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I dont know if anyone else is experiencing this, but i have a att tilt with dutty's tilt rom and when i use the GPS and bluetooth, or just bluetooth or just GPS the device overheats to 105-115+ degrees. So when i am using bluetooth and or gps and its being charged the battery still runs out.
What should i do?
I noticed a similar overheating issue but the trigger for me is Live Messenger: when connected, the device gets hot very quickly and battery gets drained in a matter of hours.
My wife has an Elf, and can have Live Messenger connected for a full day, the device stays cold and battery is just fine...
yes this has happend to me with the tilt and 8525. I dont know whether this a defect or security measures from preventing the battery from overheating!
overheating---what i have seen
I just did a cross country trip with mine, here is what i saw. It didnt matter which program i used that needed gps, (co -pilot, or live search) as long as the gps was activated.
When the gps is active, the unit will start to heat up, when it reaches a certain point, it will stop charging. You can do a soft reset and the device will start charging for a bit more, but then stop charging (the charging light goes out)....
If you turn off the gps, it will continue to charge, even though it is still hot.
I put the unit in front of the air conditioned duct and after about 30 seconds, the charging light came back on and it resumed charging.
So it appears to be an intentional function that does not allow overheating of the batteries.....problem is what if you are out of juice and you need to go somewhere ?
i have a bt gps i could use instead, but it kinda defeats the purpose....
OK seems i am not alone on this,
here's my case, i mainly use my TYTN II as a modem to share internet through USB to the laptop, i notice, when i connect to 3G, it gets very hot and and the heat generated, prevented my TYTN II from recharging over the USB hence i am running a drained battery
secondly, i was using my GPS in my car. when the room temperature is low, it was ok, heat generated as normal (over heating) but recharging still going ok, but by the time i gets daylight, and the room temp in my car getting high, i notice that the heat generated by the TYTN II has once again prevented it from recharging, kind of safe mode?
Its seems like it is a security measure. I noticed, while driving on days when its very hot, i would turn on my air condition, and my 8525 would be placed in front of the air ducts. I would have my phone running slingmobile and charging for long periods of time while im jammed in afterwork traffic, and noticed that as long as the cool air was keeping the back of the phone cool, my phone would continously charge! Now when im at work and i would have my phone sitting up on my desk running slingmobile and charging, within an hour or less, the charge would stop and my light would start blinking. I touch the back of it, and guess what it blazing hot! Ive seen similar actions with my tilt as well!
Hi
I don't think there is much to be done about this. Essentially there is lot of chips packed inside a very tiny device. There are no external vents (not possible or very practical with a phone as vents would weaken the case and allow dirt in), or fans for forced cooling.
Once you start something that means the device is on and working, heat builds up.
Most electronic components can go up to quite a high temperature (so hot you couldn't hold it type temperatures) and continue to work fine, however the battery is one thing that can't be used hot due to the chemistry involved, so the charging has to stop.
It's a built in flaw due to the complexity and small size, something that will affect all similar types of device.
Regards
Phil
I had the same problem beofore when using in my car when navigating with GPS
I found it was the screen beeing on.
In Garmin Mobile XT there is a function to turn down screen and open only when there are directions comming. This made my device be at normal temp again.
I think the screen just produces allot of heat. also the sceen uses alot of electric and that heats up battery and charging hardware also
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Its seems like it is a security measure. I noticed, while driving on days when its very hot, i would turn on my air condition, and my 8525 would be placed in front of the air ducts. I would have my phone running slingmobile and charging for long periods of time while im jammed in afterwork traffic, and noticed that as long as the cool air was keeping the back of the phone cool, my phone would continously charge! Now when im at work and i would have my phone sitting up on my desk running slingmobile and charging, within an hour or less, the charge would stop and my light would start blinking. I touch the back of it, and guess what it blazing hot! Ive seen similar actions with my tilt as well!
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hi princeasi,
apparently, this has always been the case with my previous PDA's. as far as i could remember, my hermes did the same thing. i remember when i tried to use it in my room, where air con is turned off. it didn't really need a very high room temperature, it would simply stop charging. and guess what, even my atom life was the same!
Hello everybody,
i wonder if any of you encountered the problem of not charging the battery in the car while using TomTom 6. It happened to me many times and it's quite annoying because at a certain point the phone will go off and it will need to be charged while off otherwise it will not work.
Since it happened in different cars it does not depend by the charger but has to be a software problem either of WM or TomTom.
Any suggestion?
Thanks!
Panco
Buy a decent charger with at least 2A.
2A? 1A should be more than enough...
(I'm not sure you'd be able to find a 2A USB charger as the USB2.0 spec requires connectors to be rated at 1.5A tops so if there was such a beast I personally wouldn't touch it)
Mathew
Do a careful inspection of the USB connector on the phone and the car cradles/leads - my money is on a piece of cloth/fluff etc breaking the charger connection.
Today, I tried using CoPilot (with a live internet connection going for Traffic updates), with bluetooth switched on (so that I could connect with my Parrot kit in the car), and the phone on charge.
On the journey back home, CoPilot was running (and on the screen) whilst I was on a call via the Parrot. And yet, the battery was still getting charged properly! I was actually impressed that the charging would work automatically once the cable was inserted - my MDA Pro needed the display to be off before I could see the red charging light come on and for the phone to start charging.
FYI, the charger was a cigar_lighter_adapter-2-USB_cable type.
I've got an MDA Compact IV with the original ROM (but TouchFlo tweaks, etc).
So, I'd say either there's something wrong with your adapter, cable, or indeed TomTom is using a lot of juice!
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Hello everybody,
i wonder if any of you encountered the problem of not charging the battery in the car while using TomTom 6. It happened to me many times and it's quite annoying because at a certain point the phone will go off and it will need to be charged while off otherwise it will not work.
Since it happened in different cars it does not depend by the charger but has to be a software problem either of WM or TomTom.
Any suggestion?
Thanks!
Panco
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No, it does this with most GPS SW and the problem is heating preventing battery charging to avoid the battery to catch fire, especially with the the phone placed in the windscreen with the sun on it. At night the issue is no longer an issue. So when you have a break for coffee let the phone have a break too to cool down and recharge.
Or mount it infront of an air con vent
Nuri58 said:
No, it does this with most GPS SW and the problem is heating preventing battery charging to avoid the battery to catch fire, especially with the the phone placed in the windscreen with the sun on it. At night the issue is no longer an issue. So when you have a break for coffee let the phone have a break too to cool down and recharge.
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Thank for your post, i think you got the point with something (the heating of the battery+gps) preventing the battery to recharge; i'm convinced of this because the problem is not always present but it comes at certain conditions.
I'll try to let the diamond cool down at regular intervals and not to position too exposed. I also noticed that it's advisable to first connect the phone to the charger then after some minutes run the tomtom otherwise the problem is likely to happen.
Thanks to all.
Panco
There are many tool available to show you the internal temperature of the device - the battery monitor 'Batti' is one such tool (and it's free).
Give something like that a try then you'll be able to see if your problems bear any correlation with temperature.
Mathew
Im experiencing the same with Garmin, yes, it was hot...first I thought the cigarette-to-usb-adapter was not strong enough....
Will try to keep it cool
You need a USB car charger with at least 1A, as said in previous post, but with any USB cable the current limiting will be lways be 500mA.
Only the original Diamond cable will allow you to charge with currents over 500mA. To measure the charge current you can use several programs, like my TodayWarrior (as it is a plugin you will need to disable temporarilt Touch Flo or use Second Today).
It's not heating of battery, but just that when Using tomtom, with backlight, Full GPS usage, phone on and that VGA screen just pulls more than your charger can bring
Got the same issue, and yes, as said before, get a heavier charger.
I have the same problem using IGO8.
First point, using Full GPS in car will consumme a lot of energy.
So it's better to use a 2A/5V charger (5V is the important thing ... And for your information, HTC is selling 2A car charger for their last phones ...)
Second point, the GPS chip is badly placed in the phone, behind the battery.
So yes, when the GPS is used for a long time, it makes the battery hot and the phone stops the battery charging ...
The point is to use a good car craddle, one that lets the phone "breath" (one that doesn't cover to much the rear of the phone) ...
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You need a USB car charger with at least 1A, as said in previous post, but with any USB cable the current limiting will be lways be 500mA.
Only the original Diamond cable will allow you to charge with currents over 500mA. To measure the charge current you can use several programs, like my TodayWarrior (as it is a plugin you will need to disable temporarilt Touch Flo or use Second Today).
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The input sideon car chargers inclusive of HTC is 500 mA at 12 V and the output side 1A at 5V, which is what the phone requires and all car chargers I have do. But the important thing about ion-lit batteries is that they require very controlled charging conditions (contrary to the older Metal or Cadnium). E.g. If the battery is completely flat (2 V or below) it is extremely hard to recharge and will require several hours in the charger while building up the voltage to about 3.2V, only then normal charge will start. Sometimes the stand-by consumption of a phone makes it imposible to recharge it while in the phone, and requires an external recharger. This may explain the observatiobn that it is better to wait a couple of minutes before starting TT after connecting to the recharger to ensure correct initial charging.
Riel said:
It's not heating of battery, but just that when Using tomtom, with backlight, Full GPS usage, phone on and that VGA screen just pulls more than your charger can bring
Got the same issue, and yes, as said before, get a heavier charger.
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This is the way to get a battery to explode, but fortunately the phone will not allow charging to take place and adding more amps will possibly increase heating and just worsen the situation. But correct as more power the device draws as hotter it gets and as sooner charging stops.
As Nani says there is an element of disign problem (cannot be a surprice to HTC that people actually will like to use the Navigation also on long drives), so if placed so it can cool will defenetly help. So will dimming the display to the minimum.
I thought this issue was related just to me using a car/cigarette lighter charger not specific to my devices but now I am not convinced!!
I have found that with my Diamond (and previously my Kaiser) that on an extended trip in the car, on a warm-hot day, with the device stuck to the dash windscreen, and running GPS software (Tomtom) that the device gets overly hot......no kidding you would think as it is in the direct sunlight (not often in Scotland though ) HOWEVER this is not the issue, the issue is that after a while it just stops charging (~30mins), presumably as a safety mechanism to cut down the heat and to stop the Li battery, er...exploding
My question is: has anyone else had this issue? Its rather inconvenient to arrive at your holiday destination, or other, only to find that your device has been totally drained as its been running (yes it still runs!!) on battery for the last hour or two. Surely this is something HTC must look at!!
Has anyone else had this issue (I've read of a few....hence this post!) esoecially those in a warmer climate, and if not, could it be because of a better? in-dash charging system...
Last note, these device are built with GPS (supposedly for car use!), if this is a real issue then it is what I would call flaw in the device......
Appreciate all comments please (especially from HTC/battery/device charging experts)
Read that already here that the Diamond stops charging when getting too hot! It seems that this is a built in overheat protection maybe for the battery but also for all the other electronic parts. Think they´ve implement it beacause of the very slim device design where there is less room to get rid of higher temperatures to protect it.
I had this issue not on my diamond till now, its only two weeks old, but I can report similar things about my Loox 720 and have red many posts regarding hp 4700 when they where the leader on pda-market a few years ago.
Charging the battery will be stoped by the device-electronics, after reaching a curtain temperature, this is common to all LiIon-charging electronics, I think.
What I've heard about the Diamond is, that it should help to swtich of WLAN, cause it tends to develop much heat.
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Yes, initially I beleived it was to little amps from my 12V charger but I got the "to hot-not charging" tip from another tread in this forum.
As soon as my Diamond got colder it started to take charge again.
My car does not have an air conditioner and I need to put it on the dashbord to get satellite signals. I have not found a good solution yet.
stefan
PJ6363 said:
I thought this issue was related just to me using a car/cigarette lighter charger not specific to my devices but now I am not convinced!!
I have found that with my Diamond (and previously my Kaiser) that on an extended trip in the car, on a warm-hot day, with the device stuck to the dash windscreen, and running GPS software (Tomtom) that the device gets overly hot......no kidding you would think as it is in the direct sunlight (not often in Scotland though ) HOWEVER this is not the issue, the issue is that after a while it just stops charging (~30mins), presumably as a safety mechanism to cut down the heat and to stop the Li battery, er...exploding
My question is: has anyone else had this issue? Its rather inconvenient to arrive at your holiday destination, or other, only to find that your device has been totally drained as its been running (yes it still runs!!) on battery for the last hour or two. Surely this is something HTC must look at!!
Has anyone else had this issue (I've read of a few....hence this post!) esoecially those in a warmer climate, and if not, could it be because of a better? in-dash charging system...
Last note, these device are built with GPS (supposedly for car use!), if this is a real issue then it is what I would call flaw in the device......
Appreciate all comments please (especially from HTC/battery/device charging experts)
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Don't they say in the manual of every electronic device, don't put it in direct sunlight. Li-On batteries dont like to be too hot or too cold, it's not something HTC can fix I don't think, just don't leave the phone in direct sunlight.
My old Kaiser user to do this when I had to go out in the company van instead of my air conditioned car. I found folding a piece of white paper in half and using it as a "phone hat" made quite a big difference.
ljames28 said:
Don't they say in the manual of every electronic device, don't put it in direct sunlight. Li-On batteries dont like to be too hot or too cold, it's not something HTC can fix I don't think, just don't leave the phone in direct sunlight.
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LOL guys, perhaps we need to put a little parasol on the dash or maybe keep it in the glove compartment!!!
...seriously, I would like to think that this is a flaw, after all, where else can you safely put a "GPS device with street naviagation in your car"...it has to go on the w/screen or dash!!
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My question is: has anyone else had this issue?
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Yes, I've hadi the same problem. The only solution that I've found is to put the phone on a support near the car fan, so it can be cooled. Otherwise when became too hot stop charging and after half an hour the battery is totally out. !
It's a good thing, if you charge a battery in a too hot environnement, you kill it.
I can confirm this. I tried to navigate for 2 hours in my car, TD attached to my w/screen and after half an hour or shorter it shut down. And I couldn't get it on either. Wouldn't charge or anything. I had to wait a few minutes and then it would charge again. This happend two times during the same drive. After that I placed my TD infront of a fan and worked like a charm..seems like it gets to hot.
Oh yea btw. I also noticed I had, what looks like melted plastic, inside my phone after the drive (attached image)
http://www.gpsforless.co.uk/product_details.php?id=14095
something like that would be perfect. Alternatively, using something like AEButton plus to map a key to turn off the screen will help as it will lower the power consumption. you can still hear the turn by turn instructions so you can still get where you are going most of the time, and the lower power drain will allow the battery to charge for longer without the temperature protection kicking in.
What i usually do is to just putt the air-con full blast on the winshield, it is usually a better idea to keep expensive electronic equipment in the normal operating temperature range anyway,
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Oh yea btw. I also noticed I had, what looks like melted plastic, inside my phone after the drive (attached image)
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On a different note, has your Diamond received a soaking? It likes like the water-sensitive sticker (used by HTC to tell if it's suffered water damage) is red on yours which suggests it has...?
Mathew
Happened on the Tytn and Tytn II as well~
Well, I am so sad to see this is still an issue.
My 8525 (had 3) and my Tilt(s) (I have 2) and they have run into the same problem of not charging under heavy use; i.e; Backlight on, Tomtom, GPS all running.
I so hoped they would have fixed this.
ATT has replaced all the phones that developed the problem so far.
I think one of the comments about being designed for in car use is amusing especially because most (if not all) GPS software says "Do not use while driving"
Batteries do overheat, and it's better that the charging is stopped, than you having a £400 fire on your dash board!
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http://www.gpsforless.co.uk/product_details.php?id=14095
something like that would be perfect. Alternatively, using something like AEButton plus to map a key to turn off the screen will help as it will lower the power consumption. you can still hear the turn by turn instructions so you can still get where you are going most of the time, and the lower power drain will allow the battery to charge for longer without the temperature protection kicking in.
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for example in iGO 8 there is an option to turn on the screen backlight only before crossroads - settings - device and you have an option to have light olways on, device settings or inteligent state when light is always turned of after passing crossroad and turning on some x hundred meters before crossroad
beardyboy said:
My old Kaiser user to do this when I had to go out in the company van instead of my air conditioned car. I found folding a piece of white paper in half and using it as a "phone hat" made quite a big difference.
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Or, if you're more into the leather look
Yodajr said:
It's a good thing, if you charge a battery in a too hot environnement, you kill it.
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The device should stop loading, before its beeing killed. Have to take care of when its possible to load the device and when not is nothing, what I've red in any user-manual before.
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On a different note, has your Diamond received a soaking? It likes like the water-sensitive sticker (used by HTC to tell if it's suffered water damage) is red on yours which suggests it has...?
Mathew
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Hmm no. It hasn't recieved a soaking. The phone has always been dry inside my pocket . Are you sure the red "thing" indicates the phone has been suffering from water damage?
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Hmm no. It hasn't recieved a soaking. The phone has always been dry inside my pocket . Are you sure the red "thing" indicates the phone has been suffering from water damage?
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My sticker/laber is white of color, so it could be be it came in contact with a liquid.
I repair notebooks and similar sticker, labels & coatings are used that change color when the come in to contact with a liquid. I've also asked a college of mine who used to repair mobile phones and he also confirmed that the put in stickers or laber or special coatings that react to liquids so it easy for the engineer to see if the machine is valid for warranty or not.
But I can't say for sure that the sticker I see on my phone that is white (& your is red), is such a sticker that changes color wen it comes in contact with a liquid.
While using my TP2 with Tomtom as a satnav a couple of days back, I noticed the indicator light started flashing orange / green. It was in a cradle attached to the windscreen of the car and hooked up to cigaretter-lighter power. I took it off the cradle and blasted it for a few minutes with the air-conditioning and it stopped flashing and was alright for another half-hour or so, but then the flashing started again. I noticed that while the phone was flashing, the battery wasn't charging, so there was a danger it would run out, which would of course mean no more satnav.
Has anyone else experienced this problem? The TD2 does get pretty hot while being used for satnav.
With summer on the way, I think this problem is only going to get worse. Being in the windscreen, the phone gets a fair bit of heat from the sun, but my old standalone Tomtom Go never had overheating issues.
Similar thing used to happen with my Diamond as it was in direct sunlight in the car most the day. It wouldn't start flashing or anything, it would just stop charging. So I got a swivelling windscreen mounted car holder and positioned it right in front of one of the air vents. This always did the trick, especially when the air conditioning was on. Also, positioning it away from the sun is no harm.
The interesting this is, this never used to be a problem with my old Touch Pro.
I've got exactly the same problem today with my TD2 and iGO8 navigation. After half an hour the battery was extremly hot. I'm not using original HTC car charger.
Do you think that this could be the problem? Or the problem is on TD2 side :-(?
My Diamond always gets hot when using Tomtom. So it least it's consistent with other HTC products. I've changed radios and roms but it never changed the temp. when using tomtom. Always hot for me.
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My Diamond always gets hot when using Tomtom. So it least it's consistent with other HTC products. I've changed radios and roms but it never changed the temp. when using tomtom. Always hot for me.
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Weird that, the Touch Pro never suffered that problem. It's incredibly annoying because Tomtom drains the battery very quickly, so not being able to keep it charged from the cigarette lighter means it's gonna conk out in short order - you've got to notice it's not charging and then pull over so you can take it out of the cradle and blast it with the aircon. Bit of a bummer for people without aircon as well....
I might add, its important that you have a suitable car holder for your device. I used an adjustable generic holder with the squishy pads at the side for my old Diamond, and the back of the Diamond would lie flush to the holder (ie no gap at the back) This caused it to get pretty hot. So I invested in holder specifically for the Diamond that had no cushions. Also, it didn't completely wrap around the Diamond, allowing a bit of air flow. See here. Much better temperatures as a result.
iGo8 in particular is CPU intensive, so that'll cause heat. TomTom is a little bit less CPU sensitive so temps may be lower. Also, battery life is less with iGo 8.
And of course make sure unnecessary features such as WiFi are turned off whilst in the car holder. WiFi being active used to generate buckets of heat on my Diamond.
I have ordered Brodit car holder for my TD2 - this one - and I will place it near aircon fan in my car. Hope this will help ...
My D2 always gets very hot while using it for navigation for a long time. It's only since yesterday that I have the brodit active holder. Until now it would always lie on the seat next to me. I hope the brodit will keep it cooler, as air can pass on all sides. However, the brodit also charges it, so I guess that will cause extra heat....
Same here with using iGo 8 as Nav-Soft!
Same here with TomTom.
I had the same problem on my TD1 and the Cruise I.
The problem is the tempeture? I only have the problem whem the phones are in de bag from my motorcycle. When I use the Brodit in my car I don't have any problem.
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I used sat nav at the weekend, it killed the battery (hooked it to the car charger) and it got REALLy hot.
Saying that, even keeping it in my pocket, it gets quite hot.
I've got a vent mounting bracket, will try using that to keep the phone out of the sun and in the flow of air from the aircon. Might help. Never had this problem with my TP. I miss my TP.
I noticed that when I use the wireless charging of my Nokia 920, that my watch (Oceanus -- Casio actually) does not sync with the USA Atomic clock ...
I have to move the watch from the night stand where the wireless charger is to another location about 8 feet away to get it to sync. Has anyone else noticed this? I have not played with the distance needed, but it did not seem to make a difference if it was within 3 inches or 8 inches away ... but 8' works ...
I thought that the charger "shuts off" when the charging is done and then the watch should have synced later on in the night -- it tries several times a night, and the last on (at 4AM) should have been after the phone was charged and the wireless system stopped -- but I guess that it could be restarting to keep the phone charged through the night ...
Anyway, does anybody have any thoughts (or also experienced it) on the Qi charging and interference with the Atomic watch finding the time?
I vote that you write a strongly worded letter to the Atomic clock facility in Boulder, CO and tell them to fix their damn system.
Didn't try it out but the charger does not turn off - only the phone stops charging. It is still running on the power supplied from the charger instead of starting to run of the internal battery (which would start running down the battery again so the charger would have to recharge the battery which would add charging cycles that are still somewhat detremental to battery performance). It should work if you remove the phone from the charging plate though.
As to why it jams the signal from the atomic clock I can't tell you that for sure but as I always had problems to get any clocks to sync properly inside several flats it seems those signals quite often are rather weak and therefore are jammed rather easily. I guess there is no cause for concern from that.
Havnt tried this stuff lately.
http://winappleworld.com/how-wireless-charging-works/
You can check this out.
Known Interference issues
Speaking to several engineers on the topic, there are known automotive system interference issues.
Personally I can verify that my two Nokia Qi DT-900 chargers cause severe interference with outbound on-phone (non bluetooth) audio on both a Nokia Lumia 920 and an iPhone 4, just being near a non-charging but connected pad. The range of interference is several feet. Of course the iPhone is a non Qi device.
I assume muddtt is being sarcastic in the comment above.
Anyone have issues on a different pad?
A wireless charger emits a powerful magnetic field. Keep anything sensitive well out of the way.
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I noticed that when I use the wireless charging of my Nokia 920, that my watch (Oceanus -- Casio actually) does not sync with the USA Atomic clock ...
I have to move the watch from the night stand where the wireless charger is to another location about 8 feet away to get it to sync. Has anyone else noticed this? I have not played with the distance needed, but it did not seem to make a difference if it was within 3 inches or 8 inches away ... but 8' works ...
I thought that the charger "shuts off" when the charging is done and then the watch should have synced later on in the night -- it tries several times a night, and the last on (at 4AM) should have been after the phone was charged and the wireless system stopped -- but I guess that it could be restarting to keep the phone charged through the night ...
Anyway, does anybody have any thoughts (or also experienced it) on the Qi charging and interference with the Atomic watch finding the time?
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My Oceanus OCW-T400 sync flawlessly on my wrist during the night where my Nokia Qi charging pad is beside the night stand next to my bed.
Depends on the location where you place the watch to sync, sometime the propagation of radio signal vary during the day and the best should be at night. Try sync it manually in different location inside your home to find the best location.