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When will it come flash?

Hi,
Im from germany and some features wont run over here like navigating... this is ok but when to hell will flash be avaible?! They sell a phone with flash support but months after realese nothing of it...

Flash will be part of the next Android OS update... Android OS 2.2.. aka Froyo... read this... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=671619
When will it release... whenever Google thinks Froyo is ready...

It will either be out on May 19th, or a proper date for when it is going to be released will be announced then. Either way, I think the 19th is the day that you will know for sure what happening.
On that note, this is why Flash is BAD. Every manufacture except Apple is waiting on Adobe here, and this is the exact reason why Apple wants nothing to do with them. Relying on flash means relying on Adobe and they have a TERRIBLE track record.
Everyone rags on Apple for not wanting flash on there devices, but come on Apple has released 3 major revisions of their platform and is about to release a 4th and Adobe STILL doesn't have a full blown production version of flash running on a single device yet. They are the new Internet Explorer, holding the web back.

Bets on getting froyo by the end of the year

So I am betting we do not get froyo before the end of the year. What I mean is the official release will not be this year. My question is, why is it that most of the other phones that can handle froyo already have had it for months, but Samsung is so behind and can't get it out the door?
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Since nothing constructive can come out of this thread, I'll direct you toward a thread on another forum with the same topic being covered:
http://androidforums.com/samsung-captivate/229120-froyo-over-under.html

Hmm.. I'm going to still say before Christmas.
As it is now Samsung Epic has the official Froyo build from Samsung. So... one can only hope.

This thread is a waste:
1. Samsung still says by the End of Year we will have Froyo. They never said we would have it earlier - only the international i9000 was specified as November
2. Epic got a leaked release - it is not official Froyo. It may turn out to be, but there is not official annoucnement from Sprint or Samsung that Froyo has been released for the Epic.
People need to get facts straight. They may not be what anyone wants to hear, but they are the facts.

alphadog00 said:
This thread is a waste:
1. Samsung still says by the End of Year we will have Froyo. They never said we would have it earlier - only the international i9000 was specified as November
2. Epic got a leaked release - it is not official Froyo. It may turn out to be, but there is not official annoucnement from Sprint or Samsung that Froyo has been released for the Epic.
People need to get facts straight. They may not be what anyone wants to hear, but they are the facts.
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I thought the same Epic release was hosted on Google's servers so... doesn't that make it official?

lol.. what I get for reading Endgadget while on the pot

SkitchBeatz said:
I thought the same Epic release was hosted on Google's servers so... doesn't that make it official?
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Google hosts all kinds of stuff. It could be any one of the Beta builds pushed out to testers OTA.
If it were official, don't you think Samsung and Sprint would be shouting about it?
One web site had this post:
"I don't think this is the real deal.t The only phones that got the OTA were one with a hardware version endind with .4 ,these are test phones. Every production Epic is a .5 phone. You can check your version by looking at (about phone) in the settings menu."
Although it is 2.2.1 - most sites are saying now it is most likely a leaked Dev build.

My 2c is that ATT couldn't really care less if they push out 2.2..so I doubt the Captivate will ever have an official upgrade to froyo..just too expensive in terms of R&D..remember, we're dealing with Ma Bell here-just under a different dress

HTC recently released a ROM update on their site for the AT$T Tilt 2. Info about it was nowhere to be found on the AT$T site. This is a phone that is no longer in production and near the end of its life cycle, but AT$T thought enough of it to release not only an updated ROM with fixes, but with the nicer Sense 2.5 UI instead of the original TF3D 2.1. I think a Froyo update from AT$T for our phones will eventually come.

I'm still shooting for St. Patrick's Day, around the end of Q1.

Gingerbread official update announcement (UK)

Out of curiosity, I just sent an enquiry to HTC UK about when they might be officially updating the device to 2.3.3 or a subsequent version. Here's the answer I got:
"Thank you very much for contacting the HTC technical support help desk. We are excited to announce that HTC Incredible will receive the Gingerbread (Android 2.3) update in Summer 2011. Stay tuned for details as we get closer to the update availability. Please, for HTC INCREDIBLE S downloads and useful information about your device goes to: http://www.htc.com/uk/help_howtos.aspx?p_id=389"
I don't know about all of you, but this disappoints me - the Desire S is about to be released and yet that will be shipping with 2.3.3. And 'Summer'? That could easily be as late as September. This is all starting to sound very similar to the last time I was burned by HTC when I had a Hero and I was hanging around for 6 months waiting for a 2.x update from Android 1.5.
Anyway, I've told them I don't think this is good enough. I just hope someone finds a root exploit soon so there's a chance of me keeping vaguely up to date with new Android versions. Otherwise I'm going to be more and more tempted to sell this thing on later in the year and find something a bit more update-friendly.

to be honest, that just sound like the marketing department haven't been told anything, and that is a safe, wide target area, I wouldn't read too much into it.
I too suffered the Hero saga, don't want a repeat of that

l0st.prophet said:
to be honest, that just sound like the marketing department haven't been told anything, and that is a safe, wide target area, I wouldn't read too much into it.
I too suffered the Hero saga, don't want a repeat of that
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I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to release an update within the next month or so, rather than 'Summer'. It's the vagueness that concerns me more than anything else!
Also, am I right in thinking that all Incredible S models ship without any carrier/network specific branding or functions within the software? I'm hopeful that will cut down the time it takes to build and release the update.

I think the update comes in May or June the latest. You figure this phone is gone be in Canada on Virgin and Bell sometime early April and in the states on Verizon at the end of April. I figure once the phone is more widely available the update will come. If we are lucky maybe the official gingerbread rom for the Incredible S gets leaked in April.

According to Engadget Chinese (during the press conference of Desire S announcement in Taiwan), hTC representative suggested that Gingerbread for Incredible S would be available "in next 2 weeks". Considering European countries always get the OTA update earlier than Asia Pacific region (Desire, Desire HD, Desire Z, Aria, Legend...). If the news is true, UK should probably get the update in April.
And also they announced a partnership with Skype to provide customized version of Skype in 2.3 update to include video call ability, which is a great news for us. Just hope this Skype version works better than the one in Market...

doctorsax said:
Out of curiosity, I just sent an enquiry to HTC UK about when they might be officially updating the device to 2.3.3 or a subsequent version. Here's the answer I got:
"Thank you very much for contacting the HTC technical support help desk. We are excited to announce that HTC Incredible will receive the Gingerbread (Android 2.3) update in Summer 2011. Stay tuned for details as we get closer to the update availability. Please, for HTC INCREDIBLE S downloads and useful information about your device goes to: http://www.htc.com/uk/help_howtos.aspx?p_id=389"
I don't know about all of you, but this disappoints me - the Desire S is about to be released and yet that will be shipping with 2.3.3. And 'Summer'? That could easily be as late as September. This is all starting to sound very similar to the last time I was burned by HTC when I had a Hero and I was hanging around for 6 months waiting for a 2.x update from Android 1.5.
Anyway, I've told them I don't think this is good enough. I just hope someone finds a root exploit soon so there's a chance of me keeping vaguely up to date with new Android versions. Otherwise I'm going to be more and more tempted to sell this thing on later in the year and find something a bit more update-friendly.
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I had similar bs answer from them..
my enquiry was that as I purchased the phone sim/ carrier free, and it is the carriers who will release the update..which carrier sim wld I need to be using to get it?
in fact the reply bypassed the question completely, saying just 'most carriers wld release the updat (really htc? so do i have to use a sim from a carrier that supports IS???)...and then went on to say 'what is more important is that when the OTA is released by your carrier, make sure you are using wifi to download..
All I wanted was straight answer like 'O2 will def be releasing the update, it doesnt come direct from us, and expect it in xyz'..
HTC havent even released it to carriers yet, so when they do that'l take another couple of months for them to tamper with it..HTC obviously have a finished product which works with sense ui as they've been parading it around on the Desire S..so must be ready for release before now.

chrisr27 said:
I had similar bs answer from them..
my enquiry was that as I purchased the phone sim/ carrier free, and it is the carriers who will release the update..which carrier sim wld I need to be using to get it?
in fact the reply bypassed the question completely, saying just 'most carriers wld release the updat (really htc? so do i have to use a sim from a carrier that supports IS???)...and then went on to say 'what is more important is that when the OTA is released by your carrier, make sure you are using wifi to download..
All I wanted was straight answer like 'O2 will def be releasing the update, it doesnt come direct from us, and expect it in xyz'..
HTC havent even released it to carriers yet, so when they do that'l take another couple of months for them to tamper with it..HTC obviously have a finished product which works with sense ui as they've been parading it around on the Desire S..so must be ready for release before now.
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More likely than not, the official update will get leaked anyway, so I wouldn't worry too much about that if you're lurking here as you'll probably see it here first. I'm on 3 in the UK who definitely don't support this phone, so this is what I'll probably be relying on unless the update comes direct from HTC. I wouldn't rely on HTC support to know where it's coming from, they're clearly as much in the dark as we are but have to give an answer of some kind. They don't count on people actually being clued up already, sadly.
I agree that if the Desire S is getting it, we should be getting it soon, but I do understand if there's a short delay due to it having to be tested fully on differing hardware. It's just the vagueness and the timescale that gets to me.

if the official update does get leaked, could it be installed without root?
update def won't be from HTC direct, thats the one thing they are adamant about..your's is a perfect example of a carrier that therefore wouldnt be releasing the update..and as for the clowns at 3 dont get me started..I had a DHD from 3, contacted them about a ginbgerbread update and they just told me they were'nt doing it and that 2.1 was the latest version 3 had...erm, hello 3..i bought the phone from your shop with 2.2 already on it!
glad i got rid of my dhd tho...IS is tons better

question about roms of WP8 and one for devs

about the rom, i want to know is WP8 rom are all Microsoft?
i mean if Microsoft put an OTA update on there cloud will i get is on the same day on 8X or 920?
or its like android where nokia or htc have to deliver it after optimization for there phone?
and for devs if some one is working on hacking WP8? and if soo is it going to be a custom rom or a jailbreak like IOS?
thanks

Won't be anything like IOS, far far far from It. It'll be exactly like WP7. Each device will require different exploits.
Some devices will get custom mods(hopefully), some won't. Simple as that.
Regarding your first question all updates come from Microsoft.
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The process with WP7 has been like this:
- Microsoft develops the OS specific updates
- Updates get sent to OEMs and Carriers for Testing and driver updates in case of the OEMs
- after approval by their partners Microsoft deploys the updates from their servers
There has been lots of speculation that with the introduction of the OTA Update system Microsoft will push smaller OS updates without carrier/oem testing. Actually installing an additional language pack for voice recognition which many people have done already uses that same update system. Core system updates still will have to go through the OEMs to ensure there are no compatibility issues with their hardware.
In that way there is no guarantee that all updates will be pushed to all devices in the same timeframe (Microsoft has never notified all devices of an update on the same day - they are using a staggered approach that rolls out updates over 3 - 4 weeks, similar to what they are doing with XBox dashboard updates, though it seems that manually checking on the phone should make the update appear anyway).
All in all past updates following Nodo (Microsoft's first update to WP7) have arrived on the majority of phones over such a 3-4 week timeframe, although there have been exceptions (Tango was not rolled out on some US carriers at all and Telefonica in spain regularly lagged behind by some months).

thanks ppl !! i got it now! i just hope in WP8 it wont be like android where users wait 6 months for a jelly been update or 4.1 -> 4.2

How long do you think ppl have been waiting for 7.8, duh

Taurenking said:
How long do you think ppl have been waiting for 7.8, duh
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i meant after the update is published and has been delivered to HTC Samsung and ech

7.8 went RTM around two weeks ago. People are waiting for updates naturally but it's not like Microsoft releases them for some while everyone else has to wait.

soo basically we will never escape the wait for an update... beside nexus but i dont like android...

Is Oreo update for Unlocked Note 8 Snapdragon Out?

Basically the title! I know the Snapdragon variant for Oreo is out and we can flash via Odin, but as far as I know all those builds get you bloatware and boot animations. I'm wondering if Oreo build is out for the unlocked version, one where you get the pure Samsung firmware without any carrier third parties.

not yet

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not yet
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Sad. Thank you

You figure the unlocked phones would be the first ones to get it since there is no extra crap in the ROM, but it's not the case.

KryogenikX said:
You figure the unlocked phones would be the first ones to get it since there is no extra crap in the ROM, but it's not the case.
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It used to be that way, certainly in Europe. I expect that providers in USA have made deal with Sammy to wait with the FW updates for the unbranded/ unlocked until the providers have pushed out their updates, this to lure customers to buy phones and services from the big providers.

OnnoJ said:
It used to be that way, certainly in Europe. I expect that providers in USA have made deal with Sammy to wait with the FW updates for the unbranded/ unlocked until the providers have pushed out their updates, this to lure customers to buy phones and services from the big providers.
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Yea, does make sense.

ptheguy said:
Basically the title! I know the Snapdragon variant for Oreo is out and we can flash via Odin, but as far as I know all those builds get you bloatware and boot animations. I'm wondering if Oreo build is out for the unlocked version, one where you get the pure Samsung firmware without any carrier third parties.
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Oreo for the Snapdragon is not out yet. Just the Exynos. The Oreo builds for the Snapdragon all come from leaked OTA zips. It has not been officially released so no Oreo ODIN files exist for the N8.

Mr. Orange 645 said:
Oreo for the Snapdragon is not out yet. Just the Exynos. The Oreo builds for the Snapdragon all come from leaked OTA zips. It has not been officially released so no Oreo ODIN files exist for the N8.
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Well I wouldn't say they don't exist at all. There's an xda thread on how to flash N8 to Oreo. Issue is the build is carrier build so you get bloatware and boot animations even on an unlocked phone. But if you meant the unlocked version, then yeah I don't think there's a build out yet.

ptheguy said:
Well I wouldn't say they don't exist at all. There's an xda thread on how to flash N8 to Oreo. Issue is the build is carrier build so you get bloatware and boot animations even on an unlocked phone. But if you meant the unlocked version, then yeah I don't think there's a build out yet.
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I would say that. The thread for flashing Oreo involved using ODIN to flash a specific version of NOUGAT. Then, as I stated, you use a leaked OTA zip to update to Oreo.
So no, ODIN files for OREO are NOT available.

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You figure the unlocked phones would be the first ones to get it since there is no extra crap in the ROM, but it's not the case.
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It used to be that way, certainly in Europe. I expect that providers in USA have made deal with Sammy to wait with the FW updates for the unbranded/ unlocked until the providers have pushed out their updates, this to lure customers to buy phones and services from the big providers.
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ptheguy said:
Basically the title! I know the Snapdragon variant for Oreo is out and we can flash via Odin, but as far as I know all those builds get you bloatware and boot animations. I'm wondering if Oreo build is out for the unlocked version, one where you get the pure Samsung firmware without any carrier third parties.
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This is actually pretty upsetting. I went out of my way, avoiding all the carriers great buy one get one deals, to buy direct from Samsung thinking I was going to get priority updates. I really honestly would have bet money on getting Oreo before the carrier Note 8's did.
Naivety at its best I guess. Meanwhile I've been running Android P on my Pixel 2 XL for almost a month now. My Note 8 will never see Android P, at least not while I own it. Kinda sad.

I wouldn't expect Oreo until near when the Note 9 comes out (in the US)

supergear said:
I wouldn't expect Oreo until near when the Note 9 comes out (in the US)
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No, that's months away, and Oreo is already rolling out for Note 8. Definitely won't be that long.

OnnoJ said:
It used to be that way, certainly in Europe. I expect that providers in USA have made deal with Sammy to wait with the FW updates for the unbranded/ unlocked until the providers have pushed out their updates, this to lure customers to buy phones and services from the big providers.
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Yeah, I agree. The sufferings of capitalism and putting money before costumers.
Anyhow, I don't get why S8 and S8+ are getting updates and Note 8 isn't. Like I haven't even heard of carriers actually releasing Note 8 OTA for Oreo yet. On the one hand, I want to be optimistic and think that's because they're implementing newer features in N8 version, or perhaps releasing Oreo 8.1. On the other, I think that's not true and they just wanna piss us off. N8 is the latest Note flagship, they gotta take care of it!

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Yeah, I agree. The sufferings of capitalism and putting money before costumers.
Anyhow, I don't get why S8 and S8+ are getting updates and Note 8 isn't. Like I haven't even heard of carriers actually releasing Note 8 OTA for Oreo yet. On the one hand, I want to be optimistic and think that's because they're implementing newer features in N8 version, or perhaps releasing Oreo 8.1. On the other, I think that's not true and they just wanna piss us off. N8 is the latest Note flagship, they gotta take care of it!
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If you took a moment to search the forums before commenting that Samsung is not taking care of note8 users it would be awesome. Just because it's a flagship does not mean it will get updates first.
Note8 series is not the best selling popular Samsung phone. S series is the main bread and butter for Samsung.
Past couple of years I have been following Samsung and it's update cycle, it's always S series first and then N series.
Just have patience and again learn to use the search function sometimes. This discussion has happened multiple times and answer always is if you need immediate updates get Apple/pixel phone. If you can live with decent delayed updates, go for s series.
If you care for good hardware and build but ok update speed (updates will come for sure) note series helps .

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If you took a moment to search the forums before commenting that Samsung is not taking care of note8 users it would be awesome. Just because it's a flagship does not mean it will get updates first.
Note8 series is not the best selling popular Samsung phone. S series is the main bread and butter for Samsung.
Past couple of years I have been following Samsung and it's update cycle, it's always S series first and then N series.
Just have patience and again learn to use the search function sometimes. This discussion has happened multiple times and answer always is if you need immediate updates get Apple/pixel phone. If you can live with decent delayed updates, go for s series.
If you care for good hardware and build but ok update speed (updates will come for sure) note series helps .
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I know you probably think you were being helpful, but it was peppered with such an absolute undertone of condescension I don't care to read anything you ever write again.
Maybe try reading it out loud before posting next time?

Namolas said:
I know you probably think you were being helpful, but it was peppered with such an absolute undertone of condescension I don't care to read anything you ever write again.
Maybe try reading it out loud before posting next time?
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I am just making a point that people need to search the forums before posting any comments. Also no one should feel entitled that since its a flagship or they paid big bucks, that the manufacturer should drop everything and cater to their needs. Samsung never promised faster updates than s series. It has always been like that.
None the less everyone is entitled to their opinion. You can read it or choose to ignore it and move on.

Got Oreo (OTA) to my unlocked Note 8 (SM-N950F) yesterday - so at least in Europe it is out and deliveries started.

I could be wrong but.. I think this at 1st was about a PHONE. I guess life is a slap in the face to some.. they express it to all..
I manually put it on my phone. Securty update is March 1st. Never had one problem. Runs great...

Zeblade said:
I could be wrong but.. I think this at 1st was about a PHONE. I guess life is a slap in the face to some.. they express it to all..
I manually put it on my phone. Securty update is March 1st. Never had one problem. Runs great...
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I doubt you have the unlocked version one. Is it bloatware free and boot animations free?

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I am just making a point that people need to search the forums before posting any comments. Also no one should feel entitled that since its a flagship or they paid big bucks, that the manufacturer should drop everything and cater to their needs. Samsung never promised faster updates than s series. It has always been like that.
None the less everyone is entitled to their opinion. You can read it or choose to ignore it and move on.
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I know I know, some people will be ok even samsung releases the OREO next year. Because they never promised right... I wonder what they have promised. OMG...some people just....