcher.
the task manager the one i linked you can setup white list and black list
so it will automatically allow what to run, and kill what should not be running on its own
I wouldn't of used Kies to make the transfer, should've used a mass storage and transferred it using windows explorer. Also, I'd advocate against the task manager. I haven't used one on the SGS in about 2 months, back when I did I never let it run 24/7, sometimes I'd manually open it and kill almost all tasks. Task killers, such as ATK, will almost surely hurt your battery life if you let them run in the background, in fact, I'd even bet on it.
These days, I try to keep all my favorite programs in the background (unless they use CPU while idle, but even GTalk is great on battery life, as is LauncherPro and the widgets I have elected to keep). As long as you use the same 10-20 apps you should be fine, even if you use more you might be fine but not quite as good depending on how many apps you have loaded and storage space you use in total.
Since I highly doubt that the file size was huge and would overload the system, I wonder if a bug either sprang up and/or (maybe more likely) you created a hardware problem such as overheating your phone and processor and are now having issues. If nothing else works, try to back up all your apps and info to an SD card and then do a factory reset. If your problems continue then it's hardware.
Now I dont know whether to.keep the task apps or not lol...2 different opinions here...
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The lagfixes don't increase the amount of writes to the internal SD and they certainly don't break it. Any of the lagfixes in the FAQ (see my sig) are well tested and nearly 100% safe. I would definitely recommend to either use voodoo or the modded version that uses the stock-kernel. You won't believe your eyes.
The reason your phone got so damn slow was because of RFS. The camera APP caches on the /data partition and when it does so, it created a massive amount of file system errors (a related thread can be found here).
Darkstriker said:
The lagfixes don't increase the amount of writes to the internal SD and they certainly don't break it. Any of the lagfixes in the FAQ (see my sig) are well tested and nearly 100% safe. I would definitely recommend to either use voodoo or the modded version that uses the stock-kernel. You won't believe your eyes.
The reason your phone got so damn slow was because of RFS. The camera APP caches on the /data partition and when it does so, it created a massive amount of file system errors (a related thread can be found here).
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So if i apply a lag fix...either OCLF or Voodoo...you can Guarantee i wont see a internal sd failure?...cause i remember All Gamer talking about how he wanted to fix the lag fix to write onto sd card or something like that...(dont quote me) its 100% safe?
AllGamer said:
the stock task manager is not that great, and the widget only works on the stock launcher.
the task manager the one i linked you can setup white list and black list
so it will automatically allow what to run, and kill what should not be running on its own
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Don't many developers etc say not to run task killers? They actually cause more drain on the phone and battery?
http://lifehacker.com/5650894/andro...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
Note, however, that this is still a contested notion. A lot of developers (including ROM builder extraordinaire, Cyanogen) will not even look at your bug reports if you're using a task killer. In this humble blogger's opinion, your best bet is to stay away from regular task killer usage entirely.
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i trust the hard fact results of the good it is doing in my phone, rather than some biased believes that just lags the phone if not actioned upon.
I dont know if I would call advice from well known developers as biased. Especially considering several others have shared this setiment. But what ever floats your boat. You are some what of a mr know it all here...
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think about it logically, you do nothing to the phone and it lags like hell
or you can install legit software which easily lets you choose what to run and what not to run
result: system is squeaky clean and snappy fast
vs.
do nothing: system lags like hell, come to the forum complain the phone lags and claim other people are right we should do nothing and have an unusable phone.
Well the lag on my phone is minimal, it actually performs quite well. My phone died without any lag fixes etc, so I am not putting any of that on now. My problem is GPS is useless and the random shutdowns.
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Hi all,
1. I've got these applications (Smartone-Vodophone SV app, 5 days weather, google map, social hub and such) that would keep coming back, relaunching themselves even after I put them onto my task manager's autokill list. Seems like they would wait around for me to enable the wifi/3G connection and then launch themselves. I even installed other apps to disable autolaunch and they would still launch themselves in the background every now and then. I had to kill them every time I unlocked my screen and these "launching and killing" cycles eventually depleted my memory down to below 100MB, making the lag situation even worse. Does anyone know how I can stop them from launching, without having to uninstall these apps?
2. I haven't installed the lagfix and I understand that the fix has to do with reformatting the apps' partition with a faster file system to reduce the lag (probably by giving it faster I/O access to the program's binaries?) I'm still waiting for Froyo, which should be out in a couple of weeks in my country. Does anyone know if Froyo would take care of this file system problem? Even with the Froyo or one-click lag fix, it still would not solve the apps launching and memory leak problem, right?
3. I notice that after I've installed more apps, the lag situation got worse. I was playing some songs on the external SD cards and it choked once in a while. I made sure I killed all the other apps and that I still got 100+MB to run just this one song player app and yet it would still choke. This tells me that the lag has nothing to do with available memory. And the player app was stock that came with the phone so there shouldn't be any fragmentation issue (apps installed later might have?) that makes it run slow. And if its the bad file system, this app, running all by itself, should have all the I/O bandwidth to itself so the access to the app's binaries should not have any lag... and neither should the access to the songs on the external SD card. So what exactly is causing the lag then? I don't see how the lagfix would solve this problem either. I actually have read that the lags would come back after a period of usage even with the lagfix. Anyone got an insight to this problem? What exactly is causing the lag? and why installing more apps seem to make it worse? and would Froyo be able to fix all these problems?
Thanks a lot.
@boarder838
I think you really need to read a lot more about just how Android works as you seem to have some strange ideas about how it works.
To start with you need to realise that having 200mb or 100mb of free Ram makes zero difference to performance only when you have no free Ram is it a problem and even then the system will sort it out for you by closing the least used program. Free Ram is just wasted Ram as it's not doing anything and will not make your device respond or work faster using a Auto Task Killer is wasting your battery and slowing down your device not speeding it up and saving battery as you seem to think. As i have pointed out above stop obsessing over your free Ram amount as unless you have none its not a problem stop using a Task Killer and you will most probably see your device responds faster as its not constantly killing things and just leaves them open doing nothing in the back ground which doesn't use Ram or Battery so just leave them be.
Yes Froyo will bring many improvements to our devices but won't fix a problem that doesn't exist re memory leaks and apps launching that you seem to think you have. I don't know but some of those apps may be system apps that need to run all the time which is why they keep relaunching. As for a lag fix well that's what we are all hoping for but if not I'm pretty sure the great people of this forum will come up with an easy to apply fix to it.
I have absolutely no problem playing Music or even streaming it over Bluetooth no lag stutters or break ups at all although my Music is on the Internal SD card. Maybe you should look at the quality that you have encoded your Music in as that may be causing problem. maybe some of the apps you have installed are also causing a problem but its impossible to know as we all install different apps and have different set ups.
I don't know how much experience you have with Android devices or flashing Roms but if you read enough and understand it you have the possibility to flash custom Rom's and various tweaks and fixes to make your device how you want it. That's part of the beauty of Android but don't rush into anything you are not sure about as you can end up with an expensive brick so read things many times and make sure you understand step by step what you are doing if you are going to attempt any of these things.
If you look at my signature you will see i am running a Custom Rom that includes a lag fix and various other tweaks it also allowed me to remove some of the programs in the official Rom that i didn't want or need. For me my device runs nice and smooth and fast of course I'm looking forward to Froyo and all the improvements that will bring but I'm quite happy with my Galaxy S the way it is now. Oh and this is my second Android device and I've never used a Task Killer never mind an Auto Task Killer and have never seen an out of Ram message either.
Marc
exactly what he said ^
Hi Marc,
Thanks for spending time to read through my long post and reply to it. I probably didn't explain my problem clearly in my post.
There were a couple of reasons I wanted to kill/stop the apps from starting:
1. Even before I installed any of those apps killer, I noticed that the available memory kept going down after a couple days of usage and it went down to below 100M. I figured some of the apps would need 10's of MB to run so I thought I should at least keep 100MB around so that it wouldn't run out of memory and start swapping when I start those apps. I don't know enough about Android but I assume its just like linux or other OS, when it runs out of physical memory, it would start swapping and slow things down. Even after I started using task killer and killed all the other tasks, the memory level would still not recover. That seems to point to a memory leak problem but using "Memory Booster" to do garbage collection seems to help. Still, it would be nice to be able to stop them from launching in the first place. <-- my first question.
2. I do not want any jobs/processes/apps that I don't need to run in the background to drain my battery. I don't think I can say for sure that those apps are all just idling and not using much CPU/battery. There are quite a few of them so if each of them use some CPU time/battery, it will add up eventually. Note that these are not system processes (or daemons as in unix's init.d). They are crappy apps from the cellular provider so I'm pretty sure they don't have to be running (they're probably just collecting my personal data or smth). I just thought there would be a way to stop them from launching without uninstalling them.
Thanks for answering my question regarding Froyo. If they would do the filesystem lagfix then I'll just wait for that update.
As for the music stuttering problem, my songs are on the external SD card but my old Nokia E85 phone has no problem playing with those songs on the same SD card. As I have pointed out in my last question, I was only running one app and with plenty of memory so it had nothing to do with available memory. I also suggested that however bad the filesystem was, the I/O bandwidth should still be enough to run this one music player app (access the program binary/libraries?) and to retrieve data from external SD card to play the music smoothly. So applying the lagfix probably won't help this problem though I still haven't tried the lagfix. Now I'm thinking that one of the task killer might be killing some system processes which were needed by the music player. I probably should uninstall all these task killers and see if it would help.
I have gotten the phone for only a couple of weeks so I haven't gotten around to try flashing different roms or rooting my phone. There's so much info scattered around on the web and I can't seem to find a source that really has the authority or complete information. I'll see if I have time later to look into all the tweaks and such but for now its just a phone to me and I just want it to run smoothly without having to spend too much effort to tune it.
Don't get me wrong. I still love the flexibility and customization opportunities provided by the Android platform and I just love to show off my "Beautiful Weather Widget", "Live Aquarium Wall Paper" and my cool 3D scrolling "Launcher Pro" to my iphone4 buddies and make them drool.
Thanks for you comment and let's hope Froyo will bring us a smooth running and stable platform.
Dogmann said:
@boarder838
I think you really need to read a lot more about just how Android works as you seem to have some strange ideas about how it works.
To start with you need to realise that having 200mb or 100mb of free Ram makes zero difference to performance only when you have no free Ram is it a problem and even then the system will sort it out for you by closing the least used program. Free Ram is just wasted Ram as it's not doing anything and will not make your device respond or work faster using a Auto Task Killer is wasting your battery and slowing down your device not speeding it up and saving battery as you seem to think. As i have pointed out above stop obsessing over your free Ram amount as unless you have none its not a problem stop using a Task Killer and you will most probably see your device responds faster as its not constantly killing things and just leaves them open doing nothing in the back ground which doesn't use Ram or Battery so just leave them be.
Yes Froyo will bring many improvements to our devices but won't fix a problem that doesn't exist re memory leaks and apps launching that you seem to think you have. I don't know but some of those apps may be system apps that need to run all the time which is why they keep relaunching. As for a lag fix well that's what we are all hoping for but if not I'm pretty sure the great people of this forum will come up with an easy to apply fix to it.
I have absolutely no problem playing Music or even streaming it over Bluetooth no lag stutters or break ups at all although my Music is on the Internal SD card. Maybe you should look at the quality that you have encoded your Music in as that may be causing problem. maybe some of the apps you have installed are also causing a problem but its impossible to know as we all install different apps and have different set ups.
I don't know how much experience you have with Android devices or flashing Roms but if you read enough and understand it you have the possibility to flash custom Rom's and various tweaks and fixes to make your device how you want it. That's part of the beauty of Android but don't rush into anything you are not sure about as you can end up with an expensive brick so read things many times and make sure you understand step by step what you are doing if you are going to attempt any of these things.
If you look at my signature you will see i am running a Custom Rom that includes a lag fix and various other tweaks it also allowed me to remove some of the programs in the official Rom that i didn't want or need. For me my device runs nice and smooth and fast of course I'm looking forward to Froyo and all the improvements that will bring but I'm quite happy with my Galaxy S the way it is now. Oh and this is my second Android device and I've never used a Task Killer never mind an Auto Task Killer and have never seen an out of Ram message either.
Marc
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Oh I found the problem with stuttering music. It was the "beautiful weather widget"! I tried removing all the task killers and aquarium etc and it still wouldn't work. As soon as I removed the weather widget there was no problem with music playback anymore. Anyone has the same problem that pretty weather widget?? I've already set the refresh period to every 3 hours but it still wouldn't help?!
Took a break from porting 2.3 and threw together this themed 2.2.2
Its Gingerbread themed, a few graphical elements are missing though.
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Install through ClockworkMod
Wipe first in CWM ONLY, user data, and cache.
Download
http://www.multiupload.com/WSDGWB5XM1
Install another launcher, our display isn't good enough for the default.
Its late, I have to get some sleep for work in the morning. Will post credits, and detailed instructions later.
Also, Its looking like a ghost town in here, we need more roms. I can help those interested in compiling. You can use the Android Kitchen to get started.
Thanks for your contribution
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Seems like screen resolution is screwed up a little in wallpapers
Edit: in your stock launcher is the only place I see size issues but I am loving this rom running very smooth
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bout to give this a go
Do you have any screens to share?
Does this have djSteve's tweaks?
^ Posted a pic, and what tweaks?
Will post new rom with full info this weekend. Lots of new tweaks, additions, and subtractions.
Stay tuned.
Thank you streaker!
I agree on the lack of ROMs. I'm going to start to try to develop something simple (I'm self-teaching Java and Linux; what better way to learn than to tweak?).
I'll be downloading the Kitchen and playing with it in a couple of days's time, if not sooner. Since you offered, I'll ask for help when I get stuck!
Are you still working on a 2.3 ROM? Can a n008 offer any assistance? I really want to get my feet wet in development (apps or ROMs), so if I can be at all useful I will be.
vetvito said:
Took a break from porting 2.3 and threw together this themed 2.2.2
Its Gingerbread themed, a few graphical elements are missing though.
Install through ClockworkMod
Wipe first in CWM ONLY, user data, and cache.
Download
http://www.multiupload.com/WSDGWB5XM1
Install another launcher, our display isn't good enough for the default.
Its late, I have to get some sleep for work in the morning. Will post credits, and detailed instructions later.
Also, Its looking like a ghost town in here, we need more roms. I can help those interested in compiling. You can use the Android Kitchen to get started.
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idk if you are doing this, but it won't hurt to repeat it
make sure you wipe data/cache before you capture the cmw image this way you can avoid some issues for people flashing
I'll be flashing this in a sec, here. Gotta love more Streak 7 devs!
Did you make this in ROM Kitchen? If so, how did you go about it? I couldn't get ROM Kitchen to work on my S7.
Great to see some more developers! I'll definitely give this a go.
So I loaded it up and slapped on Zeam launcher; I have to say, it's pretty nice. This is basically vanilla, stock 2.2.2 with the bloat removed and a black bar (with some Gingerbread theme touches here and there). This is a great alternative to stock, and seems to run everything really smoothly. Nice mod!
Looking forward to the weekend version!
But quick question, if i go about flashing this, while in DJs HS7, do i have to return back to the stock then flash cwm then flash the rom?
RavenSEAL said:
Looking forward to the weekend version!
But quick question, if i go about flashing this, while in DJs HS7, do i have to return back to the stock then flash cwm then flash the rom?
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Yes, you do. Unfortunately, there's not CWR for HC, yet (and, even if there were, I don't know that it would allow flashing FroYo ROMs).
Z4nd4r said:
Yes, you do. Unfortunately, there's not CWR for HC, yet (and, even if there were, I don't know that it would allow flashing FroYo ROMs).
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Figured :S
I don't wanna risk destroying my internal memory
Installed and working perfectly. Im using vtl launcher. Very fast and works well!!! Thanks much and im looking forward to future releases.
Suggestions :
1) maybe a battery icon w / percentage
2) go launcher or vtl launcher
3) any cooked in file explorer
4) a modified wpa supplicant file to allow adhoc tethering
4) maybe a task killer. Im using autokiller memory optimizer and free mem stays near 150
Great work!!
pyraxiate said:
Installed and working perfectly. Im using vtl launcher. Very fast and works well!!! Thanks much and im looking forward to future releases.
Suggestions :
1) maybe a battery icon w / percentage
2) go launcher or vtl launcher
3) any cooked in file explorer
4) a modified wpa supplicant file to allow adhoc tethering
4) maybe a task killer. Im using autokiller memory optimizer and free mem stays near 150
Great work!!
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FroYo has very good, built in task management. Task killers generally hurt performance and battery life. Android isn't Windows; it's Linux. Having little free memory isn't a bad thing.
Z4nd4r said:
FroYo has very good, built in task management. Task killers generally hurt performance and battery life. Android isn't Windows; it's Linux. Having little free memory isn't a bad thing.
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Hence why I said "maybe " a task killer. Mine without one hits that critical 40 - 50 mb ram level where things start to lag (I have a ton of apps installed which like to run as a background service even though I only use them once or twice a week) . Also if you researched.... most task killers do NOT REPLACE stock task management....they merely lower or raise values already in place. This means closing idle processes a little faster than default ( if I don't use an application in 12 hrs....do I really need it running in the background??????) Also, you can set limits on oom values for specific tasks so they have a lower / higher priority. There are absolutely advantages to task managers......
One good example...... without it, when my memory ran in the critical 40 mb range, ebuddy services would shut off.....which is one app I WANT running 24/7. Using a task manager I can set its oom value to -17mb which virtually keeps it alive even if the system goes into swap. Also another I change values on is gmail so it can background sync and I don't worry about it closing syncing services.
Anyway, I hope that clears some things up for you if you ran as many apps as I do, and don't have a completely fresh installed os, they are absolutely helpful I know that free ram ia wasted ram ....but that only holds true until you hit the levels at which the system needs to operate properly. Don't forget....you DO need SOME ram for cache / swap!!! ( 70-100mb free keeps things perfectly smooth)
Also, an fyi for you. I know android isn't windows. I am linux guy myself and have compiled many things from source. While I may not be a GURU, im no where near a novice. I understand how the OS works. Try running ubuntu 11 on 64 -128 mb ram and tell me how free ram isn't important.
pyraxiate said:
Hence why I said "maybe " a task killer. Mine without one hits that critical 40 - 50 mb ram level where things start to lag (I have a ton of apps installed which like to run as a background service even though I only use them once or twice a week) . Also if you researched.... most task killers do NOT REPLACE stock task management....they merely lower or raise values already in place. This means closing idle processes a little faster than default ( if I don't use an application in 12 hrs....do I really need it running in the background??????) Also, you can set limits on oom values for specific tasks so they have a lower / higher priority. There are absolutely advantages to task managers......
One good example...... without it, when my memory ran in the critical 40 mb range, ebuddy services would shut off.....which is one app I WANT running 24/7. Using a task manager I can set its oom value to -17mb which virtually keeps it alive even if the system goes into swap. Also another I change values on is gmail so it can background sync and I don't worry about it closing syncing services.
Anyway, I hope that clears some things up for you if you ran as many apps as I do, and don't have a completely fresh installed os, they are absolutely helpful I know that free ram ia wasted ram ....but that only holds true until you hit the levels at which the system needs to operate properly. Don't forget....you DO need SOME ram for cache / swap!!! ( 70-100mb free keeps things perfectly smooth)
Also, an fyi for you. I know android isn't windows. I am linux guy myself and have compiled many things from source. While I may not be a GURU, im no where near a novice. I understand how the OS works. Try running ubuntu 11 on 64 -128 mb ram and tell me how free ram isn't important.
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LOLZ, ubuntu?
Vanilla linux can run fine on 64mb of ram
Sure it can...but not with a current version of gnome or kde maybe using xfce or window maker. Those don't need much resource. I stated ubuntu due to its popularity lol
Was just making a point on the necessity of SOME free ram
Side note.... did you see ubuntu is functional on the streak 7 ???? Awesome!! I can't wait until it is completely ready to go. I've been experimenting trying to get any desktop session up and running but no good so far It wont be long though!!!
Hi, I'm using Cyanogenmod 10.1.2 stable version with the kernel that comes with this release.
I noticed a strange problem, every time I'm saving something to internal memory, phone slows down.
Example: I take a picture and I want to share it via WhatsApp, everything slows down, even gets unresponsive for 20 seconds. The same thing happens when I take a screenshot, or when I download / update any app.
Apart from that, the phone doesn't seem to have any other problems.
suba_ri said:
Hi, I'm using Cyanogenmod 10.1.2 stable version with the kernel that comes with this release.
I noticed a strange problem, every time I'm saving something to internal memory, phone slows down.
Example: I take a picture and I want to share it via WhatsApp, everything slows down, even gets unresponsive for 20 seconds. The same thing happens when I take a screenshot, or when I download / update any app.
Apart from that, the phone doesn't seem to have any other problems.
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The phone isn't the fastest thing in the world but the behavior your describing isn't quite "normal".
For a start, in my opinion the CM native kernel is a little slow, I'm gonna ask you to try Iodak kernel (for now) to see if helps.
Flash 9.5 from this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2270308
I'd eventually try an app to measure the IO performance in the internal memory for comparing, but I can't think of an app now (no access to play store atm), so let us know if anything changes after flashing Iodak kernel.
MidnightDevil said:
The phone isn't the fastest thing in the world but the behavior your describing isn't quite "normal".
For a start, in my opinion the CM native kernel is a little slow, I'm gonna ask you to try Iodak kernel (for now) to see if helps.
Flash 9.5 from this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2270308
I'd eventually try an app to measure the IO performance in the internal memory for comparing, but I can't think of an app now (no access to play store atm), so let us know if anything changes after flashing Iodak kernel.
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Sorry, I forgot to mention that this kind of behavior happened on stock ROM as well as on CM with Iodak and Werewolf kernel. My friend was using stock CM10 kernel on her phone and everything seemed fast enough so I tried it also but the problem remains.
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I ran this benchmark: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.passmark.pt_mobile
My results for internal storage write were 11,9 MBytes/Sec and for reading: 31,7 MBytes/Sec
suba_ri said:
Sorry, I forgot to mention that this kind of behavior happened on stock ROM as well as on CM with Iodak and Werewolf kernel. My friend was using stock CM10 kernel on her phone and everything seemed fast enough so I tried it also but the problem remains.
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Do you notice that behavior only with WhatsApp? Can you give us more examples?
Also, you can use AndroBench (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andromeda.androbench2) and post the results?
I'm thinking that something else is causing the lag, WhatsApp sometimes just hangs on me for a while (also uses sdcard to store logs).
MidnightDevil said:
Do you notice that behavior only with WhatsApp? Can you give us more examples?
Also, you can use AndroBench (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andromeda.androbench2) and post the results?
I'm thinking that something else is causing the lag, WhatsApp sometimes just hangs on me for a while (also uses sdcard to store logs).
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WhatsApp works fine when I'm sending a picture that was previously saved.
This kind of behavior happens also with Kik, Facebook messenger, and in general;
When I update any application, the phone becomes almost unresponsive for 10-20 seconds, every single time.
Here is the screenshot from androbench: https://db.tt/KAoi3zoX
I created this screenshot and it took 10 seconds for the phone to start reacting normally again..
suba_ri said:
WhatsApp works fine when I'm sending a picture that was previously saved.
This kind of behavior happens also with Kik, Facebook messenger, and in general;
When I update any application, the phone becomes almost unresponsive for 10-20 seconds, every single time.
Here is the screenshot from androbench: https://db.tt/KAoi3zoX
I created this screenshot and it took 10 seconds for the phone to start reacting normally again..
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I experienced lots of different behaviors, sometimes even with the same configuration. Becoming unresponsive for a while when updating apps isn't uncommon. I experience that, I'm sure lot's of users around here do. You could try changing the sdcard readahead to 2048 and see if makes a difference (or to 1024, etc..) and see what configuration your friend's phone is using. You can also use Kernel Tuner, Performance Control or any tweaking app which allows you to change governors / cpu frequencies / sdcard readahead to changes these things.
Also, OOM values can also influence the user experience (these can be checked / changes using Kernel Tuner for example).
Will run Androbench soon as I can and i will post and compare.
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Alright here's mine - Although there are differences (specially on the sequential write), I don't think it's exactly that, that is causing your issue.
Can more users do the test with Androbench and post their results ?
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Here is the result from the friends phone:
https://db.tt/t5E9iZDY
From looking at this my phone should even be faster
Looking at the three images, it makes me thing its kinda random almost lol.
Try fstrim from the market... run it.. maybe will help... I'm a little lost here. Need more info.. you saying this happened to every rom you tried?
It happened on stock ROM and on CM 10.1.2 stable (with iodak kernel and with cm kernel).
I didn't try any other ROMs.
I just ordered Nexus 5 and I will give this phone to my brother, so while I'm wiping all the data I can try another ROM if you think that could help..
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It happened on stock ROM and on CM 10.1.2 stable (with iodak kernel and with cm kernel).
I didn't try any other ROMs.
I just ordered Nexus 5 and I will give this phone to my brother, so while I'm wiping all the data I can try another ROM if you think that could help..
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In my opinion, I'd use CM 10.1.2 stable (android 4.2.2), runs fantastic and everything works. If your brother wants to give a go at KitKat, go ahead, but stability? CM10.1.2. For sure.
There's also a couple Stock roms around here and the web, there's one called "JBS (just better stock), google it it's light and fast.
By now many of you might've seen this or a similar article already: SamMobile - Poor RAM management affecting the Galaxy S6 and S6 edge
Disabled apps list in Post #9
From my understanding, the OS is over-aggressively causing apps to close in order to retain some sort of free amount of RAM. Could be a memory leak caused by Lollipop or something else, not sure. And just like the article OP said, unused RAM is wasted RAM on Android because it's Linux. Not Windows. So I'm failing to see the issue.
Have you guys been seeing a direct correlation between low amounts of current RAM and Android closing background apps more aggressively over time?
Have your phones been getting slower?
I'm not saying I found a solution but since running the Debloater tool using my own customized set of "disabled" apps, I have managed to free up about 400-500mb of RAM on average. Again the goal of Android isn't to consistently have tons of free RAM and close all the apps because Android is not Windows. But we have been seeing 3GB of RAM getting easily filled up even just after a reboot (well I have). Our phones shouldn't be using the full 3GB of RAM just after boot even with Touchwiz (especially after Samsung's quest to reduce the bloatedness of Touchwiz).
Those more knowledgeable than I please comment!
Anyway, here is my current RAM usage screenshot after disabling those apps I told you about. Not too shabby and I have noticed a bit zippier speeds, especially from screen off to launcher using the fingerprint lock.
This is the built in Touchwiz "RAM booster" that I accidentally found.
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What apps did you disable, do you have a list handy
commandocon said:
What apps did you disable, do you have a list handy
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I will post the modified list of apps to use with that debloater tool when I get some time to re-review it. Originally I used someone elses list but quickly found out that they basically ripped apart the OS with actually causing any FC's. But they also left out important things like the Play Store and others. I don't want to do that to you guys or myself again.
About 800mb free at the moment. I do notice that it spikes upon wake (from about 800 free to 500 free) but quickly resets back near 800. I don't aggressively close apps or anything else like that, so this is after a whole day of video playback, play music, browsing, and phone/text.
So far I haven't noticed any significant memory leak, or at least one that's affecting performance.
I've seem the ram booster somewhere, but can't find it now. Where did you find it.
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mine is generally 800-900 free with no personal interaction on closing anything. i have never touched that stuff. i have not noticed any sluggishness that would make me check RAM and havent even disabled anything but the Verizon labeled stuff.
not saying a technical look doesnt show an issue but as just using it i have not noticed a problem.
How do we get the app sammobile has?
Verizon didnt give it to us
fletch33 said:
mine is generally 800-900 free with no personal interaction on closing anything. i have never touched that stuff. i have not noticed any sluggishness that would make me check RAM and havent even disabled anything but the Verizon labeled stuff.
not saying a technical look doesnt show an issue but as just using it i have not noticed a problem.
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That's good, so that means it isn't everyone. Or at least you haven't done enough on the phone to cause it to basically consume all of the RAM. I know on my white 32gb Edge that I would often only have 200mb free. But since I exchanged that for my 64gb sapphire things have been better. Not sure why.
Either way I'm going to compile the the list from 119 into much less, maybe 70-80, momentarily. Just as to help debloat.
Here's a better list of apps that can be disabled. I added back in several apps that the majority of people would normally use. There may be some that you wouldn't personally use, but just keep in mind some people do. This isn't the ultimate debloat by any means but it does strip out a lot of stuff while leaving the good stuff in tact. Yes there are a couple Verizon things that I left out because some people do actually want to see their account on their phone, etc.
I hope this helps.
In the program, right click on "read device packages" and go to import and import this text file. MAKE SURE TO UNCHECK ALL OF YOUR PERSONAL APPS OR THEY WILL AUTOMATICALLY GET DISABLED. They will be listed as "base.apk" files.
How did you access a ram booster program on the VZW S6 Edge...? Can't find it anywhere...
mdonnelly1127 said:
How did you access a ram booster program on the VZW S6 Edge...? Can't find it anywhere...
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I've been using this app All in one Gestures
I have my back button setup to do "kill app" for a long press. And for some reason when I long press it while in the launcher it pulls up the RAM booster. I've not been able to find it anywhere else. It was purely by accident that I found this lol.
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I've been using this app All in one Gestures
I have my back button setup to do "kill app" for a long press. And for some reason when I long press it while in the launcher it pulls up the RAM booster. I've not been able to find it anywhere else. It was purely by accident that I found this lol.
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Good find. I just set the back button up to "kill app" with a single tap. It will bring up the RAM booster if I long press the back button in the launcher also.
One of the most common signs is memory loss, especially forgetting recently learned information. But i don't face this problem yet.
Just read about an update pushing out to EU S6/Edge devices that (reportedly) fix the memory leak issues. No other word on any other changes, but it's only about 140mb so there can't be that many changes.
Never been crazy about positing external links here, so if you're interested in reading about it just Google it.
I've noticed there is a memory leak after using the device for long periods of time, it's becoming a bit slow and closes a lot of apps that it shouldn't.
Also, opening the camera and using it a little, makes all apps to be reloaded.
I honestly don't feel this has 6 gb of ram, Huawei need to solve those issues, let's make them aware
Derpling said:
I've noticed there is a memory leak after using the device for long periods of time, it's becoming a bit slow and closes a lot of apps that it shouldn't.
Also, opening the camera and using it a little, makes all apps to be reloaded.
I honestly don't feel this has 6 gb of ram, Huawei need to solve those issues, let's make them aware
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I'm not sure why no on is replying to you. I have the Mate 20 X and I noticed this as well. All of my apps were refreshing the other day. My Google Podcast app even closed while I was doing something else. And I couldn't even jump back and forth between two apps without them refreshing. Then I started getting a camera error and it wouldn't go away until I rebooted. After rebooting, everything was fine. Rinse and repeat. This has happened to me several times. While it's nice to know that a reboot fixes it, it's a pretty bad memory leak. I have the International model, so I don't see an update coming any time soon.
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I'm not sure why no on is replying to you. I have the Mate 20 X and I noticed this as well. All of my apps were refreshing the other day. My Google Podcast app even closed while I was doing something else. And I couldn't even jump back and forth between two apps without them refreshing. Then I started getting a camera error and it wouldn't go away until I rebooted. After rebooting, everything was fine. Rinse and repeat. This has happened to me several times. While it's nice to know that a reboot fixes it, it's a pretty bad memory leak. I have the International model, so I don't see an update coming any time soon.
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It's not a memory leak.... The data collection buffer gets full, and a reboot resets this. China intelligence FTW.
....... JK
I've noticed that the camera and 3D live maker, kills all apps after 2 minutes of using those.
I remember the gs7e has done the same but camon, it's annoying that I'll open the camera, and everything will be reloaded.
Also besides Hauwei, Google made some improvements to the memory management in Android Pie, that could be also one of the reasons why.
I get non of this and the lack of replies proves the fact it doesn't exist. I have used mine since I received it with zero slow down.
The apps closing is because of the management of apps in the background. You can set the apps manually so they can run in the background.
This is done by "AI" so if you manage them manually you set them to run in the background and they won't get killed.
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Derpling said:
I've noticed that the camera and 3D live maker, kills all apps after 2 minutes of using those.
I remember the gs7e has done the same but camon, it's annoying that I'll open the camera, and everything will be reloaded.
Also besides Hauwei, Google made some improvements to the memory management in Android Pie, that could be also one of the reasons why.
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Your phone is faulty or you're trolling. The pixel 3 is crap, what you're describing here doesn't exist!
Having the same issue but I don't think it's a memory leak. Just Huawei agressive style of handling ram/apps.
Phone doesn't like anything not installed by defualt.
the memory management is horrifically aggressive. It'll be the thing that makes me get rid of it if I cant sort it out. I'm assuming this has happened with one of the updates as I've watched youtube videos of this phone being amazing on the speed tests and keeping apps in memory. Assume this was either on a pre-release ROM or an early version that reviewers are most likely to use.
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My phone wont even do play-store automatic updates overnight while charging (like EVERY other phone i've ever had has been able to do).
Jonathan-H said:
I get non of this and the lack of replies proves the fact it doesn't exist. I have used mine since I received it with zero slow down.
The apps closing is because of the management of apps in the background. You can set the apps manually so they can run in the background.
This is done by "AI" so if you manage them manually you set them to run in the background and they won't get killed.
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Your phone is faulty or you're trolling. The pixel 3 is crap, what you're describing here doesn't exist!
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You're the only one trolling here. Are you really such a hardcore fanboy that you're incapable of acknowledging that it could be a different software build? Chinese version vs International? I just got an update on my International model yesterday which may or may not have resolved this. It doesn't mean it wasn't a real issue. I have owned just about every major smartphone since the original iPhone, including all of the Mate phones and I also test them for a living. Some of us are actually speaking from experience, not bias.
Issue is there, but using open camera doesn't kill tasks compared to stock app, so it's hauwei aggressive memory management again.
Not noticed anything here, I sometimes have quite a heavy usage, multiple apps. No unintended closed apps. Phone is always very fast. Looking into the phone manager from time to time there's always 95% free.
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I'm a one app at once guy... so no problem for me, i always close the app after i use it
The memory management on this phone is definitely rather strange. Yes, you can force specific apps to stay prioritized in the background, but it doesn't seem like there are any benefits to the hyper-aggressive method Huawei employs. What I find irritating isn't the way resident apps are juggled, but the way the app you are using acts like it is being starved of ram all the time. I need to try out a bunch of different browsers, so far the few I have been using feel like I am running a 2015 build of Chrome on a Windows machine with 256 Meg of Ram.
Try removing the stock launcher, and you will see a big difference m
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So the stock launcher is the culprit? Any other bloatware that we can remove??
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I'm not sure why no on is replying to you. I have the Mate 20 X and I noticed this as well. All of my apps were refreshing the other day. My Google Podcast app even closed while I was doing something else. And I couldn't even jump back and forth between two apps without them refreshing. Then I started getting a camera error and it wouldn't go away until I rebooted. After rebooting, everything was fine. Rinse and repeat. This has happened to me several times. While it's nice to know that a reboot fixes it, it's a pretty bad memory leak. I have the International model, so I don't see an update coming any time soon.
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I have the exact same problem on my Mate 20 Pro.
Works great after reboot but after using it I sometimes can't even go to switch app mode and return to app without it reloading. Since it is coming with time used I also think it is a memory mangement problem.
I am on EMUI 9.0.0.153
Removing Huawei launcher via ADB, seems to fix some of it, but it's annoying nonetheless
I have the same issue. After using the device for some time, from Developer Options > Running Services, the System portion consumes most of the memory, leaving very little left for cached processes.
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After a reboot, the System memory usages goes down to normal, until normal usage causes it to build up again until another reboot is required.
It definitely looks like some kind of memory leak.
Same issue here. I wish there was a way to schedule a restart overnight.
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Same issue here. I wish there was a way to schedule a restart overnight.
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There is, go to smart assistance then scheduled power on/off...
Derpling said:
There is, go to smart assistance then scheduled power on/off...
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Great thanks! I've now set it to restart every Monday overnight... Let's see how that goes