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I'm a current iPhone 3G owner and I'm due for an upgrade. I was at the AT&T store last week buying my girlfriend an iPhone4(ironic, right?) and saw the Captivate. I picked up the phone and fell in love, I love the screen, love the interface, loved everything about it. My immediate reaction was, I need to have this phone, this is going to be my upgrade. I start reading around websites and forums and all I've been reading is negative things about the Captivate.
My question is, is the Captivate an upgrade over the 3G and is there really that many issues with it? I'm growing tired of the same ole, bland ole iPhone and love the customazation available with the Cap.
Thank you.
Of cause it is an upgrade to your 2 year old iPhone 3G. This is the world of tech.
And yes, there is a lot of issues too. Because there is no perfect thing in this world.
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I came from an iphone 3G, and it is definitely an upgrade from the iphone, yet a learning curve because the 2 OS' are completely different! But so worth the switch!!
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If youre techie prone the galaxy is for you.
From rooting, to lag fix, sideloading, tethering, etc... you'll love this phone
I know i do
skizzz said:
If youre techie prone the galaxy is for you.
From rooting, to lag fix, sideloading, tethering, etc... you'll love this phone
I know i do
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I don't think I'll have any problems with anything tech wise, reading around seeing all the issues is what really has detered me from this phone. I think I'm going to make the switch..
You won't regret it. There are fixes for most things, the only issue I have thats still nagging is the GPS problem.
Scalzone said:
My question is, is the Captivate an upgrade over the 3G and is there really that many issues with it? I'm growing tired of the same ole, bland ole iPhone and love the customazation available with the Cap.
Thank you.
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Well, yes, of course the Captivate is an upgrade over the iPhone 3G; the screen alone (nonetheless the rest of its specs) should make that obvious.
Lastly, the only problems I really know with the Captivate is some having GPS issues, and the phone experiencing lag. Otherwise, everything is pretty much an acquired taste due to the switch from iOS to Android. If the Captivate will be your first Android phone, then I can pretty much assure you that that part --switching OSes -- will be the hardest.
I came from a 3GS and felt like it was an upgrade in every possible way, except the Marketplace. It's not quite there yet, but catching up fast.
There are a lot of problems with the phone, but I will tell you this. You will probably have to go through a handset or two (maybe more in some cases) before you find one that works as you expect. Don't be shy about exchanging the handset till you strike gold and don't see anything outside of the GPS issue, which is an admitted software fix from Samsung.
Outside of that, you will be overwhelmed at first. Learning a new OS is always a bit daunting, but when it's an open source OS it's even more so. You have to get yourself into the mindset of how to do things, as opposed to if you can do them. Tons of customization and software choices. The phone really lets you flex your personalization muscles. If you don't like the browser, download a different one. If you don't like the music player, there are 10 more to take it's place.
I found one on Craig's List and my girlfriend desperately needs a new phone. I plan on sticking to stock OS and not rooting or customizing it because it's for her and I don't want to risk bricking her.
I just want to know, how reliable is this phone?
Personally, this is my last Samsung phone. So... I wouldn't recommend it.
Essenar said:
I found one on Craig's List and my girlfriend desperately needs a new phone. I plan on sticking to stock OS and not rooting or customizing it because it's for her and I don't want to risk bricking her.
I just want to know, how reliable is this phone?
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I got a Captivate for my gf and she loves it, but the stock OS pissed her off due to lagging and bloatware.
We installed Cognition 2.3b8 which was very easy and now she really loves it as her daily driver. All you do is put an update.zip for Clockwork on the root of SD. Reboot into oem recovery, reinstall packages twice to get to Clockwork, then wipe data and flash Cognition. Couldn't be easier.
Honestly, if you can find a Nexus One for AT&T (if you have AT&T the T-mobile version will be Edge only!! You need an AT&T Nexus One) I think that's your best bet, but with a little bit of modding and care the Captivate is a great phone. My gf LOVES the giant screen and beautiful display.
That said, the more I learn about it the more pissed off I am with Samsung. Different revisions, ODIN, Kies, Download Mode, etc. Rooting this thing is way more complicated than it needs to be. I'm running a MT4G and SOOOO glad I didn't buy the Vibrant. Shudder...
The only problem I've ever had with my cappy is the GPS, which, after reading the GPS fixes thread has been absolutely perfect.
To me this is the perfect phone. Fast, reliable, pretty. I don't even want anything faster anymore. If phones peaked in speed right now and started focusing strictly on battery life (I get about 1.5-2 days right now, I'd like to get 3-5), I'd be perfectly happy with that.
Craig's List? Buyer beware!
Here is where I am at:
This phone is probably not the best choice if you are planning on giving it to your wife without a custom ROM. If you plan on giving it to you wife with a ROM it is a good choice regardless of what ROM you choose however it is better if you use one that is as close to stock as possible: cognition, perception, or Andromeda (1.00).
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I've got several great phones off CL. Do your due diligence as a buyer and you'll be just fine.
If you can get it for a decent price, then go for it.
Here's a simple pro & con list:
Pros
-Super AMOLED screen makes pictures and videos gorgeous
-1 GHz Processor that can be overclocked to 1.28GHz (stable) and undervolted to improve battery performance
-The xda devs are constantly providing the Captivate support that Samsung has failed to give us.
-Did i mention the Super AMOLED screen? Yes, yes I did.
-Swype makes texting a lot more fun to type on the phone once you get past the 1-minute learning curve
Cons
-Developed by Samsung and so the customer support for the phone is terrible
(see: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913045)
-The stock AT&T Rom is filled with bloatware that takes up space and attempts to get you to spend more money on AT&T services.
-AT&T has disabled the ability to sideload apps (install apps from outside of the market) on the stock ROM, and so you won't be able to install third-party apps if/when you come across them.
-No official 2.2 froyo release from Samsung, despite promises from them as well as AT&T to have it released by the end of 2010 (this is when the store rep told me to expect the update when i bought my phone. derp).
-Some GPS Issues
Conclusion based on my personal opinion.
Overall, I love this phone and I'm glad I chose it over the iPhone 4 due to the ridiculous customization available. However, if not for the xda devs creating amazing custom ROMs, I would have probably returned it for the original Jesus phone.
My advice? Get the phone, pick out a launcher from the market (LauncherPro, ADW Launcher, or for the minimalist: Zeam) and grab handcent while you're at it. Then give her the phone and she should be happy with it.
More advice? Sure. Root the phone, flash Cog 3.02 onto it with the firebird 2/Glitterball kernel and JK4 modem.
Sorry if this post seems a bit jumbled and scattered. I'm currently doing about 4 different things at once and posting from my Computer Class at the local community college haha
Dont' buy it. GPS problems, shutdown issues, and, based on the general lack of reliability so far, probably more issues to come as the phone ages. If it weren't for the beautiful display and the custom ROMs here on xda I'd have little good to say about my phone. Since you don't plan on modifications the screen is really all you'd get. Does that screen outweigh the hardware problems I've noted?
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Rooting this thing is way more complicated than it needs to be.
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SuperOneClick -- The program is called "SuperOneClick". That is literally all it takes to gain root on a SGS phone. So, personally, I think rooting is not nearly as complicated as it could be!
yourname146 said:
SuperOneClick -- The program is called "SuperOneClick". That is literally all it takes to gain root on a SGS phone. So, personally, I think rooting is not nearly as complicated as it could be!
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Let me rephrase that. Custom ROMs are more complicated than they need to be. I've used SOC on my MT3G, works well. It's ODIN, Kies and manually flashing modems and kernels that annoys me. I've flashed radios and roms on my mt3g and I'm comfortable with fastboot and adb so I'm not a total noob. HTC just seems simpler to me, but maybe that's because I'm used to it.
The only beef I have had with this phone is the GPS issue. otherwise it's a great phone. Beautiful screen, sleek design and fast with a good ROM such as Cognition.
I've decided I'm either going to get her a Nokia N900 or an iPhone (some variation). I can't put a phone in her hands with such a gamble on the GPS (There's no guarantee the fix works and no way to identify which Captivates will work and won't work). Especially since this phone is purchased used and won't have a warranty on it.
I wish her sister would make up her mind about AT&T. If she decided to stay with AT&T I could just buy her something new. If she decided to leave AT&T, I could buy her a new Android device with another carrier.
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I've decided I'm either going to get her a Nokia N900 or an iPhone (some variation). I can't put a phone in her hands with such a gamble on the GPS (There's no guarantee the fix works and no way to identify which Captivates will work and won't work). Especially since this phone is purchased used and won't have a warranty on it.
I wish her sister would make up her mind about AT&T. If she decided to stay with AT&T I could just buy her something new. If she decided to leave AT&T, I could buy her a new Android device with another carrier.
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I can tell you from experience, **** AT&T! T-mobile has buy one get one free for MT4G right now, I have no clue why on earth you would want to stay with AT&T.
Seriously, I have been with T-mobile for 5 years and I'm in love with their service. Every time I call I get an AMERICAN rep on the phone in 5 mins tops.
pizz0wn3d said:
If you can get it for a decent price, then go for it.
Here's a simple pro & con list:
Pros
-Super AMOLED screen makes pictures and videos gorgeous
-1 GHz Processor that can be overclocked to 1.28GHz (stable) and undervolted to improve battery performance
-The xda devs are constantly providing the Captivate support that Samsung has failed to give us.
-Did i mention the Super AMOLED screen? Yes, yes I did.
-Swype makes texting a lot more fun to type on the phone once you get past the 1-minute learning curve
Cons
-Developed by Samsung and so the customer support for the phone is terrible
(see: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913045)
-The stock AT&T Rom is filled with bloatware that takes up space and attempts to get you to spend more money on AT&T services.
-AT&T has disabled the ability to sideload apps (install apps from outside of the market) on the stock ROM, and so you won't be able to install third-party apps if/when you come across them.
-No official 2.2 froyo release from Samsung, despite promises from them as well as AT&T to have it released by the end of 2010 (this is when the store rep told me to expect the update when i bought my phone. derp).
-Some GPS Issues
Conclusion based on my personal opinion.
Overall, I love this phone and I'm glad I chose it over the iPhone 4 due to the ridiculous customization available. However, if not for the xda devs creating amazing custom ROMs, I would have probably returned it for the original Jesus phone.
My advice? Get the phone, pick out a launcher from the market (LauncherPro, ADW Launcher, or for the minimalist: Zeam) and grab handcent while you're at it. Then give her the phone and she should be happy with it.
More advice? Sure. Root the phone, flash Cog 3.02 onto it with the firebird 2/Glitterball kernel and JK4 modem.
Sorry if this post seems a bit jumbled and scattered. I'm currently doing about 4 different things at once and posting from my Computer Class at the local community college haha
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This is a very fair and accurate assessment.
Absolutely get this phone if you're comfortable rooting the phone and installing custom ROMs, launchers, etc. The phone will run markedly better than stock and will be a dream to use.
If you're not technically inclined, and need rely on $am$ung and AT$T for your firmware updates, get a different android phone. Updates are either never coming or will be over half a year behind and quite possibly bugged and broken even if you do get them.
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This is a very fair and accurate assessment.
Absolutely get this phone if you're comfortable rooting the phone and installing custom ROMs, launchers, etc. The phone will run markedly better than stock and will be a dream to use.
If you're not technically inclined, and need rely on $am$ung and AT$T for your firmware updates, get a different android phone. Updates are either never coming or will be over half a year behind and quite possibly bugged and broken even if you do get them.
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Thanks
I feel like I should mention that I'm now using Exists Suckerpunch kernel and it's... Well... Amazing. OC/UV support with speedmod's battery battery tweaks is pretty much the best thing ever. And exists (pretty cool guy, eh made my favorite kernel ever and doesn't afraid of anything) updates so often I barely have time to find and complain about any bugs that happen to slip past.
This phone is quite captivating indeed.
Herp derp Captivate XDA App
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I've got several great phones off CL. Do your due diligence as a buyer and you'll be just fine.
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Me too. That said out of the box the Captivate is a very frustrating phone to use. The GPS is spotty and You won't have full access to it's super fast Gee Bees unless you install a custom ROM.
I ended up getting her an iPhone. I know guys, I know.
To be honest, I didn't feel comfortable giving her a phone with spotty GPS as this will be her primary GPS unit.
Reading the custom rod and GPS thread gave me no assurance that doing the fix and rooting with a custom rom would fix the issue.
I have enough problems dealing with my MyTouch 4g that you may see me on a Bionic or iPhone with Verizon anyway.
But thanks for the advice. I may root and mod her sisters Captivate to score points because I heard she has had for warranty replacements lol.
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gunnyman said:
Me too. That said out of the box the Captivate is a very frustrating phone to use. The GPS is spotty and You won't have full access to it's super fast Gee Bees unless you install a custom ROM.
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Totally agree.
Essenar said:
I ended up getting her an iPhone. I know guys, I know.
To be honest, I didn't feel comfortable giving her a phone with spotty GPS as this will be her primary GPS unit.
Reading the custom rod and GPS thread gave me no assurance that doing the fix and rooting with a custom rom would fix the issue.
I have enough problems dealing with my MyTouch 4g that you may see me on a Bionic or iPhone with Verizon anyway.
But thanks for the advice. I may root and mod her sisters Captivate to score points because I heard she has had for warranty replacements lol.
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I've been keeping my eyes open for an iPhone4 for my gf as well for the same reasons you mentioned. There's also an AT&T iteration of the Evo coming soon. That might be a good device for her.
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I got a Captivate for my gf and she loves it, but the stock OS pissed her off due to lagging and bloatware.
We installed Cognition 2.3b8 which was very easy and now she really loves it as her daily driver. All you do is put an update.zip for Clockwork on the root of SD. Reboot into oem recovery, reinstall packages twice to get to Clockwork, then wipe data and flash Cognition. Couldn't be easier.
Honestly, if you can find a Nexus One for AT&T (if you have AT&T the T-mobile version will be Edge only!! You need an AT&T Nexus One) I think that's your best bet, but with a little bit of modding and care the Captivate is a great phone. My gf LOVES the giant screen and beautiful display.
That said, the more I learn about it the more pissed off I am with Samsung. Different revisions, ODIN, Kies, Download Mode, etc. Rooting this thing is way more complicated than it needs to be. I'm running a MT4G and SOOOO glad I didn't buy the Vibrant. Shudder...
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Really??? Rooting this is as easy as switching off your phone and rebooting. With all the easy stuff available right here in this forum and tons on the net... it is a breeze to root and flash a custom ROM.
For a long while now an on many different roms I have noticed my phone rebooting at what appears to be random atleast twice a week.
It's never been when in a call and I often only notice it because I see the boot animation on my phone out of the corner of my eye while it was doing nothing but being sat on my desk! Also I know when it has done it because it has switched back to my default network which I am not normally on.
For me I have had it on everything from CM7 to Juwes to docs rom to stock. If this is not normal behaviour I fear that my phone may have a hardware fault
Post your random reboot experiences here!
My experience: rarely with Darky 10.1, I got one today with Juwe 5.1 but I installed this rom two days ago and still making some experiment.
Bye.
always close to stock cfroot only + own changes = never had issues ...
Both my husband and I get them at least twice a week also, we are on stock JVH that we got from O2 through Kies, not rooted or anything. we are thinking of phoning samsung tomorrow, we never had any of these on 2.2, so I think it must be software with us both getting them since 2.3. both our phones are still in guarantee, although if it is software I dont know what they can do
TBH I haven't actually been on a pure stock rom for quite some time. From what I remember I would get the occasional random reboot but probably not quite as often as I have done since turning to custom roms.
Could some fundamental change that many custom roms make cause this?
Or could perhaps a certain rogue app which I have had installed on many different roms be causing this?
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Both my husband and I get them at least twice a week also, we are on stock JVH that we got from O2 through Kies, not rooted or anything. we are thinking of phoning samsung tomorrow, we never had any of these on 2.2, so I think it must be software with us both getting them since 2.3. both our phones are still in guarantee, although if it is software I dont know what they can do
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Yes this is partly why I decided to create this thread and try to get to the bottom of it. My warranty runs out in 2/3 months and the paranoid side of me fears a hardware issue. I also started on 2.2 and don't think I got quite as many, if any, random reboots then which seems to coincide with your experiences.
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Yes this is partly why I decided to create this thread and try to get to the bottom of it. My warranty runs out in 2/3 months and the paranoid side of me fears a hardware issue. I also started on 2.2 and don't think I got quite as many, if any, random reboots then which seems to coincide with your experiences.
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Yeah our guarantee runs out in about 6 or 7 weeks which is why I thought of phoning them, my phone has been back once because the motherboard or whatever its called had to be replaced. do you think it could be hardware?
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Yeah our guarantee runs out in about 6 or 7 weeks which is why I thought of phoning them, my phone has been back once because the motherboard or whatever its called had to be replaced. do you think it could be hardware?
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I have no idea. I'm starting to think probably not. so far 75% of people to this poll have reboots either daily or weekly. I think it could be a software bug in all gingerbread based roms but i really don't no. Would be interesting to flash back to stock froyo and see if it persists then.
Keep an eye on this thread and hopefully we can get to the bottom of this
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Both my husband and I get them at least twice a week also, we are on stock JVH that we got from O2 through Kies, not rooted or anything. we are thinking of phoning samsung tomorrow, we never had any of these on 2.2, so I think it must be software with us both getting them since 2.3. both our phones are still in guarantee, although if it is software I dont know what they can do
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Ideal time to flash a custom rom with root. Follow the white rabbit.........
blockbuster 2.4
Are those who never get any random reboots mostly on stock roms? if so which roms?
mhm...............
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so far 75% of people to this poll have reboots either daily or weekly. I think it could be a software bug in all gingerbread based roms but i really don't no
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question/thread title is "Does your phone suffer from random reboots?" so majorityof people that does not have any reboots/problems will not join to read so they will not vote
also by the thread title in some way youre determining the anserw yet still youve got 15 people voted (thats not authoritative + 350 thread openings...) & 33% of them said NEVER
I used to get random reboots on stock firmware, because samsung can't write software! Since running cm7 based software (insanity cm) I haven't had one single reboot, the stability is mindblowing and it is super stable, however it is not really for flashing novices, just my humble opinion
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I'm with 2.3.4 JVP, and usually after an uptime of around 333 hours the phone reboots itself, happened twice...
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question/thread title is "Does your phone suffer from random reboots?" so majorityof people that does not have any reboots/problems will not join to read so they will not vote
also by the thread title in some way youre determining the anserw yet still youve got 15 people voted (thats not authoritative + 350 thread openings...) & 33% of them said NEVER
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Yes I do admit I haven't received the amount of feedback I was hoping for in this thread. And yes I am fully aware that polling on here is far from an accurate way of gathering data exactly for the reason you suggested but still I hoped to learn something about the extent of this phenomenon.
Also when I wrote that quote that you critisied for being inaccurate it was correct at the time. If not a little premature
However please feel free to share your experiences (or lack of) the topic in question.
I voted 'very rarely' - usually when running a buggy app that uses all RAM and CPU.
No reboots by itself so far.
to much, using dark core 2.6 , pilotx rom
Wow I thought I am the only who suffer with this..LOL...My phone is running JVO 2.3.3 and I updated it via Kies...no root no lagfix, quite a virgin Galaxy S..hahaah...
Very rarely, and it was only after this one time I had to swap batteries and didn't allow the phone to fully shutdown which must've caused some corruption. Even though I restored a backup certain things just seemed off and turned out I did had problems with reboots and so after that, most likely being the cause.
Besides that, after putting in a fresh ROM and whatnot, never had issues, not before the incident save once maybe.
I have changed to juwe 5.1 today from his 5.0. Was playing angry birds and left phone down for minute, then soon as screen locked it rebooted itself. Have not tried with other apps yet. Will post back when tried them out
Hello all, I know this will sound like a rant against the phone but in reality I just want to know if others share my opinion or if I'm alone on this one thus making the "problem" me.
I recently bought an HTC sensation 4g and I have a problem called companies customizations!
My problem with sense is that it has tons of apps that I don't need: ereader, stock; or other that I need but are bloated: weather.
It's probably a seller to see big cloud on such a great screen, but on the long run I wished it opened up immediately with the hourly forecast and less fullscreen animation to drain battery.
I heard a lot of my friends that didn't like android (mostly hated samsung or htc) and I never understood why. My nexus one with stock android wasn't the prettiest phone to look at (compared to iphone) but with some customization it was quick, usable and provided more functions than pretty graphics. But now I know! With loads of extra useless apps and their contents or awkward design choices (like the not very friendly coverflow looking thing to choose backgrounds and such). Yesterday I heard from my friend that his girlfriend galaxy s came with avatar and they had a long struggle trying to remove it from the phone sd card because they didn't care about it. When I checked the phone the avatar icon was still there since they're not very tech-savvy.
Don't get me wrong I don't hate my phone, the hardware is great, the screen is better than I expected, I love android, but that extra stuff that I really don't need should have an easy way to come off, it should not be installed in a way that I can't remove it without rooting. No wonder why people hate android... it's because they mistake android for the extra load it comes with it that slows down the phone, uses their monthly data and drains their battery. Apple doesn't do that and there's a reason "normal" people tend to pick up an iphone so quickly.
I wish there was an official way to ask companies to make all this stuff optional! Please don't think that I have it with HTC or sense, I'm referencing sense because that's what I experienced this problem with. Let me know what you think maybe if others have this issue with companies, we could organize a petition or something?
That's not android its more of a service provider and hardware supplier way of getting a cut from development companies .my Samsung had a heap of unwanted bloatware and service provider crappy useless battery consuming memory hogging apps the best thing i ever did was root this phone no more random reboots battery improved by 50% and everything on the phone is what i want on it not something that the companies think or want you to have on it .So with all that said if you have patients and can do some searching on the xda forums you will find a solution to what you want to achieve on your device .Believe me if you like it now you will love it when you get it the way you want it.
Hope that help .
I moved from iphone 4 to the SGS2.
One thing i know whatever i do to this phone it can be fully restored back to stock and the warranty will still be there providing i don't brick the phone
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Mustoura said:
That's not android its more of a service provider and hardware supplier way of getting a cut from development companies.
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He said that himself
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I love android, but that extra stuff that I really don't need should have an easy way to come off, it should not be installed in a way that I can't remove it without rooting. No wonder why people hate android... it's because they mistake android for the extra load it comes with it that slows down the phone, uses their monthly data and drains their battery.
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I could not agree more with the OP. I used Nexus 1 builds on my HD2 for about 8 months and loved it. I've now got a Samsung Galaxy S2 (I just wanted a newer, faster phone, but with the same size screen), and despite being a great phone I found myself longing for that AOSP experience. I tried a couple of AOSP ROMs in the SGS2 forum and breathed a sigh of relief at how much difference they made, but they unfortunatly aren't currently stable enough to use day-in-day-out. So I've recently gone down a different route - MIUI. I've literally only done it today, and so far I'm loving it.
Anyway, I digress. There should be some manufacturers out there that recognise this gap in the market and sell basic Android phones, with no other crap on them. I know Google do that (obviously), but I wish more did the same. People shouldn't have to know how to flash a ROM or root and freeze apps, just to get the best possible basic Android experience available.
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Point taken and yes i agree.
I missed that bit as I'm half asleep
Wow i just had a read over again i apologies that i missed that whole section lol sorry for telling you how to suck eggs
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Point taken and yes i agree.
I missed that bit as I'm half asleep
Wow i just had a read over again i apologies that i missed that whole section lol sorry for telling you how to suck eggs
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Heh. I have a sneaking suspicion that you're not the 1st person to comment on a post after not reading it correctly. I reckon in the history of the internet it's happened at least 3 times
Id like to see a major manufacturer do a little experiment on there next big handset.
Supply two different versions, one with there overlay and one aosp fresh from the oven, see which one sells.
I know they are only trying to add functionality to the device but they could at least write there apps properly so they dont cause wakelocks and hog resources, hell there's a whole forum full of very competent developers im sure would be happy to help
@johncmolyneux
off topic but have you tried the latest Cm7 for the SGS2? the latest nightly is pretty complete, the devs have done a stand up job. Keep it aosp baby
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off topic but have you tried the latest Cm7 for the SGS2? the latest nightly is pretty complete, the devs have done a stand up job. Keep it aosp baby
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I've not, but I've shied away from non-standard ROMs normally. After the very favourable MIUI experience I may well give CM7 a play. I did have a sort of CM ROM on my HD2 for a while, but it looked and played pretty much like AOSP, but was blue instead of green.
Thanks for the advice
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I've not, but I've shied away from non-standard ROMs normally. After the very favourable MIUI experience I may well give CM7 a play. I did have a sort of CM ROM on my HD2 for a while, but it looked and played pretty much like AOSP, but was blue instead of green.
Thanks for the advice
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I was the same meself tried a few out and stuck with Villain, been testing CM out occasionally to see how development is going and very impressed! if i'm not mistaken Miui is based on CM so if thats working for you its party time
the main thread with the download link is in the Q&A thread in Q&A, just so you know
Was rocking Hyperdroid Cm7 on my HD2 too so i know the feeling
I think I just officially hijacked this thread! sorry OP
That's why I have a g2x, pretty much vanilla android. But then again, just take all that crap off yourself or flash a custom rom.
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What would really be the difference in the phones if they were all AOSP? Sure they've got different hardware specs, but if all had the same hardware, it'd be nearly impossible to know the difference.
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What would really be the difference in the phones if they were all AOSP? Sure they've got different hardware specs, but if all had the same hardware, it'd be nearly impossible to know the difference.
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Actually, that is a very valid point. People would end up buying phones purely on colour and shape, if the hardware was close enough and they were all AOSP. I do like mynamesteve's suggestion of manufacturing 2 devices - 1 with their own software and 1 with basic Android, but I can't see anyone really doing that unfortunately. I guess there isn't really a practical solution to this. Not that I can think of, anyway.
Incidentally, I like your avatar. Homage to The King. He may be dead, but his burgers most certainly are not!
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What would really be the difference in the phones if they were all AOSP? Sure they've got different hardware specs, but if all had the same hardware, it'd be nearly impossible to know the difference.
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Not sure you get it Sir!
aosp = stock android = no bloatware
Standard and fast for you to add what YOU want, not have crappy coded apps forced on you that are difficult to remove.
Simples
I agree...
But I think this Operating System Fragmentation is a USA problem. Sure it happens elsewhere. The problem is the carriers use the bloatware and other specialty apps as a revenue stream. So far, Apple is changing that game and Google is doing what it can but with so many handsets and the open nature of Android it's really hard to control. I won't say anything about the closed ecosystem Apple has built vs the Android Market since both have redeeming qualities as well as flaws.
I have 3 phones on my account, all android. All were rooted on first day out of the box and had all that bloatware removed, including Inception which took up too much space on the memory card.
I wish the USA would take the approach found almost everywhere else. You pick your phone, then you pick your carrier. There's lots of great stuff going on elsewhere in the world like NFC, handsets that aren't gimped by the carrier... etc.
Just IMHO.
Cheers
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Actually, that is a very valid point. People would end up buying phones purely on colour and shape, if the hardware was close enough and they were all AOSP. I do like mynamesteve's suggestion of manufacturing 2 devices - 1 with their own software and 1 with basic Android, but I can't see anyone really doing that unfortunately. I guess there isn't really a practical solution to this. Not that I can think of, anyway.
Incidentally, I like your avatar. Homage to The King. He may be dead, but his burgers most certainly are not!
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But really deep down arn't they all just android?
I will admit the overlays draw customers, I was drawn in by sense bk in the winMO days (RIP) but other than some fancy widgets its really not much better than stock.
I understand they get paid for most of the note/ereader/Doc Dre beats headphone rubbish that gets shipped so things will most likely not change
but thank you for treasures like this website.
I know tings i.e. rooting can be daunting for the beginner but if ya follow the guides and read, ya never know you might even learn something (John this wasn't directed at you at all just peeps in general i know your a kick ass developer, i read it bk n thought wtf lol)
TLDR:read it
mynamesteve said:
But really deep down arn't they all just android?
I will admit the overlays draw customers, I was drawn in by sense bk in the winMO days (RIP) but other than some fancy widgets its really not much better than stock.
I understand they get paid for most of the note/ereader/Doc Dre beats headphone rubbish that gets shipped so things will most likely not change
but thank you for treasures like this website.
I know tings i.e. rooting can be daunting for the beginner but if ya follow the guides and read, ya never know you might even learn something (John this wasn't directed at you at all just peeps in general i know your a kick ass developer, i read it bk n thought wtf lol)
TLDR:read it
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To a certain degree, yes, but the SGS2 doesn't even have the stock Android launcher available, never mind the cluster of Samsung apps that everyone seems to be freezing straight out of the box. Samsung have pretty much made it their own device, which is obviously fine, and it's still a very stock-looking experience, but just freezing apps doesn't make it AOSP unfortunately.
I think (italics because I'm not sure) that a lot of people would learn more about their device if it was a bog-standard stock Android experience from day 1. They'd try different apps and launchers etc.. I've got a friend with a Desire HD and he's never even opened the Market app. He's 0% techie, so fair enough he's not gonna undervolt and overclock the thing, but he didn't even realise he had a satnav device! I don't want to turn this into a xxx manufacturer against yyy manufacturer, but certain other devices on the market are popular because of what they can do. I think Android is being sold short by not making it obvious how far it can go. That, I believe, is partly down to having a device loaded with apps that obscure the possibilities.
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BTW, thanks for the compliment, but I'm simply a developer. This place has far more kick ass developers than me!
I have to say, if it wasn't for HTC I wouldn't have an android phone.
Tried a Nexus ROM on my HD2, really hated it. Tried the SGS2, really couldn't get on with it (nice screen though).
I can understand and respect that many people do like aosp, and I'm glad that we have the options available to us.
My stock sensation is fast and sense 3 is lovely and polished.
I really wish carriers (apparently mostly in the US) didn't take a fast phone and turn it into something reportedly sluggish though.
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To a certain degree, yes, but the SGS2 doesn't even have the stock Android launcher available, never mind the cluster of Samsung apps that everyone seems to be freezing straight out of the box. Samsung have pretty much made it their own device, which is obviously fine, and it's still a very stock-looking experience, but just freezing apps doesn't make it AOSP unfortunately.
I think (italics because I'm not sure) that a lot of people would learn more about their device if it was a bog-standard stock Android experience from day 1. They'd try different apps and launchers etc.. I've got a friend with a Desire HD and he's never even opened the Market app. He's 0% techie, so fair enough he's not gonna undervolt and overclock the thing, but he didn't even realise he had a satnav device! I don't want to turn this into a xxx manufacturer against yyy manufacturer, but certain other devices on the market are popular because of what they can do. I think Android is being sold short by not making it obvious how far it can go. That, I believe, is partly down to having a device loaded with apps that obscure the possibilities.
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BTW, thanks for the compliment, but I'm simply a developer. This place has far more kick ass developers than me!
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Sadly no it doesnt make it aosp and as the user above pointed out theres a lot of fragmentation in android, manufactures are messing with the core of the system and not just building an overlay/launcher.
Sometimes this works sometimes this doesn't i do feel alot of the resources could be used to better the stock system, better all round compatibility, better drivers and make android better for all there users. but thats like asking for world peace, and im no CEO of a major corp so what do i know
But i know how it works in the real world, i gave my sister my HD2 and she doesnt care what Rom is on there as long as it looks nice and everything is there out the box. (cant believe i gave her the most versitile handset on the planet with that attitude but thats beside the point )
The OS ease is very important to people and i understand that for a non-tecky, i think that is also part of the reason why we cant have stock out the box, the 'mobile market' needs the icon on his device to begin with so the manufacturers try to supply that, but do it very badly.
Phew! sorry about that.
I also much prefer AOSP.
I loved sense on winmo but I absolutely detest the android equivalent.
Touchwiz is just plain vile and as jcm mentioned the SGS2 is lacking that really stable aosp experience....
Luckily though if your unhappy with your phone and need to make changes then your in the right place
No I haven't missed the op's point about wanting more customisation out of the box but I just wanted to make the point that every single resource you need to achieve whatever you want to do with your phone (within reason) is right here under your nose.
I now have a rom for my phone that is (nearly) exactly how I want it, no Touchwiz, less bloat, all the cool little tweaks that our talented devs have given us and all it took was one day of reading and a lot of trial and error...... it was fun too.
Sure I cheated and used a kitchen but hey, gotta start somewhere right.
Anyway I digress, my point is that we can all wish for HTC/samsung etc to start catering for our every need until we are blue in the face but they won't.
Sometimes you just have to roll up you're sleeves and do things for yourself.
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I now have a rom for my phone that is (nearly) exactly how I want it, no Touchwiz, less bloat, all the cool little tweaks that our talented devs have given us and all it took was one day of reading and a lot of trial and error...... it was fun too.
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And are you planning on releasing this? You've had my dev work. It's only fair I have yours
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And are you planning on releasing this? You've had my dev work. It's only fair I have yours
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Actually I very nearly did but you know how many zip file heroes there are in that section. Do we really need another?
That and I'm too lazy to update it for each new firmware that trickles out.
I think I will release one though, probably with a very tongue in cheek OP....
And yes, I and a lot of others had many, many hours of enjoyment from your work so thanks for that
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I finally had enough and jumped ship. I got what I originally wanted but was too impatient to wait, the Galaxy Skyrocket. I had to dish out full price (used) but it's worth it. The amount of frustration using the Thrill was far outweighing the cost of just getting a new phone. i've found that the only thing that made the Thrill bearable was by flashing CM7 but then you lose any benefit of having it to begin with (3d).
FTR, I had flashed GB O3D rom on this phone and used that for the past 3 months or so prior to finally flashing CM7 and losing the 3d.
The 3d isn't worth the disadvantages of having this phone after all and I wish I had listened to others from the beginning. Even with CM7, the phone is nowhere near as snappy and productive as the STOCK bloated rom on the Samsung Galaxy S2 phones. Prior to having the Skyrocket, I didn't quite understand what the advantage would be, if you compared specs to specs. Apparently there is something else other than hardware specs that makes one android phone simply better than the other hands down. Sorry for the rant, but I am posting this in case others who have been putting up with their Thrill have been on the fence and don't know what they're missing. I bought the Thrill 1 week prior to its release date and have been a trooper putting up with it until this week. I'm so glad to be done with it, it's now sitting in my junk drawer. Good riddance!
Not trying to be rude, but it'd be nice if useless clutter such as this was not posted.
It's completely irrelevant.
i dont know why ppl hate this phone so much i love it after rooting it and putting a custom rom on it rocks the house have no problems with missed calls or sms's np gettting a full day out of the battery now that were off froyo my buddy at work has an sg2 and my phone is just as fast as his phone.
I do not know why people are complaining about this phone either... I have put the thriller rom on it and the battery is lasting for almost 2 full days now... I still have my 3D (which if you ask me is much nicer in theory than it is in actuality.) and rarely use it... You people that are complaining about it as you are, are just too damn picky... Lighten up and enjoy the phone for what it can do. Dont just jump on the "oh i cant upgrade to GB so its shyt" bandwagon...
We're complaining because some of us (myself) ditched the iPhone for a more "open" platform that we wouldn't have to worry about hacking as much so we could do stuff that a phone should do without jailbreaking. I was always doing stuff to my iPhone to the point where it was very unstable an I just wanted to go legit. So I got an Android, now the only way to get anything out of it is to mod and hack again, which bumps you right back into that "sketchy" territory. I'm glad roms and hacks work for you but there are cons to those pro's as well. I've spent far to much time flashing KDZ's on this phone trying to get it functional. Not a single GB worked for me and I tried them all. I always had ghost calls. I've been considering the SGSII so I'm glad to hear it's as good as I think/hope it is.
Update: to further reply to your "I don't know why your complaining" comment about "being too damn picky" All I want is for my phone to last 1 day and not miss any phone calls. Oh, and not freeze in the middle of a game or app. On froyo my battery life is ****e and there is tons of freezing. On GB I miss calls and texts on a regular basis. Now tell me I'm being picky.
I don't think it's the case of being too picky, it's the quality of the phone and the company that gets people. Think about it LG knew the battery life of these phone would be shytty while testing it but they still released it.... plus to my understanding their updating progress is way to long of a wait for such a powerful phone, by the time we "may" get an ICS update jellybean will be out (I think) As for my experience with thrill my only issue was the battery life (which I took care of) other than that I love my phone and very satisfied with it
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I used one of my upgrades to get a galaxy note. Stock for stock the thrill was almost as fAst as it and scored much better on fps in graphics tests. I've oc'd the note now and the thrill doesn't come close. I could see the thrill being just as quick oc'd and tweaked. And, the thrill plays more games without having to do any tweaking. Don't get me wrong, i gave the thrill to my son and will probably never go back to the thrill only because of the screen size and lte. Though i did give the son strict orders to take care of it as i want it back when he finally upgrades.
Sent from a Galaxy far, far away!
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I used one of my upgrades to get a galaxy note. Stock for stock the thrill was almost as fAst as it and scored much better on fps in graphics tests. I've oc'd the note now and the thrill doesn't come close. I could see the thrill being just as quick oc'd and tweaked. And, the thrill plays more games without having to do any tweaking. Don't get me wrong, i gave the thrill to my son and will probably never go back to the thrill only because of the screen size and lte. Though i did give the son strict orders to take care of it as i want it back when he finally upgrades.
Sent from a Galaxy far, far away!
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I just finished putting thiaz03d 2.6 with 1158 oc kernel .4 and stripping it down to the apps that I use and man this phone is blazing fast did a antutu benchmark and scored 6538 witch is higher then a stock sg2 so I'm very happy with this phone now it just flys.
Posts like this crack me up, hence my screen name haha. I love this phone. It's got an awesome screen, super fast dual core processor and a high quality feel to the build. All the samsung phones just feel like they're made out of toy plastic. I'm also glad LG doesn't try to overwhelm us with an over-the-top Android overlay such as Sense, TouchWiz, MotoBlur, etc. I replaced the stock launcher with launcher pro as soon as I got it and it got much better battery life. LG Home is a battery sucker and a resource hog. I like the widgets they provided with it too, they're really classy and useful. For a phone with only 512 MB of RAM, I usually manage to get around 200 MB of RAM free when I'm not running anything. Try asking someone with a Captivate how much of their memory they can get free (usually about 100 MB or less), they'll be shocked when you say you can get that. I think the people who complain are too unfamiliar with the Android operating system and its customizability and were just looking for something that works without any tweaking. If you want something like that, just get an iphone. And I'm not knocking that at all, Apple only builds one phone for a reason, so they can concentrate on it and make it work flawlessly despite any perceived hardware shortcomings. But I'm glad I chose my Thrill so I can make it do what I want it to do, and it does. And nothing beat the price point this thing was at back in September.
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Posts like this crack me up, hence my screen name haha. I love this phone. It's got an awesome screen, super fast dual core processor and a high quality feel to the build. All the samsung phones just feel like they're made out of toy plastic. I'm also glad LG doesn't try to overwhelm us with an over-the-top Android overlay such as Sense, TouchWiz, MotoBlur, etc. I replaced the stock launcher with launcher pro as soon as I got it and it got much better battery life. LG Home is a battery sucker and a resource hog. I like the widgets they provided with it too, they're really classy and useful. For a phone with only 512 MB of RAM, I usually manage to get around 200 MB of RAM free when I'm not running anything. Try asking someone with a Captivate how much of their memory they can get free (usually about 100 MB or less), they'll be shocked when you say you can get that. I think the people who complain are too unfamiliar with the Android operating system and its customizability and were just looking for something that works without any tweaking. If you want something like that, just get an iphone. And I'm not knocking that at all, Apple only builds one phone for a reason, so they can concentrate on it and make it work flawlessly despite any perceived hardware shortcomings. But I'm glad I chose my Thrill so I can make it do what I want it to do, and it does. And nothing beat the price point this thing was at back in September.
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Hardware is nothing without good support. And LG support frankly isn't very good.
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Hardware is nothing without good support. And LG support frankly isn't very good.
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i havent had any problems with lg support there always straight up with me told me when were getting ics when i asked and also to the guy above you i get 200 to 250mb free when i close all my apps so i cant complain at all
i know some ppl have this ghost call thing but you ever think its your carrier and not lg ive used all the roms that claim to have gc probs and i never had any.
I eligible to upgrade and a white galaxy note is what I might get depending on how long at&fee decides to update to ics. Along with that a lag fix and price drop.
I never get more than 100 ram free unless I just stopped playing a heavy game and that's only for a few seconds before everything launches again. What in the world are you doing to get 200 free?
Are you using the stock launcher or a (better) one from the market? I use launcher pro, and it uses much less resources from what I can tell. Whenever I tried going back to LG Home, I noticed there was so much less free memory in the app manager. Actually right now I only have about 76 MB free, but that's because I let Gmail, Go SMS Pro, Opera Mobile, Pandora, and the finance app stay in there because I use them all the time. If I clear them out I'll be over 160 MB and in the green easy.
well i have thiaz03d rom 2.6 and it has lgs newest launcher then i used that post in the 03d forum to remove all the apps that im not using and froze every thing that i didnt want to delete that i dont us i pertty much striped my phone right down and install only the files for my phone and apps i use to run. o and hardly any thing runs in the back ground.
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Posts like this should be deleted by the mod. It serves no useful purpose and just sounds likes a duck quacking on a pond.
The phone is what you make of it. All smartphones are. if you dont like battery life, find the culprit and eliminate it. If you dont like stock, root it. If you dont like something you have acquired because you didnt do your homework dont whine about it in a place where people are trying to make the best of what they have chosen. Keep your mouth shut and move on. Dont like the phone, go write a review on cnet.
Quack! please delete this along with the whole string
Don't defend LG till they fix the phone
Firstly everyone who doesn’t get ghost calls, are you shore? have you checked, I am only saying this since it is hard to tell, I didn’t think I wasn’t getting any until lots of people started saying that I never answer my phone, and when I started testing it guess what to my surprise I was getting them, and it’s so random that it might happen only 1 out of 20 or even 1 out of 50 but since it is random when it happens you never know, I once was testing it I called 6 times in a row and it was 6 out of 6 ghost calls, and the thing with ghost calls they don’t go to the answering machine they don’t leave missed call notifications and it’s the same with text msg's there is no trace of them at all, and for the people that are calling you they just think you are being rude by not answering or never returning their calls not to mention missing important business calls, so I know when some people say I never get them well for all you know you have and never realised it, and how can anyone defend LG's O3D/Thrill when they have such a serious issue and still haven’t fixed it, not to mention people who get the error "reorganizing internal processes" when trying to call out which I have had in the past, what if you are in an emergency and you need to call but all you get in "reorganizing internal processes" and then you have to wait for the phone to fix itself or restart it, and we all know how long the O3D/Thrill takes to start up don’t we, or you go to make a call and have no reception and have to restart the phone, or have you forgetting the main purpose of a mobile = calling and communication....
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Posts like this should be deleted by the mod. It serves no useful purpose and just sounds likes a duck quacking on a pond.
The phone is what you make of it. All smartphones are. if you dont like battery life, find the culprit and eliminate it. If you dont like stock, root it. If you dont like something you have acquired because you didnt do your homework dont whine about it in a place where people are trying to make the best of what they have chosen. Keep your mouth shut and move on. Dont like the phone, go write a review on cnet.
Quack! please delete this along with the whole string
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Don't like these posts? Quit reading them.
On a lighter note I will buy any ones old lg thrill/o3d for parts as I have hardware bricked mine and need a new logic board/main board.
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It's not that we don't like the post.
It's that it is completely useless and serves as clutter.
This isn't a general section for ALL android phones.
It's the general section for the LG Thrill. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Understand?