Hi Everyone,
I have a question that I need some help with, here is my situation:
I’ve had an HD2 for about a year which was running a Froyo with Sense ROM, and smashed it by accident. I now have a brand new insurance replacement Nexus One sitting on my desk.
What I really want is a Desire HD (pretty much what I was using earlier…) so I’m considering selling the N1 and picking one of those up (I like the extra screen size, and new ROM with cached maps, htcsense.com etc…). Does this sound like a good idea, or am I better off just keeping the N1 and hoping someone comes up with a hacked ROM to include these featues…? Is the N1 better than Desire HD in any way?
Cheers
One of the reasons (just one - there were many!) that I got rid of my Samsung Vibrant was how much the Nexus One seems to be holding onto it's value. Look out on Ebay - it's still selling for around $450 for a used one and $600+ for a new one. After having been out this long I don't know of any other phones that have held onto their value that long!
You can try Desire HD port, it exists.
If what you want is Desire HD - go and buy Desire HD. Nexus is developer phone, and there's no other current phone like it, if you want to mess with it a lot. But as a phone, if you're not interested in messing with it, I believe Desire HD will suit your needs better.
if you like to mod and generally f*ck with ur phone, keep N1
if your happy with stock rom and just play with themes and apps, i would say go Desire HD
i have been tempted by Desire HD, rather tempted, but i constantly mod my phone. so i just cant give up N1
RellikZephyr
choasty said:
Hi Everyone,
I have a question that I need some help with, here is my situation:
I’ve had an HD2 for about a year which was running a Froyo with Sense ROM, and smashed it by accident. I now have a brand new insurance replacement Nexus One sitting on my desk.
What I really want is a Desire HD (pretty much what I was using earlier…) so I’m considering selling the N1 and picking one of those up (I like the extra screen size, and new ROM with cached maps, htcsense.com etc…). Does this sound like a good idea, or am I better off just keeping the N1 and hoping someone comes up with a hacked ROM to include these featues…? Is the N1 better than Desire HD in any way?
Cheers
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This sounds idiotic idea, selling better phone and buying worser.
Look this is desire z overclocked to hyper fast 1.4mhz http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=813749 .
Just install evil d's desire hd rom, the camera and hotspot are not working but that will surely be added in a future update
elkyur said:
This sounds idiotic idea, selling better phone and buying worser.
Look this is desire z overclocked to hyper fast 1.4mhz http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=813749 .
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1. There's no such thing as "worser"
2. "overclocked to hyper fast 1.4MHZ" LMFAO
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Hey XDA,
I've had the G1 for more than a year and a half now, and with all these new phones coming out im really considering a nexus one. But there are allota questions i still have to ask that pertain to people that actually have the phone. I'd appreciate any help.
1. I'm sick and tired of getting the newest "hottest" phone, and then realizing theres so much more just around the corner. With the EVO 4G coming out, the HTC Desire on the horizon, the new Iphone announcement most likely coming in summer - i just want to know if the nexus one is "futureproof". I've been flashing ROMs to my g1 just to keep it as close to the newest and greatest android i can get on it, but i really know now with all these snapdragon processor phones coming out the g1 aint gonna cut it. What do you guys think about the nexus one being futureproof? I'm most likely going to be flashing the latest Cynanogen or the new Desire ROMs on it when I get it. Will cooked ROMs enable me to be on par wiht the competition the Nexus will get in the coming months?
2. How does the Nexus One compare to the HTC Desire? I know they are pretty much the same phone but looking at some reviews, it seems like the Desire is much more highly touted. Since I can get the Desire ROM on my Nexus One when I get it, will the two phones really function that different? Is there a noticable speed boost with that extra about 70MB of RAM the Desire has? I've heard some things about the screen being very responsive - is the screen on the Desire different from the Nexus One? Really, what's so great about the Desire the Nexus One doesn't have?
3. Really. How fast is the Nexus One, stock and with a Cynanogen ROM? Do livewallpapers work flawlessly? Does switching from app to app happen blazing fast?
4. Is the screen that bad to use in the sunlight where its pretty much rendered unusable? I'd like to know from you guys experiencing the phone.
5. About that reception issue the Nexus One is having, is there a really high cahnce the phone I order will have the issue at this point? Is the signal reception issues really bad where I will have that much trouble getting 3g? How bad is it really? I live in NY. So if anyone of u guys live here i'd appreciate your view.
Thanks alot XDA, I'm really looking forward to some answers, and apologize for taking your time.
Greetings!
Like I always say, these are all based on my opinion and experience. You or others might think otherwise...
1- IMO the N1 will be a keeper for quiet awhile, although there might be great phones that are out or coming out, they are less likely to have the latest updates since they arent google devices, they alsi wont get as much attention from the devs compared to the N1‚ just like the G1 to Hero/Mytouch.
2- I consider the desire to be an N1 with sense UI, they're very similar, except for a few things like N1’s noise cancellation features which the desire won't have, anything the desire has however, you have the option to have in the N1 when you flash Modaco's Alpha version of the desire. ( I should say its great for being an Alpha version only).
3- I cannot stress how fast this phone is. live wallpaper works flawlessly and you have Cyanogen, Enomther, Kingklicks and other ROMs available that makes it even better.
4-AMOLED isn't as great as SUPER AMOLED, but with the auto brightness tweak that Enom and Cyan and Modaco have in their ROMs make it good enough for me.
5- I never had a problem with my order or my device, and I ordered it January so they probably fixed minor issues by now to avoid returns, still I suggest you give it a few days before unlocking and rooting ur phone just incase... As far as signal goes I think its all about the network you're on, and since the N1 will be available to all carriers if not already, pick the network that suits u best.
Good Luck brother!!!
1. Nexus one ftw, i just got my nexus one over the HTC desire paying around $260 more for nexus. Reason nexus got many pros n zero cons. Nexus one is one phone gonna live more than 2 years coz its google branded and sold by google and at max only a 1.5 ghz phone can be out in the market and its not gonna happen till mid 2011. Nexus got OC, it is developer friendly it got a big developer support, i know how it feels not to have a good developer backbone. We got all the funky, risk taking deveopers here which is going to unlikely with any other phone. Most G1 developers shifted to N1. For the screen i travel a lot around the worls and nexus has been with me in the brightest SUN. If you make the brightness around 1/2 u can see most stuff on screen, for text reading u need to turn it to full, same was with my Hero, Magic, G1 and Liquid.
For the reception Nexus is the only phone i got which has 2 bars in the basement of my mall which is 2 floor underground.
About EVO, i may have one of the biggest hand but handling HTC HD2 was nothing like holding a monster, its barely gonna look good in ur hand, u will feel awkward n clarity of Nexus will be more due to higher dpi of Nexus. and for EVO on NExus will surely run faster due to the devs we have here. Everything will be ported to nexus. Nexus will have best of both worlds VANILLA (CYANOGEN) and Sense(Paulobrien{Modaco}.
For the speed i currently have more than 413 apps on my phone last i checked n it is still faster than stock nexus one ( U know stock isnt gonna be slow). i get no Lag nothing, NO FC n battery lasts around 14-15 hours ( I use it at full brightness coz i am mostly outside and i got wifi always on, twitter checks every 5 min, 3g always on, Web browsing on the go sites like xda and gizmodo etc, n play my favourite game asphalt(almost finished, was released around 5 days ago n it is a long game), i got no complaints with nexus n i ordered it with a dock coz dock is awesome
About the Build quality- My dad threw my phone in anger on a hard marble floor from around 6 feet and it bounced 3-4 times on floor. no scratch nothing, guess i was lucky (dont try this)
I love the nexus and i am proud to say NEXUS FTW
will tel more of my expreience but gotta go, hope u get it soon
bumpitup wishing to hear even more responses!
Im having the exact same problem as you... I have the g1 currently and love the roms and all the work that the devs have put into it, but my g1 isn't cutting it anymore and i need an upgrade. I was looking at the HTC desire (im in the UK) which on tmobile will be considerably cheaper than the N1 when it gets released, but I am dubious whether the Desire is going to be right for me. I really want a phone that a lot of the devs will support so it can be as fun as the g1 was for me
Buy one i just got mine two days ago, best android phone, better then the iphone in every sense, if your into complete freedom and customization you will love it....
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Im having the exact same problem as you... I have the g1 currently and love the roms and all the work that the devs have put into it, but my g1 isn't cutting it anymore and i need an upgrade. I was looking at the HTC desire (im in the UK) which on tmobile will be considerably cheaper than the N1 when it gets released, but I am dubious whether the Desire is going to be right for me. I really want a phone that a lot of the devs will support so it can be as fun as the g1 was for me
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wrd up man, the g1 was hella fun. but with the nexus one out now, im definitely looking for something better than the g1 - and i want that same fun, flashing different ROMs, customizing the hell out of it, showing it off, it was great. definitely stuck on purchasing the n1 though because its alot of money to invest when there are more phones just around the cornerrr
Im almost positive you guys will love the N1, specially coming from a G1. For me it'll take a lot for the competing phones to pass up the N1, unless they come out with a dual processor phone that looks as pretty as the N1, then its time to switch to a new phone.
Hi guys,
I have a Nexus One running 2.2 and was thinking about swapping it for a HTC HD2 and then putting Froyo on it myself. I like the fact that the HD2 has a bigger screen and pretty much the same spec as the Nexus One.
Does anyone know how the HTC HD2 runs after putting Froyo in it? Is it as fast as the N1 with Froyo? Is everything working like callls Wifi etc.? Would you do the swap I am about to do or do you think I'm mad?
Cheers,
M
I honestly hated my HD2. Good luck
Cheers Wylker......can I ask why though? What handset you got now man?
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Cheers Wylker......can I ask why though? What handset you got now man?
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Probably because of windows mobile. =)
Cool! Anyone have one and put Froyo on it? Is it hard to do guys?
M
i did tried it on my HD2 last night . software still have alot not respone error not smooth running yet. had to force stop alot the screen look washed out compare to nexus one battery not recognized. and it running hot. i did see the advance of having larger screen thought.
Thank you tiensinh99. Do you have a link for a tutorial on how to put Froyo on it??
Larger screen... if you prefer that, that's probably the only thing that makes it better than the Nexus. The biggest downside is it being a windows based phone. Wait for galaxy S to come out for T-Mobile. Or go for EVO if you want a bigger screen, that would be a smarter way to go.
If I was to start all over though, and had a choice between those devices ... I'd buy a nexus one once again.
the instruction how to install is in the LEO general forum. also there r the dual boot intruction.
samsung galaxy S already came out on tmobile. and i'm still choice N1 over HD2 every time.
Cheers guys.....I think I have my answer.
M
Wasn't there another thread where someone was looking to swap his HD2 for an Nexus One?
Maybe these 2 should meet?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=728343
thinking of trading nexus one for iphone 3gs and htc hd2, both phones are unlocked. Would this trade be worth doing? I ve used an unlocked, jailbroken iphone before pretty solid, wouldnt mind playing with the hd2 for awhile.
I couldn't stand using my friends HD2 for more than 5 minutes.
wouldn't trade my nexus for that phone even if it could transform into optimus prime...
or build an island and transform into a jet and fly me to that island.. i don't care.
I would not do that. While it is neat to see android running on a a wm phone, it would never be nearly as stable as a real android phone. I had a touch diamond and I could never use android on a daily basis, had awful battery life and all kind of other problems
Hello,
So HTC introduced 2 brad new models Z and HD. Would you consider one of them to be your brand new phone or not really interested?
If no then what would you make to look for new one?
Cheers!
nope, both are ugly compared to nexus..
nope...i have a nexus because its an android developer phone....
and i think i more like samsung Galaxy S..because its have a big internal disk space on it..
All depends on whether it'll be easy to root and install custom firmware... Cyanogen on a HTC Desire HD would be nice
Not at this time! My nexus is still rocking!
Yea, I would, once it gets released on AT&T. I need a 4.3" phone.
Hello all.
I want to buy a mobile phone but i don't know what should i buy.
I don't care if my phone is big.(there isn't too big for screen)
but.
in my country (israel), thr prices are the issue.
those are the prices for the phones: (from a mobile store):
HTC Desire HD: 1086$
Samsung Galaxy s(i9000): 768$
Htc Desire:582$
i really want the best phone for the best price.
is there really a reason to add 300$ for the Desire HD?
or should i go for the Galaxy S?
BTW: A8 or Snapdragon?
Thanks All!
The one reason I wouldn't buy the Desire HD is the lack of internal storage space. I mean, 1.5GB vs 16GB? Yes, you can add on a microSD card and move your apps to storage, but the fact that many apps themselves don't let you do it is going to make things a tad more complicated than it has to be. Plus, you'll have to dish out some extra money for a microSD card, unless HTC provides you with one.
That said, the reason I would get the Desire HD is mainly because of the HTC Sense software, oh and the 8MP camera. While the 5MP camera on the Galaxy S is great, the lack of an LED flash leaves a lot to be desired. And TouchWiz isn't really my favourite UI, which is why I've flashed my SGS with a custom ROM and installed LauncherPro.
In terms of performance, I'd say they're about on par with each other. Bigger RAM gives the DHD a bit of an edge over the SGS, but the Hummingbird processor is just significantly better at rendering graphics.
I'm happy with my SGS, and personally, 4.0-inch is the limit for me. Anything above that should really go in the tablet category. Plus, after using the S-AMOLED screen on the SGS, regular LCD screens feel a bit.. insufficient, if you know what I mean.
This is just my opinion. Don't take my word for it. I still think the Desire HD is an awesome phone, just not for me. Since there's also the price factor to think about, and in your case there is a USD300 price difference. I'd seriously think about what I'd pay an extra USD300 for.
I'll wait for a nexus S.
If you are able to get Google Nexus S,
there is absolutely no reason to bother with Samsung Galaxy S.
If I could get Nexus S, I wouldn't even bother with any other phone including Desire HD.
except the nexus s is only coming out with tmobile 3g frequencies..
wait for galaxy s 2 or x12 (lol)
well...
I don't really see alot of changes in the Nexus...
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3620&idPhone2=3115
yeah it's has Led and a few other tiny things..
but it's seems that the hardware is the same...
and i don't think that Desire HD worth adding 300$...
I think i will go with the Galaxy S,
Maybe i will exchange it after the Nexus come out
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BTW! The Galaxt S2 looks Great!!!
Think you should go with the Galaxy S if you get a sweet deal. Otherwise, might as well get the Nexus S since it's slightly updated with Gingerbread.
In reality, it boils downs to, which one do you like better. The straight one or the concave one. Haha.
Not worth getting a galaxy s, developing is slow kinda, but since nexus s is a Google phone with stock aosp gingerbread, u shud get more devs working on it. And get cm first, miui , and all the other mods available.
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Not worth getting a galaxy s, developing is slow kinda, but since nexus s is a Google phone with stock aosp gingerbread, u shud get more devs working on it. And get cm first, miui , and all the other mods available.
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That what i thought about..
The Galaxy S and the Nexus S are the same phone.
so i guess that every mod that will be on Nexus will be on the Galaxy..
that why i'm taking the Galaxy...
(and i'm an Apple dev... :S)
I would wait
I would wait and get Nexus S instead of Galaxy S.
The reasons:
1. Price (~530$ in US if I'm not mistaken). If you have a friend visiting US (preferably one of the tax-free states), ship it directly to the hotel and ask him to bring it.
2. You get "stock" android with fastest adoption of new releases. Samsung's froyo adoption is about half a year late after Nexus and is far below in terms of tuning quality.
3. Even if Nexus S is just a remake of Galaxy, second generation should theoretically have some problems of the first generation resolved... (lag, GPS just to name a few).
BTW all..
I can't find any comparing between the i9000 vs the HD7
HD7 cost the same as the i9000 here.
so maybe i should get the HD7?
AFAIK, HD7 is windows, not android... Does it matter to you?
I'm due to upgrade my Hero in January and currently torn between Desire HD, Galaxy S and Nexus S.
Here's my random thoughts so far, good and bad:
Nexus S
-Nice form factor, but possibly plasticy build like SGS.
-I'm not bothered about the vanilla Android experience as I would like to root flash a custom ROM from day one / as soon as available.
-I have a DSLR so the addition on LED flash over the SGS is no deal breaker.
-I have no intention of video calling so front facing camera is of no concern.
-NFC is not something I will ever use.
-Was expecting dual core, or at least a jump up from 1GHz.
-Unsure if / when T-Mobile UK will stock them.
-Most future proof of the three phones.
-Great screen.
Desire HD
-This was the main contendor to begin with but battery life seems to be a big issue for some and I don't really want a phone I have to either not use fully, disable features or charge more than once a day.
-It has Sense UI, which I have always liked.
-Great build, but possibly a little big.
-Nicest looking of the 3 phones.
-Screen not as good as Nexus S, SGS.
-Again, I have a DSLR so the 8MP camera + flash is nothing for me to get excited about.
Galaxy S
-Laggy out of the box - fixed with custom ROMs and other methods.
-GPS issues - Has this been fixed yet?
-Looks a bit too much like iPhone 3GS.
-Comfortable to hold, but feels a bit plasticy.
-Should get similar updates to Nexus 2, or at least good ports.
-Great screen.
-Increasing amount of decent custom ROMs, mods and themes.
So, with all that said, I'm still no closer to choosing one!
T-Mobile UK do both DHD and SGS already so I'll wait and see if they carry the Nexus S and then maybe I'll be able to make my mind up
Lee
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AFAIK, HD7 is windows, not android... Does it matter to you?
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I understand that the HD7 is almost the same as Desire HD in all terms..
so i guess that it's only a metter of time that a Dual boot will come out..I think..
What do you say?
I want to buy the mobile this week... I can't wait >_<
HD7 or i9000?
I know how you feel Lee...
But for me the Desire HD isn't a choice, cos it's cost 300$ more then the other phones..
that why i think about the HD7 as a choise..
and another thing.... The price hasn't change a bit even if you buy a Used one..
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I know how you feel Lee...
But for me the Desire HD isn't a choice, cos it's cost 300$ more then the other phones..
that why i think about the HD7 as a choise..
and another thing.... The price hasn't change a bit even if you buy a Used one..
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Wow, that's quite a price jump!
Personally, I'd go for the i9000 over any WinMo 7 based phone purely from an OS point of view.
My friend has the HTC Trophy WinMo 7 phone and it's a great handset, however I think the OS has a while to go before it's a worthy competitor for Android.
Don't buy Desire HD, it's a crap, beside the higher price than SGS, its battery life is horrible and its screen is never as good as Samsung's Super AMOLED.
If time is not problem, you should wait for Nexus S because it has the same specs as SGS plus Android 2.3, flash LED and good supports from Google.
You should get the desire hd it looks the best it don't have that crappy pentile and HTC has a 8mpx camera with flash has a micro SD card slot , and does anyone even use more than 500mb for apps/games anyway ?? , xda already has some wicked roms and with the new snapdragon(better than hummingbird *opinion*) the phone is mega fast straight outside the box and finally HTC always is the next in line for there updates
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But Nexus S not working on 850MHz for 3G
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I would wait and get Nexus S instead of Galaxy S.
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3. Even if Nexus S is just a remake of Galaxy, second generation should theoretically have some problems of the first generation resolved... (lag, GPS just to name a few).
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I was waiting for the Nexus S - I really wanted a stock Android phone, and when I saw the pictures I got very excited - and then I saw the lack of 850MHz 3G (UMTS) support.
Arguable the fastest and best coverage 3G network in Australia, the Telstra network runs on 850MHz (like AT&T and Rogers I believe). Pricing might not be as good - but work can pay for that .
So my question - should I wait with fingers crossed that a 850MHz 3G version of the Nexus S is developed/released, or should I just get a SGS (Telsta capable version - sorry can't post link am too much of a noob) and load stock Android on to it (assuming that in a couple of months someone will have figured how to do this for Gingerbread)?
I'm tempted to wait at least a little while, as no announcement of any availably of the Nexus S in Australia yet, but I really want to upgrade from my BlackBerry Bold soon (it and it's temperamental scroll "pearl" are is driving me mad!) The temptation to wait yet longer for a Honeycomb flavored phone is probably not enough to make me hold off.
Thanks for any thoughts/opinions on this idea
Don't get me wrong, I love my HTC one, I've had it for a week or so now, and it's a vast improvement from my HTC Evo 3D. That being said, was it worth the 2 year contract and $200(What I had to pay) for the upgrade? To be honest, I don't think so. The HTC 3D was a fantastic phone, really didn't lag, and I had Holo Locker and Apex Launcher installed to give it that jellybean look(I also have this installed on my One).
The reason I had upgraded was that I just turned 18, so I could legally have my own contract, and my power button completely came off the circuit board on my evo. I was not about to replace the button or get another evo.
I was just wondering if anyone feels like they should've waited until the next big HTC phone(Samsung phones feel too cheap!) or if the HTC one was the way to go!
I had a Samsung GS4 i9500 before buying the One and I felt it was a big improvement
Not a vast improvement over the Evo 3D?
You must be joking. It's like night and day.
And the Evo 3D was a lag fest, I don't know what phone you were using lol
I'm coming from the Samsung Galaxy S3 and it's an upgrade, a huge one? Absolutely not lol. Enough for me to be happy with the 650$ purchase? Yes. You must be very easy to please OP, I wish I was.
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I had a Samsung GS4 i9500 before buying the One and I felt it was a big improvement
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me too !!!
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Not a vast improvement over the Evo 3D?
You must be joking. It's like night and day.
And the Evo 3D was a lag fest, I don't know what phone you were using lol
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I meane it is a vast improvement, but if I had the choice of my power button not breaking and keeping my 3D over buying a new phone i wouldve kept the 3D. it never lagged for me, and did everything I need no problems, I'm sure MANY people had problems with the 3D, but I never did and it was great for what I needed it for.
I bought the One X at release and loved it.
I bought the One at release and love it.
I'll probably buy the next big thing at release and love it.
I can afford to and I'm a phone geek.
You seem to be closer to the other end of the scale.
I still think the best device ever was the Nexus 1 made by HTC.
It was not aluminum but Teflon which felt premium quality too,the trackball colors was great for missed calls and sms
From my Desire HD? This thing is amazing
Im confused?
Just asked a simple question for the community, am confused with the insults, but thats for the more mature comments those of you who had left them.
I jumped from my HTC Wildfire to a One.
After finding out Nexus4 is 200€ I regret it a little =(
I'm kinda regretting it... I love the phone but I could have stayed with the gnex another year for sure.
I got it as a replacement for my HTC Sensation, and it's a huge improvement. Everything launches so fast, and BoomSound is great!
24x24€ and i came from HTC 8S .
Very happy!
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I got it as a replacement for my HTC Sensation, and it's a huge improvement. Everything launches so fast, and BoomSound is great!
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Agree 100%. Came from my Sensation. Its lightspeed quicker.
Steve
I love the aluminum alloy body on the One, the power of the Snapdragon 600 SoC and the amazing screen, although as predicted by myself when I bought my HTC One five months ago, I now wish I had been patient enough to wait for the 64 GB version to become available.
I know also that as soon as something very similar comes on the market with a Snapdragon 800 powering it that I will be unlikely to avoid the temptation to upgrade a perfectly good phone after a mere .......six months ?
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I'm kinda regretting it... I love the phone but I could have stayed with the gnex another year for sure.
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Shoots self in head... the SGN was such a great phone wrapped in a awful package.
The screen sucked, speakers and mics sucked, camera sucked, signal sucked, battery sucked a little less... but the OMAP 4460 was a great processor it 'almost' made up for the rest.
To be completely honest with the OP though, no one can answer that question for you. To me the Moto X is a step back, to others its a leap forward from the One. Each person is different and ha different values
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I'd stick with it. It's amazing and it'll get better and better the more you use it
I also come from the HTC sensation , and the performance difference is light years. the one would have been perfect if HTC kept the option for exchanging the battery and a sd card slot.... yet everything is perfect,but what happens if the battery becomes weak ? questionable if HTC would replace the battery under warranty....
i came from s4 i9500 octa and i think my one is a rocket in terms of speed and fluidity