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WinMo to Android?

Hey Guys!!!
Ive been a Winmo user for a very long time now and currently using an Htc HD2,
I have been offered the chance to trade my phone with an unlocked Nexus One running a 2.2 Froyo,but the deal is i dont have enough knowledge on Androids.
I can manage myself with all winmo devices like flashing roms,games ,apps etc.
Is the Android OS the same?what adjustment will i face?

gejenn said:
Hey Guys!!!
Ive been a Winmo user for a very long time now and currently using an Htc HD2,
I have been offered the chance to trade my phone with an unlocked Nexus One running a 2.2 Froyo,but the deal is i dont have enough knowledge on Androids.
I can manage myself with all winmo devices like flashing roms,games ,apps etc.
Is the Android OS the same?what adjustment will i face?
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Just one adjustment, similar to adjusting from a village hole-in-ground toilet to a 5-star penthouse restroom with a built-in hooker.
Yeah. You'll learn to endure it.

If you want to try Android you can just try the port for the HD2

An even trade??? You're the winner with that trade. WinMo is junk compared to. Android 2.2.
Sent from my Nexus One

xPatriicK said:
If you want to try Android you can just try the port for the HD2
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Thats what im waiting for also,its not an even trade,its my hd2 plus $200 cash.
maybe soon the hd2 will have the stable android OS from the developers here.

I was in a simular boat, and found Android an easy progressive fun transition! Tons of support threads here, so go for it and never look back!

There is a learning curve that's for sure. but you should go on with this trade while this person is still on drugs.

I used WinMo for a long time before Android although I think starting Android as soon as it launched eased the curve but you wont regret it, words can't express how much more fun, faster, more stable and ultimately easier Android is to use than WinMo.
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HD2 AND $200? I dunno about that.. see if you can haggle it down some.

Well I was in the same position as the OP. I built my own custom roms for WinMo and had an extensive knowledge about hacking them....
Then I came to Android
Now I don't have to. Vanilla Android on the Nexus One is just simply amazing. I never get fustrated waiting for it to open an app or wish it did something differently. I've unlocked the bootloader on my old phone and did the SD Card Trick on my new one to gain root access and play around with custom roms... but the kicker is I like the Stock OS the best.
Right now I am running a "custom" stock firmware which is rooted and uses a black taskbar theme... but it doesn't contain any extra apps or features.
I can't scream loud enough to express how I feel for the awesomeness of Android. The OS is a dream. Customizable to no end. Very easy to replace default dialers, messaging apps, facebook apps, launchers, etc. I know a few friends with N1's and they all look completely different. I love it.
I've used Windows Mobile all the way from 2002, popped in on Blackberries from time to time, Symbian, and touched the iPhone long enough to realize it sucks.... but Android is just amazing. I couldn't recommend any other OS. Even my non-techie wife has her Android all tricked out. Its just easy to do.

2.2 brings in full fucntionality with exchange support, making it a viable alternative to winmo for enterprise users. If you are a power user, now is the time to convert.

I've owned WinMo and iPhone previously. People always compare Android to the latter. But Android really reminds me of what WinMo could have been if Microsoft had a clue. I think you will adjust without a problem. Go for it!

bigmout said:
Android really reminds me of what WinMo could have been if Microsoft had a clue. I think you will adjust without a problem. Go for it!
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x2 - always how I've felt about it. I switched from winmo to android, N1 being my first device. You won't look back, and with windows mobile 7 looking the way it is, I doubt you'll be wanting to jump back in their bed anytime soon.

Go for it without any hesitations. They are not even comparable. You are about to trade Zaporozhets for an Audi. You will not look back.

bpm2000 said:
x2 - always how I've felt about it. I switched from winmo to android, N1 being my first device. You won't look back, and with windows mobile 7 looking the way it is, I doubt you'll be wanting to jump back in their bed anytime soon.
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+1. N1 was my first android as well

lilchip85 said:
+1. N1 was my first android as well
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Mine too, best choice I have ever made!

I say stick with winmo 6.5.
Far superior.

JCopernicus said:
I say stick with winmo 6.5.
Far superior.
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Do you do anything except troll?

You get three guesses as to who I'm refering to!
khaytsus said:
Do you do anything except troll?
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Yes, I point out people who have no sense of humor.

Do it. Make the switch. I did. Will never go back.
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[Q] Should i change my captivate for the iphone 4?

i made a thread earlier but it was closed, the point of my thread is that i dont know if i should change my captivate for the iphone. i like them both but i dont know which is better and i cant decide

That is a matter of preference and need. My guess is that you want the captivate instead because u asked the question in a captivate forum where bias will obviously be involved, which tells me sub consciously you have already chosen. Not meant as a flame or sarcasm
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If you are not interested in messing around with roms and a custom experience go with the iPhone. If you like tweaking things and experimentation then there is no comparison stick with the captivate
Captivate
Cog 2.2

Nerz said:
That is a matter of preference and need. My guess is that you want the captivate instead because u asked the question in a captivate forum where bias will obviously be involved, which tells me sub consciously you have already chosen. Not meant as a flame or sarcasm
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The reason im posting this here is because im having a hard time deciding which one is best so i havent chosen yet but im kind of aiming for the iphone 4 but i kinda like the captivate too they are great phones but im really interested in applications and android does not have many. i like iphone because of the dedication they give to their products

Louwolfie said:
The reason im posting this here is because im having a hard time deciding which one is best so i havent chosen yet but im kind of aiming for the iphone 4 but i kinda like the captivate too they are great phones but im really interested in applications and android does not have many. i like iphone because of the dedication they give to their products
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Neither is *the best*. They both have their pros and cons. As said before me, it does come down to personal preference. The Apple App Store does have the upper hand in terms of the sheer amount of apps and the delivery system. It is better then the Android Market as much as I hate to admit.
The deciding factor for me is this: Apple has lost me as a customer. Every year they release an update to a product and then stop supporting the previous model. I dislike locked down hardware and proprietary bull****. The only reason I would ever run OSX is because now I can do it on a Hackintosh and have BETTER performance with my choice of hardware. That so-called "dedication they give to their products" only last a year to a year and a half tops.
I love open-source. I love Android. Everytime I go to use my iTouch, I always end up cursing at it. It just isn't a pleasant experience for me. Android over iOS anyday.

Louwolfie said:
The reason im posting this here is because im having a hard time deciding which one is best so i havent chosen yet but im kind of aiming for the iphone 4 but i kinda like the captivate too they are great phones but im really interested in applications and android does not have many. i like iphone because of the dedication they give to their products
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You don't have a Captivate, yet it is a good phone, but you like the iPhone because Apple has more dedication? I think you should just buy the iPhone...

Louwolfie said:
The reason im posting this here is because im having a hard time deciding which one is best so i havent chosen yet but im kind of aiming for the iphone 4 but i kinda like the captivate too they are great phones but im really interested in applications and android does not have many. i like iphone because of the dedication they give to their products
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Eh, catastrophic PDF exploits and no copy/paste for a year doesn't sound like dedication to me.
I'm confused as to how apple got this reputation. Clearly they have it, I just don't get it
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kegobeer said:
You don't have a Captivate, yet it is a good phone, but you like the iPhone because Apple has more dedication? I think you should just buy the iPhone...
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Please read the op. He said he has a Captivate but is wondering if he should exchange.
fatttire said:
Eh, catastrophic PDF exploits and no copy/paste for a year doesn't sound like dedication to me.
I'm confused as to how apple got this reputation. Clearly they have it, I just don't get it
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The reputation comes from their legion of "fashionable" fanboys.
Sent from my Captivate

Louwolfie said:
i like iphone because of the dedication they give to their products
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The iPhone 3G started having issues with iOS 3.0 when the 3GS was released only a year after the 3G's release.
The iPhone 3GS started having major performance issues (and overheating issues) with iOS 4.0 when the iPhone 4 was released a year after that, and the 3G was pretty much unusable with 4.0 at that point.
What do you think will happen next year when the fifth iPhone comes out?
Their 'dedication' is an illusion; they have planned obsolescence.
That said, like others have stated above, if you like tweaking your phone, the Captivate is a good choice. I'd add that if you do not like tweaking your phone, the Captivate is a pretty terrible choice.
The iPhone 4 works out of the box rather well. You're not going to get much beyond that, but you get more out of the box than most. Its hardware features are matched by very, very few phones (LED flash, FFC, noise cancelling mic, working GPS, good back camera, etc).
Its OS, even with jailbreaking and Winterboard, just doesn't compare to the level of customization with android devices.
Also, I don't know what your definition of many is, but >120,000 is a pretty big number to me. At this point, the sheer number of apps for both iOS and Android are meaningless numbers. The vast majority of apps on both platforms are useless or redundant, except for games, where iPhone tends to get titles first, if android gets them at all.

Now I understand why people don't like android...

Hello all, I know this will sound like a rant against the phone but in reality I just want to know if others share my opinion or if I'm alone on this one thus making the "problem" me.
I recently bought an HTC sensation 4g and I have a problem called companies customizations!
My problem with sense is that it has tons of apps that I don't need: ereader, stock; or other that I need but are bloated: weather.
It's probably a seller to see big cloud on such a great screen, but on the long run I wished it opened up immediately with the hourly forecast and less fullscreen animation to drain battery.
I heard a lot of my friends that didn't like android (mostly hated samsung or htc) and I never understood why. My nexus one with stock android wasn't the prettiest phone to look at (compared to iphone) but with some customization it was quick, usable and provided more functions than pretty graphics. But now I know! With loads of extra useless apps and their contents or awkward design choices (like the not very friendly coverflow looking thing to choose backgrounds and such). Yesterday I heard from my friend that his girlfriend galaxy s came with avatar and they had a long struggle trying to remove it from the phone sd card because they didn't care about it. When I checked the phone the avatar icon was still there since they're not very tech-savvy.
Don't get me wrong I don't hate my phone, the hardware is great, the screen is better than I expected, I love android, but that extra stuff that I really don't need should have an easy way to come off, it should not be installed in a way that I can't remove it without rooting. No wonder why people hate android... it's because they mistake android for the extra load it comes with it that slows down the phone, uses their monthly data and drains their battery. Apple doesn't do that and there's a reason "normal" people tend to pick up an iphone so quickly.
I wish there was an official way to ask companies to make all this stuff optional! Please don't think that I have it with HTC or sense, I'm referencing sense because that's what I experienced this problem with. Let me know what you think maybe if others have this issue with companies, we could organize a petition or something?

That's not android its more of a service provider and hardware supplier way of getting a cut from development companies .my Samsung had a heap of unwanted bloatware and service provider crappy useless battery consuming memory hogging apps the best thing i ever did was root this phone no more random reboots battery improved by 50% and everything on the phone is what i want on it not something that the companies think or want you to have on it .So with all that said if you have patients and can do some searching on the xda forums you will find a solution to what you want to achieve on your device .Believe me if you like it now you will love it when you get it the way you want it.
Hope that help .
I moved from iphone 4 to the SGS2.
One thing i know whatever i do to this phone it can be fully restored back to stock and the warranty will still be there providing i don't brick the phone
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Mustoura said:
That's not android its more of a service provider and hardware supplier way of getting a cut from development companies.
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He said that himself
DBBGBA said:
I love android, but that extra stuff that I really don't need should have an easy way to come off, it should not be installed in a way that I can't remove it without rooting. No wonder why people hate android... it's because they mistake android for the extra load it comes with it that slows down the phone, uses their monthly data and drains their battery.
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I could not agree more with the OP. I used Nexus 1 builds on my HD2 for about 8 months and loved it. I've now got a Samsung Galaxy S2 (I just wanted a newer, faster phone, but with the same size screen), and despite being a great phone I found myself longing for that AOSP experience. I tried a couple of AOSP ROMs in the SGS2 forum and breathed a sigh of relief at how much difference they made, but they unfortunatly aren't currently stable enough to use day-in-day-out. So I've recently gone down a different route - MIUI. I've literally only done it today, and so far I'm loving it.
Anyway, I digress. There should be some manufacturers out there that recognise this gap in the market and sell basic Android phones, with no other crap on them. I know Google do that (obviously), but I wish more did the same. People shouldn't have to know how to flash a ROM or root and freeze apps, just to get the best possible basic Android experience available.
Rant over

Point taken and yes i agree.
I missed that bit as I'm half asleep
Wow i just had a read over again i apologies that i missed that whole section lol sorry for telling you how to suck eggs
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Mustoura said:
Point taken and yes i agree.
I missed that bit as I'm half asleep
Wow i just had a read over again i apologies that i missed that whole section lol sorry for telling you how to suck eggs
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Heh. I have a sneaking suspicion that you're not the 1st person to comment on a post after not reading it correctly. I reckon in the history of the internet it's happened at least 3 times

Id like to see a major manufacturer do a little experiment on there next big handset.
Supply two different versions, one with there overlay and one aosp fresh from the oven, see which one sells.
I know they are only trying to add functionality to the device but they could at least write there apps properly so they dont cause wakelocks and hog resources, hell there's a whole forum full of very competent developers im sure would be happy to help
@johncmolyneux
off topic but have you tried the latest Cm7 for the SGS2? the latest nightly is pretty complete, the devs have done a stand up job. Keep it aosp baby

mynamesteve said:
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off topic but have you tried the latest Cm7 for the SGS2? the latest nightly is pretty complete, the devs have done a stand up job. Keep it aosp baby
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I've not, but I've shied away from non-standard ROMs normally. After the very favourable MIUI experience I may well give CM7 a play. I did have a sort of CM ROM on my HD2 for a while, but it looked and played pretty much like AOSP, but was blue instead of green.
Thanks for the advice

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I've not, but I've shied away from non-standard ROMs normally. After the very favourable MIUI experience I may well give CM7 a play. I did have a sort of CM ROM on my HD2 for a while, but it looked and played pretty much like AOSP, but was blue instead of green.
Thanks for the advice
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I was the same meself tried a few out and stuck with Villain, been testing CM out occasionally to see how development is going and very impressed! if i'm not mistaken Miui is based on CM so if thats working for you its party time
the main thread with the download link is in the Q&A thread in Q&A, just so you know
Was rocking Hyperdroid Cm7 on my HD2 too so i know the feeling
I think I just officially hijacked this thread! sorry OP

That's why I have a g2x, pretty much vanilla android. But then again, just take all that crap off yourself or flash a custom rom.
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What would really be the difference in the phones if they were all AOSP? Sure they've got different hardware specs, but if all had the same hardware, it'd be nearly impossible to know the difference.

Overstew said:
What would really be the difference in the phones if they were all AOSP? Sure they've got different hardware specs, but if all had the same hardware, it'd be nearly impossible to know the difference.
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Actually, that is a very valid point. People would end up buying phones purely on colour and shape, if the hardware was close enough and they were all AOSP. I do like mynamesteve's suggestion of manufacturing 2 devices - 1 with their own software and 1 with basic Android, but I can't see anyone really doing that unfortunately. I guess there isn't really a practical solution to this. Not that I can think of, anyway.
Incidentally, I like your avatar. Homage to The King. He may be dead, but his burgers most certainly are not!

Overstew said:
What would really be the difference in the phones if they were all AOSP? Sure they've got different hardware specs, but if all had the same hardware, it'd be nearly impossible to know the difference.
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Not sure you get it Sir!
aosp = stock android = no bloatware
Standard and fast for you to add what YOU want, not have crappy coded apps forced on you that are difficult to remove.
Simples

I agree...
But I think this Operating System Fragmentation is a USA problem. Sure it happens elsewhere. The problem is the carriers use the bloatware and other specialty apps as a revenue stream. So far, Apple is changing that game and Google is doing what it can but with so many handsets and the open nature of Android it's really hard to control. I won't say anything about the closed ecosystem Apple has built vs the Android Market since both have redeeming qualities as well as flaws.
I have 3 phones on my account, all android. All were rooted on first day out of the box and had all that bloatware removed, including Inception which took up too much space on the memory card.
I wish the USA would take the approach found almost everywhere else. You pick your phone, then you pick your carrier. There's lots of great stuff going on elsewhere in the world like NFC, handsets that aren't gimped by the carrier... etc.
Just IMHO.
Cheers

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Actually, that is a very valid point. People would end up buying phones purely on colour and shape, if the hardware was close enough and they were all AOSP. I do like mynamesteve's suggestion of manufacturing 2 devices - 1 with their own software and 1 with basic Android, but I can't see anyone really doing that unfortunately. I guess there isn't really a practical solution to this. Not that I can think of, anyway.
Incidentally, I like your avatar. Homage to The King. He may be dead, but his burgers most certainly are not!
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But really deep down arn't they all just android?
I will admit the overlays draw customers, I was drawn in by sense bk in the winMO days (RIP) but other than some fancy widgets its really not much better than stock.
I understand they get paid for most of the note/ereader/Doc Dre beats headphone rubbish that gets shipped so things will most likely not change
but thank you for treasures like this website.
I know tings i.e. rooting can be daunting for the beginner but if ya follow the guides and read, ya never know you might even learn something (John this wasn't directed at you at all just peeps in general i know your a kick ass developer, i read it bk n thought wtf lol)
TLDR:read it

mynamesteve said:
But really deep down arn't they all just android?
I will admit the overlays draw customers, I was drawn in by sense bk in the winMO days (RIP) but other than some fancy widgets its really not much better than stock.
I understand they get paid for most of the note/ereader/Doc Dre beats headphone rubbish that gets shipped so things will most likely not change
but thank you for treasures like this website.
I know tings i.e. rooting can be daunting for the beginner but if ya follow the guides and read, ya never know you might even learn something (John this wasn't directed at you at all just peeps in general i know your a kick ass developer, i read it bk n thought wtf lol)
TLDR:read it
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To a certain degree, yes, but the SGS2 doesn't even have the stock Android launcher available, never mind the cluster of Samsung apps that everyone seems to be freezing straight out of the box. Samsung have pretty much made it their own device, which is obviously fine, and it's still a very stock-looking experience, but just freezing apps doesn't make it AOSP unfortunately.
I think (italics because I'm not sure) that a lot of people would learn more about their device if it was a bog-standard stock Android experience from day 1. They'd try different apps and launchers etc.. I've got a friend with a Desire HD and he's never even opened the Market app. He's 0% techie, so fair enough he's not gonna undervolt and overclock the thing, but he didn't even realise he had a satnav device! I don't want to turn this into a xxx manufacturer against yyy manufacturer, but certain other devices on the market are popular because of what they can do. I think Android is being sold short by not making it obvious how far it can go. That, I believe, is partly down to having a device loaded with apps that obscure the possibilities.
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BTW, thanks for the compliment, but I'm simply a developer. This place has far more kick ass developers than me!

I have to say, if it wasn't for HTC I wouldn't have an android phone.
Tried a Nexus ROM on my HD2, really hated it. Tried the SGS2, really couldn't get on with it (nice screen though).
I can understand and respect that many people do like aosp, and I'm glad that we have the options available to us.
My stock sensation is fast and sense 3 is lovely and polished.
I really wish carriers (apparently mostly in the US) didn't take a fast phone and turn it into something reportedly sluggish though.

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To a certain degree, yes, but the SGS2 doesn't even have the stock Android launcher available, never mind the cluster of Samsung apps that everyone seems to be freezing straight out of the box. Samsung have pretty much made it their own device, which is obviously fine, and it's still a very stock-looking experience, but just freezing apps doesn't make it AOSP unfortunately.
I think (italics because I'm not sure) that a lot of people would learn more about their device if it was a bog-standard stock Android experience from day 1. They'd try different apps and launchers etc.. I've got a friend with a Desire HD and he's never even opened the Market app. He's 0% techie, so fair enough he's not gonna undervolt and overclock the thing, but he didn't even realise he had a satnav device! I don't want to turn this into a xxx manufacturer against yyy manufacturer, but certain other devices on the market are popular because of what they can do. I think Android is being sold short by not making it obvious how far it can go. That, I believe, is partly down to having a device loaded with apps that obscure the possibilities.
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BTW, thanks for the compliment, but I'm simply a developer. This place has far more kick ass developers than me!
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Sadly no it doesnt make it aosp and as the user above pointed out theres a lot of fragmentation in android, manufactures are messing with the core of the system and not just building an overlay/launcher.
Sometimes this works sometimes this doesn't i do feel alot of the resources could be used to better the stock system, better all round compatibility, better drivers and make android better for all there users. but thats like asking for world peace, and im no CEO of a major corp so what do i know
But i know how it works in the real world, i gave my sister my HD2 and she doesnt care what Rom is on there as long as it looks nice and everything is there out the box. (cant believe i gave her the most versitile handset on the planet with that attitude but thats beside the point )
The OS ease is very important to people and i understand that for a non-tecky, i think that is also part of the reason why we cant have stock out the box, the 'mobile market' needs the icon on his device to begin with so the manufacturers try to supply that, but do it very badly.
Phew! sorry about that.

I also much prefer AOSP.
I loved sense on winmo but I absolutely detest the android equivalent.
Touchwiz is just plain vile and as jcm mentioned the SGS2 is lacking that really stable aosp experience....
Luckily though if your unhappy with your phone and need to make changes then your in the right place
No I haven't missed the op's point about wanting more customisation out of the box but I just wanted to make the point that every single resource you need to achieve whatever you want to do with your phone (within reason) is right here under your nose.
I now have a rom for my phone that is (nearly) exactly how I want it, no Touchwiz, less bloat, all the cool little tweaks that our talented devs have given us and all it took was one day of reading and a lot of trial and error...... it was fun too.
Sure I cheated and used a kitchen but hey, gotta start somewhere right.
Anyway I digress, my point is that we can all wish for HTC/samsung etc to start catering for our every need until we are blue in the face but they won't.
Sometimes you just have to roll up you're sleeves and do things for yourself.
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conantroutman said:
I now have a rom for my phone that is (nearly) exactly how I want it, no Touchwiz, less bloat, all the cool little tweaks that our talented devs have given us and all it took was one day of reading and a lot of trial and error...... it was fun too.
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And are you planning on releasing this? You've had my dev work. It's only fair I have yours

johncmolyneux said:
And are you planning on releasing this? You've had my dev work. It's only fair I have yours
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Actually I very nearly did but you know how many zip file heroes there are in that section. Do we really need another?
That and I'm too lazy to update it for each new firmware that trickles out.
I think I will release one though, probably with a very tongue in cheek OP....
And yes, I and a lot of others had many, many hours of enjoyment from your work so thanks for that
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Do you really wan't cyanogenmod on your HTC Vivid?

An HTC without sense is like a ZR-1 with a 4cyl engine...
Now before you go and start screaming HOW DARE YOU!!!, relax,
and think for a moment, Why did you buy the VIVId ?
was you thinking how CM would run on it or you liked the style that sense offers?
I personally love the looks and widgets that sense offers and I thick CM Or aOSP lack many features.
Do you like the Zr-1 with all the works or you want the Lotus elise without even AC?
now Scream>>>>>>!!!!!

Because some people like the style and the features of the Vivid. And a lot of people like a CM over sense, but still like sense in general (like me.) And having cm would open up the door for aosp roms, miui, etc. I didn't buy my sgs2 plainly for touchwiz, I bought it because of the great potential in this device, and the vivid (pretty much every HTC phone) has a lot of potential.
And I'd take the Lotus, I don't drive American cars.... just my opinion
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See your point, it comes down to your personal taste.
I think the Samsung wiz is not a ll that different from aosp and looks too much like the fruit company. And I really hate the fruit company because of that "we are the best don't even try to change it you pay me to loan you the item " attitude.
and I still think that even being American, the ZR1 will eat the lotus.... jejeje..

I have a vivid (velocity) because work issued me with one... It is the first 4G phone for Australia and we wanted to test it for work (Hell, at least I'm not the guy who had to get an iphone) I cannot wait for CM or AOSP, imho, sense is clunky and it feels old compated to cm and miui, this phone feels slower than my htc hd2, even basic features that ADW and launcherpro have had for ages, changing the grid size, adjusting widget sizes, more robust toggles in the status tray... it feels to me that HTC are going in the wrong direction with sense.

carlosjcar said:
An HTC without sense is like a ZR-1 with a 4cyl engine...
Now before you go and start screaming HOW DARE YOU!!!, relax,
and think for a moment, Why did you buy the VIVId ?
was you thinking how CM would run on it or you liked the style that sense offers?
I personally love the looks and widgets that sense offers and I thick CM Or aOSP lack many features.
Do you like the Zr-1 with all the works or you want the Lotus elise without even AC?
now Scream>>>>>>!!!!!
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That´s awesome that you started a post to make an irrelevant comparison ROMS and cars. But let me do you a favor and make it relevant again.
I bought a Vivid because it has what I was looking for with hardware, the software can be upgraded as I see fit. Would you ever mod the exhaust or intake or headers or anything on your Elise without altering the car´s computer configuration? I certainly hope not.
As someone mentioned earlier, it´s about personal preference. Some people might want the Elise because of what it comes with stock, some people will buy it for what it CAN be with the proper tuning. So enjoy sense as long as you want it, I will endure it as long as I have to.
And a quick FYI, AC units weigh a hell of a lot, so it´s usually part of the stage 3 weight reduction kits for cars.

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and I still think that even being American, the ZR1 will eat the lotus.... jejeje..
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It would definitely
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I get the fact that some people <3 sense forever.
But If I could get a ZR-1 that could switch off 4 -cylinders (change roms) and run without the sense-v8, like a modern HEMI, for when I want to save fuel(battery) and I'm in bumper to bumper email territory, that would provide the most appealing from both worlds.

I'd like to have the choice either way. Loved Sense 2; Sense 3 was fine, Sense 3.5 looks a bit like a "meh" revision of 3. Want to see Sense 4 before I decide whether or not to keep it.
I liked having CM on my Galaxy S, but I like Sense more than AOSP Gingerbread.
carlosjcar said:
and I still think that even being American, the ZR1 will eat the lotus.... jejeje..
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ZR1's a pile of poo. Car's made out of plastic, rear-wheel-drive and an inefficient shouty V8. Consider the Lotus Elise, comes remarkably close in performance since it can actually take a corner, and runs on a 1.8L Toyota engine to boot. Looks a damn sight nicer too, and costs half as much.
If I had the money to burn on a ZR1, I'd go for a far more elegant version of its package: Mercedes Benz's C63 AMG Black coupe, for slightly less money to boot.
But, since I'm a sane and normal man, I'd rather get the Audi RS5 or the Audi R8 V10 Spyder. I'd rather drive an Impreza WRX STi than the Vette, to be honest.
Yes, I'm an American too.

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I'd like to have the choice either way. Loved Sense 2; Sense 3 was fine, Sense 3.5 looks a bit like a "meh" revision of 3. Want to see Sense 4 before I decide whether or not to keep it.
I liked having CM on my Galaxy S, but I like Sense more than AOSP Gingerbread.
ZR1's a pile of poo. Car's made out of plastic, rear-wheel-drive and an inefficient shouty V8. Consider the Lotus Elise, comes remarkably close in performance since it can actually take a corner, and runs on a 1.8L Toyota engine to boot. Looks a damn sight nicer too, and costs half as much.
If I had the money to burn on a ZR1, I'd go for a far more elegant version of its package: Mercedes Benz's C63 AMG Black coupe, for slightly less money to boot
But, since I'm a sane and normal man, I'd rather get the Audi RS5 or the Audi R8 V10 Spyder. I'd rather drive an Impreza WRX STi than the Vette, to be honest.
Yes, I'm an American too.
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I'd drive an s2000. 230+ horsepower from an i4 + rwd + light as hell = fun
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Honestly for screen beauty, and build quality.... And yes i want cm for the sheer speed and i want ics. Sense has some nice feauturss... And i would take it over touchwiz any day, but I'm afraid it bloats and slows more than that sweetness is worth to me.
And if i want features gimme MIUI. I'd take that over any manufacturers skin any day

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I'd drive an s2000. 230+ horsepower from an i4 + rwd + light as hell = fun
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I drive an A5 myself, so I already classify myself as "enjoying life". I can't personally warrant blowing upwards of $60k on a car.

Can anyone give me a good reason why i shouldnt lock this thread?

nuke it from orbit

I don't understand why anyone would want miui. If I want my phone to look like an iphone ill buy one (cold day in hell).
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msimindlessmsi2 said:
I don't understand why anyone would want miui. If I want my phone to look like an iphone ill buy one (cold day in hell).
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Have you ever tried it out? It's really quite interesting... Not as bad as I thought it might be. I remember giving people crap for using that iOS look a like. But once I actually tried it out it wasn't half bad. Of course, I ended up reverting back to sense, but it was cool to try it out for a little while.
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I used miui because it was really polished, and very quick, there are plenty of themes that look nothing like iphone (like a theme that makes your whole phone look like a borderlands computer, complete with holograms and rusty corregated iron, that was my favorite)
It is just really nice, everything is easy and logical, and yet you still have access to all of the awesome android apps
Music player was great, could retreive lyrics and art, built in popups for sms messages and quick replies, a logically arranged settings menu, built in firewall, built in data counter, no app drawer to deal with which I liked, persistant app row on the bottom of the app screen good for 4 to 7 apps to be anchored there, hold down home and it shows you running apps, hold down the back key and it kills any app thats crashed... it is a totally sweet system, well worth looking at not just passing it off as an iphone clone.
Also... some people really like the iphone look (I like the interface, its well made) but want the flexability and open access of a rooted android, and thats what you get with MIUI, its not for everyone, but it deffinetely appeals to me

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Can anyone give me a good reason why i shouldnt lock this thread?
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There is some decent discussion, but its mostly off topic from a trolling post.. No offense to actual contributors, but im locking this. Reading through the first few posts of this thread make my head hurt..

And on the seventh day God created HTC Sense...

And just how happy were the Samsung people? Click here...
I can get the devs "sense" of achievement but the hundreds of followers comments of yipeeeeeee, and awesome... etc etc etc ... Why not just buy an HTC?
I am near the end of my 3 month trial of a Nexus S and it has lasted pricisely 2 weeks, its up for sale. I just do not like it. Its featureless and slow. My Desire HD -using rcmix runny- is so much smoother and quicker to the touch I just don't get how they done so well. On Saturdy, else before, I will pickup my Evo 3d dual core and go again -after 4 years- with htc. At $330 (£229 in Asda UK), I just can't say no.
I know there are lots of fans out there for Samsung, but what do you like about it?
Me on Nexus S. Buttons, wkd for reboots to recovery when had to rip battery out. Nice and easy. Like the longer thinner screen too. And Amoled is very good. That is it.

I think you're confusing 'Samsung' with Vanilla Android. What you experienced with the Nexus S isn't your normal Samsung experience. The Nexus phones are pure, unadulterated Android. They may seem plain to some but they're designed to be. They are developers phones. They're easy to mod, to theme and easy to use.
If i bought a Nexus S i would have MIUI on it in a heartbeat personally, but that's the whole point of what we do here. Buy a phone you like and have it your way. Vanilla, Sense, MIUI, iphone themed... whatever. I can understand wanting a Nexus S and putting Sense on it, if you're a fan of both!
Some people buy HTC but get rid of Sense as quickly as humanly possible. Different strokes for different folks.

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I think you're confusing 'Samsung' with Vanilla Android. What you experienced with the Nexus S isn't your normal Samsung experience. The Nexus phones are pure, unadulterated Android. They may seem plain to some but they're designed to be. They are developers phones. They're easy to mod, to theme and easy to use.
If i bought a Nexus S i would have MIUI on it in a heartbeat personally, but that's the whole point of what we do here. Buy a phone you like and have it your way. Vanilla, Sense, MIUI, iphone themed... whatever. I can understand wanting a Nexus S and putting Sense on it, if you're a fan of both!
Some people buy HTC but get rid of Sense as quickly as humanly possible. Different strokes for different folks.
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Another example of Samsung letting someone else do all the work. MIUI -for me- is boring, too much concentration on being an iphone rather than itself. I used to use first MIUI roms when it took weeks to get a translation out of Shen. It might be time to try it again.
I am one of the ones that strips Sense immediately. The point was that my HD runs faster and smoother with sense that the NS runs without it at all. I tried many roms and the lag is terrible, as was the stock rom. Now performance with the Oxygen or absolution roms... That is special. I just think the build quality is better. I guess I am disappointed with no singing OR dancing.
Orb3000, if you are around please explain what it is about HTC that we love so much.

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Another example of Samsung letting someone else do all the work. .
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lolwut?! I don't think you understood, They're phones 'promoted' by google, with clean android, it's how they're meant to be, in no way is that Samsung letting someone else do all the work?! What's all the work?! All UI's from manafacture's are for android, which is what the Nexus S has, just not skined, the Nexus One, that didn't have any custom UI, does that mean HTC is letting someone else do all the work. And finally, by another.. What else have they done?

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Dude, I used to love Sense. I owned an HTC Desire, and even Sense 2.1 lagged on it.
Then, I realized, Sense sucks. It's heavy, really bloated and makes Android look like sh!t! Yes, even on Gingerbread. It's really bad. I agree, it does have some cool features, like the People app on Sense is unmatched, but, still, I prefer stock Android waaaaaay better.
Now, I have a Nexus S. And I absolutely love it. Why aren't you using ICS? It's much faster than Gingerbread. And much much better. I love my Nexus S and will never change it with an HTC.
And the reason that people buy Samsung, is that it has better hardware than HTC. Just look at SGS II or SG Note. They eat Sensation and Rezound for breakfast.
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Not sure dude. I think that Samsung were cute using the Tegra 2 for those models and you will see a big swing this year when htc have the t3 inside. In bothe phone and tablet. The actual feel of an htc in your hand is much better i reckon. The nexus s and sg2 seem plasticy.
I have the cm9 kali ics on now.It is the only one of all the ICS's I can install and not spend 1hr putting things right on. its ok, but nothing like as quick as my DHD with sense on and loaded with apps, but that's on GB.
Ah well. I'm not sure what I expected from it really. The fact that i do mess with my own roms and knew what I would makes me the stupid one. If ur happy ur happy. I just wanted something different.

and the lord saw that it was a bloated resource hogging abomination and cast it into the lake of fire...
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lolwut?! I don't think you understood, They're phones 'promoted' by google, with clean android, it's how they're meant to be, in no way is that Samsung letting someone else do all the work?! What's all the work?! All UI's from manafacture's are for android, which is what the Nexus S has, just not skined, the Nexus One, that didn't have any custom UI, does that mean HTC is letting someone else do all the work. And finally, by another.. What else have they done?
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Im one of those people that stripped sense out as much as possible. Last years HTC phones were a disappointmet, I can't stand those 16:9 dimensions. Hopefully this year they make a decent phone with a 4:5 and 4.5" screen. Until then it'll be Samsungs.

m1l4droid said:
Dude, I used to love Sense. I owned an HTC Desire, and even Sense 2.1 lagged on it.
Then, I realized, Sense sucks. It's heavy, really bloated and makes Android look like sh!t! Yes, even on Gingerbread. It's really bad. I agree, it does have some cool features, like the People app on Sense is unmatched, but, still, I prefer stock Android waaaaaay better.
Now, I have a Nexus S. And I absolutely love it. Why aren't you using ICS? It's much faster than Gingerbread. And much much better. I love my Nexus S and will never change it with an HTC.
And the reason that people buy Samsung, is that it has better hardware than HTC. Just look at SGS II or SG Note. They eat Sensation and Rezound for breakfast.
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I have to totally disagree with you there old bean
Sense is lovely, it's so smooth and logical. I find it usable where as I find plain android horrible so would never have a nexus.
As for hardware, yes the SGS II screen is nice, but the phone feels really cheap and brittle to me, I'd be worried about sitting down and snapping it. I don't have such issues with the sensation and prefer the higher resolution screen.
It's one of the huge advantages Android has over other phone OSs, there's so much variety and customisation available pretty much everyone's desires can be met.