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I am coming from Sprint and unlimited data so I have no idea how often I actually went over 2 GB. How easy is it to do with no tethering, but I do plan on using Pandora in my car. Should I use wifi when It is available to alleviate some of the use? Never had to pay attention to data use before.
I can only reference my iphone 3gs data usage answering your question, because I haven't been on and checked mine recently, but I would say definitely use wifi when available (why not? Its super fast!) and about the data usage thing, when I had my iphone in never used wifi and there was only one time I went over 2gigs worth of data in the year I had it, and after heavy usage 24/7. And in can't recount why I did go over either... I would say u really don't have much to worry about unless you tether, thats a whole different ball game i could be wrong though.
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Even when AT&T had unlimited data there was a 5gig softcap that would raise suspicions if you went over it....that being said, for nearly a year I used my Blackberry as my sole internet connection on my home desktop (and played Warcraft online constantly) and never went over 5 gigs. I use wifi at home now and I stay well under 2 gigs easily, and I watch YouTube videos and so forth on a regular basis. Just install netcounter from the market and monitor your usage from the beginning of your billing cycle and you'll be surprised at how far 2 gigs will go.
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I can only reference my iphone 3gs data usage answering your question, because I haven't been on and checked mine recently, but I would say definitely use wifi when available (why not? Its super fast!) and about the data usage thing, when I had my iphone in never used wifi and there was only one time I went over 2gigs worth of data in the year I had it, and after heavy usage 24/7. And in can't recount why I did go over either... I would say u really don't have much to worry about unless you tether, thats a whole different ball game i could be wrong though.
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Y'all are all so helpful just like the folks over on the XDA Hero CDMA section. :up:
I will say that it's fairly easy to go over 2 gigs...especially if your using Pandora..Which the 2 other posters failed to mention.
I had my Omnia(Verizon) tethered and used in excess of 65 Gigs a billing cycle. And Verizon never complained..lol
Anyway, depending on how much of Pandora you use, the 2 gigs can go rather quick. It's shady that AT&T did that but there gonna do what they want. I'm currently on the 2 gig data trap with 3 lines(BB/G1/Captivate) and I use almost 2 gigs per line(except my not here yet Captivate) and thats with using wifi at work, home, and at my parents, and I still use a crap load of data.
If you don't HAVE to go to AT&T, I'd stay with Sprint..lol..Just my suggestion.
Hope everything works out.
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Using the dialer, type in *DATA# and call it. You'll get a text message saying how much data you've used, and when the next bill starts. Do some simple math, and prorate what you've used over a 30 day period, and see where you stand.
At first I was worried about data, but I did that and I wasn't going to even break 1GB. Since then I haven't even thought about it. Currently at ~500 MB with two weeks left on my billing cycle.
I guess it depends also a lot on how much you are on wifi , if you have wifi at home and/or work, i dont think you are going to ever hit the 2 gb cap.
Yea I'm at 183 mb and have 3 days left on my billing cycle. And don't get it twisted, that's from listening to alot of pandora in the car. Notice that guy said "tethered," keyword there. I wonder how much data pandora uses in the monthly 40 hour cap your allowed.
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If you stream a lot of 3G it is easy to go over, especially video.
Go to att.com/myandroid to check data usage. Also, 3G Watchdog app will keep track of your data usage.
That said, my friend had his iPhone 4 for a couple months and uses it quite a bit at work (always switches on wifi at home) and he never even passed 1GB.
I used 7gb of data last month on my captivate, (unlimited data ftw).
But damn bro, would you have waited a little longer, you could have gotten the EPIC XD
Well, presumably he could return his phone and retun to Sprint for the Epic 4g (Sprint's Galaxy S variant on the off chance you don't know), so long as he's in his 30 day return window. If I wasn't grandfathered in on unlimited, I probably would have held out and jumped ship to Sprint when the Epic lands.
Looking at my current data usage in the AT&T app, I will probably hit 1GB this month. I don't think I've done more than 3 hours of streaming radio, but I just flash JH2 and re-install all my apps over 3G, plus I installed the Asphalt 5 demo which includes a separate in-game 102mb data install, so that would explain my usage. I could see occasionally hitting 2GB, though I'm having trouble imaging how you would hit 7gigs in a month unless you were downloading/streaming several podcasts over 3G. I think my podcasts are 150-200mb daily, so I suppose it's possible. But it would be much faster to use wi-fi, so eh...
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I used 7gb of data last month on my captivate, (unlimited data ftw).
But damn bro, would you have waited a little longer, you could have gotten the EPIC XD
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10 dollars more a month for the same ****ty CDMA coverage, no thanks. There isn't any 4G here.
So after rooting with unleash the beast, it added wireless tether to my phone...
i am very excited about this but i am slightly concerned about actually using it. I have heard people talk about At&t being able to tell you have been tethering by how big your data packages are..
so what i am asking is.. is this concern over rated? can they and do they really check? and how many of you are wireless tethering with your captivate?
btw i have had the unlimited data package deal since iphone 3g so i still get "unlimited" data instead of 2gb limit
thanks in advance, and sorry if this is a stupid Q that has been answered b4
Could they find out - yes; do they, probably not; BUT if you do hit up against the 5Gb limit of unlimited a lot they will start looking. It is not easy, but they can do packet inspection and easily infer that your traffic is PC based and not phone based. If you use this as your primary internet connection at home you will get caught. If you tether now and then, you should be fine.
And don't apologize, use the search function.
I have seen guys post up their bills that showed 30+ gigs for multiple months! Said it was even from torrent downloading! I use it in the summer as my main connection usually ~3-4 gigs for 3 years now and have never had a problem.
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They don't seem to care
I blew it out of the water this moth and they didn't seem to care
Never had a problem. I don't download really huge amounts of data on a tethered connection (leave that for other times). Normal use, such as web surfing, emails (with normal attachments) streaming video, etc should never result in any issues.
I've not experienced any issues. I don't use that much data however. I think the largest at one time was when I had to download Kies on my netbook when I was out of town. Other than that 200MB at once, it's nothing more than normal web usage.
I blew it out of the water this moth and they didn't seem to care
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Seriously???? What in the world do you do with your phone??
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Seriously???? What in the world do you do with your phone??
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Seconded... I use my phone frequently for work which involves vpn + mutliple ssh sessions for 8 hours a day when I am away from the office and I usually hit about 2gb. To hit 5-10-20gb, you have to be running torrents or something stupid. That's insane.
That being said, I use wireless tethering and don't pay the additional tethering fee. I've done this for a year on AT&T and did it for years on Sprint (man, I miss their data network!) without any problems or charges.
I hit 5 to 10 gigs a month for the past six months. My phone is my major internet connection. That said, the only time I've tethered is for a friends youtube addiction and about once a week for the s wifes iphone 20 mb cap on apps. No problems, but I've been waiting for em to throttle me down to edge.
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Now that T-Mobile is charging for tethering, will N1 Owners have to pony up $15 if we choose to tether??
Not as far as I'm concerned...they would have to prove that I'm tethering
I think we're safe.
Unless one downloads so many gigs (tens to hundreds) with their phone tethered. then they may smell something fishy.
They have set a cap on T-Mobile to 5 gigs of data before they limit you to edge or something. Other than that I dunno how they would be able to tell the difference between heavy mobile data usage and tethering your phone.
Tethering is only "officially" supported by T-Mobster this way. I'm not worried one bit.
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I can't VPN into work now. =(
doesn't apply to unlimited data.
Ok, there are news making round, where iphone users got message saying that they have to sign up for tethering plans to use tethering. I don't know if it also applies to Android phones or not?
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My assumption is that they will apply the tethering charge if they can detect a tethered usage. I was hoping someone would create a thread on this so we could compare notes.
So, did any Captivate users with a self-enabled tethering set-up get the AT&T message? Any theories on what you did to make yourself suspicious?
Just for the record I've never tethered yet but i'd like to have the ability to do it in a pinch, with my plain jane $15 a month capped data plan, and I'd be willing to pay for any data overages when I do. But I'll be damned if I'll pay $45 a month just in case I need it some day.
I tether my Captivate with my laptop occasionally and use my phone's wireless AP with my nook on an unlimited data plan. No notice from AT&T, and no extra charges. It does seem that there could be some throttling going on after using quite a bit of data, it could just be coincidence though. When I purchased my Cappy the salesman did say there was no extra charge for tethering, unlike the iPhone's $30 tethering plan, things change though.
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Ok, there are news making round, where iphone users got message saying that they have to sign up for tethering plans to use tethering. I don't know if it also applies to Android phones or not?
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That is because until this latest version of IOS that was just released iPhone users could not tether without jailbreaking their phones. They can now legally tether with IOS 4.3.3 I believe. This doesn't have any bearing on the Captivate to the best of my knowledge but that is just my opinion.
No it still has a meaning for us. They are just trying to get more money from people for using services that they can charge you for. So if they can detect it they will try to get money from you
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Here is an article with a good explanation:
http://phandroid.com/2011/03/18/illegal-iphone-tetherers-on-at-android-users-next/
Hi, Im interested in rooting my G note.
I rooted my HTC HD2 a long time ago and it was just alot better (custom roms). HOWEVER:
Im interested in this android tether application: Obviously you can tether you 3g you pay for monthly with the phones default settings. BUT
using root access, does this mean you can cancel your contract!, get a pay as you go contract, use the android tether to effectively steal the 3g data and then stream it to the same phone over wifi and browse for instance on Opera mini, mobile firefox, receive email over it?
or, is it the case that you can only tether to other devices such as ipod touch,,another wifi capable phone?
I can't really see the use in this otherwiseunless you carry around two phones all the time.
Can someone clear this up please because all the videos Ive watched they only prove it works on another device.
thanks very much, and I hope this works
by the way , I am based in the UK, have the standard european version and Im on a 3g network called 3. If this only works withother uk providers Id be happy to switch to orange/t-mobile , O2 etc
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using root access, does this mean you can cancel your contract!, get a pay as you go contract, use the android tether to effectively steal the 3g data and then stream it to the same phone over wifi and browse for instance on Opera mini, mobile firefox, receive email over it?
I can't really see the use in this otherwiseunless you carry around two phones all the time.
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Forgive me as i dont really understand what you're looking for. Is there a link to the tethering app you're speaking of? Tethering apps are usually so you can use your phones 3g for your laptop/pc. If youre on 3, then youre unlimited bundle comes in handy. A friend of mine tethers his sgs2 t9 his laptop using unlimited 3g as his broadband connection and has done for some time now without being restricted.
I dont understand when you say "steal the 3g from a pay as you go phone" to your note? That seems pointless. Surely yiu could just stick the pay as you go sim into your note?
Also, there are a lot of tethering apps that dont require root access.
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I thought one of the advantages of rooting your phone is to be able to not pay the monthly contract and use the tethering wifi from whichever network your on.
this guy says it in the first few minutes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVXMjVpMX2k&feature=related
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Also, there are a lot of tethering apps that dont require root access.
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yeh I know this....so...
oh, so it is only when you have a data plan already, you get tethering for free. when rooted. Nothing special then. ''. ?
so you can't have no data plan and effectively steal free data? ? '',
oh wait: having said that i was thethering a few months ago and my bill was huge: so I dont get it for free..
so reverting my original question:: does this work on the 3 network in the uk? thx
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couldn't i just root like an old samsung galaxy, keep it in my left pocket, travel the world , lol and keep a galaxy note in the other pocket using the wifi from the old samsung?
Im a little confused too, couldn't you do this with no data plan, i.e pay as you go and when you connect to 'data 3g' they charge you as you go, but effectively just tether it to another phone for free? so basically you would just pay for calls and not internet?
Ok, what the guy is on about is thqt operators in us charge an extra bolt on for the priveledge of enabling tethering. O2 used to do it when tethering was first enabled on the iphone 3gs, it was 10 quid a month or something rediculous.
Im pretty sure that now its free to enable tethering in the uk. All it means is that you can pair your phone using existing data plan to your laptop or pc, and effectively use it as a mobile 3g modem.
So yes, tethering will work on any network or rom, you're just limited by your existing data plan as to how worthwhile it is. If you get a 3 all you can eat data plan, then its unlimited, but of course speeds are pretty crappy.
Im sure there is a way to hack an operators 3g networks and get data for free but would imagine thats a bit beyond xda's strict code of ethics
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I see, what I meant when I got charged alot was that I went over the 5GB limit.
If I was to tether for free, using the root access, would I basically 'eat up that data' whilst tethering to another device for free?
As you know, in the uk, the tethering access most commonly comes under the same data plan and isn't free in that regard.
Yes, tethering just uses your existing data plan. Try getting one of 3's all you can eats if possible, im sure theyd be willing to if you call them up.
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To me it looks more like you have no idea about what rooting and tethering really is/does.... Since what you are asking is completely ridiculous...
You want to use your 3G data to send it over wifi, back to the same phone......
You can just cut out the tether part and use your 3G directly........
it's like getting into the car by entering into the trunk to get out by the back door to finally open the drivers door and sit in the drivers seat, instead of just open the drivers door right away like normal minded ppl would do.....
Guess we all start somewhere, i was confused as hell when i started out with smartphones.
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To me it looks more like you have no idea about what rooting and tethering really is/does.... Since what you are asking is completely ridiculous...
You want to use your 3G data to send it over wifi, back to the same phone......
You can just cut out the tether part and use your 3G directly........
it's like getting into the car by entering into the trunk to get out by the back door to finally open the drivers door and sit in the drivers seat, instead of just open the drivers door right away like normal minded ppl would do.....
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it's like getting into the car by entering into the trunk to get out by the back door to finally open the drivers door and sit in the drivers seat, instead of just open the drivers door right away like normal minded ppl would do.....
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just come back to this thread after a few hours: no its not because you would be getting it for free.
It is more like buying a drivers door and not actually owning a boot door or side door
surely?!
Don't you understand?? In the uk you can have a pay as you go contract and then pay extra for 3g when you use it, so instinct would suggest you could effetcivel climb into your car through the boot and into the drivers seat!!! to use the pay as you go 3g (for free) through tethering(eg the metaphorical boot ) and use the wifi receiver of the phone to use it!!! (eg the metaphorical drivers seat )
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But anyway I understood from before that the phone can't receive that own signal. Although now Im questioning either the other persons understanding or your ignorance So what Im now saying is 'yes its useful'. But does it work in the uk where the tethering is just the same usage of the data plan eg 5GB????
Im sure I could ask 3 for unlimted but tbh the people at their contact centre are umbelievably annoying. Id prefer to use this way of tethering as it'd give me an excuse to put effort into rooting my device anyway
Strange logic indeed... Pretty sure the car would have blown up and you'd be in hospital!
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strange humour. Has no one got a striaight answer to this.
Or can i assume everyone on this forum is mobile obsessed, and works for mobile phone network companies
Answer answered a few times.
I dont think you understand the principals of tethering or a normal data connection.
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So, if i was to tether having rooted the phone, it would still cost me is that what your saying?
because I don't think that was said at all ?
Tether uses data from the phone. If you have no data plan, you cant tether full stop.
If you know of a way to hack 3's 3g network, please let me know, i'll transfer now.
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i just found this, but, since you can have payg internet i see no reason why you couldn't tether .. Correct me if im wrong but it just seemed a naturally progressive assumption.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=719110
sorry i can't just take your word for it ,
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ok I found this though http://technoratia.com/2011/12/30/three-uks-position-on-tethering-devices-to-your-phone/ three don't allow tethering on payg,,, (as its their policy)
suppose someone must do in the uk??? then it would work right? presuming the tethering is alos in the payg form and not monthly eg bolt on to a payg plan.
giffgaff allow tethering from payg but you wil lbe paying a hell of alot of money to tether on a non contract tarriff
you cannot tether if you do not have the creit on payg or a contract that gives you data each month
what exactly are you trying to achive ? internet on your laptop for free from a mobile connection and dropping a home broadband connection?
You cannot resend a tethered signal from a phone back to itself as the tethering itself uses the phone's WIFI module, and as such cannot connect to the WIFI hotspot since the phone has no additional WIFI modules. So what you're asking for is literally impossible under normal circumstances.
Also, am I right in understanding that what you're asking for is bordering on fraud/theft of services?
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You cannot resend a tethered signal from a phone back to itself as the tethering itself uses the phone's WIFI module, and as such cannot connect to the WIFI hotspot since the phone has no additional WIFI modules. So what you're asking for is literally impossible under normal circumstances.
Also, am I right in understanding that what you're asking for is bordering on fraud/theft of services?
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He is trying to enter a Tesco, and eat their M&M's without opening the bag....
And consequently not opening his wallet either
And he still doesn't understand rooting, dataplans or tethering, which isn't a bad thing, but he could just take our word for it, or read up on it.
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He is trying to enter a Tesco, and eat their M&M's without opening the bag....
And consequently not opening his wallet either
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Lol... Too true.
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