My goal in posting this was to get a vibrant dev on it, and ttabbal has taken on the task. Thanks to him. His thread is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=822964 this thread can be closed.
This looks very promising, curious to see how that shakes out on the US variants...
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Isn't that what voodoo does?
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Voodoo requires a special kernel, but what if you wanted stock kernel and ext 4? Thats where this comes in I think.
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This looks like a major step in the right direction. I Can't wait to see support for the Vibrant so we can rid ourselves of rfs. Whew!
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This also looks like it requires a kernel, and EXT4 is the clear choice, so its the same as Voodoo to me.
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Voodoo requires a special kernel, but what if you wanted stock kernel and ext 4? Thats where this comes in I think.
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But you would still have to mod the stock kernel to allow for this? I don't think the stock kernel supports ext4 right?
Either way, this is pretty awesome =)
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This also looks like it requires a kernel, and EXT4 is the clear choice, so its the same as Voodoo to me.
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Agreed.... But I am ok with new ideas. Might find something useful that can be married into voodoo. Too bad I have the larger NAND chip, so I am still w/o voodoo. :/
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Agreed.... But I am ok with new ideas. Might find something useful that can be married into voodoo. Too bad I have the larger NAND chip, so I am still w/o voodoo. :/
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Ehh...hopefully they get the beta5 for Voodoo out soon. It works really well
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Agreed.... But I am ok with new ideas. Might find something useful that can be married into voodoo. Too bad I have the larger NAND chip, so I am still w/o voodoo. :/
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=805222
Thought it might help.
siirial said:
Agreed.... But I am ok with new ideas. Might find something useful that can be married into voodoo. Too bad I have the larger NAND chip, so I am still w/o voodoo. :/
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I would agree, but voodoo doesn't have the /system and /dbdata which would speed up other apps for me. For example touchdown connected to exchange still has a bunch of lag but everything else flys.
I believe if all is converted then the whole phone and all apps and task would be much zippier. I may be wrong though, when I used ryanza ext 2 mod touchdown would load instantly. Voodoo takes at least 5 seconds.
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The thing is, Ziggy is looking at a total RFS replacement vs supercurio's /data rfs replacement. So the entire phone would run much better and more efficiently.
http://z4ziggy.wordpress.com/
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The thing is, Ziggy is looking at a total RFS replacement vs supercurio's /data rfs replacement. So the entire phone would run much better and more efficiently.
http://z4ziggy.wordpress.com/
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Exactly my point. All the file system is converted instead of just /data = better than voodoo IMO.
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Apparently z4ziggy and ryanZA over in the i9000 forum found a way from what it seems to totally convert the data partition to either ext2 3 or 4.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/sho...ns out.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=805222
Thought it might help.
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supercurio hasn't tweeted anything about a release for beta 5. So...I might take whatever master says with a grain of salt. Oh...look at the time of the last edit - 10/13.
I'm considering building a kernel with the init.rc and other changes needed for this mid. Probably look into it next week.
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I'm considering building a kernel with the init.rc and other changes needed for this mid. Probably look into it next week.
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Nice... Looking forward to it!
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I have a large NAND vibrant and have been waiting for voodoo beta 5. Tried this last night with the JI6 kernel. It worked! I'm using ext2 right now. I haven't tried going back to RFS yet. I hope to try that today. If it works and time allows I'm going to try a Jac kernel and ext4.
This is only converting /data right now but the user experience is excellent. I haven't noticed any lag at all and there are no space limitations like with the loop back setup.
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Keep us updated fastkatt, I too have the larger NAND chips and have been dying for a decent lag fix. I know there is a voodoo workaround, but noone can explain exactly what it does. I would prefer something that accounts for the extra space and makes use of it.
Can anyone tell me how to determine the size of the NAND in my Vibrant? I have seached this but have not found the answer....
Thnaks..
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I just installed voodoo and then used oclf, but now my accelerometer is all jacked up, anyone else have this problem or know a way to fix it?
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I just installed voodoo and then used oclf, but now my accelerometer is all jacked up, anyone else have this problem or know a way to fix it?
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Stupid question but why would you put oclf over voodoo
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I saw it on a forum, and after I did it it went from a quadrant score of 1600 to 2300, so it works but the only thing that doesn't work is my accelerometer
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What Rom are you on? The only suggestion I can make is to remove one of the Lagfix. Or flash back stock. I would search the thread or even just Google your problem. Someone may of had the same issue and found a way to fix
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You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're a troll and you didn't really put OCLF on top of voodoo.
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That was a sarcastic way of saying take one of the lagfixes off.
Plus it doesn't help
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I'll show you the thread, I just followed directions.
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Don't put OCLF on top of anything.
If you're interested in something faster than voodoo, check out SetiroN's kernel and/or the ROM's that use it. Such as in my sig.
What's the quadrant score on that?
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Quadrant score has nothing to do with how it performs.
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Don't put OCLF on top of anything.
If you're interested in something faster than voodoo, check out SetiroN's kernel and/or the ROM's that use it. Such as in my sig.
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The last two lagfix options in SetitoN's (or stutzy's) kernel are basically the same thing as oclf over top of voodoo - though the on only thing that would be good for is quadrant scores, won't really notice much of a real world performance dif. And that kind of lagfix combo is really going to cut into your available space on your data partition.
Then what would you recommend performance wise
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Honestly you sound like a noob and SetiroN's kernel requires a certain skill level to install / debug because it is still in alpha stages.
Just stick with Cognition if you want my advice. It is plenty fast, has a great battery life, and automatically works with Voodoo. And it is fairly stable. OCLF on top of it will not help.
In my experience SetiroN's kernel has better performance but takes a cut in the battery life and also has some wierd bugs.. you don't have full functionality in every way... lots of people like it... but if you want my recommendation it's going to be a lot of work for you so go with Cog instead. if you go with setiroN expect to put in a number of hours learning how to get it working.. and expect a few people on that thread (not setiroN) to flame you if you post a question about hwo to get it working. last night there was a lot of drama. larger point is you will probably get criticized there from a few bad apples.
I am a noob, but I can figure stuff out, I'll give it a try. Thanks.
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Then what would you recommend performance wise
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I am currently running Cog rom SetiroN's kernel with jfs advanced all jfs lagfix and I am happy with my phone's performance.
Don't know if this is the best performance or not as that is somewhat subjective as to what will rework best for every one on their own phone with their own configuration.
My recommendation is run what you want to run on your phone. If quad scores are important oclf type lagfix's that make some type of buffer that sets on top the data partition will always outperform in the quad's input/out bench mark and get overall better quad scores, but the buffer wil take up valuable space on your data partition.
The only way you can know for sure what works best for you is to try them out, do some actual time trials and stress tests with the apps you use and pick which one you like best.
What ever lagfix you choose make sure you know how to properly disable it when needed before you actually install that lagfix.
Ok cool, I really like cog ill try putting SetrioN kernel on it, thanks man
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Ok cool, I really like cog ill try putting SetrioN kernel on it, thanks man
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Just my 2 cents but make sure you read up and understand Setroin before you flash it
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Yup just did, I gave cog with SetrioN
Kernel, its working out great so far, thanks a lot.
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How do I get ext4 on my tmobile galaxy tab?
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From what I read koushes clockworkmod recovery converts your system to ext4. But I think its for vzw. I tried with my tmo tab and I could of sworn I stood at rfs. Not sure. But would love to see a voodoo kernal
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I hacked it on my epic 4g and its been great. so am I to believe that there its no ext4 hack and no voice dialer hack with 3g?
mikenicee said:
I hacked it on my epic 4g and its been great. so am I to believe that there its no ext4 hack and no voice dialer hack with 3g?
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How much performance did you gain with ext4 ?
Alcibiade said:
How much performance did you gain with ext4 ?
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According to Quadrant...nothing.
read this if you want to learn about ext4.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4
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I hacked it on my epic 4g and its been great.
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are you sure you hacked it or you used a voodoo kernal?
Ext4 definitely made the phone more snappy along with froyo rom
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Coolsaber57 said:
According to Quadrant...nothing.
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Quadrant scores do not relate to actual phone use though.
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mikenicee said:
Ext4 definitely made the phone more snappy along with froyo rom
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If you were coming fromEclair to Froyo it's not very surprising...
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Quadrant scores do not relate to actual phone use though.
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Oh, I agree, but it's difficult to put show qualitative benefits of ext4 vs. rfs.
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Oh, I agree, but it's difficult to put show qualitative benefits of ext4 vs. rfs.
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Well why did samsung ditch rfs to ext4 for the nexus s?
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b0ricuaguerrero said:
Well why did samsung ditch rfs to ext4 for the nexus s?
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Because it was not Samsung who was coding for the Nexus S! Nexus S has nothing to do with Samsung it is all done by Google! Only the hardware and its warrenty is related to Samsung. All firmwares/ROMs and Kernals will be released by Google and google only! This is why it is call a true google phone!
You can read about it on Theodore Ts'os blog.
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This is why it is call a true google phone!
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shame on samsung for making us use rfs, would be nice to have a voodoo kernal
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Quadrant scores do not relate to actual phone use though.
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Ext4 file system make read/write operations at least twice faster compare to RFS. It allows for file size exceeding 2GB as well. Besides it has journaling capabilty.
All this greatly reduces lags and glitches especially for video and when switching tasks that involves read/write operations.
My experience with ext4 on Vibrant is very positive.
RFS is fat16 or fat32 with a journal.
It is also proprietary to Samsung and no source code for it is released, so it is not very good for AOSP release. And in everyone's experience it performs like ****.
The RFS stack (probably storage.ko) also contains sector remapping/wear levelling module that implements stl on top of bml. So while it is easy to switch to extX on top of stl its gonna be much harder to implement it on top of raw mtd flash for .35 kernel on tab. The flash chip in Nexus S most likely has wear levelling built in. But on Tab it is done on software.
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Quadrant scores do not relate to actual phone use though.
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That is not always true. The problem is that quadrant can be "tricked" into a higher score (EXT2, EXT3). However, ext4 is a true "lag fix" and thus the performance gain is real. There is a "real world" gain after converting to EXT4. The problem as I understand it with the Tabs right now is that we don't know if it is actually working. Give it time and we will see the same progress as we see in the Galaxy S phone.....
So I mistakenly installed the i9000 voodoo lagfix kernal.......problem is.no voice calls on my phone. I'll tell what state my phone is currently in, and where i'd like to be, and any help i can get would be greatly appreciated.
Current State:
Firmware Version 2.2
Baseband Version I897UCKB1
Kernel Version 2.6.32.9
Build number Froyo.UCKB1
Phone build 1006
rooted/shell rooted/market enabled with SuperOneClick
I disabled the voodoo lagfix but still have the I9000 kernel apparently (splash screen and no voice calls)
Where I want to be:
Stock Froyo
Rooted (which I know how to do)
Voodoo Lagfix built on captivate kernel, not I900 (because I like to talk on my phone)
That's all I want. Odin1click seems to not want to work for me anymore, unless I'm apparently doing something wrong in my method of operation.
I cannot seem to find a stock Froyo rom? Maybe I just don't know how to search the forum, because I can't ever seem to find anything very easily.
Please someone help me, this is my only phone, and I had to borrow a laptop for the night, to fix my phone.
well........nevermind, imagine, after a giant pitcher of amberbock and a shot.......
first thing i do when i come home is get the correct kernel with voodoo lagfix installed
wtf. no more I9000! So I think I got to where I wanted all by myself, well i mean I didn't make all the oneclicks but you guys know what I mean!
edit: i did a quadrant, I feel I have the stock kernel installed but not lagfix as my quadrant is only 900 something? doesn't seem right cosidering
i was close to 1800 before on i9000 *sigh* Still would like to find a stock ATT FROYO rom Just in case
Quadrant means nothing. I ran two benchmarks one after each other with the same setup and got 900 and 1500. It only looks big when you compare it.
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Well is there any way to check filesystem to make sure its ext4?
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ConeyKiller said:
Well is there any way to check filesystem to make sure its ext4?
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Just look for the voodoo folder. If it is there then it is installed. As for your scores that seems about right for a stock Tom, the i9000 Tom's will always be faster as they are more updated
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Well its there just dunno if its from before. Also before whem I rebooted into recovery I would go into a 2nd screen that was red that would let me enable or disable lagfix.....doesn't happen now.....dunno if I really care though cuz at least I can talk on my phone now lol....anyone know if supercurio is working on voodoo sound built on captivate 2.2?
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ConeyKiller said:
Well its there just dunno if its from before. Also before whem I rebooted into recovery I would go into a 2nd screen that was red that would let me enable or disable lagfix.....doesn't happen now.....dunno if I really care though cuz at least I can talk on my phone now lol....anyone know if supercurio is working on voodoo sound built on captivate 2.2?
Yeah that was for the universal lag fix. Not voodoo. As long as it is there and no disable lag fix folder then you are good. It would not have carried over as the stock flash wiped it when you flashed the update. Not sure if he is as he doesn't have the device. And they are building kernals on more updated stuff then 2.2. Only time will tell if he does. I am more looking coward to the 2.3 port lol
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Thank you for not like living me off for going nuts the other night lol. From what I can gather, you are a HNIC?
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ConeyKiller said:
Thank you for not like living me off for going nuts the other night lol. From what I can gather, you are a HNIC?
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I am sorry I dont think I understand what you mean.
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Well its there just dunno if its from before. Also before whem I rebooted into recovery I would go into a 2nd screen that was red that would let me enable or disable lagfix.....doesn't happen now.....dunno if I really care though cuz at least I can talk on my phone now lol....anyone know if supercurio is working on voodoo sound built on captivate 2.2?
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when you go into recovery what screen do you come to?
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You made me lie to Betsy, promised her no flashing today!
Looks sick man!
Download right now ready to flash !!
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Looking good! I haven't seen how it looks on the atrix, do the dock icons look a bit cut off at the bottom?
in OP I did not see anything about bug, or lack there of, are there any known?
thanks and I sure this Rom will be awesome. Thanks to all the dev who stick around and put up with so much BS on this forum
And there goes CM7...time to flash baby! Looks awesome!
dcontrol said:
Looking good! I haven't seen how it looks on the atrix, do the dock icons look a bit cut off at the bottom?
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There is zero padding below them - Still rebuilding the Launcher as I want to replace the folder icons.
kboater said:
in OP I did not see anything about bug, or lack there of, are there any known?
thanks and I sure this Rom will be awesome. Thanks to all the dev who stick around and put up with so much BS on this forum
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No known bugs at this time.
Aw Heathen, yer killin us. "Etc"., huh? As of yesterday I entered into a long term relationship with Darky's. Please say this one is another great option, not that it's whiz-bang hands down more awesome...
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Looks amazing, nicely done
Wow I'm tempted to leave cm7 for this
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Sorry, you are limited to five thanks per day
if team EDT doesnt stop making these awesome ROMS to flash someone will have to come up with a ROM switcher app instead of the homeswitcher so you can switch between roms with ease.
oh men..when i finally got everything set up the way I wanted my phone to look.. oh well..trying it out... thank you much.
Just really settlled in to Bionix V 1..3.1. Would like to flash this but have one question: I see that voodoo is disabled, does that mean I would have to disable voodoo I have now to flash this rom? Also I would imagine I would have to enable voodoo once it is flashed. Any and all info on this is appreciated.
tenbeau said:
Just really settlled in to Bionix V 1..3.1. Would like to flash this but have one question: I see that voodoo is disabled, does that mean I would have to disable voodoo I have now to flash this rom? Also I would imagine I would have to enable voodoo once it is flashed. Any and all info on this is appreciated.
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No you would not need to diasable your voodoo. As long as its voodoo to voodoo no disabling/enabling required. You will however neednto enable it (if you so wish) after flashing.
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bbm21 said:
Wow I'm tempted to leave cm7 for this
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Same here man.
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40 hours.
Battery Life is Unbelievable
irockstar661 said:
No you would not need to diasable your voodoo. As long as its voodoo to voodoo no disabling/enabling required. You will however neednto enable it (if you so wish) after flashing.
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Thanks for the swift and kind reply!!!! Going to flash it now.
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Same here man.
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Not hating at all as I love team edt and the work they do, but what advantages would.someone have from leaving cm7 other then GPS/battery life?
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irockstar661 said:
Not hating at all as I love team edt and the work they do, but what advantages would.someone have from leaving cm7 other then GPS/battery life?
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Battery life and apps for me. There are some apps that are not compatible with gb yet that I want.
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First things first, we use agpsd(/system/bin/) & not gpsd(/system/vendor/bin/)
so for anyone compiling a kernel will need to modify their init.rc:
Code:
#service gpsd /system/vendor/bin/launch_gps.sh
# socket gps seqpacket 0660 gps system
# user gps
# group system inet
# +STE GPS Daemon
#GPS_CHIPSET_STE_CG2900
service agpsd /system/bin/agpsd
user system
group system inet
oneshot
Everyone please thank cmenard for being amazing & quick to provide us with a magnificent JVP kernel with GPS support .
These files should work on any Gingerbread, but I've packaged this with a JVP kernel so be warned. I'm going to try and see if I can get it working with just init.d support or something later.
Alright guys, I couldn't get it to lock again, but we're close. It is running in the background but it's not quite locking. Something is off. I will dig into it more later tonight but I gotta run. If anyone smarter than me can figure it out, I'm posting what I have. I believe it's a permission issue somewhere.
http://www.multiupload.com/S4QY6MN2BB
REMEMBER, the kernel is for JVP ONLY. It's included in the flashable zip
The issue
If you turn your phone on with GPS enabled, it will find a lock great! However, if you turn GPS off & back on GPS never starts back up.
you are amazing!!!
its a good start
those useless fools at samsung should be fired
AngryDinosaur said:
you are amazing!!!
its a good start
those useless fools at samsung should be fired
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Lol why? They gave us the files
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AngryDinosaur said:
you are amazing!!!
its a good start
those useless fools at samsung should be fired
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Samsung is the one wrote the drivers for the Galaxy S 4G's gps. We're just lucky that it seems to work on Vibrant too.
People are a little annoyed that it took so long. Not to mention that we get a leak for sgs4g, and not the vibrant. But hey this means I get to get back to flashing like mad again..... I hope.... lol
Finally going to try a GB rom soon on my phone..... woooohooooo lol
awesome!! looking forward to see progress on this!! i hate my gps!!
Got it to lock almost instantly by turning off xtra in angry GPS... more testing to be done
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Birger, will you marry me?
Wait so this could potentially work with CM7?
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Sweet, froyo is soon to be a thing of the past.
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What about gingerbread battery drain? Not taking anything away from the gps fix...
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What about gingerbread battery drain? Not taking anything away from the gps fix...
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You're a champ. Always looking out for other users
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What about gingerbread battery drain? Not taking anything away from the gps fix...
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With the JVP build that Birgertime made for us, I haven't had ANY battery drain. Hell, GB actually uses less battery for me then Froyo, it's kinda shocking lol.
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What about gingerbread battery drain? Not taking anything away from the gps fix...
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Battery drain is a NON-ISSUE on 2.3.4/JVP.
I can't wait for a GB that's tweaked by EDT plus not needing to flash a bootloader. A leak for the vibrant would make a lot of difference.
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I can't wait for a GB that's tweaked by EDT plus not needing to flash a bootloader. A leak for the vibrant would make a lot of difference.
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The leak is for the galaxy s 4g. Somrone correct me if im wrong.
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iynfynity said:
I can't wait for a GB that's tweaked by EDT plus not needing to flash a bootloader. A leak for the vibrant would make a lot of difference.
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Honestly? Flashing the bootloader was relatively painless. Getting recovery working after that was painful, but I think that's something I did wrong with the kernel (still not sure what)... But as long as your computer doesn't decide to go blue-screenie mid flash, I don't see how you can mess up the bootloader process.
I switched to JVP yesterday myself and the battery has been great. It's almost time to welcome our Gingerbread overlords. Now, the question is - Does this leak bode well for WiFi Calling on GB?
delete the angrygps.apk!!!! 8 locks instantly after doing so. Birger better get a million thanks since ALL of you are gonna use this.
edit - dont.delete. rename .bak and then undo.
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What about gingerbread battery drain? Not taking anything away from the gps fix...
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yeah lol i think 2.3 battery life is better than 2.2 ive been on 2.3 for a few months now lol since cm7 nightly 1
Whitehawkx said:
delete the angrygps.apk!!!! 8 locks instantly after doing so. Birger better get a million thanks since ALL of you are gonna use this.
edit - dont.delete. rename .bak and then undo.
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Thanked each and every one of his posts so far on this thread ... If thanks were vodka... then we'd be in business.