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Hey guys. Just recently, my motherboard went into a frenzy and sent a surge through it's auxilary molex connector (for extra power when you have SLI) and fried all my harddrives, dvd burner and the motherboard itself.
I've lost about 15 years of my life and work... the back ups where in multiple harddrives... all fried... pictures... papers... *sigh*
Anyhoo, I need to buy some new parts so I figured I'd start from scratch.
Currently I have the following to sell first:
Athlon64 X2 3800+ 939 (had it stable at 2.57 with no volt changes.)
2GB (2x1GB) DRR-I Samsung M368L2923DUN-CCC runs at 250mhz just fine. Haven't tried any faster. No volt changes. Just bought them at the end of last month.
XFX 7900GS
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 64 Pro
I'm hoping to get something for them since they're in perfect working condition. Especially the DDR memory because it's good ddr1 and ddr1 is expensive...
But anyways, the most important part is:
What do you think of this. Anyone ever had any of these parts? I'm definitively overclocking. Give me reviews!

ivanmmj said:
Hey guys. Just recently, my motherboard went into a frenzy and sent a surge through it's auxilary molex connector (for extra power when you have SLI) and fried all my harddrives, dvd burner and the motherboard itself.
I've lost about 15 years of my life and work... the back ups where in multiple harddrives... all fried... pictures... papers... *sigh*
Anyhoo, I need to buy some new parts so I figured I'd start from scratch.
Currently I have the following to sell first:
Athlon64 X2 3800+ 939 (had it stable at 2.57 with no volt changes.)
2GB (2x1GB) DRR-I Samsung M368L2923DUN-CCC runs at 250mhz just fine. Haven't tried any faster. No volt changes. Just bought them at the end of last month.
XFX 7900GS
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 64 Pro
I'm hoping to get something for them since they're in perfect working condition. Especially the DDR memory because it's good ddr1 and ddr1 is expensive...
But anyways, the most important part is:
What do you think of this. Anyone ever had any of these parts? I'm definitively overclocking. Give me reviews!
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the processor will hold the rest back imho, with core 2 duo i would go for the lowest clocked model of the highest cache size you can afford and overclock like hell!
also how much are you looking for each serperately and together?

Midget_1990 said:
the processor will hold the rest back imho, with core 2 duo i would go for the lowest clocked model of the highest cache size you can afford and overclock like hell!
also how much are you looking for each serperately and together?
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I've seen most of these chips run at around 3.0ghz. They seem to perform well. I'm in a tight budget but I'm open to suggestions.
These guys got it to 3.6ghz.
EDIT: Forgot to add the prices:
To tell you the truth, I don't know what it's worth...
I paid $80 last month for the memory.
I gotta find out what they're worth first.

Chip Upgrade

Is it possible to put the newer MSM7201A (the one in the new touch diamond), into a tilt's chip location and have it speed things up a bit? (528 vs 400 Mhz).

no as the chip is intergrated into the motherbaord.

Sure, with a very steady hand go on & solder it in, LOL

Not a problem
I have access to both the needed equipment, and a clean room to do it in. So that doesnt worry me, i really meant, what is neccesary to do so other than place the new chip. Will the software immediately recognize the difference? Or will it be a pain to make it work?

Blunt reply.
If you have to ask you don't have the skills to do it.

hah
I do it all the time for my PhD work. Really the physical work is not an issue at all.

Out of curiosity, where would you get the replacement MSM7201A chip? Assuming you are capable of replacing the CPU on a motherboard the size of the phone then you would also be capable of determining from the spec. sheet the similarity between the two and likelihood of utter catastrophic failure.
Personally I have no idea how feasible it is (sorry), but I would love to see someone potentially ruin their phone trying to be proven wrong

ladytoast said:
Out of curiosity, where would you get the replacement MSM7201A chip? Assuming you are capable of replacing the CPU on a motherboard the size of the phone then you would also be capable of determining from the spec. sheet the similarity between the two and likelihood of utter catastrophic failure.
Personally I have no idea how feasible it is (sorry), but I would love to see someone potentially ruin their phone trying to be proven wrong
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LOL exactly. You're going to have to buy a phone that has the MSM7101A chip in it already. Then your going to take the chip out of a perfectly good phone that is not even out yet mind you and then place it in the Kaiser. LOL. I just don't know why you would actually want to do this.

Changing the Sony Ericsson Xperia X2 processor?

Hi all,
I wonder if there is any possibility to change the prosessor of the X2 for a faster one. If there is somewhere a processor that has the same pin-layout, same size than the one on the x2, then why wouldn't it be possible to unsolder it and swap to an faster one..?
Sorry if this question is stupid, but i have no idea about mobilephone processors... On computers you can swap processors if they fit in the socket, and consume the same amount of power etc..

I'm not so much more a mobilephone processor expert but I doubt it's that easy. In mobilephones those components have to work together I guess. That means some hardware probably needs that qualcomm to work.
Also, I could imagine theres a problem with the heat of faster processor - or is that nonsense?

hertell said:
Hi all,
I wonder if there is any possibility to change the prosessor of the X2 for a faster one. If there is somewhere a processor that has the same pin-layout, same size than the one on the x2, then why wouldn't it be possible to unsolder it and swap to an faster one..?
Sorry if this question is stupid, but i have no idea about mobilephone processors... On computers you can swap processors if they fit in the socket, and consume the same amount of power etc..
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It's a great question; I also wish it were possible. But mobile phone processors have various complexities such as a separate processor for various functions like phone or graphics. The only possibility would be to go from one Qualcomm to another, but even then, aren't mobile phone processors tiny? The soldering itself might be close to impossible.

ring-bearer said:
It's a great question; I also wish it were possible. But mobile phone processors have various complexities such as a separate processor for various functions like phone or graphics. The only possibility would be to go from one Qualcomm to another, but even then, aren't mobile phone processors tiny? The soldering itself might be close to impossible.
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If it would just be the case of soldering, then i'll find someone who would do the job for me Afcourse the aspect of heat etc could be an issue..
Any other thoughts from anyone who knows about these kind of processors?

If the CPU itself is pin compatible, the issue is only the soldering. Mostly.

TAMHAN said:
If the CPU itself is pin compatible, the issue is only the soldering. Mostly.
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Sounds great! Now is there anyone who knows if there is a processor that would fit in the same pin-layout as the current x2-processor? For example the Qualcomms Snapdragon-processor?

unlikely that its even the same size let alone the same number of pins.. and even if it was of identical size and layout then theres the voltages to consider. i doubt the x2 was constructed by hand. quite often chips are placed and soldered by machine. would require an expert of considerable skill to remove and then solder in a new chip perfectly.
finally theres the problem of finding a processor to put in.... not like you can buy them in pcworld! if you wanted a snapdragon cpu you would have to buy a snapdragon phone to use as a donor. very expensive way to upgrade a phone.

Ur going to kill ur phone mate, u must be ridicusly precise if u decide to do that . .

Not possible! .. this is not a desktop! (or a laptop) with an changeble socket

apart from the soldering out a smd cpu with tons of legs then
if the new faster cpu didn't use 100% the same wm driver it would require a new rom and the the device would not work with any rom but the one custom made for the newer cpu

3GHz?? Really...

Is this for real??
http://androidapproved.com/item/droid-overclocking-reaches-3-0ghz-video/

No, I'm pretty certain it's a fake, or is at least a glitch in software that makes it appear to be running at 3ghz, as the chances of the processor running stably at those speeds is almost zero without loads of additional voltage and cooling.

Thank you.

You've posted this in the wrong section.
This is a Droid 2 you're looking at.
Simply look at the curves at the top of the screen, they're a lot more curvy than the original Droid 1.
With the Droid 2, I would imagine that it's possible, especially with the OMAP 3630 chipset.
Defaulting a 1 ghz, that seems more feasible. Not to say that he won't fry his phone with continued 3000 mhz use, but it is possible.

HAHA your right...and the keyboard should have given it away. Sorry guys.
I think it's possible but you'll need some kind of cooling system to keep it from frying it's self and pretty much plugged in the whole time your using it cuz of the amount of power it's going to take.

Snapdragon Themral Throttling [Discussion]

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/04/in-depth-with-the-snapdragon-810s-heat-problems/
This articles above shows that you don't always get what you paid for when you buy the newest bleeding edge tech. It's about the the thermal throttling in the Snapdragon 800 series SoC's. The good ones the bad ones and it def hows a pattern of things being worse off during the beginning of a number in the in the "x" placement ----> 8x0.
Seems like big buyers are being experimented with a bit, tisk, tisk.
Now let's discuss

I would like to see this test redone with all SoCs undervolted as far as they will go.

I just want to add 2 things to this discussion:
1) Every mobile device will throttle at some point. This is the only way the SoC is able to manage its temperatures in a device that has zero active cooling. Either the user stops using the phone and it cools down or they continue using it and it will throttle.
2) It is the phone manufacturer's responsibility to design a phone and chassis that can support the thermal requirements of the SoC they have chosen for their device. If a phone over heats or the SoC is so throttled that it can never reach it's maximum clock speed (such as the Snapdragon 810 in the HTC M9) then the phone was designed poorly (based on the required specifications) and they should have chosen a lower power SoC.

I can't understand what manufacturers are looking for when they pack such CPUs in their flagship phones: the speed of a SD 801 is still cutting edge, and it has been the only chip capable of combining acceptable power consumption with top performance lately.
I'm a N5 owner, and really can't complain about speed, but that is just because CPU-intensive tasks, like rendering a webpage or opening an app, often last for just a few seconds, during which the phone doesn't heat up enough for thermal throttling to intervene. I rarely play games with my phone.
If Qualcomm focussed on reducing power consumption in the last couple of years, instead of searching for overly high performances, now we'd probably have phones with the SD 800's speed, but lasting two days, and with consistent performances during every kind of usage.

Damn it Qua!comm instead of jamming reference cores in to chips get cracking optimizing drivers to get more performance out of existing products. The Adreno driver overhead is embrassing.

pgptheoriginal said:
I can't understand what manufacturers are looking for when they pack such CPUs in their flagship phones: the speed of a SD 801 is still cutting edge, and it has been the only chip capable of combining acceptable power consumption with top performance lately.
I'm a N5 owner, and really can't complain about speed, but that is just because CPU-intensive tasks, like rendering a webpage or opening an app, often last for just a few seconds, during which the phone doesn't heat up enough for thermal throttling to intervene. I rarely play games with my phone.
If Qualcomm focussed on reducing power consumption in the last couple of years, instead of searching for overly high performances, now we'd probably have phones with the SD 800's speed, but lasting two days, and with consistent performances during every kind of usage.
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The Exynos 7420 delivers better performance, better thermal management and better efficiency.

thermal throttle, whats that?? ive disabled thermal throttle on every nexus thats ever had it, since the n4 that's the n4, n5, and now n6. but the n6 is the best at not getting hot. as i cant get it over 82C ever.

The problem is and it applies to terrible battery life is thin phones. We just do not need skinny phones. It's like women. We have been brainwashed into thinking thin phones and thin women are both sexy. I dislike women with a toastrack ribcage and would love my nexus 5 to be twice as thick. No throttling and huge battery life...
Sent from my Nexus 5

flamingspartan3 said:
The Exynos 7420 delivers better performance, better thermal management and better efficiency.
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Only because its on 14nm, if it would be built on 20nm it would throttle down just like the sd810. This isn't so much qualcomm's fault as it is arm's fault, the a53/a57 cores are simply too power hungry, the sd805 with a7/a15 cores barely gets throttled at 20nm.

zerosum0 said:
The problem is and it applies to terrible battery life is thin phones. We just do not need skinny phones. It's like women. We have been brainwashed into thinking thin phones and thin women are both sexy. I dislike women with a toastrack ribcage and would love my nexus 5 to be twice as thick. No throttling and huge battery life...
Sent from my Nexus 5
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I agree with the battery part... As for women I like a nice toned women.

peachpuff said:
Only because its on 14nm, if it would be built on 20nm it would throttle down just like the sd810. This isn't so much qualcomm's fault as it is arm's fault, the a53/a57 cores are simply too power hungry, the sd805 with a7/a15 cores barely gets throttled at 20nm.
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your post conflicts by itself lol.
Also the 805 is a krait 400(or 500 can´t remember) architeture based on the a50 (the 800/801 are a15, and the 400 is based on the a7 with some variants based on the a9). Basicly the 805 runs a proprietary cpu architeture made after the a50 one, with the armv8 instruction set.
However the 810 runs the a51/53 instruction set, with no modifications, straight from ARM.and that´s something qualcomm didnt do for a long time,and as we can see the 810 WAS rushed to the market(the whole 64bit race)
Now for the thread, talking about the 800 series (since its what we have),it seems to have a good performance-heat ratio,however we feel it on our nexus due to poor thermal design, in the case of the n4/n5 the shield used to spread the heat don´t even touch the SOC lmao.
Talking qualcomm in general, i cant understand why they still have fails, having more than 15years of experience (10+ being with their own custom cores) i would expect them to not have these issues, but they still do.Also not going back much to the past, see the snap S4 gen 1 series(i.e the krait 200 variants, USA´S S3, Nexus 4 and such), they also have hw bugs(for instance, only the first core can go to fully deep sleep), thats something i would expect for a new player, not one with 15 years of experience(to make things even worse, qualcomm has been on the ARM market pretty much since the ARM arch/instruction set came out)
Also to OP, the 615,610,410,210 are all good socs, so the YXY pattern isn´t something here
However i must remember you guys, the one to blame here after all IS qualcomm, we dont have fully documentations and technical details or for most of you(including me) fully understanding of how a cpu is made / works but the a51 / 53 cores itself are fine, one player to see its the exynos 7220 on the s6, it runs a MALI gpu(which is from ARM,) and runs a53/51 architeture with a few modifications(not to the arch itself, but to the chip, make more thermal efficient, support samsung own branded chips, modems ,etc) and it runs better than the 810.
Also what made the 810 look worse is the drivers, adreno drivers sucks (sorry for the word, but this is more of a rant), my 4 year old MALI 400MP gpu haves about the same performance as my 2013´s adreno 330 (s3 exynos 4420 + mali 400mp vs nexus 5 snap 800 + adreno 330)

@opssemnik No way your mali 400MP is faster than an andreno 330

pk-sanja said:
@opssemnik No way your mali 400MP is faster than an andreno 330
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It really isnt in raw power or optmized games(gta sa and the newest NFS)but on the rest(even gta vice city) my s3 can keep up, and in fact due to better thermal design it can outstand the n5 after some time of playing

Nothing wrong with toned. But this craze of super thin is crazy. As for batteries if some one had come out with a replacement back with a huge battery inthat sloped to the camera that clipped in to replace the other I'd of been in heaven. My Nexus is in a heavy Spiegen case and I'm always amazed how skinny it is when I take it out to clean. I prefer it in the case. Feels better built
Sent from my Nexus 5