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Could turn out to be vaporware like Spectec's card, but doesn't every Vogue owner want wifi? I dare to dream.
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20090723/173346/
Not if it means giving up my 8Gb of storage.
I daresay, I do agree with denasqu. At first I was obsessed with wi-fi, but after upgrading the internet to unlimited, I didn't have to worry about data caps. Now a wi-fi chip means compromising 16 gb for myself
Nice. The Spectec one is 7mm too long so it sticks out of the Vogue. This one is only 1mm longer which hopefully allows it to fit inside the phone. I was all about getting one up until a month ago when Verizon added service by my house and now I get full bars but its still something I'd invest in if it fit my phone closed.
the article says the antenna takes up about a third of the card, wonder if it will still have storage or just be wifi reciever.
How much would it cost? It must be pretty $$$. I haven't seen a price anywhere on google. I'd be interested though as I don't yet have the cash for a $30 a month data plan.
I would say buy a new with phone WIFI but the Vogue is the only WM phone that you can have with Verizon without a data plan. BLOODSUCKERS
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I would say buy a new with phone WIFI but the Vogue is the only WM phone that you can have with Verizon without a data plan. BLOODSUCKERS
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That's exactly why I went with a Vogue. Well, that and when I came up for renewal last year the Vogue was free. But I wouldn't have done it if they'd forced a data plan like they do with the other models.
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Seems like they are running out of blood. Acc. to a vzw rep they are planning to roll out some new phones w/o data requirement or a lock on gps.... yeah right. I would bail to sprint but that seems like a sinking ship now.
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I would say buy a new with phone WIFI but the Vogue is the only WM phone that you can have with Verizon without a data plan. BLOODSUCKERS
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You can use the HTC Titan (Verizon xv6800) and Samsung i760. Both have WIFI and Verizon doesn't require data plan on these. The only WM phones with WIFI that Verizon doesn't require data.
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I would say buy a new with phone WIFI but the Vogue is the only WM phone that you can have with Verizon without a data plan. BLOODSUCKERS
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they don't require a data plan, but little things like aim really kill you. my first month i had a $180 data bill and got the $30/month data plan.
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they don't require a data plan, but little things like aim really kill you. my first month i had a $180 data bill and got the $30/month data plan.
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The Vogue is the only WM phone that does not require you to have a data plan. All the others do.
potentially it would be great to have wifi. however most of us have unlimited plans (its a requirement for me) i guess it all boils down to what you want. i hear wifi has less battery drain than actual data transfer.
do you want wifi or storage? the article does sound like there could be room for memory in addition to wifi, but i don't know enough about the microSD slot to know it it can support 2 devices at once. anyone know?
The winner is the usb wifi dongle that dzo said might be possible. Of course someone has to write the driver...
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So after rooting with unleash the beast, it added wireless tether to my phone...
i am very excited about this but i am slightly concerned about actually using it. I have heard people talk about At&t being able to tell you have been tethering by how big your data packages are..
so what i am asking is.. is this concern over rated? can they and do they really check? and how many of you are wireless tethering with your captivate?
btw i have had the unlimited data package deal since iphone 3g so i still get "unlimited" data instead of 2gb limit
thanks in advance, and sorry if this is a stupid Q that has been answered b4
Could they find out - yes; do they, probably not; BUT if you do hit up against the 5Gb limit of unlimited a lot they will start looking. It is not easy, but they can do packet inspection and easily infer that your traffic is PC based and not phone based. If you use this as your primary internet connection at home you will get caught. If you tether now and then, you should be fine.
And don't apologize, use the search function.
I have seen guys post up their bills that showed 30+ gigs for multiple months! Said it was even from torrent downloading! I use it in the summer as my main connection usually ~3-4 gigs for 3 years now and have never had a problem.
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They don't seem to care
I blew it out of the water this moth and they didn't seem to care
Never had a problem. I don't download really huge amounts of data on a tethered connection (leave that for other times). Normal use, such as web surfing, emails (with normal attachments) streaming video, etc should never result in any issues.
I've not experienced any issues. I don't use that much data however. I think the largest at one time was when I had to download Kies on my netbook when I was out of town. Other than that 200MB at once, it's nothing more than normal web usage.
I blew it out of the water this moth and they didn't seem to care
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Seriously???? What in the world do you do with your phone??
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Seriously???? What in the world do you do with your phone??
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Seconded... I use my phone frequently for work which involves vpn + mutliple ssh sessions for 8 hours a day when I am away from the office and I usually hit about 2gb. To hit 5-10-20gb, you have to be running torrents or something stupid. That's insane.
That being said, I use wireless tethering and don't pay the additional tethering fee. I've done this for a year on AT&T and did it for years on Sprint (man, I miss their data network!) without any problems or charges.
I hit 5 to 10 gigs a month for the past six months. My phone is my major internet connection. That said, the only time I've tethered is for a friends youtube addiction and about once a week for the s wifes iphone 20 mb cap on apps. No problems, but I've been waiting for em to throttle me down to edge.
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I've never tried tethering, and was wondering what app I should use...and if Verizon is going to bill me. Can anybody suggest/help?
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it depends, if you will be using more then one computer or something like that then use the wireless tether app in the market if your going to just use a laptop most froyo roms come with a USB tether built in that works just use that
but i will say sometimes the phone heats up fast so try to keep it in a cold area to keep it cool
as long as you dont go over 5gb verizon wont even look twice at your data usage
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Awesome. Thanks, man!
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I've been with VZW for almost 5 years now, 3 of which have been with an unlimited data plan for a blackberry back then and a droid now. I've moved close to 2TB of information under the unlimited data plan and i'm NOT using their "paid tethering service" and have YET to see a bill where i've been charged for an overage of data.
The short answer is no, you're not going to get billed even if you go over the 5GB mark UNLESS you choose to pay for their app which specifically tracks your usage and cuts you off at 5GB of unlimited data and continues to bill you for anything after that.
The technical answer to this question is VZW does not charge an APN fee, so feel free to use any other tethering service BUT theirs and all they see monthly is data moving. And it's hard to charge someone who's streaming 5GB or more a month if all they're doing is streaming something like Pandora, Slacker or Jam11 on a constant basis.
I've done it all via tethering:
- uploaded various LARGE files including hybrid OS for Blackberry
- downloaded various LARGE files
- remote accessed another computer though a secondary computer from the computer I was tethering on
And these are just a FEW of the things i've done that suck enormous amounts of bandwith monthly.
Hope this helps.
I searched and found all different answers. If I tether my G1 using a different app that requires root...will t-mobile be able to differ between the stock tethering app and a market tethering app? If they can't differ, I wouldn't be charged extra...right?
So far I haven't found any definite proof on the forums. But most of the complaints I've seen were from people using the stock froyo tethering feature. So I guess if you use a 3rd party tethering app you're less likely to be caught. And anyways you should use 3rd party tethering apps because of the extra features they have.
I have been wondering the same thing.. I have been using a third party tether app to allow access to my ipod touch in my car (dont feel like buying another adapter) and i stream pandora through it and so far have not been caught or charged extra.. But like with anything else here use at your own caution. As long as your not downloading torrents, movies, etc, things that are large amounts of data you should be okay x)
Tmobile doesnt charge you for overage of your bandwith, just throttle you to edge speeds after your cap is exceeded.
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Tmobile doesnt charge you for overage of your bandwith, just throttle you to edge speeds after your cap is exceeded.
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They dont charge you for overage but they can tell if your downloading large files which will lead to the suspicious that you are tethering and thus they will look up your account and determine whether you have the app or not and whether they should be charging you for the service..
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They dont charge you for overage but they can tell if your downloading large files which will lead to the suspicious that you are tethering and thus they will look up your account and determine whether you have the app or not and whether they should be charging you for the service..
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Never got a letter from them in the 3 years i've been with them about any tethering/overage issue. They always just throttle you down to edge, since it's unlimited data for 10 bucks. Unless your on a different plan?
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Never got a letter from them in the 3 years i've been with them about any tethering/overage issue. They always just throttle you down to edge, since it's unlimited data for 10 bucks. Unless your on a different plan?
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On the $30 android plan, and theres something that says if you tether, you will be charged an additional $15/mth
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Never got a letter from them in the 3 years i've been with them about any tethering/overage issue. They always just throttle you down to edge, since it's unlimited data for 10 bucks. Unless your on a different plan?
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Same story here, once I hit my limit they just choked me between 4pm & midnight.
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On the $30 android plan, and theres something that says if you tether, you will be charged an additional $15/mth
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Ya, the 30 dollar plan thats right same here, you'll be fine trust shadowch31 and me. TMobile dont give a crap if you tether or not.
So, had a talk with my TMO rep yesterday. I was bemoaning how the HD7 doesn't have a tethering feature.
She informed me they are going to start charging 14.95 a month for tethering February 1st.
Is this old news to you guys?
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So, had a talk with my TMO rep yesterday. I was bemoaning how the HD7 doesn't have a tethering feature.
She informed me they are going to start charging 14.95 a month for tethering February 1st.
Is this old news to you guys?
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Well... Unfortunately it's true. HERE is the article I found.
Oh well... Lucky for me it's built into my ROM. And I will fight it tooth and nail and play stupid if it shows up on my bill.
So with flashing a custom rom with 2.2, there's obviously the "mobile AP" function that's built into 2.2.
But my question is this: with ATT coming out with a $-per-month wireless tethering plan, will there come a time when they will be able to detect if we're using our phone's built in tethering, and automatically opt us into the $X a month plan?
Also, I've read other plans where you may get 2GB for the phone's data, and then an additional 2GB for tethered devices. How can they keep track of this? Can they tell if I am using my phone's tethering capabilities.
Obviously I'd like to continue to use my wifi tethering free of charge, and not have to pay ATT for their own service, much like Google Navigation vs ATT Navigator.
Curious about this as well. Came up in a conversation today at work. There was debate between tethering on Android and the iPhone. Any one have insight?
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Curious about this as well. Came up in a conversation today at work. There was debate between tethering on Android and the iPhone. Any one have insight?
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AT&T won't know if u tether through ur phone using android API. But u got to be careful as they can make out based on the amount of traffic u use.
Well, I can speak for the android phones but the never detected me doing it with my blackberry for the last 4 years.
Once they release their "version" I'll be able to report on the captivate as I will use it as much as possible.
Unless u have unlimited data plan, ATT should not care about it at all.
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i have the $30 grandfathered unlimited plan... i hooked up to wifi last month to download a 4.6gb torrent... they havent said anything...
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i have the $30 grandfathered unlimited plan... i hooked up to wifi last month to download a 4.6gb torrent... they havent said anything...
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Excellent example of why grandfathering will be phased out. Already doing it to the old blue plans.
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i have the $30 grandfathered unlimited plan... i hooked up to wifi last month to download a 4.6gb torrent... they havent said anything...
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But here he said "hooked to wi-fi", not cell network. Well, unless he means to have enabled tethering and connected it to his laptop.
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Excellent example of why grandfathering will be phased out. Already doing it to the old blue plans.
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This is why at&t says that max bandwidth is used by less than 1% of their network users. And for a company this big, cutting/forcing data plan on this 1% shouldn't be a big deal, even if they threaten to leave, to ensure quality service to rest of the customers.
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But here he said "hooked to wi-fi", not cell network. Well, unless he means to have enabled tethering and connected it to his laptop.
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This is why at&t says that max bandwidth is used by less than 1% of their network users. And for a company this big, cutting/forcing data plan on this 1% shouldn't be a big deal, even if they threaten to leave, to ensure quality service to rest of the customers.
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i was wifi tethering... and i checked last months usage, was wrong on the amt, i barely broke 2gb for the month, but it was all that torrent... took like 20+ hours to download it all... maybe they didnt say anything because typically i dont even break 500mb a month... only at 76mb now... who knows... i rarely tether because most places i have internet... but just casual tethering i wouldnt worry about it... not sure how they analyze the usage for each customer but i highly doubt there is an att employee watching every customer so it's gotta either be the monthly usage, huge spikes in data like i did, or both... was just saying i havent heard anything about it, and that bill has been settled... but they do catch ppl...
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This is why at&t says that max bandwidth is used by less than 1% of their network users. And for a company this big, cutting/forcing data plan on this 1% shouldn't be a big deal, even if they threaten to leave, to ensure quality service to rest of the customers.
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How about they upgrade their network to handle ALL the traffic and not keep selling/pushing devices that people use to consume data? IMO there is no abuse or "using too much" bandwidth. I bought an UNLIMITED data plan to use I see fit and use a device that has the capabilities to run apps that use bandwidth, I'm gonna use them when I want and as much as I want, and everyone that has such a device and plan should be able to. If more people would stand together and voice that they wouldn't be getting rid of the "1%". Customer service and providing a good wireless experience doesn't mean turning away customers that actually use the features that AT&T SOLD to them.
i feel like if im able to make my phone tether without their help and i have unlimited data i can do that... it's for MY USE AND ENJOYMENT.... i realize att and most customers dont feel the same, and any business model wont permit that, so im not trying to start an argument or anything... just how i feel about it all... i have an unlimited plan, that means i can use UNLIMITED DATA regardless of how i use it...
but to answer OP, stick with native android if casual tethering, just watch your back and usage... maybe look into the att plan if your gonna use it everyday
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i was wifi tethering... and i checked last months usage, was wrong on the amt, i barely broke 2gb for the month, but it was all that torrent... took like 20+ hours to download it all... maybe they didnt say anything because typically i dont even break 500mb a month... only at 76mb now... who knows... i rarely tether because most places i have internet... but just casual tethering i wouldnt worry about it... not sure how they analyze the usage for each customer but i highly doubt there is an att employee watching every customer so it's gotta either be the monthly usage, huge spikes in data like i did, or both... was just saying i havent heard anything about it, and that bill has been settled... but they do catch ppl...
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Right. Once in a while is ok. But there are some habitual consumers. Such accounts would get flagged. Cos they didn't complain when u consumed high a couple doesn't mean people aren't watching.
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How about they upgrade their network to handle ALL the traffic and not keep selling/pushing devices that people use to consume data? IMO there is no abuse or "using too much" bandwidth. I bought an UNLIMITED data plan to use I see fit and use a device that has the capabilities to run apps that use bandwidth, I'm gonna use them when I want and as much as I want, and everyone that has such a device and plan should be able to. If more people would stand together and voice that they wouldn't be getting rid of the "1%". Customer service and providing a good wireless experience doesn't mean turning away customers that actually use the features that AT&T SOLD to them.
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Right. And they could charge the unlimited at a premium price. No one expects people to download movies using phone network.
Oh wow, and now I don't want to start a war.
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Right. And they could charge the unlimited at a premium price. No one expects people to download movies using phone network.
Oh wow, and now I don't want to start a war.
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Ha... no wars here The yelling was more at AT&T for effect.
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No one expects people to download movies using phone network.
Oh wow, and now I don't want to start a war.
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Ha... no wars here The yelling was more at AT&T for effect.
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yes, please no forum fight LOL...
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yes, please no forum fight LOL...
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Yes. That would be the last thing I would want to do with my friends here
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Yes. That would be the last thing I would want to do with my friends here
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With all the customers att has I'd think you'd need an insane amount of data usage to get noticed. I have unlimited and I used 4.5 gigs last month with zero tethering. Also they may filter your usage to see if your playing an online game or something, obviously if your communicating with a WoW server or BC2 server for three hours strait you're teathering. But if your just D/Ling stuff a lot they really can't tell because your phone could realistically be doing that where as obviously it can't play BC2 ;-)
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With all the customers att has I'd think you'd need an insane amount of data usage to get noticed. I have unlimited and I used 4.5 gigs last month with zero tethering. Also they may filter your usage to see if your playing an online game or something, obviously if your communicating with a WoW server or BC2 server for three hours strait you're teathering. But if your just D/Ling stuff a lot they really can't tell because your phone could realistically be doing that where as obviously it can't play BC2 ;-)
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I agree. They don't care what u do. But they could be raising alerts to the network team if usage crosses a certain level. Certainly, many customers satisfaction in any given area is considered more than one satisfied customer. Thinking from business angle here. Most of the alerts they may not bother, but if any tower is getting overloaded, then it would create a high priority issue for them, and that is when notice of high usage could be sent to consumers choking the network.
ejmeier1 said:
So with flashing a custom rom with 2.2, there's obviously the "mobile AP" function that's built into 2.2.
But my question is this: with ATT coming out with a $-per-month wireless tethering plan, will there come a time when they will be able to detect if we're using our phone's built in tethering, and automatically opt us into the $X a month plan?
Also, I've read other plans where you may get 2GB for the phone's data, and then an additional 2GB for tethered devices. How can they keep track of this? Can they tell if I am using my phone's tethering capabilities.
Obviously I'd like to continue to use my wifi tethering free of charge, and not have to pay ATT for their own service, much like Google Navigation vs ATT Navigator.
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Technically, yes they can tell that you're tethering... but not because the tether itself sends a red flag. It's the type of traffic that your "phone" is generating that can be a dead giveaway. For example, if the user agent on your browser says it's IE8 running on Windows 7 it's pretty suspicious. If you're running p2p, gaming or any other kinds of software or data patterns that aren't really expected from your phone then it could raise a red flag. They aren't sniffing everyone's packets. However, if you are using unusually high data amounts, they could start monitoring your traffic and determine that you are most likely tethering. I guess you could deny it. I'm not sure how far you could argue that or how far they could "prove" their side.
However, they're not in the business of running customers off. They aren't looking to lose or upset a customer. If you aren't abusing the tethering (ie excessive data usage on an unlimited plan) I highly doubt that they would care or desire to upset you. I do suspect that some day they may use this as a tool to get rid of the unlimited data plans. I also suspect that if you aren't on an unlimited plan they probably would never complain, since you are paying per gb. This is all speculation on my part.
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I agree. They don't care what u do. But they could be raising alerts to the network team if usage crosses a certain level. Certainly, many customers satisfaction in any given area is considered more than one satisfied customer. Thinking from business angle here. Most of the alerts they may not bother, but if any tower is getting overloaded, then it would create a high priority issue for them, and that is when notice of high usage could be sent to consumers choking the network.
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The most they would probably even do if they did happen to single out a user for "unreasonable usage" is maybe ask you to stop or take away data unlimited. the fine print in the brochure does not say anything about cash penalties for over use it just says it will not be allowed.