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Here are my computer's specs:
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/...4322&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en&jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN
Only difference is that it's been upgraded to 4Gb of RAM.
My issue is this: My cpu cooling fan recently died and my comp has been overheating and shutting down. Under load it's been as high as 97*C before shutdown. Obviously I need a new fan but getting THAT hot has to be bad for the CPU so I might as well upgrade while I'm in there. I was just told by HP support that my motherboard (Narra2-GL8E) will only handle CPUs from 45W to 65W. I was really hoping to upgrade to amd 64 x2 6400+ processor but according to them it would be wayyy too much for the motherboard. I'm operating under the assumption that the rep was full o' **** and feeding me some standardized response so as not to encourage me to do something that *could* possibly be damaging to my pc.
My question is what's the best processor can I realistically upgrade to with my current set-up??
I've got the Pavilion Elite m9402f, almost exact same specs, except it has 7GB of RAM, and runs at 2.3GHz. Watch that GPU, it sucks! Seems like the NVIDIA card isn't supplied with enough power. It prob isn't the reason for the overheating, but if you use any graphic-intensive apps/games, it may not help the issue.
Believe it or not, but the HP rep may have been correct. Your motherboard won't support CPU's with the designation AM2+. When AMD released the AM2+ CPU's, they intended them to be backwards compatible with existing AM2 motherboards. However, most manufacturers have refused to release the BIOS updates to allow this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_AM2+
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01080282&lc=en&cc=ca&dlc=en&product=3445425
The 6400 is a special CPU that actually should have been released for the AM2+. But since the HT speed is the same as your stock processor, the wattage won't matter. I will warn you, the 6400 has been known to have severe overheating issues. You'll likely spend a good chunk in a high quality heatsink/fan for the processor.
The HP site doesn't list a PSU. What is the rating on yours? That may be what the rep was referring to... I couldn't imagine HP building a machine with more than enough wattage for the internal components. Usually PC Manufacturers cut those things pretty close to keep costs down.
I ended up deciding to err on the side of caution and bought an x2 5600+ processor to throw in there. My power supply is only 250W and that's definitely on the list of things to replace. Gonna need a better power supply to put a half decent GPU in there. Going to install the new CPU and heatsink/fan tomorrow and see if that doesn't help. I have a feeling there are other issues though...to be continued..?
**As a confusing little edit to the situation..upon closer inspection it turns out that the cpu fan IS actually working. So now I'm even more lost. It's understandable to run hot with no fan..but with a fully functional fan?!**
Hi all,
I wonder if there is any possibility to change the prosessor of the X2 for a faster one. If there is somewhere a processor that has the same pin-layout, same size than the one on the x2, then why wouldn't it be possible to unsolder it and swap to an faster one..?
Sorry if this question is stupid, but i have no idea about mobilephone processors... On computers you can swap processors if they fit in the socket, and consume the same amount of power etc..
I'm not so much more a mobilephone processor expert but I doubt it's that easy. In mobilephones those components have to work together I guess. That means some hardware probably needs that qualcomm to work.
Also, I could imagine theres a problem with the heat of faster processor - or is that nonsense?
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Hi all,
I wonder if there is any possibility to change the prosessor of the X2 for a faster one. If there is somewhere a processor that has the same pin-layout, same size than the one on the x2, then why wouldn't it be possible to unsolder it and swap to an faster one..?
Sorry if this question is stupid, but i have no idea about mobilephone processors... On computers you can swap processors if they fit in the socket, and consume the same amount of power etc..
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It's a great question; I also wish it were possible. But mobile phone processors have various complexities such as a separate processor for various functions like phone or graphics. The only possibility would be to go from one Qualcomm to another, but even then, aren't mobile phone processors tiny? The soldering itself might be close to impossible.
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It's a great question; I also wish it were possible. But mobile phone processors have various complexities such as a separate processor for various functions like phone or graphics. The only possibility would be to go from one Qualcomm to another, but even then, aren't mobile phone processors tiny? The soldering itself might be close to impossible.
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If it would just be the case of soldering, then i'll find someone who would do the job for me Afcourse the aspect of heat etc could be an issue..
Any other thoughts from anyone who knows about these kind of processors?
If the CPU itself is pin compatible, the issue is only the soldering. Mostly.
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If the CPU itself is pin compatible, the issue is only the soldering. Mostly.
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Sounds great! Now is there anyone who knows if there is a processor that would fit in the same pin-layout as the current x2-processor? For example the Qualcomms Snapdragon-processor?
unlikely that its even the same size let alone the same number of pins.. and even if it was of identical size and layout then theres the voltages to consider. i doubt the x2 was constructed by hand. quite often chips are placed and soldered by machine. would require an expert of considerable skill to remove and then solder in a new chip perfectly.
finally theres the problem of finding a processor to put in.... not like you can buy them in pcworld! if you wanted a snapdragon cpu you would have to buy a snapdragon phone to use as a donor. very expensive way to upgrade a phone.
Ur going to kill ur phone mate, u must be ridicusly precise if u decide to do that . .
Not possible! .. this is not a desktop! (or a laptop) with an changeble socket
apart from the soldering out a smd cpu with tons of legs then
if the new faster cpu didn't use 100% the same wm driver it would require a new rom and the the device would not work with any rom but the one custom made for the newer cpu
http://www.androidspin.com/2010/02/15/tat-home-new-android-interface-that-is-looking-pretty-sweet/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOGmnnGpoqg
WOW.
They say this was demoed on an HTC Hero.
It is obviously a bit more powerful than the Vogue...
Not sure if this will be able to run on the vogue.... if it does... how clean?
wow, i wonder if this will work on our vogues.
very nice
This is AWESOME..
I read in one of the comments that the demo was run from an HTC Hero so is it possible to flash this on to our vogues since we already have Sense Hero capable on our phones?
Wow is right! This looks amazing! Wonder when it comes out and if we can get it
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WOW.
They say this was demoed on an HTC Hero.
It is obviously a bit more powerful than the Vogue...
Not sure if this will be able to run on the vogue.... if it does... how clean?
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The Hero runs the same processor as the Vogue. It's just 528Mhz.
Now, the subsystem might be different (enhanced memory speed and/or bus). Our Vogues are rather limited in that respect. But processing power is about the same.
In theory, our Vogues could run at 528Mhz, but they're 90nm parts, so they may overheat. The Hero runs a 65nm processor (usually companies make small improvements when they transition to a different manufacturing process, since they have to do some late-stage re-design of the processor). 65nm means less material, and less resistance, meaning less heat when the processor is active.
It's never been analyzed what the leakage current of the 65nm parts (Hero, Diamond, TP2) are, which is why the trusty 'ole Vogues get better idle battery life. 90nm doesn't suffer from leakage current quite as much. In theory, 65nm is more efficient, since there's less resistance, however leakage current is how much power goes through when the transistor is off (processor is inactive). Smaller transistor = more leakage current (unless there's improvements to the dielectric).
Sorry to be a bubble burster guys. But TAT has shown some incredible interface video's over the years, but they never come out. Just youtube search for TAT and you'll see.
I would be surprised to see this one come to light.
But I'll tell you, if I find a way to shoehorn windows mobile 7 on a vogue I might just make the switch to check it out.
Not bad, but it looks like a prettier version of TF3D... (mind you I said TF3D and not Sense). Particularly, messaging and Music widgets look awfully similar to the TF3D counterparts.
Like I said, it isn't bad though...
Honestly it doesn't look that great. Looks like you need more thumb presses to get what you need done.
So, I'm bored with my Nexus. My battery life blows, I refuse to buy another battery for a phone that I'll be getting rid of soon. Also, I can't stand at&t. I'm wanting to get back to Big Red every day. Lucky for me, my contract termination date is soon.
That said, I love the Nexus, I bought it because of it's top-of the line technology. I don't want a Droid 2 it's too thick. The Droid X is too big, plus it's been out since July. Which means that a new one will be out sooner or later. Too bad the N2 is t-mo and maybe at&t, but I really don't want to lock-in to at&t for another 2 years.
Anybody else in this boat? What are you planning on doing? I'm hoping that the next generation android phones come out soon, face cameras and all. Anybody got any good rumors about new "super-phones"?
Nexus One is a beautiful product... I would like to wait for Nexus Two if there is any~ I got my Nexus One on 2nd March.
have been using it for 9 months and I still have 92% usable battery capacity..
I agree it is beautiful. I noticed you're in Australia, for which I'm very jealous. However, I'm not sure what the Australian Android scene is like down there, but it's changing daily here in the US.
Check out the battery cal thread. We just got the battery changes into pershoot's kernel this week. So now you can pull all your battery values from the battery EEPROM chip, and tweak them. We are experimenting with squeezing out more capacity now that we can change voltage, current, etc. Check the battery thread for more info
nothing for awhile, i just upgraded from my G1 to a N1 3 weeks ago and i don't honestly see anything hardware wise ground breaking happening that will make me want to get a new phone anytime soon.
a buddy of mine has the droid X, nice phone but man that screen looks like crap compared to the AMOLED screen the viewing angles not that it matters is very bad on them as well.
I think when they come up with a newer battery tech or phones that can have 2x+ the battery life and still be just as good as an N1 i would consider it but it's not going to happen for at least a year if not longer. in the mean time i don't have problems with battery life on average days and when i know i will be away from home/work for awhile i have a spare charged battery to make sure it stays alive
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So, I'm bored with my Nexus. My battery life blows, I refuse to buy another battery for a phone that I'll be getting rid of soon. Also, I can't stand at&t. I'm wanting to get back to Big Red every day. Lucky for me, my contract termination date is soon.
That said, I love the Nexus, I bought it because of it's top-of the line technology. I don't want a Droid 2 it's too thick. The Droid X is too big, plus it's been out since July. Which means that a new one will be out sooner or later. Too bad the N2 is t-mo and maybe at&t, but I really don't want to lock-in to at&t for another 2 years.
Anybody else in this boat? What are you planning on doing? I'm hoping that the next generation android phones come out soon, face cameras and all. Anybody got any good rumors about new "super-phones"?
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As soon as something that has a high quality build with a good camera equipped, I will jump ship. As of right now, I don't think that any Android phone has a good camera (in my opinion). I think we definitely live in an age where cellphone cameras can replace digital cameras but, unfortunately, there is no Android phone that has impressed me yet in the imaging department.
I agree. My wife wife has an iPhone 3G and I can brag all day about mu N1 being better. But when it gets to the camera, her phone is much better. Android phones have a long way ti catch up.
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I agree. My wife wife has an iPhone 3G and I can brag all day about mu N1 being better. But when it gets to the camera, her phone is much better. Android phones have a long way ti catch up.
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IPhone 3g vs n1 camera? Lol don't think so
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Droid Terminator... Early next year...
Nexus One has a decent camera, but the video recording quality is atrocious, ie. typical HTC video camera quality. Even the Sony X10 Mini Pro takes better videos (constant 30fps indoors). That's probably the only big knock against my Nexus One.
N1 stays
With currently available options I am unable to justify a switch from N1.
Thats unless someone releases an unlocked phone with a 1.5 dual core processor and 1G RAM with sustainable battery backup.
I'll wait for the next batch of new Android devices from the manufacturers once the WP7(which looks good) dust settles down.
They will pry my N1 from my cold dead hands.
Or whenever there's a device with unlockable bootloader, SIM-free (carrier unlocked), running vanilla Android, and officially a "dev phone" that beats Nexus One's specs.
Here are the features I would really like to have on such a device (in no particular order):
More internal storage. WTF were Google and HTC thinking putting only 512MB in the Nexus One?! With app sizes growing like crazy (e.g. Adobe Flash/Air or any 3D game) you hit the limit at 50-60 apps. Froyo improves things a little, but you're only postponing the inevitable "Device memory low" message. 8GB should be the minimum in today's handsets, preferably closer to 16-32GB.
Hardware keyboard. I'm getting used to Swype, but nothing beats the keyboard. Either slide or candy bar (Droid Pro) form factors will do.
True multi-touch screen. N1's screen is using old technology that registers only 2 points, and not very well at that. Just try crossing the axis while pinch-zooming to see what I mean.
Front-facing camera. I know it's a gimmick, but there are some pretty cool apps in the works that take advantage of it.
Better main camera. I'm not talking "moar megapiksels", I mean higher quality optics.
Larger and better screen. N1's 3.7 inches is a good enough size for a mobile device, but only just. I'd really prefer my next handset to have at least a 4.3" screen. Also, assuming Samsung stops hogging their Super AMOLEDs, I'd love to have that because of its supposed battery savings.
Larger battery. At some point we need to realize that with our changing usage habits, those 1500 mAh batteries just don't last for one day. Faster processors, GPU accelerated OS, bigger screens, and overall increased usage all take a toll. It's not your grandfather's Blackberry that sits in his pocket all day. 2400 mAh should be the standard nowadays, even if it makes the phone a millimeter thicker than the iPhone.
Better GPU. Sorry to say, but N1's Adreno 200 is a piece of crap. Forget Galaxy S, it can't even compare to the original Droid's PowerVR chip! I don't play many 3D intensive games on my Nexus One, but the ones I do are barely able to run. Gimme a Tegra2 or ARM's new Mali processor, and we're talkin'
More efficient CPU. It doesn't even need to be faster than 1GHz. As the G2 proved, clock speeds don't mean anything. Multi-core, better architecture, etc. should all be coming very soon to Android manufacturers.
HDMI-out port. Not all of my TVs at home are networkable, so having a video tank is very desirable to me.
CDMA and GSM (both T-Mobile ant AT&T 3G frequencies) radios. SIM lock is not the only thing restricting me from switching between carriers. I'm willing to pay extra to be free from any one particular network. Of course LTE, WiMAX and other future technologies will make this point moot. For the foreseeable future though, just CDMA and GSM radios will do.
Now I realize that with all these features comes a hefty price tag, but I'm willing to pay it. I don't want a carrier subsidy, I just want a kick-ass handset that will do what I want it to do.
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They will pry my N1 from my cold dead hands.
Or whenever there's a device with unlockable bootloader, SIM-free (carrier unlocked), running vanilla Android, and officially a "dev phone" that beats Nexus One's specs.
Here are the features I would really like to have on such a device (in no particular order):
More internal storage. WTF were Google and HTC thinking putting only 512MB in the Nexus One?! With app sizes growing like crazy (e.g. Adobe Flash/Air or any 3D game) you hit the limit at 50-60 apps. Froyo improves things a little, but you're only postponing the inevitable "Device memory low" message. 8GB should be the minimum in today's handsets, preferably closer to 16-32GB.
Hardware keyboard. I'm getting used to Swype, but nothing beats the keyboard. Either slide or candy bar (Droid Pro) form factors will do.
True multi-touch screen. N1's screen is using old technology that registers only 2 points, and not very well at that. Just try crossing the axis while pinch-zooming to see what I mean.
Front-facing camera. I know it's a gimmick, but there are some pretty cool apps in the works that take advantage of it.
Better main camera. I'm not talking "moar megapiksels", I mean higher quality optics.
Larger and better screen. N1's 3.7 inches is a good enough size for a mobile device, but only just. I'd really prefer my next handset to have at least a 4.3" screen. Also, assuming Samsung stops hogging their Super AMOLEDs, I'd love to have that because of its supposed battery savings.
Larger battery. At some point we need to realize that with our changing usage habits, those 1500 mAh batteries just don't last for one day. Faster processors, GPU accelerated OS, bigger screens, and overall increased usage all take a toll. It's not your grandfather's Blackberry that sits in his pocket all day. 2400 mAh should be the standard nowadays, even if it makes the phone a millimeter thicker than the iPhone.
Better GPU. Sorry to say, but N1's Adreno 200 is a piece of crap. Forget Galaxy S, it can't even compare to the original Droid's PowerVR chip! I don't play many 3D intensive games on my Nexus One, but the ones I do are barely able to run. Gimme a Tegra2 or ARM's new Mali processor, and we're talkin'
More efficient CPU. It doesn't even need to be faster than 1GHz. As the G2 proved, clock speeds don't mean anything. Multi-core, better architecture, etc. should all be coming very soon to Android manufacturers.
HDMI-out port. Not all of my TVs at home are networkable, so having a video tank is very desirable to me.
CDMA and GSM (both T-Mobile ant AT&T 3G frequencies) radios. SIM lock is not the only thing restricting me from switching between carriers. I'm willing to pay extra to be free from any one particular network. Of course LTE, WiMAX and other future technologies will make this point moot. For the foreseeable future though, just CDMA and GSM radios will do.
Now I realize that with all these features comes a hefty price tag, but I'm willing to pay it. I don't want a carrier subsidy, I just want a kick-ass handset that will do what I want it to do.
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That would be freaking awsome. I will have my Nexus One until a "Nexus two" is coming . Still very happy with it, had it for like 8 months now.
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Here are the features I would really like to have on such a device (in no particular order):
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That's why, after a lot of deliberation, I'm getting the LG Optimus 2X
All I want is another aluminum uni-body, ulockable-bootloader phone (just like the Nexus One) with the following feature:
a dual-core 1GHz+ processor
at least 1 GB of on-board storage
sdcard slot
I don't think that is too much to ask, is it? So far, From what I see out there, I'm sticking with my N1. If the HTC DesireHD2/Pyramid actually exists and has a dual-core processor, I'll likely jump to that IFF we can get S-OFF.
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All I want is another aluminum uni-body, ulockable-bootloader phone (just like the Nexus One) with the following feature:
a dual-core 1GHz+ processor
at least 1 GB of on-board storage
sdcard slot
I don't think that is too much to ask, is it? So far, From what I see out there, I'm sticking with my N1. If the HTC DesireHD2/Pyramid actually exists and has a dual-core processor, I'll likely jump to that IFF we can get S-OFF.
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what exactly is S-OFF with all these new HTC phones? i keep seeing it around but i am not familiar with what it is.
to answer this thread, i've been in upgrade hell, i simply cant figure out what i would want to replace my nexus one with. nothing out there seems to be "better" than the nexus one for me. is it too hard to get a nice solid aluminum 3.7-4 inch phone with notification light and build quality? the desire s is the highest on my list right now, but that stupid side-charge port turns me off. and no notification light. couldnt they just make the charge port on the bottom like normal?
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what exactly is S-OFF with all these new HTC phones? i keep seeing it around but i am not familiar with what it is.
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S-OFF stands for Security Off. Without getting technical, think of is as an unlocked bootloader.
I'll go for the HTC Pyramid if it shows up unlocked & 4G for tmob usa. Keeping my great N1 till then...
next phone
for me it has to be htc iv experimented and the dev support is with htc it will be a sense phone i cant stand stock
I am going to keep my N1 until the LG Optimus G2x or HTC Pyramid come out on Tmo, but I will wait to see if the Cyanogen team support them. I am not willing to get a phone without CM, or not being able to use custom Roms.
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Question 1
My Droid 3 is really slow compared to my T-Mobile G2. The Droid 3 has a dual-core 1 ghz cpu, while the T-Mobile G2's single-core is clocked at 800 mhz. I doubt that the T-Mobile G2's cpu is superior.
So what is causing my Droid 3 to underperform?
Question 2
There is a little hole between the USB port and the HDMI out. I don't know if this is my imagination or not, but I saw this hole light up yellow (only once, since I received Droid 3 2 months ago). Is this the charging LED? Why doesn't it light up? Am I imagining things?
Question 3
Did anyone notice that their Droid 3 got even slower after the latest official update a few weeks ago?
"question 1"
my motorola droid is overclocked to 1.2ghz and in benchmarks only scores a 1500
my droid 3 scores a 2500
check what is using up your ram perhaps? are you using the stock moto blur launcher?
also have you ran the script to rename all your bloatware as .bak? big improvement less crap running in the background
Hmmm, can someone recommend me the benchmarking app that most reviewers use? I always wanted to know what they use to benchmark and compare but I never got to finding out the app name.
Also please, someone answer my LED question.
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The LED is a charging light. When the phone is OFF and your charger (or data cable) is plugged in, the light goes white. (Only after applying the OTA)
Also talking about the OTA, I find my phone slightly faster, and definately more stable.
I had a Droid x at 1.6 ghz and a cliq previously. As well as a D inc 2. The droid 3 is vastly superior in EVERY way. If your phone is that slow, I recommend you either Factory reset and/or sbf and clear cache/dalvik after rooting and bootloadering then run another factory reset.
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poetryrocksalot said:
Question 1
My Droid 3 is really slow compared to my T-Mobile G2. The Droid 3 has a dual-core 1 ghz cpu, while the T-Mobile G2's single-core is clocked at 800 mhz. I doubt that the T-Mobile G2's cpu is superior.
So what is causing my Droid 3 to underperform?
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I came from a Desire Z too, and frankly I can't call the D3 an upgrade.
The DZ had a better screen, a better form factor an hugely better battery, a better reception, a way faster modem and a better CPU.
D3 wins just on the volume level, and in the keyboard layout side.
Not enough.
The Droid X was bad (not having owned one but a friend had one that perma froze often). And well the Cliq is just crap. So I can see why the Droid 3 is vastly superior to one of you (can't quote you because I am using mobile app).
I still like my D3 more than the G2 though. It's just relatively slow...by a small margin. But that shouldn't be like that with dual core and clock rating. I also agree the battery is crap.
But the reception really....I mean really depends on where you are cause my G2 was always running on 2G.....G2 had its flaws too, like: battery popping out when phone dropped, screen opens and closes by accident too easily, and I feel like 3.7 inch screens aren't enough. I actually enjoy watching Netflix on the D3. The D3 keyboard isn't just better, it's probably the best yet. It rivals the keyboards on Touch Pro2 and Nokia E90.
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But the reception really....I mean really depends on where you are cause my G2 was always running on 2G.....G2 had its flaws too, like
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LIkely the D3 does better on CDMA networks. Here where luckily CDMA is absent, the D3 does worse than the DZ, which in turn did worse than the milestone 1
It's just relatively slow...by a small margin.
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Teorhetically the new OMAP should UMILIATE the G2's qualcomm CPU, the real world says differently, I don't know if the culprits are the amateur motorola coders, or the CPU itself, probably a combination of the two.
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(can't quote you because I am using mobile app).
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Yes you can, press the post you wish to quote and a menu will pop up.
Raa_1 said:
The LED is a charging light. When the phone is OFF and your charger (or data cable) is plugged in, the light goes white. (Only after applying the OTA)
Also talking about the OTA, I find my phone slightly faster, and definately more stable.
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That LED has been discussed on the motorola forum. They say it works as follows:
If the phone is off and the battery has <5% charge, when you plug in your phone you'll get the LED showing it is charging so you know the phone has a "sign of life".
https://supportforums.motorola.com/message/467971#467971
Regarding quoting with the XDA app, I realized I could quote but I avoid double posting and quoting 2 guys in one response is too annoying for me.
I am pretty sure it's the coders fault. I suspect the moto bloat is the culprit behind this, but I am a stock ROM kind of guy. I avoid flashing vustom ROMs because I hate finding the right one only to realize that the devs constantly update the ROMs and that some bugs need to be fixed.
With stock, the update process is simple and automatic.
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I have experienced a large increase in battery and home screen speed after the latest update. In terms of battery, I think all the gains are in the power consumed by the cell radio while on standby or with screen off, so moderate to low users will probably see the most gains - someone who is constantly on their phone will not.
Notice I said homescreen speed, not overall speed. What I believe happened is that Motorola moved the home screen from the cache to a system app. Before the update, the home screen would constantly get kicked out of the cache in RAM (you can view this in the memory manager, select your free memory at the bottom to view cached items - pre OTA the homescreen would be there unless you were low in which case it got flushed, while post-OTA you never see your homescreen there). However, what this does it reduces the amount of RAM available to a given app when it is open, since the homescreen is kept in RAM to keep the system snappy, so individual app performance may suffer when you have a lot open and the are constantly switching in and out of RAM.
I have stock motoblur - have people on new OTA seen improvements from using ADW or LP+? Have people seen free RAM increases when freezing bloat? Given that the homescreen has moved to system memory, I am not sure using a launcher will help anymore, and I am not sure how much bloatware is actually running in the background and taking up RAM versus simply taking up space on the phone.
Of course, I am a noob, so I could be completely wrong...it's a bit conjecture. I do feel like this phone wold be so much better if Moto matched HTC and put in 768 of RAM, or even blessed it with 1GB like the Bionic or Atrix.