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[Q] Switch to Captivate?

Hi all I just joined this site. I've had an iPhone 4 for about a month, and I've had a iPod Touch 1G, iPhone 3G, and iPhone 3GS before that. The point is, I'm getting TIRED of iOS lol. There is no customization unless you jailbreak. Should I try to sell the iPhone 4 on eBay and get a Captivate or should I stay with the iPhone 4. Please, unbiased opinions only. Thanks guys

Both of them are good phones. Its a HUGE dose of personal preference.
That said, i much prefer my Captivate to the first gen iPhone i had or the 3GS my dad has.
Had i not gotten the Captivate, i probably would gotten a iPhone 4. To be honest, i still almost pulled the trigger on one.
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I have never had an iPhone so I can't say that you would be better off with the Captivate. The Captivate is a great phone that has its issues, which right now most of the issues can be fixed if you are mildly smart with a computer. My wife who has no idea about that stuff or what phones can do loves her phone. I talked her out of the iPhone because I was curious about the Android platform.
The pros for me on Android is the open source and what all these smart devs can do. Right now I am running the Vibrant hybrid which is mostly vanilla w/some touchwiz UI mixed in. It is a great balance and with the exception of GPS which for me I don't use has been fast, clean and easy to use. I am also a fan of how easy the phone is to recover. You can do anything to the phone and be able to recover (the exception from what someone has mentioned is pulling the cable out while flashing the phone) which I have not tried so I cannot comment on that.
The phone is very fast and from what I have seen and my short time playing with the IP4 in the store is very comparable, with minor lag on TW 3.0 but like I said it is not getting to the point where you don't need to run that. Even if you don't change the ROM and keep TW it was good and I was happy with it. You may run different launchers to bypass that as well.
Just check it out in the store and do your own tests between the two. That is what I did to make my decision. Hope this helps a little bit.

Thanks for the replies guys. I am very familiar with jailbreak iPhones/ Unlocking them. Is rooting Android devices easy? And in a basic explanation, how would one put themes or mods on one. And also, all my music is on iTunes. Is there like an app that I sync music to Android. I really want to try out Android lol. It looks so much better with all of the customizations.

King Shady said:
Thanks for the replies guys. I am very familiar with jailbreak iPhones/ Unlocking them. Is rooting Android devices easy? And in a basic explanation, how would one put themes or mods on one.
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You wont need root to use a different launcher (change what the homescreens look and act like). Many homescreen replacements are just apps on the market. From there you can swap icons, docks, etc.
There is a one click root in the android dev. section if/when you need it.
And also, all my music is on iTunes. Is there like an app that I sync music to Android. I really want to try out Android lol. It looks so much better with all of the customizations.
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Doubletwist.
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had an experince with both Captivate and iphone 4
I am to say that iPhone 4 is still the same iOS and I got bored with it in a couple of days
Now I've been using Captivate for a month and Android still does impress me

I have a 64 GB Touch for my music and what apps aren't there for Android. The only edge IMHO that the iPhone has over the cappy is GAMES. There just aren't that many good ones for Android VS the Apple App Store. I hate having to carry both devices in my pocket.

I had an iphone 4 since day one and it is a great phone, but very limited due to the restraints Apple puts on it. My friends told me to check out the Android phones, luckily the Captivate came out before my 30 days with the iphone so I switched, after comparing both phones at the store for like 2 hours lol
I was very hesitant at first and I thought maybe I made the wrong choice and should go back to the iphone, but after a week I saw the light and I was so glad I got an Android phone lol. The Captivate is an amazing phone!! Customizable in so many ways and it comes with swype!! The Android OS has to improve still on somethings, but it has been around for much less time than iOS and it is catching up and leaving it behind very quickly. The only things that really annoy me at the moment are the lack of push notifications like on the blackberry and iphone for facebook and the email client loads pretty damn slow if it's not a gmail email.
I can't wait for Froyo to come out for this phone!!!
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lost2030 said:
I had an iphone 4 since day one and it is a great phone, but very limited due to the restraints Apple puts on it. My friends told me to check out the Android phones, luckily the Captivate came out before my 30 days with the iphone so I switched, after comparing both phones at the store for like 2 hours lol
I was very hesitant at first and I thought maybe I made the wrong choice and should go back to the iphone, but after a week I saw the light and I was so glad I got an Android phone lol. The Captivate is an amazing phone!! Customizable in so many ways and it comes with swype!! The Android OS has to improve still on somethings, but it has been around for much less time than iOS and it is catching up and leaving it behind very quickly. The only things that really annoy me at the moment are the lack of push notifications like on the blackberry and iphone for facebook and the email client loads pretty damn slow if it's not a gmail email.
I can't wait for Froyo to come out for this phone!!!
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I can help solve the facebook notifications issue. Install BLOO. It's no longer in development, but the 1.5 beta version is pretty solid and works great for notifications and facebook chat http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=679556&highlight=Bloo I've been using it for months.

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I can help solve the facebook notifications issue. Install BLOO. It's no longer in development, but the 1.5 beta version is pretty solid and works great for notifications and facebook chat http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=679556&highlight=Bloo I've been using it for months.
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Thank you!! I have Bloo, but I have the 1.4 version that is in the market, which I don't like. I had no clue that 1.5 was out!! I read that it is much better than the one on the market.
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Come to the dark side.
Honestly, I loved my iphone. If you want something new, captivate is going to be both strange and familiar, and strangely familiar. Yet if you like you iphone 4.. Flame suit on, stick with it until the dual cores come out, don't bother swapping to a similar gen phone.
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[Q] Debating on making the switch

I'm a current iPhone 3G owner and I'm due for an upgrade. I was at the AT&T store last week buying my girlfriend an iPhone4(ironic, right?) and saw the Captivate. I picked up the phone and fell in love, I love the screen, love the interface, loved everything about it. My immediate reaction was, I need to have this phone, this is going to be my upgrade. I start reading around websites and forums and all I've been reading is negative things about the Captivate.
My question is, is the Captivate an upgrade over the 3G and is there really that many issues with it? I'm growing tired of the same ole, bland ole iPhone and love the customazation available with the Cap.
Thank you.

Of cause it is an upgrade to your 2 year old iPhone 3G. This is the world of tech.
And yes, there is a lot of issues too. Because there is no perfect thing in this world.
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I came from an iphone 3G, and it is definitely an upgrade from the iphone, yet a learning curve because the 2 OS' are completely different! But so worth the switch!!
Sent From My Captivate

If youre techie prone the galaxy is for you.
From rooting, to lag fix, sideloading, tethering, etc... you'll love this phone
I know i do

skizzz said:
If youre techie prone the galaxy is for you.
From rooting, to lag fix, sideloading, tethering, etc... you'll love this phone
I know i do
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I don't think I'll have any problems with anything tech wise, reading around seeing all the issues is what really has detered me from this phone. I think I'm going to make the switch..

You won't regret it. There are fixes for most things, the only issue I have thats still nagging is the GPS problem.

Scalzone said:
My question is, is the Captivate an upgrade over the 3G and is there really that many issues with it? I'm growing tired of the same ole, bland ole iPhone and love the customazation available with the Cap.
Thank you.
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Well, yes, of course the Captivate is an upgrade over the iPhone 3G; the screen alone (nonetheless the rest of its specs) should make that obvious.
Lastly, the only problems I really know with the Captivate is some having GPS issues, and the phone experiencing lag. Otherwise, everything is pretty much an acquired taste due to the switch from iOS to Android. If the Captivate will be your first Android phone, then I can pretty much assure you that that part --switching OSes -- will be the hardest.

I came from a 3GS and felt like it was an upgrade in every possible way, except the Marketplace. It's not quite there yet, but catching up fast.
There are a lot of problems with the phone, but I will tell you this. You will probably have to go through a handset or two (maybe more in some cases) before you find one that works as you expect. Don't be shy about exchanging the handset till you strike gold and don't see anything outside of the GPS issue, which is an admitted software fix from Samsung.
Outside of that, you will be overwhelmed at first. Learning a new OS is always a bit daunting, but when it's an open source OS it's even more so. You have to get yourself into the mindset of how to do things, as opposed to if you can do them. Tons of customization and software choices. The phone really lets you flex your personalization muscles. If you don't like the browser, download a different one. If you don't like the music player, there are 10 more to take it's place.

[Q] Blackberry Development

It just crossed my mind, but I have no idea. Is development for BB possible at all? IMO it'd be pretty awesome having android on a BB. Flame as you wish, just a random though.

love my blackberry bro

Blackberries are fast rising among my friends but if it weren't for the closeness and all I'd have gotten one. Just most android keyboard phones are landscape qwerty or if its portrait qwerty its not slide :/
I want speed+keyboard.

Depends on the bb you talk about I guess. The storm 2, yes. The torch, yes. the bold/curve/pearl? Would be kinda hard/impossible since android uses the touch screen as its main input and that they don't have enough rom for android.
Either way, why would you want to put android on a bb? A bb is a premium device for bb service/messenger. Those are the main reasons people buy a bb anyways. If you eliminate the reasons, then you really shouldn't have gotten a bb at all.
Also I'm pretty sure the bbs share no common processors/hardware with any android device so that would definitely be a problem in terms of developing drivers.

The reason a number of people get blackberries are because of the great battery life and the fact that it's simplicity compared to phones that are all touchscreen and modern. They're pretty much phones for old people and stupid people. However it is damn near impossible because of the lack of common hardware.

I see I see. Well that makes sense and it was just out of curiosity. I myself have a dhd just now I realise how much I miss a keyboard. ah well swype e will do but thanks guys your reasons make sense
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z33dev33l said:
The reason a number of people get blackberries are because of the great battery life and the fact that it's simplicity compared to phones that are all touchscreen and modern. They're pretty much phones for old people and stupid people. However it is damn near impossible because of the lack of common hardware.
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What a ****load of posting...
Blackberry for old and stupid people... LMAO... I just wondered about your intelligence, then i realized you are from Texas, that explained a lot...

The people who own blackberrys are the ones who are not intelligent enough to understand any other device. The only redeeming features of those burnt out old things is BBM and the battery life. Way to generalize though, totally makes you sound intelligent.

I don't see how a bb is any different in term os simplicity to a android, winmo, WP7 phone.
Because you can't necassrily hack/customize/tweak/load a custom rom onto your bb it is simple?
Okie but lets remember that majority of smartphone users do not do any of the such, so does that mean they fall into the category of old/stupid people because they lack the curiosity to explore their device?
In terms of settings available for a bb compared to all other OSes, its the same amount, so that also can't be it.
The user interface is reminiscent of winmo with sense really so that can't be it.
If any OS is simple, i'd say it is the iOS/WP7. It's so simple it's making billions.

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I don't see how a bb is any different in term os simplicity to a android, winmo, WP7 phone.
Because you can't necassrily hack/customize/tweak/load a custom rom onto your bb it is simple?
Okie but lets remember that majority of smartphone users do not do any of the such, so does that mean they fall into the category of old/stupid people because they lack the curiosity to explore their device?
In terms of settings available for a bb compared to all other OSes, its the same amount, so that also can't be it.
The user interface is reminiscent of winmo with sense really so that can't be it.
If any OS is simple, i'd say it is the iOS/WP7. It's so simple it's making billions.
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It's more simple in the fact that it really hasnt evolved too much. I mean I can accomplish nearly the same amount on a 3-4 year old blackberry as I can today and do it with better battery life and without the almost absolute necessity to have a data plan before I can do anything. That's another thing, its a PITA to get a blackberry going without a data plan. As a whole everything feels just over-simplified and that comes from a devout WP7 follower who praises WP7 for it's perfect balance of simplicity.

That doesn't refer to simplicity at all. What you should refer to it as, it has stagnant growth, just pointing out. Well, however you said that is how you feel and that is your opinion.

Do you think IOS5 will be an overhaul?

With Android getter bigger and better seemingly by the minute and WP7's fancy interface it seems like IOS is old news, WWDC starts June 6, do you think they will unveil IOS5 there? And what do you think will be the improvements? Minor or Major?
I think Apple has the hardware already and its only gonna get better but the OS is starting to kinda age a bit, it just dosnt seem as fresh as it once was.
Im gonna keep my eye on what Apple and MS have in store as one of those will be my next choice.

Yeah im sure apple has to have something awesome up their sleeve because android is killing them( sorta). Im excited to see what they well bring as well.
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I bet ios 5 will have some pretty big changes, if not they'll just get left further behind. I'll find out soon at wwdc though.

It looks like there going to copy something from android.

I am really interested what they would copy then since all 3 OS systems are based already on each others succeses . Better to copy good then badly develope.
If it's going to be something entirely new its going to be aimed at the general public since Apples OS isnt really tweaker friendly, thats the category where Andoid is strong.

No i dont think so. Knowing apple, they don't mess up with their models or.system.too much
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They need to revamp their notification system.
Lack of push notifications is one thing I can't stand about iOS (UI wise)
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I have to agree with the posts above. I think they will revamp the whole OS. Android is getting better and better. They are going to have to do something to keep current.

IOS5
I bet it looks a lot like android lol

they are going to get stuff from android and call it a "revolution"
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The rumo(u)rs (for you brits) says that iOS5 will get better notification system and widgets. Just a rumo(u)r though.
But we all know that Apple always have a plan. Nothing they do is by coincidence.
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I hope they overhaul the interface and incorporate a few features from Android, such as a notification bar and widgets.

Also think nothing is to worry them there cult following is around tthis earth

mm android is not bad, im more like ios user lol

Here's my opinion. They have a fine line to walk. On the one hand, they can't (or won't) change too much, lest they risk alienating their "regular consumer" user base. There are things that previous posters mentioned, like better push notifications, some limitations that some Google apps have.... But they will have to something as Android is becoming very popular. You can tell Steve Jobs doesn't like it either because in one of their last earnings calls He lambasted Android and that's a cardinal rule of business, never mention the competition, especially by name. On the other they really should do something, I mean 3.5 inch screen in 2011? Really!?!!?
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One things for sure............
It will change everything..... again
tbh........ who cares what they do....
Its still gonna require you to surrender yourself to the apple way of doing things and no matter what they do the masses are going to lap it up....
Why?
Because its cool
Its got a little i at the front of the name............
And you get stickers with it
HTC never gave me stickers.....
Thats it.... petition time......
Dear HTC,
Wheres my F*****g stickers????
We dont care about locked bootloaders. We want free stickers with every product...
WHEN DO WE WANT THEM??
NAO!!!!

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One things for sure............
It will change everything..... again
tbh........ who cares what they do....
Its still gonna require you to surrender yourself to the apple way of doing things and no matter what they do the masses are going to lap it up....
Why?
Because its cool
Its got a little i at the front of the name............
And you get stickers with it
HTC never gave me stickers.....
Thats it.... petition time......
Dear HTC,
Wheres my F*****g stickers????
We dont care about locked bootloaders. We want free stickers with every product...
WHEN DO WE WANT THEM??
NAO!!!!
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I want unlocked bootloaders AND stickers!
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Typical woman..... you always want too much.....
/me runs away.......

One things for sure, everyone will buy it despite what changes they've done. Except for most of the people here.
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Typical woman..... you always want too much.....
/me runs away.......
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I haz a brick and good aim!
And I STILL want unlocked bootloaders AND stickers!
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Now I understand why people don't like android...

Hello all, I know this will sound like a rant against the phone but in reality I just want to know if others share my opinion or if I'm alone on this one thus making the "problem" me.
I recently bought an HTC sensation 4g and I have a problem called companies customizations!
My problem with sense is that it has tons of apps that I don't need: ereader, stock; or other that I need but are bloated: weather.
It's probably a seller to see big cloud on such a great screen, but on the long run I wished it opened up immediately with the hourly forecast and less fullscreen animation to drain battery.
I heard a lot of my friends that didn't like android (mostly hated samsung or htc) and I never understood why. My nexus one with stock android wasn't the prettiest phone to look at (compared to iphone) but with some customization it was quick, usable and provided more functions than pretty graphics. But now I know! With loads of extra useless apps and their contents or awkward design choices (like the not very friendly coverflow looking thing to choose backgrounds and such). Yesterday I heard from my friend that his girlfriend galaxy s came with avatar and they had a long struggle trying to remove it from the phone sd card because they didn't care about it. When I checked the phone the avatar icon was still there since they're not very tech-savvy.
Don't get me wrong I don't hate my phone, the hardware is great, the screen is better than I expected, I love android, but that extra stuff that I really don't need should have an easy way to come off, it should not be installed in a way that I can't remove it without rooting. No wonder why people hate android... it's because they mistake android for the extra load it comes with it that slows down the phone, uses their monthly data and drains their battery. Apple doesn't do that and there's a reason "normal" people tend to pick up an iphone so quickly.
I wish there was an official way to ask companies to make all this stuff optional! Please don't think that I have it with HTC or sense, I'm referencing sense because that's what I experienced this problem with. Let me know what you think maybe if others have this issue with companies, we could organize a petition or something?

That's not android its more of a service provider and hardware supplier way of getting a cut from development companies .my Samsung had a heap of unwanted bloatware and service provider crappy useless battery consuming memory hogging apps the best thing i ever did was root this phone no more random reboots battery improved by 50% and everything on the phone is what i want on it not something that the companies think or want you to have on it .So with all that said if you have patients and can do some searching on the xda forums you will find a solution to what you want to achieve on your device .Believe me if you like it now you will love it when you get it the way you want it.
Hope that help .
I moved from iphone 4 to the SGS2.
One thing i know whatever i do to this phone it can be fully restored back to stock and the warranty will still be there providing i don't brick the phone
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That's not android its more of a service provider and hardware supplier way of getting a cut from development companies.
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He said that himself
DBBGBA said:
I love android, but that extra stuff that I really don't need should have an easy way to come off, it should not be installed in a way that I can't remove it without rooting. No wonder why people hate android... it's because they mistake android for the extra load it comes with it that slows down the phone, uses their monthly data and drains their battery.
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I could not agree more with the OP. I used Nexus 1 builds on my HD2 for about 8 months and loved it. I've now got a Samsung Galaxy S2 (I just wanted a newer, faster phone, but with the same size screen), and despite being a great phone I found myself longing for that AOSP experience. I tried a couple of AOSP ROMs in the SGS2 forum and breathed a sigh of relief at how much difference they made, but they unfortunatly aren't currently stable enough to use day-in-day-out. So I've recently gone down a different route - MIUI. I've literally only done it today, and so far I'm loving it.
Anyway, I digress. There should be some manufacturers out there that recognise this gap in the market and sell basic Android phones, with no other crap on them. I know Google do that (obviously), but I wish more did the same. People shouldn't have to know how to flash a ROM or root and freeze apps, just to get the best possible basic Android experience available.
Rant over

Point taken and yes i agree.
I missed that bit as I'm half asleep
Wow i just had a read over again i apologies that i missed that whole section lol sorry for telling you how to suck eggs
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Mustoura said:
Point taken and yes i agree.
I missed that bit as I'm half asleep
Wow i just had a read over again i apologies that i missed that whole section lol sorry for telling you how to suck eggs
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Heh. I have a sneaking suspicion that you're not the 1st person to comment on a post after not reading it correctly. I reckon in the history of the internet it's happened at least 3 times

Id like to see a major manufacturer do a little experiment on there next big handset.
Supply two different versions, one with there overlay and one aosp fresh from the oven, see which one sells.
I know they are only trying to add functionality to the device but they could at least write there apps properly so they dont cause wakelocks and hog resources, hell there's a whole forum full of very competent developers im sure would be happy to help
@johncmolyneux
off topic but have you tried the latest Cm7 for the SGS2? the latest nightly is pretty complete, the devs have done a stand up job. Keep it aosp baby

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off topic but have you tried the latest Cm7 for the SGS2? the latest nightly is pretty complete, the devs have done a stand up job. Keep it aosp baby
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I've not, but I've shied away from non-standard ROMs normally. After the very favourable MIUI experience I may well give CM7 a play. I did have a sort of CM ROM on my HD2 for a while, but it looked and played pretty much like AOSP, but was blue instead of green.
Thanks for the advice

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I've not, but I've shied away from non-standard ROMs normally. After the very favourable MIUI experience I may well give CM7 a play. I did have a sort of CM ROM on my HD2 for a while, but it looked and played pretty much like AOSP, but was blue instead of green.
Thanks for the advice
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I was the same meself tried a few out and stuck with Villain, been testing CM out occasionally to see how development is going and very impressed! if i'm not mistaken Miui is based on CM so if thats working for you its party time
the main thread with the download link is in the Q&A thread in Q&A, just so you know
Was rocking Hyperdroid Cm7 on my HD2 too so i know the feeling
I think I just officially hijacked this thread! sorry OP

That's why I have a g2x, pretty much vanilla android. But then again, just take all that crap off yourself or flash a custom rom.
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What would really be the difference in the phones if they were all AOSP? Sure they've got different hardware specs, but if all had the same hardware, it'd be nearly impossible to know the difference.

Overstew said:
What would really be the difference in the phones if they were all AOSP? Sure they've got different hardware specs, but if all had the same hardware, it'd be nearly impossible to know the difference.
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Actually, that is a very valid point. People would end up buying phones purely on colour and shape, if the hardware was close enough and they were all AOSP. I do like mynamesteve's suggestion of manufacturing 2 devices - 1 with their own software and 1 with basic Android, but I can't see anyone really doing that unfortunately. I guess there isn't really a practical solution to this. Not that I can think of, anyway.
Incidentally, I like your avatar. Homage to The King. He may be dead, but his burgers most certainly are not!

Overstew said:
What would really be the difference in the phones if they were all AOSP? Sure they've got different hardware specs, but if all had the same hardware, it'd be nearly impossible to know the difference.
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Not sure you get it Sir!
aosp = stock android = no bloatware
Standard and fast for you to add what YOU want, not have crappy coded apps forced on you that are difficult to remove.
Simples

I agree...
But I think this Operating System Fragmentation is a USA problem. Sure it happens elsewhere. The problem is the carriers use the bloatware and other specialty apps as a revenue stream. So far, Apple is changing that game and Google is doing what it can but with so many handsets and the open nature of Android it's really hard to control. I won't say anything about the closed ecosystem Apple has built vs the Android Market since both have redeeming qualities as well as flaws.
I have 3 phones on my account, all android. All were rooted on first day out of the box and had all that bloatware removed, including Inception which took up too much space on the memory card.
I wish the USA would take the approach found almost everywhere else. You pick your phone, then you pick your carrier. There's lots of great stuff going on elsewhere in the world like NFC, handsets that aren't gimped by the carrier... etc.
Just IMHO.
Cheers

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Actually, that is a very valid point. People would end up buying phones purely on colour and shape, if the hardware was close enough and they were all AOSP. I do like mynamesteve's suggestion of manufacturing 2 devices - 1 with their own software and 1 with basic Android, but I can't see anyone really doing that unfortunately. I guess there isn't really a practical solution to this. Not that I can think of, anyway.
Incidentally, I like your avatar. Homage to The King. He may be dead, but his burgers most certainly are not!
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But really deep down arn't they all just android?
I will admit the overlays draw customers, I was drawn in by sense bk in the winMO days (RIP) but other than some fancy widgets its really not much better than stock.
I understand they get paid for most of the note/ereader/Doc Dre beats headphone rubbish that gets shipped so things will most likely not change
but thank you for treasures like this website.
I know tings i.e. rooting can be daunting for the beginner but if ya follow the guides and read, ya never know you might even learn something (John this wasn't directed at you at all just peeps in general i know your a kick ass developer, i read it bk n thought wtf lol)
TLDR:read it

mynamesteve said:
But really deep down arn't they all just android?
I will admit the overlays draw customers, I was drawn in by sense bk in the winMO days (RIP) but other than some fancy widgets its really not much better than stock.
I understand they get paid for most of the note/ereader/Doc Dre beats headphone rubbish that gets shipped so things will most likely not change
but thank you for treasures like this website.
I know tings i.e. rooting can be daunting for the beginner but if ya follow the guides and read, ya never know you might even learn something (John this wasn't directed at you at all just peeps in general i know your a kick ass developer, i read it bk n thought wtf lol)
TLDR:read it
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To a certain degree, yes, but the SGS2 doesn't even have the stock Android launcher available, never mind the cluster of Samsung apps that everyone seems to be freezing straight out of the box. Samsung have pretty much made it their own device, which is obviously fine, and it's still a very stock-looking experience, but just freezing apps doesn't make it AOSP unfortunately.
I think (italics because I'm not sure) that a lot of people would learn more about their device if it was a bog-standard stock Android experience from day 1. They'd try different apps and launchers etc.. I've got a friend with a Desire HD and he's never even opened the Market app. He's 0% techie, so fair enough he's not gonna undervolt and overclock the thing, but he didn't even realise he had a satnav device! I don't want to turn this into a xxx manufacturer against yyy manufacturer, but certain other devices on the market are popular because of what they can do. I think Android is being sold short by not making it obvious how far it can go. That, I believe, is partly down to having a device loaded with apps that obscure the possibilities.
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BTW, thanks for the compliment, but I'm simply a developer. This place has far more kick ass developers than me!

I have to say, if it wasn't for HTC I wouldn't have an android phone.
Tried a Nexus ROM on my HD2, really hated it. Tried the SGS2, really couldn't get on with it (nice screen though).
I can understand and respect that many people do like aosp, and I'm glad that we have the options available to us.
My stock sensation is fast and sense 3 is lovely and polished.
I really wish carriers (apparently mostly in the US) didn't take a fast phone and turn it into something reportedly sluggish though.

johncmolyneux said:
To a certain degree, yes, but the SGS2 doesn't even have the stock Android launcher available, never mind the cluster of Samsung apps that everyone seems to be freezing straight out of the box. Samsung have pretty much made it their own device, which is obviously fine, and it's still a very stock-looking experience, but just freezing apps doesn't make it AOSP unfortunately.
I think (italics because I'm not sure) that a lot of people would learn more about their device if it was a bog-standard stock Android experience from day 1. They'd try different apps and launchers etc.. I've got a friend with a Desire HD and he's never even opened the Market app. He's 0% techie, so fair enough he's not gonna undervolt and overclock the thing, but he didn't even realise he had a satnav device! I don't want to turn this into a xxx manufacturer against yyy manufacturer, but certain other devices on the market are popular because of what they can do. I think Android is being sold short by not making it obvious how far it can go. That, I believe, is partly down to having a device loaded with apps that obscure the possibilities.
Rant over
BTW, thanks for the compliment, but I'm simply a developer. This place has far more kick ass developers than me!
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Sadly no it doesnt make it aosp and as the user above pointed out theres a lot of fragmentation in android, manufactures are messing with the core of the system and not just building an overlay/launcher.
Sometimes this works sometimes this doesn't i do feel alot of the resources could be used to better the stock system, better all round compatibility, better drivers and make android better for all there users. but thats like asking for world peace, and im no CEO of a major corp so what do i know
But i know how it works in the real world, i gave my sister my HD2 and she doesnt care what Rom is on there as long as it looks nice and everything is there out the box. (cant believe i gave her the most versitile handset on the planet with that attitude but thats beside the point )
The OS ease is very important to people and i understand that for a non-tecky, i think that is also part of the reason why we cant have stock out the box, the 'mobile market' needs the icon on his device to begin with so the manufacturers try to supply that, but do it very badly.
Phew! sorry about that.

I also much prefer AOSP.
I loved sense on winmo but I absolutely detest the android equivalent.
Touchwiz is just plain vile and as jcm mentioned the SGS2 is lacking that really stable aosp experience....
Luckily though if your unhappy with your phone and need to make changes then your in the right place
No I haven't missed the op's point about wanting more customisation out of the box but I just wanted to make the point that every single resource you need to achieve whatever you want to do with your phone (within reason) is right here under your nose.
I now have a rom for my phone that is (nearly) exactly how I want it, no Touchwiz, less bloat, all the cool little tweaks that our talented devs have given us and all it took was one day of reading and a lot of trial and error...... it was fun too.
Sure I cheated and used a kitchen but hey, gotta start somewhere right.
Anyway I digress, my point is that we can all wish for HTC/samsung etc to start catering for our every need until we are blue in the face but they won't.
Sometimes you just have to roll up you're sleeves and do things for yourself.
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I now have a rom for my phone that is (nearly) exactly how I want it, no Touchwiz, less bloat, all the cool little tweaks that our talented devs have given us and all it took was one day of reading and a lot of trial and error...... it was fun too.
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And are you planning on releasing this? You've had my dev work. It's only fair I have yours

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And are you planning on releasing this? You've had my dev work. It's only fair I have yours
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Actually I very nearly did but you know how many zip file heroes there are in that section. Do we really need another?
That and I'm too lazy to update it for each new firmware that trickles out.
I think I will release one though, probably with a very tongue in cheek OP....
And yes, I and a lot of others had many, many hours of enjoyment from your work so thanks for that
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