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Issue: Getting MMS to work without a data plan. **Let's build support!!**

I know this has been asked 4082340238923 times probably, but nobody has asked this question exactly the way I want to, nor has anybody really given a technical answer to this isn't possible, which I'd find hard to believe anyway. Why can't MMS messages be sent without the data plan?? Is there some way to route MMS messaging through the same manor that SMS messages are received?
Nearly every other phone I've used didn't require a data plan to send them. I think it is ridiculous, especially when it comes down to dealing with two different technologies/protocols.
With people like Cyanogen, JAC, Drizzy, Stericson, Twisted, Ccyrowski, Barak, and androidspin, development of moded roms has greatly progressed. I'm shocked that this hasn't been brought up and that any solution, even if one that required wifi hasn't been found. I just want to know what we are dealing with here and to possibly build support for this concern in the community.

cephasara said:
I know this has been asked 4082340238923 times probably, but nobody has asked this question exactly the way I want to, nor has anybody really given a technical answer to this isn't possible, which I'd find hard to believe anyway. Why can't MMS messages be sent without the data plan?? Is there some way to route MMS messaging through the same manor that SMS messages are received?
Nearly every other phone I've used didn't require a data plan to send them. I think it is ridiculous, especially when it comes down to dealing with two different technologies/protocols.
With people like Cyanogen, JAC, Drizzy, Stericson, Twisted, Ccyrowski, Barak, and androidspin, development of moded roms has greatly progressed. I'm shocked that this hasn't been brought up and that any solution, even if one that required wifi hasn't been found. I just want to know what we are dealing with here and to possibly build support for this concern in the community.
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MMS is sent through APN's... find the one that sends the mms and disable the rest or talk to your service provider

B-man007 said:
MMS is sent through APN's... find the one that sends the mms and disable the rest or talk to your service provider
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Ah, I thought APNs were strictly for the data plan. I used APNdroid, which renames all of the APNs. Oddly enough I see one called "T-Mobile US", when I delete the extra characters APNdroid added to make it invalid, not only does MMS work but so does the entire data plan and I'm sure I get charged.
Even if there was a way to enable MMS through the APN's I'd probably get charged for it still.
Also, I can't talk to T-mobile because I'm sure they'll try to stick me on a data plan if they find I don't have one anyway, so I don't see that as an option.
What I'm asking is for a modification that changes the flow of traffic through wifi at least, if not something to get MMS working like it does through other phones with only a messaging/texting plan and no data plan.

cephasara said:
Ah, I thought APNs were strictly for the data plan. I used APNdroid, which renames all of the APNs. Oddly enough I see one called "T-Mobile US", when I delete the extra characters APNdroid added to make it invalid, not only does MMS work but so does the entire data plan and I'm sure I get charged.
Even if there was a way to enable MMS through the APN's I'd probably get charged for it still.
Also, I can't talk to T-mobile because I'm sure they'll try to stick me on a data plan if they find I don't have one anyway, so I don't see that as an option.
What I'm asking is for a modification that changes the flow of traffic through wifi at least, if not something to get MMS working like it does through other phones with only a messaging/texting plan and no data plan.
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u cant get it through wifi unfortunately (same reason that Visual Voicemail +tmo my account app doesnt work ) because that data is sent only through tmobile's data network. You can try to edit the apn's to only allow the mms messages to go through. i too use apndroid bcz i dont have a data plan, but i dont have mms.
Search online to find out how to edit the APN for mms for tmobile, so only mms comes through.
disable 3g so mms comes only through grps/edge
also, i know the hero roms allow u to turn off mobile data (though i still use apndroid)
dont flash the new spl unless youve flashed the newest radio!!! (just a disclaimer i have to add everytime i mention anything requiring it)

B-man007 said:
u cant get it through wifi unfortunately (same reason that Visual Voicemail +tmo my account app doesnt work ) because that data is sent only through tmobile's data network. You can try to edit the apn's to only allow the mms messages to go through. i too use apndroid bcz i dont have a data plan, but i dont have mms.
Search online to find out how to edit the APN for mms for tmobile, so only mms comes through.
disable 3g so mms comes only through grps/edge
also, i know the hero roms allow u to turn off mobile data (though i still use apndroid)
dont flash the new spl unless youve flashed the newest radio!!! (just a disclaimer i have to add everytime i mention anything requiring it)
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Well see, I haven't been able to find the correct APN setting to allow only MMS to go through. There use to be a way as mentioned by the user "dave" on this site, but T-mobile blocked it awhile ago: http://inportb.com/2008/12/29/using-a-g1-without-a-data-plan/#comment-436
So if I flashed to a Hero rom I should have support for both SMS and MMS without a data plan because Hero roms have an option to shut off the data connection?
What if I unlocked my phone and connected to an AT&T network using an AT&T APN, could I get MMS that way?
Sorry for my ignorance on any of these technicalities. I haven't seen any conclusion come to this issue, anywhere on the internet, in every android community I've been to so I want to find at least a feasible conclusion to this.

cephasara said:
Well see, I haven't been able to find the correct APN setting to allow only MMS to go through. There use to be a way as mentioned by the user "dave" on this site, but T-mobile blocked it awhile ago: http://inportb.com/2008/12/29/using-a-g1-without-a-data-plan/#comment-436
So if I flashed to a Hero rom I should have support for both SMS and MMS without a data plan because Hero roms have an option to shut off the data connection?
What if I unlocked my phone and connected to an AT&T network using an AT&T APN, could I get MMS that way?
Sorry for my ignorance on any of these technicalities. I haven't seen any conclusion come to this issue, anywhere on the internet, in every android community I've been to so I want to find at least a feasible conclusion to this.
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i dont know if it would work. i dont have a data plan nor mms. i dont see why i wouldnt work though. maybe someone will provide additional input
if you have tmobile, connecting to an ATT apn won't do you any good. the reason it has to be sent by tmobile is because its tmobiles data. att cannot access your MMS. The mms isnt sent through the regular internet, it is ONLY over mobile internet. there isnt anyway to find them online and have them downloaded. its like a phone call. you can't just find it online, its only on the carriers airwaves
EDIT: Try what dave said but with these settings
http://support.t-mobile.com/doc/tm2...ex=4&navtypeid=6&pagetypeid=7&prevPageIndex=2

B-man007 said:
i dont know if it would work. i dont have a data plan nor mms. i dont see why i wouldnt work though. maybe someone will provide additional input
if you have tmobile, connecting to an ATT apn won't do you any good. the reason it has to be sent by tmobile is because its tmobiles data. att cannot access your MMS. The mms isnt sent through the regular internet, it is ONLY over mobile internet. there isnt anyway to find them online and have them downloaded. its like a phone call. you can't just find it online, its only on the carriers airwaves
EDIT: Try what dave said but with these settings
http://support.t-mobile.com/doc/tm2...ex=4&navtypeid=6&pagetypeid=7&prevPageIndex=2
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Well I tried that, and MMS worked but so did the rest of the internet. That's the problem--MMS will work but so does the internet, so I can't help think that I'm going to get charged for that. So does that mean I was connected to the mobile internet or the data plan? I'm confused with entering that data, This is what I did:
APN: wap.voicestream.com
Server: http://mms.msg.eng.t-mobile.com/mms/wapenc
MMS proxy: 216.155.165.050
MCC: 310
MNC: 260
Is there a way somebody could create an application to help with this?? Maybe make a driver or whatever it would be called for WiFi to be used as an APN. I don't know, something to remedy this. Please! Thanks greatly for your help already, B-man.

@cephasara
do you have the data plan?

xP1GxB3N1Sx said:
@cephasara
do you have the data plan?
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No I don't. And probably connecting to the data network for short intervals like I am probably isn't a good idea, since I assume data usage adds up real quickly of which I'll get charged for.

well i dont see how you would get charged since you didnt sign up for the data package,
can you tell me which rom you are using and the settings your using
thanks

xP1GxB3N1Sx said:
well i dont see how you would get charged since you didnt sign up for the data package,
can you tell me which rom you are using and the settings your using
thanks
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Well I thought if you didn't have a data plan then you get charged by the megabyte. Am I wrong? Is there any way I can check without having T-mobile pushing one on me if I call them since it is suppose to be required?
And my settings are as described in my second to last post, I can use the default "T-mobile US" settings too which I think only varies by the "MMS port" which is 8080.
Originally I put my dad's SIM card in my phone to setup Android and he has the data plan. We're on a family plan. Maybe coming from a SIM with the data plan caused mine to glitch up, I really don't know.

you could check your tmobile account online
are you on cupcake 1.5, cyanogens, jacxrom ?
and if you do get to check your tmobile account online and there is no change
price wise then you should be good to go

xP1GxB3N1Sx said:
you could check your tmobile account online
are you on cupcake 1.5, cyanogens, jacxrom ?
and if you do get to check your tmobile account online and there is no change
price wise then you should be good to go
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Oh sorry, I'm using CyanogenMod v4.0.2
Well I just checked my account information and it says nothing about a data plan yet I'm able to connect to the internet just by the mentioned settings I used. When I click under "Billing & Payments" then click "Data" I get "There is no data use for this line.", so I guess I'm getting the data plan for free..
Still I would like to know how to send pictures without the data plan because I doubt this will last forever. And for whoever else may want MMS without having a data plan.

Well after learning a little more about this I figured out that I was obviously getting the data plan for free. I think T-Mobile was upgrading to 3G in my area or who knows why I had it free for that time, but since then it has stopped working.
I am still interested to know if anybody has luck with MMS without a data plan. I haven't been able to get MMS since the data plan stopped for me. And I'm starting to believe that Android pushes MMS through that data connection, so there would be no APN setting that would allow this to work right. But that is just my own rationalizing from experience, because the APN settings I had when I had that data network worked fine, and MMS messages were sent and received. Even after leaving them the same I am in able to send and receive MMS, but that's just my two cents back by own my trial and error, so anybody with actual logic of this situation, please, go ahead and let me know any more information about this!

g1 mms help

got a rooted g1, how do i get mms on it, need to send and receive pics and its w/ t-mobile network

If you have texting/mms with t-mobile you shouldn't need anything extra . Maybe be a little more specific?

got txt, but mms is not working....dont have data plan w/ it, try to send a mms but its just a envelop and wont receive either....

jdm99prelude said:
got txt, but mms is not working....dont have data plan w/ it, try to send a mms but its just a envelop and wont receive either....
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Check with T-Mobile and make sure that you have the unlimited texting package that includes MMS. Depending on the phone you have, you you may need the data plan as well. Either that or make sure your connected to a T-mobile 3g network. I get a network switch occaisionally that will not allow me to download my messages, or send them because I'm on another networks towers.

Yeah, what he said ^^^^, I notice when I send MMS, if I'm on wifi, I see my little 3G indicator come on for a minute (assuming so it can just send the mms faster with the data plan ) but it could be that you do need one, phone em' and ask

getting MMS to work without data plan?

Anyone know how this is possible, ive read of older ideas but they do not work anymore...
Maybe we ned different apn settings?
My friend told me he recieved picture mail without the data plan when his phone switched to at&t up north...

sassyness77 said:
Anyone know how this is possible, ive read of older ideas but they do not work anymore...
Maybe we ned different apn settings?
My friend told me he recieved picture mail without the data plan when his phone switched to at&t up north...
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your friend probably caught a glitch... when i had a blackberry i could use the internet on it without a data plan or wifi, but everything else that came with the data plan didn't work.
however, i also didn't know you had to have the data plan for mms to work. i thought this came with the messaging plan? then again i use t-mobile. i take it your on at&t or something? i have a friend who has a g1 with no data plan and he sends me picture messages. (he's also on t-mobile)

im on t mobile. i have unlimited messaging but from day 1 could never send an mms or recieve one. there used to be a have with the apns but it doesnt work anymore.

sassyness77 said:
im on t mobile. i have unlimited messaging but from day 1 could never send an mms or recieve one. there used to be a have with the apns but it doesnt work anymore.
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waaaat? i've always got them without any data plan whatsoever. and i know the people who send them to me don't have one. maybe we're just lucky and i should shut my mouth before t-mobile finds out.
edit: dunno about mytouch, though. i've always had a data plan on this. but blackberry didn't need one and nor did any other phone. but all my other phones before blackberry weren't considered "smartphones."

weird...
yeah, i cant download the mms message, pressing the button to downlad does nothing...

sassyness77 said:
yeah, i cant download the mms message, pressing the button to downlad does nothing...
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like you can't see the picture you get? or it just tells you that you have a mms and you have to download? it never asks me anything like that. i've seen another person say that they can't download mms (even with data plan because of an error), but i just get the mms without clicking download.
maybe they don't actually have a data plan, though. people here seem to tend to leave out the most important details. i don't know how to help, though. i would have put money on it you could get a picture message without a data plan as long as you had texting.

are you sure you have a G1?! ha but i thought everone had to dowload the mms before you could actually see it. Thats all ive heard and if been trying to find the answer for a year and a half! I thought it was wierd that whe my friend when up north and it switched to AT&T he was able to recieve picture messages. I get a notification that says 0 new messages which is weird...but then i have the message in the thread with only a download button. i have an "mms notification" it says when i long press and click details on the message.

anyone?
Is there other people who can recieve mms without the data plan on t mobile?
I do have unllimited messaging, and i could recieve them on everyother phone i owned except my g1.

i have a mytouch, and no i never have to click download... i gust get a new msg and it has a little paper clip on it and it shows directly up... now thats for PICTURE... ones that have music or something i have to click download but as for pictures not once have i had to download... am i supposed to have to click download on picture? lol. that's odd as hell.

What's up everyone. If u have a g1 or my touch with tmobile and u don't have a data plan and u can send and receive mms please post ur apn settings. I think that's why we are here. Thanks.

im going to bump this thread because the issue hasnt been resolved yet

If you root a mytouch can you then use MMS again? I want to get the MyTouch slide but with no data plan.

i am having the same issue except sometimes i get the pics and sometimes i don't i think it depends on the size and maybe what network the sender is on. I changed some settings and started getting pics but when I tried it again i'm not getting them. still working on it. I have a G1

I have a G1 with the new prepaid plan and no data plan, i can recieve pictures and videos but i cant send any at all. Does anyone know why?

Your phone has to have a data connection to receive MMS. With MMS, the network basically sends your phone a special SMS message containing a URL and your phone then loads the URL to retrieve the full MMS message.
You shouldn't need a data plan to use MMS as your carrier should charge visits to that URL as MMS and not regular data usage, but you do still need your carrier's APN setup in your phone.

athakur999 said:
Your phone has to have a data connection to receive MMS. With MMS, the network basically sends your phone a special SMS message containing a URL and your phone then loads the URL to retrieve the full MMS message.
You shouldn't need a data plan to use MMS as your carrier should charge visits to that URL as MMS and not regular data usage, but you do still need your carrier's APN setup in your phone.
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So, what are the APN settings for T-mobile?

I have a similar problem, I get free mms from my carrier but to receive them I need to turn on data, If its off I receive a message with download button but it says: cant download atm, try again later. If I have data on it downloads perfectly. To do this you need to have 2 apns configured, one for net and one for mms, on your provider webpage there should be the configurations you need around the suport areas, or ask someone with same phone and carrier to copy them.
My problem is that I have a data plan, and so when I turn on the data it starts synchronizing, downloading mails etc... and wastes my limited badwidth.
Now I do remember on my stock phone I used to be able to grab mms with data off.. anyone have a clue about how to do it? or some app that blocks net but not the mms?

Anyone managed to send an MMS yet

Just tried but didn't work.
Called O2 looks like there is only provisioning for data networks not MMS APNs
When you try to add an APN you get three fields
APN :
User name:
Password:
Tried putting the O2 settings in with O2 second line support and nope can't be done as no server address etc is available .
Anyone else managed to send an MMS ? Apparently some people on O2 cant even send texts due to software problems with this phone .

i've recieved an mms, not tried sending one though.

Can confirm that MMS is both receiving and sending as well as SMS

Hd7uk said:
Can confirm that MMS is both receiving and sending as well as SMS
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looks like giffgaff uses could be stuffed as it works here too, though doesn't sending a text saying 'Settings' to 2020 on giffgaff get the settings sent to the phone?
or could try the htc connection setup from the market that may get the settings for you

MMS & text working fine for me.

the op should try the HTC Setup App from the hub, select the giffgaff settings ok it all and then powercycle the phone, hopefully that should work.

Can someone please give me their or tell me what settings they have at the bottom under edit or add APN in the |Network setup as I've tried both hard reset used GiGaf and O2 Pre and Post pay settings
Thanks

Hey,
I can confirm all is working now, i am able to send and receive mms on my giffgaff sim, some reason i just had to use the htc connection setup again, selecting giffgaff and it worked fine. Didnt even have to reset the phone!!

Ok , Hard reset the phone twice and now its working .
Seems something is not quite right here but it works now

Cann't get to the internet

Ok I have a T-Mobile HTC Windows phone 8x that is unlocked. When I try to get to the internet it keeps going to the address androidapi.t-mobile.com/apppack/mvno.html . I can receive MMS messages but can't send picture messages. I have the right apn settings in the phone. I have tried help on a form that they answer that they need to take this offline and sends me a private message to call and then when I called I spent an hour on the phone with a Tech support person (being nice) has me delete my apn settings and put the same ones right back in and still now internet or picture messages. Then I let that person talk me into resetting the phone to factory settings which did nothing. Then he had me put my sim card into my sons phone which is a T-Mobile Nokia 521 with Windows phone 8 and it does not work in that phone either. By the way my sons phone has the same apn settings and can get to the internet. so after all that, that person calls T-Mobile and they decide that it has to be my phone. Which it is not. The apn setting s that I have in my phone is:
apn: wap.tracfone user name and password BLANK Proxy server (url) 216.155.165.40 Proxy Port 8080 IP type IPv4v6. Is there anybody out there that can help me out with this. I do not want to bye another phone since I have only had this one since March 2013.
OK I went back on with the chat support and the guy on there (to be unnamed) tells me that he can't help me and that I have to call the toll free number Tech Support again.
PLEASE someone help me.
Thanks
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