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New Diamond user seeking some advice

Ok I've been searching the forums for a while now to find answers to my questions and I've answered a few of them but I think I need a little more advice.
I'm using the HTC Touch Diamond and the Model NO shows DIAM500 on the back I've got MP6950, ROM version is 1.22.557.1, Radio Version 1.03.06F. I'm a CDMA user (Pretty sure anyway) and my carrier is Cellular South.
I love my Diamond it's just my carrier that seems to be a problem. I live out in the boonies so my reception is virtually non-existant at home. Not a major problem but an annoying one. It's not just with the Diamond it's with every cell phone I've ever had. Also the battery life could be better I think, I get about 4 hours with pretty moderate use while I have signal (at work). Haven't really done any tweaking YET but I've started messing around today.
Now this brings me to the reason I'm posting. I was looking into updating my ROM but was not able to download the latest from the HTC site (I figured out why). So as far as ROM's go I'm a little confused with all the custom ROMS posted here, I don't really know which would be best for me and if they will work at all and not screw up my phone. Can anyone offer some advice on what ROM is should use?
And I also want to play around with different Radios because I'm under the impression that it could help my reception issue, and then again it probably won't since I've always had this issue. So has anyone had luck with a certain radio helping poor reception? Is there one that would be better for me than the others?
I'm sure these are fairly regular and annoying questions but I just want to make sure I don't throw away the purchase I just made by updating the ROM and radio.

Most of XDA Forum is not for CDMA.

You can always find custom ROMs. Each ROM is different from the others (included applications and options which affect memory usage and performance). So there really isnt a "best ROM." You can check out the thread for CDMA ROMs and make sure you know how to install new ROMs and that you have the needed applications (HardSPL for GSM I dont know if its the same for CDMA). If you have what it takes you can try several ROMs and radios to find the most suitable one for you. Normally this shouldnt harm your phone unless you dont read well before attempting.
Hope this helps.

Rom Choice Question

Hello..
I am gettign a good deal on a Sprint TP2 .... I am currently usign a Kaiser(Tilt) and love it... I am unlocking the Sprint TP2 so I can use it with a GSM providor.... I was wondering if someone can reccomend a hopefulyl unbranded Rom & radio combo that are known to work with this phone.. The gsm carrier I will be using is called Einstein PCS... But I think any one that works well for AT&T will be good for me as I roam i ntheir networks often.. I am not worried about the 3G speeds as my carrier doesn;t offer that, and I will usually just use Wifi anyways.. Thank you in advance...

Lately lots of people ask this question, but no one want to answer I think you must flash some Roms and choose the best in your opinion

Teej53214 said:
Hello..
I am gettign a good deal on a Sprint TP2 .... I am currently usign a Kaiser(Tilt) and love it... I am unlocking the Sprint TP2 so I can use it with a GSM providor.... I was wondering if someone can reccomend a hopefulyl unbranded Rom & radio combo that are known to work with this phone.. The gsm carrier I will be using is called Einstein PCS... But I think any one that works well for AT&T will be good for me as I roam i ntheir networks often.. I am not worried about the 3G speeds as my carrier doesn;t offer that, and I will usually just use Wifi anyways.. Thank you in advance...
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Firstly, DO NOT flash a GSM ROM, or use any of the GSM unlockers. Head over to the Rhodium CMDA forum and use the tools there.
Secondly, just pick the ROM that you like the look of, there are some in the CDMA forum and a few more on PPCGeeks IIRC. It's not that hard, if you don't like the look of a ROM, change it, if you don't like any, put the stock ROM back on.
EDIT: P.S : Read this : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583481
Thread closed,
Dave

Quick question about 'OEM' product.

First of all Hello everyone, I'm Luke and I'm pretty new to the windows mobile scene.
I've wanted a windows mobile phone for a few years now however price tags were not so appealing to me, but now I've purchased my first windows phone and it should be arriving tomorrow or within the next few days. It also seems that I've bought one at a good time as I'm happy to see a lot of development going on for 6.1/6.5 which is awesome - I like playing around with gadgets more than actually using them.
But here is the catch, whilst I've posted this in the HTC TD2 section here, the phone I've bought isn't actually a TD2. At least not an official one. It's one of the Chinese models found on eBay. I don't want a moral debate going on here - it was a bargain and it's my first step into using a Windows phone which I'm looking forward to for a decent price. It looks like a TD2 and the seller has claimed it is 'OEM Produce' however I don't believe him really.
What I wanted to ask was how will I go about flashing, updating, installing ROM's and the such on this phone? Will it be more than enough to follow instructions for a standard TD2? I hope someone here who understands hardware device and such will be able to clear that up for me.
The phone is using the same processor as the original TD2, and has the same resolution etc. Not sure if it has the same amount of ROM/RAM however it's being shipped with WM 6.1 so it has enough I presume. Are there any other hardware differences that will effect the ROM's I can use? Can I even use the same ROM's you guys are using? I don't care about the lower quality camera and less important things like that.
Thanks for any advice (sorry it was a bit long winded)
Please scroll down to see my most recent post! Thanks!

Thats is a very tricky question you are asking here.
First of all, nothing is certain or guaranteed of what you might receive there. After all, the product you receive will be a counterfeit phone, a fake trying to mock a real TD2. And as with any fake products you get the same quality issues. How do you know for sure that it has the same processor?? Just because they write it there? The same can apply to the RAM, ROM, Display etc.! It is in my opinion HIGHLY unlikely that the phone you will receive, will have anything in common (technology-wise) with the real TD2. The TD2 combines a lot of recent technology like that hd screen, cam and ram. What you will find underneath of yours might be a mash-up of older HTC phones like the Diamond or even older..who knows!? You can continue this uncertainty with the Windows that phone is running...it will be some homecooked release that is made to work with the components the phone features. As they will be different to TD2 as we have clarified earlier, the ROMs available here will most certainly not work ideally with yours....and i would be highly surprised to see a forum that will be dedicated to a fake TD2 lolz. Anyways, I think you get my point...I dont really see why you would ship yourself a chinese mock-up to start with a Windows Mobile phone...I dont, really. There are so many nice cheap hq HTC phones out there that still support 6.5 to-date. I have been using a HTC Excalibur (S620/621/Dash) for like 4 years and kept buying the same phone since then because i LOVE it. The quality is superb and it runs Windows Mobile 6.5 like a charm. You can pickup a brandnew unlocked one for $100 at the bay. Just a week ago i decided to upgrade and bought a new TD2...not here yet but same as you i am very excited Im sorry that i drifted off into a moral debate by the way
If you really want to embark on trying to update your phone you will have to analyze the rom closely to see what phone's ROM it is actually running. This will help you to find the according forum in here.
Good luck

I concur with vivid22, The internals of your phone will certainly be different to those of the original HTC build and as such you may have many unforseen troubles if you do flash the rom.
But if you decide to proceed with a rom flash i would be very interested to hear of your results.
You may also be interested in using some benchmark software and comparing how your phone performs compared to ours, maybe you can discover if the CPU is indeed the correct performance. Its all quite interesting.
Oh and welcome to the forums

Thanks for your responses guys! Very informative.
While I'm not going to respond to the most obvious statements like it being a counterfeit and it sucking etc in much detail because of course you are right! but I knew this when I bought it. The price is the real difference here and I don't mind if I can't flash it but I too am interested if it will actually work .
I'm still waiting for the phone to arrive and yes you both are right it has a very high chance that it is using different internals and I expect this, however the seller seems to state its using very similar hardware.
I will be more than happy to mess around with it, I guess I will dump the ROM first if I can then try installing some 6.5 etc - no problem trying I guess. I must say I've seen some clones from merimobiles.com (or something) with TouchFlo and I think even WinMo 6.5 but then again obtaining those ROM's will be a quest in itself. Not sure if mine is being shipped with TouchFlo, it has it in the screen shots on the listening but that really counts for nothing .
I have seen a few threads on these devices and their flash capability but not any with any definitive results so hopefully I can get the ball rolling. When I actually receive my product I will be able to tell if it is actually using the same processor, etc.

I believe you will find that Hard SPL will not flash to unlock your device.
Many here have tried with the same knock-offs.

Unlock in which way do you mean?
Network unlock? (assuming not)
Maybe worth noting: The guy who is selling these flashes the phone with the version of WinMo (language-wise) that the buyer asks for before shipping out. Meaning they can be flashed, however with what ROM's and what method I've no idea. Might ask him?
Ok if I'm going to poke around this I have two questions to ask that will help me determine things about the phone:
(They may seem very dumb but I just need to clarify)
1. Is there a way to find out the Hard SPL version without installing a new one? Like the current one it has.
2. Is it possible to get into the Bootloader no matter what Hard SPL version you have?

Lukeff7 said:
Unlock in which way do you mean?
Network unlock? (assuming not)
Maybe worth noting: The guy who is selling these flashes the phone with the version of WinMo (language-wise) that the buyer asks for before shipping out. Meaning they can be flashed, however with what ROM's and what method I've no idea. Might ask him?
Ok if I'm going to poke around this I have two questions to ask that will help me determine things about the phone:
(They may seem very dumb but I just need to clarify)
1. Is there a way to find out the Hard SPL version without installing a new one? Like the current one it has.
2. Is it possible to get into the Bootloader no matter what Hard SPL version you have?
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No, SPL unlocks the OS, not the SIM.
Bootloader mode is how you determine your current SPL.

Okay. So I should be able to (hopefully) get into bootloader and find the SPL it currently has.
Well I guess thats it until I actually recieve the phone, cheers guys I'll post how I get on for the people who are interested.

It will be very interesting to hear about it. hope you get what you ordered?
God luck

Well, I'm back, for anyone who is interested!
Phone finally came, snow over here in the UK slowed it down haha!
So, the phone is very good for what I paid, and very nice.
I'd like to go about flashing it though, as it's currently running 6.1 with SPB Mobile Shell. SPB is very nice, but I really like the look of Touch Flo.
Now while cosmetically the phone looks pretty close to the TD2, it has a few things like no front camera (don't really care) and the zoom bar also seems to do absolutely nothing. The phone runs as smooth as it should. It has no g-sensor as far as I can tell, shame but doesn't really matter.
All of this sounds like it has no chance, I think it even has less RAM than it was meant to but I'm not sure... But here is why I am still curious about trying:
Windows Mobile is reporting that it is using the 528Mhz MSM7200A processor.
That is what I believe the real TD2 uses, correct me if I am wrong.
If this means it is using the same chipset or what-have you as the TD2, I don't know. This is why I need help.
Really, what I am asking, is what kind of things can I look at in the phone to tell what I could possibly flash it with?
Do you think the HardSPL utility you all use will work with it? Is there even any way to tell, or should I just try anyway? And could that break the phone beyond repair? Is there a way to find out the real specs of this phone, because it may have been modified so that it read that processor name?
What do you guys think. I'm willing to try all sorts, I just don't want to brick it with no way of getting it back that's why I am just asking for opinions before I do it anyway.
Thanks

You will brick your phone for sure if you try a rom for Diamond2, search this forum for chinese ROM (I saw it somewhere on another thread in Topaz section), but watch out that you will have a clean windows without customizations includind TF3D.

[Q] My God This Site Makes Me Feel Behind The Times

Okay so I use to keep up with the cell phones a decent bit but never got into the windows mobile phones.
Cause my original use for phones was just to have a phone encase someone needed to reach me.
Then it slowly grew into calls, text, music.
And slowly into the now, calls, text, music, organizer, web browsing, pictures, email, no weather though (rain or shin who cares lol), instant messaging, video, I don't really hit the myspace, facebook, twitter really but would be handy for gf, anyone do anything for wiki yet lol
Man getting old sucks. lol, it use to be easy to keep up with everything.
examples: Home Theater, Car Audio, Computers, Cell Phones, Gaming, Exc.
So keep in mind this is for my Sprint - HTC Touch Pro 2 - Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional
I have noticed not alot of love for the CDMA Phones, and I'm also not sure what type of display my phone is.
I have seen like 4 or 5 different labels for the display types and wondered which mine was.
So to my point. From what I am seeing going threw all of these.
No one seems to be making a version of these things where your not totally re-flashing the phone. Or am I just reading that wrong.
In using these different things do they really replace the original backup image on the phone. Or are they just adding another app or Today Screen Item or System overlay or what ever you call it.
I see alot of warnings and using different things for backing up my phone.
That the person suggest to use.
So I'm just try to gauge the level of change to the phone that is going to happen.
I was also wondering how often to people on here take from people ideas or suggestions?
Since I lack the skills in programing. I was thinking of making up some mock pictures and descriptions of what I would like and see what people and programmers think.
I would also be open to any suggestions in things to add as well.
So I think I am going to start doing to mock ups and will post them in a second post but will make a spot for me to edit after this one.

Mock Ideas & Display
post to be edited in future for ideas and concepts

First of all, you'll have to find out more details about your phone... For that you go to Settings > System > Device Information. There you'll find all the details about the current ROM, Manilla, etc. And enough details to get all the information regarding your phone using Google.
Secondly, it's really not that difficult keeping up with the latest tech. Get a few nice RSS feeds for news on technology. I'm personally still waiting for some viable Augmented Reality tech. If you've got an interest then you'll keep up and with the software we have today you can get everything right on your phone or desktop. I personally spend the first hour of every day browsing news, reading articles and reading my emails using my Google Desktop RSS feeds.
Thirdly, flashing ROMs is the easiest way for custom builds to be released. Otherwise you'd have a hundred different CAB files to install and you'd likely get a million errors because of requirements from other CABs that weren't considered. Flashing is really not that difficult and saves a lot of time and effort for both the developer and the user (for the developer because he doesn't get a million queries on why something isn't working). Of course there are a hundred different apps and themes to change the look and feel of your phone but the problem is that HTC never released a global version of Sense/Manilla 2.5 for the Touch Pro 2 (Phone is sold with WM6.5 and Manilla 2.1). They've recently released some localized versions but getting them for your phone is a mission and it doesn't provide you with all the nice added functionality that some of the XDA developers provide.
It does replace your original ROM but you can always download that again from HTC and just flash it back to the original.
Lastly, writing software isn't just as easy as 1,2,3. Well... sometimes it is but if you really want to create something that's useful and adequately stylish it's going to take some time. What's likely is that you'll create your concept art and someone might have the same passion for the concepts that you do and create it for you. Chances are very slim for that though... but post the concepts and let's see what you can come up with. I'm personally writing an integrated system for my fiance using web-services, windows apps and mobile apps so that she can manage her ballet school comfortably. This is a huge project in itself and I get bored really quickly if there isn't anything challenging to figure out.
Always check google... chances are that someone's already created what you're looking for.
Good luck with the catching up and don't be afraid to ask questions. Just also remember that there is unfortunately such a thing as a stupid question so use the search function on the forum as well as google extensively before asking anything.

allusion said:
So keep in mind this is for my Sprint - HTC Touch Pro 2 - Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional
I have noticed not alot of love for the CDMA Phones, and I'm also not sure what type of display my phone is.
I have seen like 4 or 5 different labels for the display types and wondered which mine was.
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You're in the wrong forum, this particular one is for the GSM TP2. For CDMA, you'll find a separate sub-forum. But perhaps the best place for CDMA TP2s is ppcgeeks.com

windows mobile 6.5 professinal
processor: msm7600-528mhz
memory: 185.43mb
expansion slot: in use 8gig
Boost
boost software license version 1.0
freeimage
lua
luabind
opengl
stlport 5.0
rapidxml
simplified wrapper and interface generator (swig)
bstring
OS version 5.2.21889
Manila version 2.5.20121324.1
rom version 2.04.651.4
rom dat 3-6-10
radio version 2.32.00wf
hardware version 0004
prl version 60670
pri version 2.20_003
browser version 6.0
eri version 0
cpu qualcomm(r) 7600
speed 528mhz
ram size 288mb
flash memory size 512mb
data bus 32 bits
storage size 192.93
display resolution 480x800 from htc wvga screen
colors 65536
that is all the info i could find directly on the phone but not sure what i'm suppose to look up on my phone on google
as far as keeping up in general yeah its not hard. but keeping up in depth is another story. like the programing behind the phone, programing behind the computer, what is the latest and greatest in home and car audio, playing all the lastest games, exc.
I mean i can build a computer, install home and car audio, i know i can install apps and install this stuff in time with enough reading, and i keep up with enough gaming for me lol
I just can't keep up in the detail that i want to keep up with and be able to do
i figured there was a reason why the better stuff was a rom flash just wondering why
now when were talking about flashing the rom. are we talking like flashing firmware or bios. or we just saying uploading data into the machine in one large load. and does this flashing also replace the windows os or is that left alone?
oh i'm still going to make a mock setup using my paint.net lol
i'm very sure i will design something that will catch peoples eyes and make them want to make it
I have done that plenty for game mods, some windows stuff, and other things along the way
oh i have been searching google for the past couple weeks and how i came across this site. but mainly was finding little apps were some work and some didn't. but didn't give me the final product i was looking for
and yeah i'm on a few different forms for my game and other stuff so i know how they go. just sucks to see 100s of pages of stuff cause its like a needle in a hay stack sometimes or the person description or wording is not clear for every person
steviewevie said:
You're in the wrong forum, this particular one is for the GSM TP2. For CDMA, you'll find a separate sub-forum. But perhaps the best place for CDMA TP2s is ppcgeeks.com
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and sorry i thought i double checked and didn't see any direct labels for that plus that I saw a few post in here for both gsm and cdma phones, i did see the fully seperate section for the cdma phones but i saw a decent number of people did make for both in here and figured i might get a bigger audience here.
but thanks for the link to the other place i will check there as well
but so far this place has caught my eye the most
so are you stating that i should close this thread and start a new one in the cdma section or am i within reason for keeping this going for a little longer till i'm ready to post my mock in the cdma section instead of here?

oh yeah and how do i figure out if my phone is cdma or gsm
cause i saw in a post that sprint uses both

allusion said:
oh yeah and how do i figure out if my phone is cdma or gsm
cause i saw in a post that sprint uses both
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Yeah the CDMA phones can use both CDMA and GSM. But the important thing is that you need to use CDMA ROMs and CDMA radios. If you flash a GSM ROM by mistake then the phone won't boot, but you can easily flash a CDMA ROM.
However, if you flash a GSM radio by mistake onto a CDMA phone, then you *will* brick it, and there's no way back !
The best way to tell is to check the model number of your phone, under the battery. It will be "RHODxxx", where the "xxx" is three digits. Yours will be RHOD400 or RHOD500, which are the CDMA phones. The GSM ones are RHOD100/200/300 (and variants thereof, e.g. 310).

steviewevie said:
Yeah the CDMA phones can use both CDMA and GSM. But the important thing is that you need to use CDMA ROMs and CDMA radios. If you flash a GSM ROM by mistake then the phone won't boot, but you can easily flash a CDMA ROM.
However, if you flash a GSM radio by mistake onto a CDMA phone, then you *will* brick it, and there's no way back !
The best way to tell is to check the model number of your phone, under the battery. It will be "RHODxxx", where the "xxx" is three digits. Yours will be RHOD400 or RHOD500, which are the CDMA phones. The GSM ones are RHOD100/200/300 (and variants thereof, e.g. 310).
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so yeah my phone is a cdma phone from what your saying there since mine is a rhod400
and great now i got to figure out what the difference is between cdma roms and cdma radios
do i even need to bother with radios or no?
lol you learn one thing and then you find out you still need to learn 10 more things
got to love the spiral effect, stuff slides down hill, never ending loop, or whatever you want to call it, lol

allusion said:
so yeah my phone is a cdma phone from what your saying there since mine is a rhod400
and great now i got to figure out what the difference is between cdma roms and cdma radios
do i even need to bother with radios or no?
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ROMs are the main things running your phone, the operating system and software to operate the main functions.
The radio is the firmware (which also sits in your ROM) which controls the actual radio transmitting/receiving functions - i.e. talking to the cell towers, talking to GPS satellites and (possibly ? can't remember for sure) the Wi-Fi.
So with an updated radio you can sometimes find better reception/battery life/GPS lock. It's easy to experiment flashing different radios because you don't have to backup/restore stuff like you do with ROMs.
Just make sure you flash a CDMA radio to your CDMA phone though, not a GSM one !

alright so basicly i got a bit of research infront of me before i even dare to make any major changes to my phone. blah
how often do people package both the rom and radio together?
and since this is windows, and your saying when you flash the phone it replaces everything, how does microsoft track the os out there or do they not use the os serial key on the phones like they do on the computers?
so in saying this as well i half to make sure whatever rom i do decide to flash to my phone i half to make sure its to a touch pro 2 or i will have problems. if i'm understanding this correctly
i wonder how hard it will be to find guides with alot of pictures?
i never seem to follow just text very well
i have noticed for some of the general things i have picked up from here they had very nice pictorial guides to help me lol
but for the rom back up and flashing i'm noticing pages of pages of text and not much in pictures lol, damn visual bases in learning

If my personal experience is anything to go by, people tend to flash the ROM more often than the radio, because the ROM changes more often, assuming it's a custom/cooked ROM. People tend to stick with a radio which works well for them, when they've compared a few - then if a new one ever comes out it's easy to flash that and see if it's better or worse (or just the same).
MS don't track the OS install like they do with a PC, there's no activation as such. Custom ROMs are often running leaked ROMs from MS anyway, rather than official releases.
When you flash you need to make sure it is for a CDMA TP2, not just for a TP2. Because if you flash GSM stuff by mistake then Bad Things may well happen (which you might be able to recover from, or might just destroy your phone).

any reason people used just the leak roms besides getting an early start
i mean do they ever replace it with a legal version
i'm not a big fan on stolen software. stolen software is part of the reason why items have higher prices, granted most of the price is cause of the manufacturer, but thieves don't help the price lol
now free software is another story that is all good lol

allusion said:
any reason people used just the leak roms besides getting an early start
i mean do they ever replace it with a legal version
i'm not a big fan on stolen software. stolen software is part of the reason why items have higher prices, granted most of the price is cause of the manufacturer, but thieves don't help the price lol
now free software is another story that is all good lol
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If people own the device for which the ROM is intended, then I don't consider it stolen; it is intended for that device, and will be released for that device.
Personally, however, I do not install "leaked" ROMs; they are in development.

stevedebi said:
If people own the device for which the ROM is intended, then I don't consider it stolen; it is intended for that device, and will be released for that device.
Personally, however, I do not install "leaked" ROMs; they are in development.
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Just out of interest, how does that fit with running a ROM based on 24631 (leaked and will never be released for the TP2)?

stevedebi said:
Personally, however, I do not install "leaked" ROMs; they are in development.
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Which leaked ROMs are you referring to ? Because in the past, when ROMs such as T-Mobile and AT&T ones have been leaked, they have actually been the finished article (as proved by comparison with the final published product), just not officially released as yet, hence not actually under further development.

Confusion about all these newly released Roms...

Hi, I'm totally confused with all these new roms being released by multiple people. Do these reap any benefits? are they customized roms? are there new themes or something like the android roms and old WM phone roms? Sorry for the newb-like question, I just wanted to get things straightened out because they SEEM to be like factory ROMs but in diff languages or something?

XxGoKoUxX said:
Hi, I'm totally confused with all these new roms being released by multiple people. Do these reap any benefits? are they customized roms? are there new themes or something like the android roms and old WM phone roms? Sorry for the newb-like question, I just wanted to get things straightened out because they SEEM to be like factory ROMs but in diff languages or something?
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I totaly agree with you... it's extremly confusing. I've got a HD7 from O2 Germany, but I'm on t-mobile. The reception of my O2-HD7 is very poor compared to my old HD2, so I would like to switch from the O2-ROM to HTC-Europe version with the newest radio-ROM.... but those threads are so extremly confusing... I don't realy know what EXACTLY to do... flash this, than falsh that... and after that flash this... ;-)

Their simple. Just put some effort into reading it and less into whinning. Just read
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evolutionqy7 said:
Their simple. Just put some effort into reading it and less into whinning. Just read
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There you go with that whining crack again. WTF is wrong with you? Be more helpful or STFU.

Agree with you guys .. they are confusing that I dont even wanna try
But Yeah I am flash junkie with Android, so many tutorials and so easily done.
Am on O2 UK , but I guess I wait and see what the Official updates bring to us before experimenting with these custom roms.
I so love my BIG HD 7

+1 here.
With WinMo, I could even flash an Android rom and feel comfortable doing it.
With the HD7, just looking at the numbers of schubert roms, I hardly know which one to pick. And if I do pick one, I'm really afraid to even try it. Or if there really is a need to even try it.
But I can understand the enthusiasm of the guys doing the efforts of sharing these roms. It's just that some guys (like myself) are not really that much literate.

And what your doing isnt whining?
There was a point where i looked at it and said **** that. Too much crap there.
But once i sat down and read it properly. It was easy.

I somewhat agree with evolution, they are not difficult to understand if you take your time.
Nevertheless, I think fear & lack of knowledge/experience prevents most people from actually trying them or even bothering to read the whole thing, especially ao for people who have not done this before, I can see how it gets confusing.
I think well organized and newb-friendly threads will definitely make them very popular very quickly..

yeah yeah yeah, read this read that..... all i see on these threads is flash this to get 02UK whatever.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=876451
I dont see them writing the purpose to flashing these ROMs, you must be confused with my question about "how to flash" vs "the purpose of flashing"
I mean, in the android forums, or the older winmo forums, u can see that they flashed the phone to get some new flashy OS's or to fix out old bugs.

I'm with Goku here. I think it would help people to know what to expect when they flash a rom. Say "if you flash THIS you'll get THESE; 1.), 2.), etc.."
From that list it's like, "flash this rom & find out for yourselves what it'll do to your device." Or if this is the case, at least let it say it is.

all people are getting is updated firmware and radio ware.
Its not custom or anything its just updated software.

Thank you evo =]
One more question, what are the advantages to these updated firmwares and radio's?

Firmware update from HTC and a new Radio.
Theres only a few firmware roms. Most of them just have different radios for you to choose.
The latest O2 Rom i have now has weaker reception but reasonably better battery life than with the stock one.
As i said these roms contain the exact stuff as your one that came from the factory only with different firmware and radio. Radio is the main difference. Other than that i didnt see any performance improvements or anything.

ty evo, that clears up a lot =]
so radio's change signal settings with your provider, correct?

Well finaly someone is making sense,lol .
I was lost too, glad i didnt flash my phone .

One thing this dose not say are these offical so called ROM's Firmware what ever there called
can I flash the phone and use it as if I had it out of the shop, in other words can I play games and buy appllications (NOT JAILBROKE)

ERROR [206] : CONNECTION
The Update Utility cannot connect to your PDA Phone. Please cheack that your USB cradle/cable is connected properly between the PC and your PDA Phone.
Check the following:
1. The PDA Phone is connected to the USB cradle/cable.
2. the USB cradle/cable is connected to the PC.
Click 'EXIT' to quit

when they talk about "ActiveSync" are they talking about Zune?
or are they talking about "Windows 7 Active Sync"

Check this thread out, it might help you out a bit.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-903769.html

sirandrew said:
Check this thread out, it might help you out a bit.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-903769.html
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Ok thanks
So Active Sync is only done when holding down these two buttons
Phone Off
Volume Down Button
Power Button
what one do I need to download to have no branding on it at all I rebranded as telstra who ever they are :S
would like unbraded, think im downloading HTC EU atm