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[Q] Is Android 2.2 on galaxy like Nexus one? (because of Nexus CPU type)

Hi guys..
I sad Google developed 2.2 to improve snapdragon cpu and becuase of that the benchmarks shows 3X faster cpu on nexus,
will work 2.2 on galaxy like nexus ? or not for SGS cpu!
at all what you think about power of CPU/GPU in SGS on 2.2 ?
Is nexus cpu better than galaxy on Android 2.2 ?

The Galaxy's CPU/GPU is the best on the market right now and with 2.2 it should fix a lot of software problems with the SGS.

Actually can't wait for 2.2, and it's released around about my birthday!

When is your birthday

22nd September mate. You can buy me a Galaxy S as a spare if you want

well I have to see it first.
Guess Samsung finds a way to **** up the phone again i'm sure of that.

matty___ said:
well I have to see it first.
Guess Samsung finds a way to **** up the phone again i'm sure of that.
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If it has rfs file format and TouchWiz, consider it ****ed up.

kgk888 said:
If it has rfs file format and TouchWiz, consider it ****ed up.
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If froyo on the SGS sucks, then the chefs in here will cut it open and make it run properly and it won't matter what the FW was like when samsung sent it out. Also, TouchWiz is fine, even if it does have a dumb name.

I have been worried about this. The sgs line and droid line do not get over 15 in linpack with 2.2. I dont see the same increase in speed as I do with snapdragon based phones. I have read this is due to the snapdragon having 128 bit vs 64 bit something but cant find the forum post about this. The sgs line with 2.1 is still faster then a 2.2 snapdragon based phone but it must have the lag fix installed. Without the lag fix it is slower for sure. I will try to find the forum post about 128bit vs 64bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKsAUR61ByM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji49qFNxC4c
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Originally Posted by Gimic26
Your question was answered already...it comes down to processor architecture. Qualcomm's Snapdragon platform and more specifically the Scorpion application processor, while being related to TI's Omap Arm series, has enhancements made by Qualcomm. The part of the cpu that handles the SIMD instructions has a wider pipeline, 128 bits vs 64 bits in TI's Omap. Scorpion also has a deeper pipeline to better handle all that data which I'd assume offsets some of the performance benefits a little bit.
As far as the difference between the two benchmarks, they are written to benchmark two different things. Linpack can run almost entirely within the SIMD/NEON portion of the cpu thereby showing off the enhancements made by Qualcomm. Quadrant stresses the entire core showing off total system performance showing that only in certain situations will Snapdragon outperform any other Arm based core.

shep211 said:
I have been worried about this. The sgs line and droid line do not get over 15 in linpack with 2.2. I dont see the same increase in speed as I do with snapdragon based phones. I have read this is due to the snapdragon having 128 bit vs 64 bit something but cant find the forum post about this. The sgs line with 2.1 is still faster then a 2.2 snapdragon based phone but it must have the lag fix installed. Without the lag fix it is slower for sure. I will try to find the forum post about 128bit vs 64bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKsAUR61ByM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji49qFNxC4c
Edit: found the forum post
Originally Posted by Gimic26
Your question was answered already...it comes down to processor architecture. Qualcomm's Snapdragon platform and more specifically the Scorpion application processor, while being related to TI's Omap Arm series, has enhancements made by Qualcomm. The part of the cpu that handles the SIMD instructions has a wider pipeline, 128 bits vs 64 bits in TI's Omap. Scorpion also has a deeper pipeline to better handle all that data which I'd assume offsets some of the performance benefits a little bit.
As far as the difference between the two benchmarks, they are written to benchmark two different things. Linpack can run almost entirely within the SIMD/NEON portion of the cpu thereby showing off the enhancements made by Qualcomm. Quadrant stresses the entire core showing off total system performance showing that only in certain situations will Snapdragon outperform any other Arm based core.
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From what I've seen and read, the 2.2 builds for the Galaxy S do NOT have a JIT compiler enabled which explains the lower scores. The N1 got the huge CPU boost from having JIT enabled. That doesn't explain the Droid X's scores, but then again I haven't read enough about 2.2 running on the DX to see if it has JIT installed.

What're you think? I'll buy SGS 2.1 or wait for SGS 2.2 ?
It's very important to buy most powerfull phone.
I like Nexuse cus it's tested sucssasfuly in Android 2.2 and I'm gono love SGS if it will be better than nexus in 2.2.
Help me to choose better path )

Vogie said:
What're you think? I'll buy SGS 2.1 or wait for SGS 2.2 ?
It's very important to buy most powerfull phone.
I like Nexuse cus it's tested sucssasfuly in Android 2.2 and I'm gono love SGS if it will be better than nexus in 2.2.
Help me to choose better path )
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I would wait at this time before purchasing an SGS if that's your concern.
Out of the box, the current phone/software is laggy and disappointing. If you're willing to hack it with some of the various fixes found here (I prefer samset with mimocan kernel), then you won't be unhappy with the phone, but there's no guarantee that Samsung will get FroYo right, and that if they do get it wrong that the devs here will be able to bring you a hot, non-laggy, super FroYo ROM before there's better, or at least comparable hardware done right by the manufacturer available.
That's no reflection on the devs here at all, I'm just thinking that Samsung won't release the firmware until the end of September, the devs will need a couple of weeks to make magic at least, and so now we're well into October. By October, the SGS will be a six month old phone. Six months is a very long time in the Android hardware world, and we'll likely see a landslide of new phones with faster CPU, maybe even dual-cores in the fall for the holiday season. The only thing the SGS will have over other phones at that point is the Super AMOLED screen by Samsung, since they're holding it all to themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if Moto or HTC try to kang the iPhone display tech for newer models if they can't get Super AMOLED for themselves.

In the android world it is nearly impossible to but a device that won't be out of date within at most a year and sometimes within 6 months.
Having said that, I don't see anything that will topple the sgs quite that soon. Although there is talk of dual core snap dragons, there has been nothing announced yet, and indeed the two new Desire handsets are still on the same chip.
I wouldn't expect to see anything that will have more raw power than the sgs until at least mid 2011. If there was anything closer than that it'd already be getting hyped.
If you keep looking at what is just over the horizon then you won't end up ever getting one, because there always seems to be something new out in a few months time. The sgs isn't prefect, but it beats the hell it of most anything that you'll be able to buy this year.
My humble opinion of course, but I think that if you want top end hardware, the sgs will serve you very well.
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Based on your responses so far, I'd just get an iPhone 4 and be done with it.
There are a lot of people here and elsewhere who are perfectly happy with the device. I for one haven't installed the lag fix and I don't experience any lags, except for the situations below:
1. I'm trying to do something while there are several apps being installed/downloaded from the marketplace in the background. I think this will be resolved with the dualcore next gen CPU's.
2. Using LauncherPro, for all that is good and nice on this earth, I do not know why it took me 3 months before the option to change the shortcut on its drawer was shown to me. Imagine that, 3 months just to show the option to add a shortcut. Jeezus. I click on add shortcut and it took 3 months. Someone shoot me. I'm using ADW now and am very happy.
Out of sheer curiosity, why is it that you need "THE MOST POWERFUL PHONE"?

shep211 said:
As far as the difference between the two benchmarks, they are written to benchmark two different things. Linpack can run almost entirely within the SIMD/NEON portion of the cpu thereby showing off the enhancements made by Qualcomm. Quadrant stresses the entire core showing off total system performance showing that only in certain situations will Snapdragon outperform any other Arm based core.
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The hummingbird core is widely recognized to be faster than the snapdragon core. Benchmarks do not tell you everything. Reference:
You might think that the Hummingbird doesn’t stand a chance against Qualcomm’s custom-built monster, but Samsung isn’t prepared to throw in the towel. In response to Snapdragon, they hired Intrinsity, a semiconductor company specializing in tweaking processor logic design, to customize the Cortex-A8 in the Hummingbird to perform certain binary functions using significantly less instructions than normal. Samsung estimates that 20% of the Hummingbird’s functions are affected, and of those, on average 25-50% less instructions are needed to complete each task. Overall, the processor can perform tasks 5-10% more quickly while handling the same 2 instructions per clock cycle as an unmodified ARM Cortex-A8 processor, and Samsung states it outperforms all other processors on the market (a statement seemingly aimed at Qualcomm).
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Here is a GPU comparison for some of the leading smartphones:
Motorola Droid: TI OMAP3430 with PowerVR SGX530 = 7-14 million(?) triangles/sec
Nexus One: Qualcomm QSD8x50 with Adreno 200 = 22 million triangles/sec
iPhone 3G S: 600 MHz Cortex-A8 with PowerVR SGX535 = 28 7 million triangles/sec
Samsung Galaxy S: S5PC110 with PowerVR SGX540 = 90 million triangles/sec
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Wait for G2 as nexus one is old news and i think they are winding down production. Frankly i love my sgs. Get it now cos frankly froyo is way over hyped compared to what sgs can do now with a lagfix
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ickyboo said:
Wait for G2 as nexus one is old news and i think they are winding down production. Frankly i love my sgs. Get it now cos frankly froyo is way over hyped compared to what sgs can do now with a lagfix
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You can't really say froyo is over hyped, I mean its free, and beyond that its an incremental upgrade.
I don't see why anyone would be staying on eclair once official froyo drops, and you can't deny that it will bring a performance boost.
Now I doubt it will bring quite as much of a boost as it gave to the N1 until we get a few months of development to really get it running sweetly, but all the same its still not over hyped if I ask me.
With optimized ROMs and whatever fixes we need (cuz samsung WILL break something) I figure the sgs will shred the N1's new scores. I recon we'll see around 3k in quadrant.
Considering how far ahead of almost everything a lag fixed non-stock-rom sgs is now, we'll see something really special once froyo starts rocking our crotches.
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The.Opethian said:
Based on your responses so far, I'd just get an iPhone 4 and be done with it.
There are a lot of people here and elsewhere who are perfectly happy with the device. I for one haven't installed the lag fix and I don't experience any lags, except for the situations below:
1. I'm trying to do something while there are several apps being installed/downloaded from the marketplace in the background. I think this will be resolved with the dualcore next gen CPU's.
2. Using LauncherPro, for all that is good and nice on this earth, I do not know why it took me 3 months before the option to change the shortcut on its drawer was shown to me. Imagine that, 3 months just to show the option to add a shortcut. Jeezus. I click on add shortcut and it took 3 months. Someone shoot me. I'm using ADW now and am very happy.
Out of sheer curiosity, why is it that you need "THE MOST POWERFUL PHONE"?
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Why powerfull phone? ok i'll tell u:
Because I don't like to buy an expensive phone (like SGS) that power is lesser than a chipper phone (like N1) !
Because I'd rather a phone without stalling (lagging) to play games and running big applications. I will very gray if i'll se lagging/stalling...
Because I need a phone with a good support (it's enough, don't need mazing support). a phone with a clear (alive or nice) Future

JIT for Hummingbird should be promising.

High Mem
anyone got any idea on the high mem issue?... when i was browsing the Gmarket.com, i realize 305 total available memory is not enough for me... and the web page just closed....

Do Windows Phone 7 devices need to be multi-core?

The debate is raging and is splitting the community in 2...
So I thought lets have a poll.
Let's be honest, even with a single core, WP7 devices DON'T lag. But just because having multi-core becoming a fashion statement, do WE need it?

Only spec whores care about dual core and overclocking...I've had this since December 2010, I don't get lags..WP doesn't need it...yet.
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i believe, in fact, that is a consumer gimmick.
consumers are 'bred' to think, "the bigger, the better."
and a dual-core is better than a single-core.
just isn't necessary for WP7 like it is with the fragmented Android.
so, yeah, it is all about the specs.

sh4d0w86 said:
i believe, in fact, that is a consumer gimmick.
consumers are 'bred' to think, "the bigger, the better."
and a dual-core is better than a single-core.
just isn't necessary for WP7 like it is with the fragmented Android.
so, yeah, it is all about the specs.
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I agree...the fact about dual core processors is this - a dual core processor is just half the job done. You applications need to RECOGNIZE the other damn processor and make use of it. (1 example is the Safari for iPhone 4S that recognizes the dual core chipset and makes optimum use of it.)

Windows phone don't need dual core to run apps casue thats how its built.
Microsoft is very good with support for old hardware like you can run windows 7 on an old pentium 4 pc which is good that unlike android almost all windows phones will get newer updates as they are rolled out.
Also remember Nokia is aiming for the budget phone customers as It admitted long ago that the Higher end phone market has too much competition for it while the lower end is still a strong point for nokia, hence their partnership with MS makes sense.
And keeping costs low will help both Nokia and MS to crack the phone market a bit more

Please remember the famous Bill Gates quote...
"who would ever need more than 256kb of RAM?" ( not a direct quote, blame my memory )
The OS in the current state doesn't need that obviously, it works flawlessly. But dual-core gives us space for improvement - both in the OS and apps. So...it's not necessary, but i wouldn't go as far as to say it's not needed.
But still, we don't need to put dual-core chips in every Windows Phone. A wide range of prices, equipment etc. is definitely a perk.

What's to debate?
Do current Windows phones have multiple cores? No.
Do they work? Yes.
Case closed. On to the next thread...

My answer, Why not!? If it can be done without negatively affecting functionality, the technology should push forward leading to more opportunities for developers.

DoogieDC said:
What's to debate?
Do current Windows phones have multiple cores? No.
Do they work? Yes.
Case closed. On to the next thread...
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No. Case is not closed. Right now, even Mango phones do not support dual core processors. That is the main reason why HTC is still using single core processor in its flagship windows phone (Titan / Ultimate).
Multi core support will come with Apollo update.

2+ Core Phones, Do we need them?

Since MWC is around the corner and Companies are already making announcements I ranted a bit about MultiCore phones. So like the Title says..
What do You think... Do Phones really need to have 2-4-6-8 cores?
My 2cents
To me the need for even two cores still seems over powered. My big complaint is that manufactures just want to ONE up the competition and add more and more even though it wouldn't be fully utilized by anyone in the foreseeable future.
For example. All these companies are slapping MultiCore phones and adding more ram and they aren't even really optimizing their software for the additional cores. It was android and it finally added MultiCore support with ICS, but companies were and still are releasing phones with 2cores running Froyo, Gingerbread that won't see ICS ever if not for devoted developers to Port it.
To me you can have the most fancy OS with all the Eye Candy you can think off and have it run off a Single(One) Core Processor just fine with no lag and 768MB of RAM and still have enough left for background apps if you focus on making your software efficient and optimized for that ONE core.
Look at WP7 sure its UI was over simplified, but it runs just fine with ONE core and 512MB of ram. And I've seen some very impressive Games run just fine on those phones. Unrelated to phones but look at how Windows (Desktop) handles RAM. Right now with just Chrome open with two tabs its using up 2GB of ram and this is a clean install. I just formatted my HDD and installed Chrome and updated to SP1 so there is no program prefetched. Ubuntu on this computer with just Chrome open only uses up 256-300MB of RAM because it was optimized for low ram machines. OSX86 SL on this computer only uses about about 300-500MB of ram.
So in the end all these multicore phones are doing is using up battery life to feed all these cores when the software hasn't been optimized for it. Now some processors shut off the additional cores when they aren't needed but even then only Games/apps that are aware of those cores will ever really use them.
Companies as they add more RAM and more cores add along with it bugged down crappy software and that just kills the purpose of all that power.
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There needs to be another high end mobile OS entering the market along with developers building more CPU demanding apps. That's the problem with android, its not universal like ios. And I don't want a apple vs android argument
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I think they needs to focus on the CPU speed rather then cores. I'd rather have a dual core phone running at 3.5ghz then a quad core running at 1.2
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What I think a company should do is focus on
Software > Battery > CPU/RAM
Because if you make you software RIGHT and perfect it then right from the get go you will notice huge performance with a single dual core processor.
Just imagine HTC sense with the speed of stock ICS on the Gnex or any other phone with Dual Core 1GB ram!
If companies like HTC focused on improving their UI with performance in mind, CPU makers at the same time will evolve and develop better smaller processors and will be cheaper then making a monster out of a phone only to cage it with half as UI's that suck.... Cuz we all know that a Single Core 1Ghz processor from today beats the crap out of a similar spec one from early 2000's
I dislike Apple but i gotta give them credit for focusing on iOS more then the actual iPhone.. If Android makers did the same and improved their crapware we wouldn't call it that.

I heard the multiple cores end up saving battery, especially in regards to the Tegra 3 because it has the companion core to take care of easy tasks like email syncing while the screen is off or whatever. The extra cores kick in when they're needed too, they're not constantly running when there's nothing going on. Most of the time, the extra ones are offline (see screenshots below).
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Do we really need hexacore computers? Even though most software doesn't really benefit from them? The majority of computer games rarely put more than 2 cores to any worthy use, the OS runs quite the same with 2 or 4 cores in general and for the most part only intensive applications even benefit from it at all (photo, video, CAD, 3D and so on). We still get them though, and often enough they don't use excessively more power than the previous generation with smaller, more efficient technology. Also, try running your ubuntu setup with an 800x480 res and a comparatively weak single 1ghz, 512mb shared ram setup. It'll struggle for air.
It is good to move into this realm with phones. Play around with a Galaxy S, then with a Galaxy S 2 - both in their pure touchwiz form. The S 2 simply blows away the original. Virtually no performance hitches throughout any usage you can imagine, and this is just an upgrade from single to dual core. New designs don't use any more power than predecessors, and often save power as described above. 4 active cores when needed (completely shut off when inactive), and a seperate low-power single core when there is something basic? Genius.
I'm all for phones with as many cores as they fit, as long as the designs of tomorrow are like the designs of today. I don't see any reason why they won't be, so what's the harm?

i dont think we need 2+ cores
my nexus s out performs most dual core phone when i had it on stock 4.0.3 @ 1ghz
not im on a custom rom @ 1.4ghz... its even better

qaz2453 said:
i dont think we need 2+ cores
my nexus s out performs most dual core phone when i had it on stock 4.0.3 @ 1ghz
not im on a custom rom @ 1.4ghz... its even better
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No offence but I really don't think it will, maybe at benchmarking because that's not really a full test of speed.

Dual cores and 1.5ghz seems like all we need...
I am running 1ghz on my epic4g with a nice rom and i never really have complaints about the single core and the 1ghz it always works.
Dual core would satisfy my needs

sensation lover said:
No offence but I really don't think it will, maybe at benchmarking because that's not really a full test of speed.
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The Nexus S routinely beats SOME dual core phones with the right kernel and ROM. I should know, I have one. That phone with Trinity kernel is a beast.
Wasn't me!! I didn't do it!

The more the merrier!
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For a long time i agreed with you completely, thinking more than two cores was fairly unnecessary, but after having recently looked into Ubuntu for Android and the Webtop application in the motorola atrix, i thought if our phones our powerful enough (4 or so cores), rather than have that power needlessly sitting there have our phones be able to run full desktop OS's. Ubuntu seems like the key candidate here, as i did enjoy my brief stint on there.
So too many cores does seem unnecessary just to one up the competition, but if we use that power to have a phone and desktop computer in one, then i am all for it!

qaz2453 said:
i dont think we need 2+ cores
my nexus s out performs most dual core phone when i had it on stock 4.0.3 @ 1ghz
not im on a custom rom @ 1.4ghz... its even better
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No, it gets a higher score in a benchmark that literally measures the frequency. I have a Nexus S and no matter how much i OC it doesn't compare to something like an SGS2.
Zorigo said:
For a long time i agreed with you completely, thinking more than two cores was fairly unnecessary, but after having recently looked into Ubuntu for Android and the Webtop application in the motorola atrix, i thought if our phones our powerful enough (4 or so cores), rather than have that power needlessly sitting there have our phones be able to run full desktop OS's. Ubuntu seems like the key candidate here, as i did enjoy my brief stint on there.
So too many cores does seem unnecessary just to one up the competition, but if we use that power to have a phone and desktop computer in one, then i am all for it!
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I agree with this entirely. Android, in its current state, is a Phone OS. In time I hope to see it gain many Desktop OS attributes, and right now we can already see Desktop OSes run on the phones. There is no reason to turn Android into one, but more processor power means we can turn our phones into a mini-computer worth using at a whim.
Unlike what seems to have happened with the iPhone 4S, the android dual cores don't guzzle through the battery like no tomorrow. Battery technology in it's current state is also limited. You want more mAh? Buy a bigger battery. Anything else is more often than not just a scam.

I think not nessesary in more cores.Simply stupid marketing to get your money.

Give me more ram, give me more cores, give me a decent screen, USB host and native Ubuntu... That way
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Give me more batary life.

animal-on said:
Give me more batary life.
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Indeed, instead of making the specifications better, they should focus on improving the battery live. Really, 1 day is horse**** compared to the Nokia phones in the early 2000's..

My two cents:
I recently upgraded from a MyTouch 3G Slide to a MyTouch 4G Slide... going from a 600MHz MSM7227 Qualcomm proc to a 1.2GHz MSM8260 Dual-core SnapDragon.
Now aside from the obvious bump in speed, what impressed me the most was improved battery efficiency - partly from the proc, partly from Android improvements. From what I have seen of the new Tegra 3 SoC, it basically has four system cores and one battery saver core, that runs with minimal draw when the phone is idling.
As with PC procs, I think we'll see near future software and operating systems that are able to make greater use of multi-core setups, while saving battery life.
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Here's a better question:
Why are hardware manufacturers so stingy with RAM and ROM!?
I can't believe that HTC or Samsung or Nokia would pay all that much more for 512MB of RAM as they would 2GB of RAM, right?
It just annoys me that we still have current onboard memory restrictions with so many devices in 2012

It's simple.If manufecturers will equip devices so fast of big memory,2 Gb for example,not so many people will buy new phone or tab.They will be waiting,because it's devices will works very fine with any apps.

I don't think people need all these extra cores, the only reason people think they do, is because stupid interfaces slowing the sh!+ out of their phones, if companies start concentrating on simpler UI, the need for all this RAM and CPU power will be gone, it's all part of the marketing plan, make things slower, tell people they need more cores, sell expensive phones and profit like a boss

Swiching To Lumia 800?

Somebody offered me a nokia lumia 800. Should i accept it? I mean it has 1.5GHz Qualcomm single-core processor and everithing else like the o 2X has exept the 5mp camera. What Do You THink?

Lumia has a 1,4Ghz CPU. And it's running WP7.5 :laugh: :laugh:
Lumia 800 has a slightly smaller screen (3.7 inches) than Optimus 2x (4.0 inches).
And where did you read that Optimus 2x has a 5 mp camera?
But honestly, I'd recommend you to stick with O2X, at least until we get a stable CM10 (if you're rooted) or the official ICS update rolls out

vanmarek said:
Lumia has a 1,4Ghz CPU. And it's running WP7.5 :laugh: :laugh:
Lumia 800 has a slightly smaller screen (3.7 inches) than Optimus 2x (4.0 inches).
And where did you read that Optimus 2x has a 5 mp camera?
But honestly, I'd recommend you to stick with O2X, at least until we get a stable CM10 (if you're rooted) or the official ICS update rolls out
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I reffered to the lumia 800 that it has 5megapixel camera not the o2x.....and what is the problem with the 7.5 os? the cpu is fine it is 1.5GHz and it is qualcomm why it is the o2x better? just because it has dualcore....I don't really like it beacause the games are not running in hd like asphalt 7 or nfs most wanted....and yes I have installed cm10 nightly and the phone is much more powerfull and fast smooth etc.....but i want gaming on the phone and I prefer windows phone os han android

ilooze said:
I reffered to the lumia 800 that it has 5megapixel camera not the o2x.....and what is the problem with the 7.5 os? the cpu is fine it is 1.5GHz and it is qualcomm why it is the o2x better? just because it has dualcore....I don't really like it beacause the games are not running in hd like asphalt 7 or nfs most wanted....and yes I have installed cm10 nightly and the phone is much more powerfull and fast smooth etc.....but i want gaming on the phone and I prefer windows phone os han android
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It looked as if you meant that the O2x had an 5mp camera, but anyway, who told you the Lumia 800 has an 5mp camera and 1.5Ghz CPU?
Full specs:
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_800-4240.php
As for the gaming, it's pretty much up to you. You're the one supposed to enjoy it so you should decide on that matter

vanmarek said:
It looked as if you meant that the O2x had an 5mp camera, but anyway, who told you the Lumia 800 has an 5mp camera and 1.5Ghz CPU?
Full specs:
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_800-4240.php
As for the gaming, it's pretty much up to you. You're the one supposed to enjoy it so you should decide on that matter
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ohhhh:laugh: first of all excuse me ) I readed the specs but i dont know why i wrote there 5mp camera and 1.5ghz sorry really sorry ) ......So the lumia has 8mp like the o2x better display the pixel density is bigger and it has Nokia ClearBlack display and qualcomm cpu.....I don't think that the lumia 800 is worse than the o2x the differences are the cpu, os and battery...do you think that the lumia is worse than o2x? and thank you for your answers

windows phone as i read a little in google lumia or windows phone is like apple that doesn't share their codes so this is a locked phone like apple they can't share files via bluetooth with other smartphone brand it's windows to windows only

grimmyrippy said:
windows phone as i read a little in google lumia or windows phone is like apple that doesn't share their codes so this is a locked phone like apple they can't share files via bluetooth with other smartphone brand it's windows to windows only
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this doesn't matter.....I didn't used the bluetooth so much so this thing will not affect me

ilooze said:
this doesn't matter.....I didn't used the bluetooth so much so this thing will not affect me
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It's not just the Bluetooth - the complete lack of an accessible file system in WP7.5 (and probably Wp7.8) means that you can't transfer files between a PC and the phone unless the PC has Zune installed (a la iTunes). And if you want to transfer files off the phone to a computer you don't own, and you can't install Zune on it, you're SOL. And if you want to connect the phone by USB to most stereos, the stereo won't be able to read the music files. This is a huge flaw that even BB7 and Symbian lack.
in other words, if you use your phone like a flash drive, avoid both WP and iOS like the plague.
WP8 Apollo addressed this flaw, with full UMS support, so if you're dead set on a Windows Phone, I'd recommend going for a WP8 model.
On a side note, the presence of an accessible file system in WP8 bumped it from a "fat chance" to a "maybe" on my future purchase list. While it's not as open as I'd like, I respect the fact that WP is somewhat "unified" in that OEMs aren't allowed to put awful skins on it, and that the specs are somewhat constant across the board which makes updates easier to optimize for a wide range of devices. If Android were to do this, it'd really be perfect.

I like lumia but i cant buy because have no money. Or else you gonna gave me free lols. Thanks if there someone gave is.
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ilooze, ask yourself this; what do I want that the O2X don't have? You know, just don't think of it as a phone LG made, but rather something that the developers on this forum extended to a point that LG isn't needed.
Use common sense and you'll realize that the O2X has pretty much everything you need from a phone.

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ilooze, ask yourself this; what do I want that the O2X don't have? You know, just don't think of it as a phone LG made, but rather something that the developers on this forum extended to a point that LG isn't needed.
Use common sense and you'll realize that the O2X has pretty much everything you need from a phone.
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well...it has the nokia clearblack screen the 1.5ghz qualcomm processor...the os....the design....and better support...I know that this device wont get wp8 but anyway it is more supported than our o2x by LG not by xda-developers

I don't think it's a good idea to switch ,Windows phone is ios like ,VERY closed ,you can't do all the tweaks you can made on android ,you can't use your phone the way you like ,you can't use it as a standard Mass storage , the following of Nokia/LG will be the same ,the lumia is stuck to 7.8 .....no upgrades......:crying:
and to finish ,the Lg display is quiet good, and go to a smaller screen won't be comfortable fo you :cyclops:

ilooze said:
well...it has the nokia clearblack screen the 1.5ghz qualcomm processor...the os....the design....and better support...I know that this device wont get wp8 but anyway it is more supported than our o2x by LG not by xda-developers
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Official support doesn't matter if the support doesn't deliver functionality.
As of 2012, unmodded Android 2.2 (or even 2.1) is far more capable than WP7.8, and definitely stomps any version of iOS. Yes, it's nice that even the iPhone 3GS receives at least part of the iOS 6 update. But if that update doesn't bring its capabilities in line with the two-year-old Froyo, then what's the point?
Yes, the Lumia has awesome hardware and aesthetics, and if the aesthetics are a big selling point for you, fair enough.
Another caveat to watch out for - with WP7.5 and probably 7.8, the multitasking implementation is TERRIBLE. Their method of hibernating apps means that 3rd party apps that use push notifications are unable to function properly - you need to keep reopening the app every few hours to prevent it from "deep sleeping" and thus being completely unable to receive notifications. So if you open whatsapp once, then close it for a day or so without reopening it, any new messages you get after will never be received until you reopen the app manually. To be fair this method allows for good battery life and prevents the phone from lagging, but for those who rely on IMing this is unacceptable.
In other words, if you're a heavy user of Whatsapp, Google Talk, Facebook chat, etc then even Blackberry 7 is a better platform than WP. I did read that WP8 has proper multitasking so the problem may be solved there, but hey, it ain't coming to the old Lumias.
You don't have to be a "power user" (i.e. the kind who likes flashing custom ROMs) to benefit from the openness of Android vs WP or iOS. The issues of an inaccessible file system and poor multitasking affect everyone, not just us CM-obsessed types.
Btw, here's something ironic: Microsoft designed the Sync infotainment system in my car, which can read music off a USB device if the device is either Apple or it has an accessible file system. The only smartphone OS that can't connect via USB happens to be WP7, made by Microsoft.
edit: I hope you don't think I'm trying to badmouth WP as the devil... I acknowledge it has its strengths, and anyone who's comfortable with iOS, will be right at home with WP. However, someone who's used Android custom ROMs, is probably a different demographic and I'm just pointing out that WP isn't exactly suited for it, even less so than BlackBerry.

And old lumia after 1 update microsoft drop their support for it but in xda as long as their is important codes release by RC it keeps evolving and stabilizing, microsoft only support now for the new lumia 900 and the lumia in the future but the old ones? Never mind
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Remember, it's not just getting updates that's important, it's what comes in the updates that also matters. Ask yourself - that iPhone 3GS may have "excellent" update support, but do those updates actually make the phone better than android?

Performance of last year WP devices?

Considering the availability of snapdragon 800 devices (such as Lumia 1520), is a device like Lumia 920 (or HTC 8x) still powerful enough to handle all games and apps?
I'm thinking of getting a secondary windows phone. I wonder how last year's devices perform these days.

Right now? Easily. The high-end launch devices (Lumia 92x, HTC 8X, Samsung ATIV S) are still plenty powerful for all apps on the market. The newest high-end phones are definitely more powerful, but aside from maybe a short reduction in loading times and faster bootup, plus of course better performance in JavaScript and so on, it shouldn't be a problem. Apps are pretty much required to run well even on 1GHz dual-core CPUs, like the mid-to-low-range phones have; 1.5GHz dual-core (like the high-end launch phones) is plenty.
Now, eventually that will no longer be the case, and the launch phones will go obsolete before the new ones. But the high-end launch phones will probably last longer than the low-end ones of the new generation anyhow, and the low-end launch ones will be the first to go. Microsoft will want to avoid that happening for as long as possible, so you should be good for a while.

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Right now? Easily. The high-end launch devices (Lumia 92x, HTC 8X, Samsung ATIV S) are still plenty powerful for all apps on the market. The newest high-end phones are definitely more powerful, but aside from maybe a short reduction in loading times and faster bootup, plus of course better performance in JavaScript and so on, it shouldn't be a problem. Apps are pretty much required to run well even on 1GHz dual-core CPUs, like the mid-to-low-range phones have; 1.5GHz dual-core (like the high-end launch phones) is plenty.
Now, eventually that will no longer be the case, and the launch phones will go obsolete before the new ones. But the high-end launch phones will probably last longer than the low-end ones of the new generation anyhow, and the low-end launch ones will be the first to go. Microsoft will want to avoid that happening for as long as possible, so you should be good for a while.
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Thanks for such a detailed and helpful response. Much appreciated!
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You're welcome! There's other concerns besides the raw CPU power to consider, of course, such as the 1520 having a 1920x1080 resolution screen and BT 4.0 with low-energy mode, and newer phones will probably have more RAM and Flash storage as prices per gigabyte for such things continue to fall. Still, I've been very happy with my ATIV S (SGH-T899M) even though it's missing a few things that the newer phones have.
Oh, and while I appreciate the post, there *is* a Thanks button too... Much quicker!

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You're welcome! There's other concerns besides the raw CPU power to consider, of course, such as the 1520 having a 1920x1080 resolution screen and BT 4.0 with low-energy mode, and newer phones will probably have more RAM and Flash storage as prices per gigabyte for such things continue to fall. Still, I've been very happy with my ATIV S (SGH-T899M) even though it's missing a few things that the newer phones have.
Oh, and while I appreciate the post, there *is* a Thanks button too... Much quicker!
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Important things to consider. thanks again! (Thanks button clicked) I have one last question. Do you see any advantages in owning a Phablet Windows Phone device over a Phone?
Does it have any extra functionalities, or anything unique that makes it special aside from having more tiles on the home screen? That's something that I'm really curious about

I don't own one myself, but the only thing that comes to mind is the ability to get a bunch more tiles on the Start screen (three "normal" columns, plus each tile is shorter as well - they're still square, after all - so you get more of them vertically at once). That's a nice feature, one which I enabled (via registry hack) on my ATIV S (at 4.8", it's just below the 5" cutoff for that feature to happen automatically) as soon as I got GDR3. Aside from that, and the phenomenal resolution of the 1520, though, I'm not aware of anything much.

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I don't own one myself, but the only thing that comes to mind is the ability to get a bunch more tiles on the Start screen (three "normal" columns, plus each tile is shorter as well - they're still square, after all - so you get more of them vertically at once). That's a nice feature, one which I enabled (via registry hack) on my ATIV S (at 4.8", it's just below the 5" cutoff for that feature to happen automatically) as soon as I got GDR3. Aside from that, and the phenomenal resolution of the 1520, though, I'm not aware of anything much.
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That's interesting, i didn't know registry hacks for WP8 devices are possible. Can it be done for all devices with GDR3?
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Nope, I'm afraid they're still limited to Samsung's WP8 lineup. Check the interop-unlocks thread in my sig for more info.

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Nope, I'm afraid they're still limited to Samsung's WP8 lineup. Check the interop-unlocks thread in my sig for more info.
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Then i may end up buying the Ativ S. Thanks man, I learned a lot from you. XDA needs more guys like you
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Well, we're still looking for unlocks in other lines (Lumias especially, given their popularity, but others too). You really can't give timelines on that kind of thing, though, and Samsung is already trying to break the one we have.