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LCD less contrast and color appearing yellowish

Hi, PAL,
Since I brought my HTC Diamond HK WWE version on June, and compare with my several friends of HK_Traditional Chinese Version 1.37.842.....
and discovered that mine having much higher contrast as all of my friend's one less contrast and color appearing yellowish....
I'm sure it is the difference of LCD/hardware, as I've flash several ROMs included the said version...
So, does HTC change the spec or supplier of LCD display???
Do anyone has idea of this phenomena ??
THX
Kelvin

hi all,
My Diamond's LCD is also less contrast and the white background appears yellowish. I found out that this batch shipment has this problem and I have checked more than 10 new sets.
Hopefully HTC is looking into this problem. Really disappointed!!
rgds
Frank

Same here. I have 2 Diamonds, bought a month apart. The new one (arrived today) has lighter contrast and the white screens have a yellow tint. Very disappointing.

Mine also same bought 1 week ago after compare with few friends, Is that the batch problem or HTC going to cut cost using lower grade LCD for future set. Very disappointing (for those who's bought 1 week ago u might think your LCD is prefect, go and compare with 1st batch quality u will go )

So, does anyone contact HTC to get their explanation??
Personally, I'll complaint such disappointed deviation and give them pressure.
Wish you get htc positive response..

hmm, might be that it is just the 'calibration' of the light sensor. When you disable "automatic adjust backlight" and use the slider to set your backlight, all looks fine I believe

Disabling automatic backlight doesn't help improving contrast/saturation...
Would be awesome if someone could come up with a hack that made it possible to adjust contrast on the Diamond... I've played with Resco Photo Viewer and by increasing contrast on photos all looks extremely good.
It's completely insane that they let us adjust backlight strenght but not contrast!!! A contrast settings slider would help tremendously for us with the low contrast / washed out screens!

we knows that htc provided lcd from 2 factories...one that's more white and another that they said more bilanced in color..but if you compare 1 to 1 seems to be better the first...this is not only for the diamond!!!i had 2 htc touch that had the same problem!!!so..be happy with your diamond..white or yellow that is..
p.s i a have yellow..

i am buyers 16.7.2008 is white my friend buyers 15.10.2008 he i yellow

Noam23 said:
I know that I'm not the only one reporting this, but I'm the first one to provide pictures and video that prove that the problem is not so small as some might think.
It seems HTC started to use lower quality LCD screens with some (maybe all) of the newer Diamond units. These screens have a yellowish tint, and seem to have lower contrast.
Here is the proof (it's a comparison with my old Kaiser):
(both devices are at maximum backlight, and the Diamond's "auto backlight" option is off)
Pictures:
http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=10590_Picture_003_122_764lo.jpg
http://img24.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=10597_Picture_005_122_672lo.jpg
The difference seen in the picture is a bit exaggarated in comparison to what I see in real life (even though I did not touch the picture with any editing software, this is right from the camera), so I've included a video too, which more accurately portray the differences:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cVGORLm-Qc
(in real life the difference is just a bit more pronounced than in this video)
It is important to notice that without a direct comparison to a unit like the Kaiser (or the first batch of Diamonds), it might be hard to know that your Diamond has this phenomena, because even with this phenomena the screen look decent.
My fear is that both types of LCD screens are going to sell with new Diamond units from now on, making those who bought the yellowish screen unable to ever sell the unit for a decent amount of money (when they feel like upgrading).
We need a formal answer from HTC regarding this issue.
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Here are two Diamonds I have on me right now. Notice the color washout on one of it. Both are having the same ROM and brightness settings.
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ou2mame said:
i just received my replacement touch pro, and the screen is very yellowish, compared to the crisp white screen of my older one... anyone else experience this? i'm going to have to call sprint and have them mail me another one.
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Me too, I was sending my TP to repair after using it for 2 months, due some really dissapointed problem like the LCD screen bottom corner peeling off and sliding keyboard starting to become not align with the body.
So they said they're going to replace the LCD 1st and return to me while waiting for the new stock of sliding keyboard. So I just got back my TP from SIS (HTC Malaysian Distributor) today, and found that the screen became VERY yellowish and terrible in different angle-viewing, besides, the new LCD screen viewing angle is terrible, some more fading off and cloudy, like covered with a greyish+yellowish cloud like that!
I did complain to the girl @ SIS, but she said she can't do anything! "this is the NEW BATCH of original screen from HTC!"
But after 'google' thru the net, I've found a lot of other country Touch Pro/Diamond has this issue. And get replaced a new one for them by HTC. Then why Malaysian can't?! This is unfair!!!!!
LET'S SHOUT THIS OUT LOUD TILL THEY REPLACE IT FOR US!!! Check this out, more others has this dissapointing & terrible quality problem for this expensive device!!!
Check these out! >>>
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411487
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/785754/+2080
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=50388

[Q] Screen Color Balance Warm?

Just received an Incredible S & have a few questions. Is this the normal color temperature for it's screen. The phone on the right is a Samsung Exhibit II. Both should be at full brightness. Whites on the IncS look like a cream color.
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Also odd that I bought the phone from Amazon.com & it seems to be meant for the India according to the software # & that English (India) was the only language option. No wonder there was no sense update. The warranty should still be ok in the US?
I got this phone to use with my legacy T-Mobile data plan for 4g & tethering. Both work fine unlike the Exhibit II but I notice that the wifi hotspot shows a 3g symbol. I seem to be getting 4g speeds tethered(other then ping) to just testing on the phone. So the 3g wifi hotspot is really 4g where there is service?

Can anyone just look at their phone LCD & compare it to another phone or their monitor & tell me if the colors on this phone are suppose to be like this?

I've ask this on another Android forum & have gotten no replies there either. I don't know why, but I hope this isn't how the screen should be normally & everyone is in denial. In any case contacted tech support & they do agree that the color balance is too warm in that picture. So I will be sending it in soon & hope that I get better screen back.

youthcom said:
I've ask this on another Android forum & have gotten no replies there either. I don't know why, but I hope this isn't how the screen should be normally & everyone is in denial. In any case contacted tech support & they do agree that the color balance is too warm in that picture. So I will be sending it in soon & hope that I get better screen back.
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my screen seems normal compared to my mac... guess your piece is faulty ... good luck with the new one

HTC repair had a pretty quick turnaround getting my phone back to me in about a week. Unfortunately they don't tell you what they fixed/replaced. I sent it in for loose USB & warm color screen. The USB is better & even the speaker sounds a little better, but the screen I still think is rather on the warm color temperature side.
Can I have some more confirmation from other Incredible S users if the colors are really this off. It's a shame since the screen looks nice with anything besides white. It's something I could probably live with if this is just how it is with this phone(maybe I'm just too use to cooler screens). Here's another photo comparison to my old Nokia N900. I know the camera has it's own white balance processing but this is how it really looks to my eyes.

Same thing on mine, I think they want to mimic the color temp of AMOLED display that I hate. TBH I really hate AMOLED over saturated colors. Still this thing is a little better than AMOLED still it's nowhere as good as my Dell UltraSharp .

So I'm not alone, but is this the norm or just a panel lottery? I wonder why they can't just supply software controls like on PC's so we can adjust colors to our liking.

I guess this issue is only with the incredible S manufactured lately...one of my friend bought INC S some two weeks back...I compares it with mine (I got it when it got released) n found put that the display had a yellow tint...we reported to the shopkeeper... he told us that this issue is only with latest INC S...
Sent from my HTC Incredible S using xda premium

two of my friends have inc's and their screens have the blueish white tint to the screen as mine is a warmer yellowish tint.
i had to replace the screen on mine a couple of weeks ago and it still has the warmer tint .
have gotten used to it and i only notice if i put it next to my friends phones..

It is a bit warm colour on my IS as well, especially when I compared it to nexus s SLCD version. However, before the comparison I did not feel any uncomfortable looking at the screen.
Without proper tool to analyse the screen and give detailed statistics, It's hard to tell if It's faulty or not.
Different manufacturer/technology makes different screen, such as super amoled tends to be greenish on nexus s and lots of people love it. So I think It's down to personal preference and taste.
However, if you think yours is too warm, don't hesitate to get a replacement.
Sent from my HTC Incredible S using XDA App

THe first batch of Incredible S phones had a ACER manufactured screen, but later the displays came from SHARP which have not the same quality.
I saw this on a Dutch forum:
This guy has 3 Incredible S (don't ask me why.)
Phone A: Bought on 17-03-2011
Phone B: Bought on 20-07-2011
Phone C: Bought on 18-04-2011
It looks like Phone A and C are from the first batch and B with a SHARP screen.
HTC does this also with other phones like the Sensation

So on the chance that HTC would replace my screen I wonder if one could specifically request an Acer? Probably not and they might not even have those screens anymore.
Not sure if ACER would be better anyway since I found this about the Sensation screens "To really sum it up, the Sharp screen is slightly less "vivid" than the Acer. But the Acer has ghosting, tearing and flickering. In short: more issues."

Xperia T - Mediocre Display

I've been testing the Xperia T for a week. It is very fast, literally flies, and has a very acceptable battery life.
My complaint is with the screen. Not only is worse than xperia Ion, but is slightly lower than xperia s. Judge for yourselves:
Xperia S - Xperia T - Xperia ION
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The Xperia ION screen looks vibrant, with punchy colors, with stellar contrast and very deep blacks, so deeps that the screen seems to merge with the frame, and also has excellent viewing angles. In fact, looks like an IPS display, very close to greater screens out there like iPhone or HTC one X. Maybe the ION has the best display that Sony has ever made. The problem is that even the xperia s has a better screen than the Xperia T. The display on Xperia T looks washed out, lacking contrast, seems as if the glass and the screen were far apart from each other.
The new flagship of Sony it's a great device with fantastic design, but the screen is mediocre. Why Sony does not put all his best hardware on their flagship? It's difficult to understand.

What was the brightness settings, when you tested them?
This looks weird, that there is almost nothing on the display (just black) on some pictures.

peetr_ said:
What was the brightness settings, when you tested them?
This looks weird, that there is almost nothing on the display (just black) on some pictures.
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brightness set on 30% on all three

Hmm, and that's it, 30% on one of them doesn't mean the same brightness level on second of them.
One of them could be 30% = 100 level
Second of them could be 30% = 150 level
And even if the levels are same, the voltage can be different on each other.
Only serious testing is with 100% brightness.

Maybe you got a piece which has a defaulted screen?

Full Brightness, 100% on both:
(Left ION - Right Xperia T)

Wow that's pretty crazy difference. The ion does have a great screen.

maybe Bravia engine not working on T (faulty)? Looks like it. Can you post images with BE off (to rule out this possibility)?

Looks like the gamma is too high.

i heard something about Xperia T using a new Screen protector! You took that away before testing?

Xperia Ion has a great display! omg i regret not buying it :9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cu2Jmz2FEU
The difference btwn the colors of the t&v goes to show that the t isn't really sony's flagship and that the v is.

Right now i'm thinking about to sell Ion and buy an T, but after this pictures, i don't know... And, as i understood, the screen of T is smaller because of the virtual buttoms, right? But anyway, this is a Bond's phone , and it runs on S4, and it have a great design, so, i'm still not sure of my decision
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I don't have an Ion to compare against, but the screen on my T looks to be much better than this one.
Colours and contrast as very good, the black fades into the screen surround. The auto brightness is very aggressive though.

Pity Sony doesn't pay much attention to what screen it puts into a phone. This is exactly as the thread title says: mediocre display. If a manufacturer doesn't get it that the screen in a smartphone is one of the most important things then I don't know how Sony wants to succeed. They could at least put a good quality IPS panel into their flagship device. Sony has to learn from HTC or Apple.

I would agree, i find the picture on these phones quite 'washed out', the colours compared to a galaxy S3 are very dull. I know screen tech is different, but even my old Arc (LT15i) had a better saturated screen than this....i may report it and see what O2 UK / Sony UK say.

I believe, Sony will succeed. I am going to buy T, even after watching these pictures. Nothing is perfect, but still I find this phone to be the best device with cost/performance comparison for couple of upcoming months. I know, that the screen is something that I can adapt to. I could adapt to GN screen and I could adapt to Photon screen. Two screens, miles away one from each other. And for me, any LCD is better than Amoled.

spida_singh said:
I would agree, i find the picture on these phones quite 'washed out', the colours compared to a galaxy S3 are very dull. I know screen tech is different, but even my old Arc (LT15i) had a better saturated screen than this....i may report it and see what O2 UK / Sony UK say.
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It's important to clarify this issue, and see if my screen is defective, a prototype, or simply Sony putting bad screens in their flagship.

I assumed the display was mind blowing. Now. I am unsure if I will buy it

Ive been closely looking at it, it looks to be very sensitive to he actual viewing angles, whilst playing temple run, if i slightly angled the screen closer or away from my eyes, the colours became washed out, and then vivid again when tilting up right.
The screen, when looking head on is fine, colours are vivid, we used the Mclaren P1 Reality app to test, and the Samsung Galaxy S3 blew away colour reproduction on this device.

Colors of display: too warm???

look at this at 6:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIWYp6ZXe-s&list=UUO_vmeInQm5Z6dEZ6R5Kk0A&index=1&feature=plcp
i like way better the whites of iphone :crying:

nic85 said:
look at this at 6:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIWYp6ZXe-s&list=UUO_vmeInQm5Z6dEZ6R5Kk0A&index=1&feature=plcp
i like way better the whites of iphone :crying:
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Didn't watch the video, but the color temp is rather balanced. It isn't too warm. I own an iPhone 5 as well and the Nexus display looks just as good.

Quite honestly it's going to vary wildly from unit to unit as well. I recall once putting 4 iPhone 4's right next to one another and one was green, one was purple, one was orange, and one was blue.

Its not possible to gauge LCD color from a video because the camera changes what it thinks is supposed to be white to pure white, its called white balance. The camera is being white balanced to the iphone, which screws up the way the Nexus looks, it is probably white balancing the iphone because its a lot brighter.
Comparing the colors of LCD's from pictures is pointless, you have to know what you are doing and be using a camera that can set a manual white balance.
As for the whites on the Nexus 4, they are great but should actually be a little bit warmer.

I'm with the op..
I had my Nexus 4 up against an iphone 5 and there's no comparison, the iphone 5's screen blows it out of the water.
I then had it up to the old Galaxy S II I had and the screen was immensely better as well.
Only thing that it looked better then was my nexus 7, and that isnt saying much...

It can be different between devices. I've read that some devices didn't have time for the glue to fully cure and they had a warmer tint because of it, but after a couple days it was sorted out. Possibly the phone in the video has the same problem?
Check out this review. I linked to a spot where he has an all white page for a little bit and you can clearly see it's nowhere close to the phone in your video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4721lNCuteQ#t=186s

gtg465x said:
Didn't watch the video, but the color temp is rather balanced. It isn't too warm. I own an iPhone 5 as well and the Nexus display looks just as good.
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if you own both,please wattch that video...are colors in iphone 5 display more vivid?

Much better comparison IMO here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E406xXr4Mok
And you guys are crazy, or are really hard to please, because this display is gorgeous.

TotalBS said:
It can be different between devices. I've read that some devices didn't have time for the glue to fully cure and they had a warmer tint because of it, but after a couple days it was sorted out. Possibly the phone in the video has the same problem?
Check out this review. I linked to a spot where he has an all white page for a little bit and you can clearly see it's nowhere close to the phone in your video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4721lNCuteQ#t=186s
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Dude that's a Galaxy Nexus and an iphone 4... the guy is completely ripping off Armando Ferreira's video... and he has comments pending approval so nobody can correct him and put up a creative license LA so he won't be taken down... this has to be the biggest douchebag I've ever seen...

It is highly possible that even the Nexus 4 uses different IPS panels.
We've seen things like that in many devices, be it phones, laptops, and even TVs. Most prominent "case" is probably the Retina Macbook Pro where the LG made panel has way worse quality (LG normally makes god-tier panels, it's just that particular model where they screwed up) than the one manufactured by Samsung.
So, I'm almost certain that, even though LG makes their own panels, the Nexus 4 comes with different panels and some might have different characteristics.
Only side-by-side comparisons or teardowns of different batches will tell if there are in fact different screens used in the Nexus.

nic85 said:
if you own both,please wattch that video...are colors in iphone 5 display more vivid?
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The iPhone 5 is a tiny bit more vivid, but if you don't have them side by side it would be difficult to notice the difference. And the screen on my Nexus doesn't look extremely warm like the one in that video. Seems like he got a poorly calibrated unit, or maybe he had the brightness lower on the Nexus and it made it look warmer.

Here's some comparison shots with the iPhone 5.
At max brightness:
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It looks like not every screen has the same color

gtg465x said:
Didn't watch the video, but the color temp is rather balanced. It isn't too warm. I own an iPhone 5 as well and the Nexus display looks just as good.
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Here's some comparison shots with the iPhone 5.
At max brightness:
At medium brightness:
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i think you forgot the images

Has the chrome Browser a brightness setting feature? On my SGS I can set the brightness of the browser independent of the main setting of the OS!

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i think you forgot the images
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Sorry, imageshack was screwing with me. They're up now. To answer this thread, my Nexus 4 actually has a cooler screen than my iPhone 5.

gtg465x said:
Sorry, imageshack was screwing with me. They're up now. To answer this thread, my Nexus 4 actually has a cooler screen than my iPhone 5.
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Wow...my Nexus 4 screen is almost identical to the iPod Touch 5G (the one with the same panel as the iPhone 5) in terms of temp and whites. That looks like a bad screen to me.

my screen is more in line with the pictures posted above....

dbdynsty25 said:
Wow...my Nexus 4 screen is almost identical to the iPod Touch 5G (the one with the same panel as the iPhone 5) in terms of temp and whites. That looks like a bad screen to me.
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The one in the video looks bad, I agree, but mine is fine. If anything, the iPhone 5's screen is slightly too warm, but in real world use (aka, not in pictures), my Nexus 4 and iPhone 5 screens look very similar.

The video doesn't mean anything, as someone stated before camera white balancing will do weird things to the image. The best any only way to accurately compare the two is side by side, in person..which is exactly what I did with my friend's iphone 5 yesterday. There is absolutely zero difference in quality between the two screens. Brightness is fantastic on both, colors look amazing, etc. Go test in person at an apple store or with a friend's iphone 5 and see for yourself.

Contrast (true blacks)

How well do you know your fifty shades of grey? Rate this thread to express how good the LG V20's display contrast is. A higher rating indicates that black is true black, rather than a very dark gray.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Definitely not a Note 7, which sets the standard for true blacks. I'll bet this screen is easier on the battery.

douger1957 said:
Definitely not a Note 7, which sets the standard for true blacks. I'll bet this screen is easier on the battery.
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I'm going to disagree. The Note7 is a standard for "true black" because it is actually true black. An LED/OLED/AMOLED/etc display accomplishes black by simply shutting off an LED pixel, thus creating a 100% TRUE black. (Also, LED being off is using 0 energy).
LCD's on the other hand require backlighting, thus anytime the screen is on, the entire thing is lit. This is why no LCD will ever accomplish a 100% true black. It's also the reason why LCD's tend to be more of a battery hog because all pixels, even black ones, require lighting which requires energy.
To see the difference, put an AMOLED and LCD screen phone beside each other in a dark room and do a google image search for 000000, click one of the results and view it full screen. The AMOLED phone will appear to be off and the LCD phone will still be giving off light.

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I don't know if everybody know this but the note 7 is irrelevant.

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I don't know if everybody know this but the note 7 is irrelevant.
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DING DING DING We have a winner!!!!

Note 4 Note 7 no difference for this discussion same AMOLED panel.
the LGv20 has a nice screen. very nice screen in fact (I now have one) it is not REMOTELY as good as my note 4 screen.
way way way to high a color temp on the panel. its damned near blue. not remotely white. when I use low warming it helps a little but not much. you get used to it but you really really notice in large areas of white.
the blacks are ok but again. horrid if you are used to an oled panel. I hope LG puts an oled panel in the V30 since I know they have the tech (their oled televisions are drop dead sexy alas way way outside of anything remotely in my budget)
what helps is that it has the 1440p panel. this really is the ideal resolution for a 5.5 to 6 inch panel where 1080p is just lacking noticeably. you adjust to the high temperature you don't adjust to low resolution.
sadly so far the camera is crap at night. grrr. was hoping for better. have not really tested in in daytime yet though I expect it will be fine.

nerys71 said:
Note 4 Note 7 no difference for this discussion same AMOLED panel.
the LGv20 has a nice screen. very nice screen in fact (I now have one) it is not REMOTELY as good as my note 4 screen.
way way way to high a color temp on the panel. its damned near blue. not remotely white. when I use low warming it helps a little but not much. you get used to it but you really really notice in large areas of white.
the blacks are ok but again. horrid if you are used to an oled panel. I hope LG puts an oled panel in the V30 since I know they have the tech (their oled televisions are drop dead sexy alas way way outside of anything remotely in my budget)
what helps is that it has the 1440p panel. this really is the ideal resolution for a 5.5 to 6 inch panel where 1080p is just lacking noticeably. you adjust to the high temperature you don't adjust to low resolution.
sadly so far the camera is crap at night. grrr. was hoping for better. have not really tested in in daytime yet though I expect it will be fine.
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So turn down the blue. Nougat lets you.

Hmm.. Coming from a note 7... The 7 still has a better screen.. But increase brightness to 60 and up and it looks really great. Can't complain.

Yeah the blacks cant compare to my note 4 but at least the viewing angle is good enough. Dont notice any colour shift at any reasonable angle.
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Has anyone fiddled with the Color settings under Accessibility menu? I wonder if those would help.....anybody have success?

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Has anyone fiddled with the Color settings under Accessibility menu? I wonder if those would help.....anybody have success?
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There's already a thread all about it

It's not much of a thread tbh. I've just read it.

Amoled vs LCD. Note 4 vs V20. You win some you lose some. Having come from Amoled screens (Nexus 6, Note 4, etc) you get spoiled by blacks. However, the colors on the V20 are fantastic. I am a weekend pro photographer and can tell you I feel the V20 is way more natural than the over saturated colors of an Amoled screen. Also viewing angles on the V20 maintain colors while the Note 4 does not.
But back to black levels. This is good for an LCD screen and turning off the top display improves it a lot. The black level is good but it is a dark grey. But when you watch Netflix etc in the dark it is not bad at all. Not Amoled good but definitely not bad.

OK so having done some more watching with the lights totally off, I can say this is a disaster in terms of black levels. I watched 10 minutes of Lord Of The Rings and pretty much stopped.