And just how happy were the Samsung people? Click here...
I can get the devs "sense" of achievement but the hundreds of followers comments of yipeeeeeee, and awesome... etc etc etc ... Why not just buy an HTC?
I am near the end of my 3 month trial of a Nexus S and it has lasted pricisely 2 weeks, its up for sale. I just do not like it. Its featureless and slow. My Desire HD -using rcmix runny- is so much smoother and quicker to the touch I just don't get how they done so well. On Saturdy, else before, I will pickup my Evo 3d dual core and go again -after 4 years- with htc. At $330 (£229 in Asda UK), I just can't say no.
I know there are lots of fans out there for Samsung, but what do you like about it?
Me on Nexus S. Buttons, wkd for reboots to recovery when had to rip battery out. Nice and easy. Like the longer thinner screen too. And Amoled is very good. That is it.
I think you're confusing 'Samsung' with Vanilla Android. What you experienced with the Nexus S isn't your normal Samsung experience. The Nexus phones are pure, unadulterated Android. They may seem plain to some but they're designed to be. They are developers phones. They're easy to mod, to theme and easy to use.
If i bought a Nexus S i would have MIUI on it in a heartbeat personally, but that's the whole point of what we do here. Buy a phone you like and have it your way. Vanilla, Sense, MIUI, iphone themed... whatever. I can understand wanting a Nexus S and putting Sense on it, if you're a fan of both!
Some people buy HTC but get rid of Sense as quickly as humanly possible. Different strokes for different folks.
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I think you're confusing 'Samsung' with Vanilla Android. What you experienced with the Nexus S isn't your normal Samsung experience. The Nexus phones are pure, unadulterated Android. They may seem plain to some but they're designed to be. They are developers phones. They're easy to mod, to theme and easy to use.
If i bought a Nexus S i would have MIUI on it in a heartbeat personally, but that's the whole point of what we do here. Buy a phone you like and have it your way. Vanilla, Sense, MIUI, iphone themed... whatever. I can understand wanting a Nexus S and putting Sense on it, if you're a fan of both!
Some people buy HTC but get rid of Sense as quickly as humanly possible. Different strokes for different folks.
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Another example of Samsung letting someone else do all the work. MIUI -for me- is boring, too much concentration on being an iphone rather than itself. I used to use first MIUI roms when it took weeks to get a translation out of Shen. It might be time to try it again.
I am one of the ones that strips Sense immediately. The point was that my HD runs faster and smoother with sense that the NS runs without it at all. I tried many roms and the lag is terrible, as was the stock rom. Now performance with the Oxygen or absolution roms... That is special. I just think the build quality is better. I guess I am disappointed with no singing OR dancing.
Orb3000, if you are around please explain what it is about HTC that we love so much.
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lolwut?! I don't think you understood, They're phones 'promoted' by google, with clean android, it's how they're meant to be, in no way is that Samsung letting someone else do all the work?! What's all the work?! All UI's from manafacture's are for android, which is what the Nexus S has, just not skined, the Nexus One, that didn't have any custom UI, does that mean HTC is letting someone else do all the work. And finally, by another.. What else have they done?
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Dude, I used to love Sense. I owned an HTC Desire, and even Sense 2.1 lagged on it.
Then, I realized, Sense sucks. It's heavy, really bloated and makes Android look like sh!t! Yes, even on Gingerbread. It's really bad. I agree, it does have some cool features, like the People app on Sense is unmatched, but, still, I prefer stock Android waaaaaay better.
Now, I have a Nexus S. And I absolutely love it. Why aren't you using ICS? It's much faster than Gingerbread. And much much better. I love my Nexus S and will never change it with an HTC.
And the reason that people buy Samsung, is that it has better hardware than HTC. Just look at SGS II or SG Note. They eat Sensation and Rezound for breakfast.
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Not sure dude. I think that Samsung were cute using the Tegra 2 for those models and you will see a big swing this year when htc have the t3 inside. In bothe phone and tablet. The actual feel of an htc in your hand is much better i reckon. The nexus s and sg2 seem plasticy.
I have the cm9 kali ics on now.It is the only one of all the ICS's I can install and not spend 1hr putting things right on. its ok, but nothing like as quick as my DHD with sense on and loaded with apps, but that's on GB.
Ah well. I'm not sure what I expected from it really. The fact that i do mess with my own roms and knew what I would makes me the stupid one. If ur happy ur happy. I just wanted something different.
and the lord saw that it was a bloated resource hogging abomination and cast it into the lake of fire...
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lolwut?! I don't think you understood, They're phones 'promoted' by google, with clean android, it's how they're meant to be, in no way is that Samsung letting someone else do all the work?! What's all the work?! All UI's from manafacture's are for android, which is what the Nexus S has, just not skined, the Nexus One, that didn't have any custom UI, does that mean HTC is letting someone else do all the work. And finally, by another.. What else have they done?
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Im one of those people that stripped sense out as much as possible. Last years HTC phones were a disappointmet, I can't stand those 16:9 dimensions. Hopefully this year they make a decent phone with a 4:5 and 4.5" screen. Until then it'll be Samsungs.
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Dude, I used to love Sense. I owned an HTC Desire, and even Sense 2.1 lagged on it.
Then, I realized, Sense sucks. It's heavy, really bloated and makes Android look like sh!t! Yes, even on Gingerbread. It's really bad. I agree, it does have some cool features, like the People app on Sense is unmatched, but, still, I prefer stock Android waaaaaay better.
Now, I have a Nexus S. And I absolutely love it. Why aren't you using ICS? It's much faster than Gingerbread. And much much better. I love my Nexus S and will never change it with an HTC.
And the reason that people buy Samsung, is that it has better hardware than HTC. Just look at SGS II or SG Note. They eat Sensation and Rezound for breakfast.
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I have to totally disagree with you there old bean
Sense is lovely, it's so smooth and logical. I find it usable where as I find plain android horrible so would never have a nexus.
As for hardware, yes the SGS II screen is nice, but the phone feels really cheap and brittle to me, I'd be worried about sitting down and snapping it. I don't have such issues with the sensation and prefer the higher resolution screen.
It's one of the huge advantages Android has over other phone OSs, there's so much variety and customisation available pretty much everyone's desires can be met.
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I currently own a Nexus S and love it. I just wanted to get your opinions on The G2X and how it may compare to the NS. Aside from lacking gingerbread, what other potential downsides am i looking at? What are the upsides? I'm just looking for constructive feedback. No Flame throwing
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I currently own a Nexus S and love it. I just wanted to get your opinions on The G2X and how it may compare to the NS. Aside from lacking gingerbread, what other potential downsides am i looking at? What are the upsides? I'm just looking for constructive feedback. No Flame throwing
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The Nexus S beats it in every department except video recording, so its up to you what you deem important
Nexus S is fast, amazing screen and housing which make the phone when off look like a black slab of coal, also when the phone is on the blacks stay that colour, so you dont know where the screen starts and finishes...
The Nexus S is the real deal mate, i cant see anything living up to its quality, except for maybe the SGSII
JD
Im having the same problem. But im also wondering between my Nexus s, the new T-Mobile G2X and upcoming HTC Pyramid.
My opinion.
Nexus s - Love this phone, have nothing bad to say, never had all the issues everyone was having (rebooting).
T-Mobile G2X - Reviews say the phone is sluggish for a phone with dual core, but it might be due to the custom UI. The G2X comes with stock gingerbread which is a plus but how how easy will this be to developers to root and install custom rom. Have never had a LG phone and dont know how the quality is.
HTC Pyramid - Still needs to be released but the spec looks amazing and I love HTC quality (nexus one). Recently HTC had not been too nice to devs. with G2 and Thunderbolt.
Wait til all the phone get released and then see what happens, see what fits for me.
nexus s is the real deal....unless yours is with tmobile....then in 2 years...its useless (unless you enjoy using a smartphone for 2g)
thats just a techinicality, most of us will move on by then, but the gx2 needs some more time before we can dive into it. but its dual core and 4g, cant really hate on that. ofcourse battery life can be a good fight (im on 22hrs and 30minutes on my nexus s right now and its still at 15%)
amoled screen is another thing...the fact that it doesnt have gingerbread is not abig deal at all, from what i read this is reaallly stock android with the exception of some apps, not skins or UI
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Im having the same problem. But im also wondering between my Nexus s, the new T-Mobile G2X and upcoming HTC Pyramid.
My opinion.
Nexus s - Love this phone, have nothing bad to say, never had all the issues everyone was having (rebooting).
T-Mobile G2X - Reviews say the phone is sluggish for a phone with dual core, but it might be due to the custom UI. The G2X comes with stock gingerbread which is a plus but how how easy will this be to developers to root and install custom rom. Have never had a LG phone and dont know how the quality is.
HTC Pyramid - Still needs to be released but the spec looks amazing and I love HTC quality (nexus one). Recently HTC had not been too nice to devs. with G2 and Thunderbolt.
Wait til all the phone get released and then see what happens, see what fits for me.
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The Pyramid is the one that I'm waiting to see more about.
Yeah i hope we are able to see some hands-on vids today. I agree that only time will tell if its a winner or not. Those specs do make it seem like a beast of a phone though, and stock android has a significant place in my heart.
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Yeah i hope we are able to see some hands-on vids today. I agree that only time will tell if its a winner or not. Those specs do make it seem like a beast of a phone though, and stock android has a significant place in my heart.
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I definitely would not buy anything less that a screen with AMOLED. I was a HTC fanatic, i owned the HTC Desire, Nexus One, Desire Z (G2) and the HD. But once you convert to Samsung you never look back, i could never have a SLCD screen again(greyish blacks yuk)...
But i do miss Sense sometimes, and i know that's a contentious issue in this forum as there are so many Sense haters here, but i like having the choice to mix up my ROM's by having stock for a few months then Sense for a few months.. With the Nexus S your pretty much restricted to stock or MIUI, But thank god for the MIUI release, its invigorated the dev forum. Lots of kernels and same-ish ROM's, thank god we have something new to play with
JD
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I definitely would not buy anything less that a screen with AMOLED. I was a HTC fanatic, i owned the HTC Desire, Nexus One, Desire Z (G2) and the HD. But once you convert to Samsung you never look back, i could never have a SLCD screen again(greyish blacks yuk)...
But i do miss Sense sometimes, and i know that's a contentious issue in this forum as there are so many Sense haters here, but i like having the choice to mix up my ROM's by having stock for a few months then Sense for a few months.. With the Nexus S your pretty much restricted to stock or MIUI, But thank god for the MIUI release, its invigorated the dev forum. Lots of kernels and same-ish ROM's, thank god we have something new to play with
JD
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I used to feel the same way when I had my Epic 4G. I thought I could put up with anything for a SAMOLED but then I started playing with an Evo. Sure, the screen as quite as brilliant but a great screen does not a device make. I've made my opinion on Sense clear but I won't dis on someone else's enjoyment of it (doesn't mean I don't get tired of seeing new threads pop up asking for it). The only thing that would really make me not want to get a Pyramid is if the bootloader is as locked down as the Thunderbolt but something tells me that was something Verizon wanted but that is a personal hunch supported by absolutely no evidence so don't quote me on it. I could easily give up the SAMOLED, hell it makes me feel more comfortable running bright themes and I think it helps devs want to make them.
Anyone concerned with the issues of these phones not being future proof. These phones not working once att get a hold of tmobile.
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Anyone concerned with the issues of these phones not being future proof. These phones not working once att get a hold of tmobile.
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That's not 100% true. They will work fine, you just won't get 3G.
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That's not 100% true. They will work fine, you just won't get 3G.
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But dont you think thats a big issue.
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Anyone concerned with the issues of these phones not being future proof. These phones not working once att get a hold of tmobile.
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This article explains that it might be future-proof. I hope its true
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Anyone concerned with the issues of these phones not being future proof. These phones not working once att get a hold of tmobile.
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That's most likely a year or more from now. By then you'd have replaced your phone anyways.
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But dont you think thats a big issue.
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I wouldn't say its a big issue. I'm usually on wifi. Sure EDGE sucks but its better than nothing and it is still completely functional.
Hardware aside... doesn't anyone else find this phone to be massively ugly?
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/03/lgg2xhandson.jpg
That dead space where the capacitive buttons are just looks way too 1990's to me...
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Hardware aside... doesn't anyone else find this phone to be massively ugly?
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/03/lgg2xhandson.jpg
That dead space where the capacitive buttons are just looks way too 1990's to me...
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Yeah, thats ugly, defo
JD
hands on:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/22/t-mobile-g2x-from-lg-hands-on-video/
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hands on:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/22/t-mobile-g2x-from-lg-hands-on-video/
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It is waaaaay faster than the 2x was when they reviewed it.
dinan said:
Hardware aside... doesn't anyone else find this phone to be massively ugly?
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/03/lgg2xhandson.jpg
That dead space where the capacitive buttons are just looks way too 1990's to me...
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i dont find it ugly at all.. just the bottom of the phone is a little bit exaggerated and could of added more screen size rather than having blank spots; probably something internal of the phone hardware that prevented that or they didnt want to overextend the screen size
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It is waaaaay faster than the 2x was when they reviewed it.
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Well... it looks snappy, but it's quite obvious the video is sped up. I know for a fact people's fingers don't move like that, all jittery lol. And if it's really using stock android, that stock launcher should animate just like our stock launcher, and it's way too fast in the video (opening the app drawer etc).
Hello all, I know this will sound like a rant against the phone but in reality I just want to know if others share my opinion or if I'm alone on this one thus making the "problem" me.
I recently bought an HTC sensation 4g and I have a problem called companies customizations!
My problem with sense is that it has tons of apps that I don't need: ereader, stock; or other that I need but are bloated: weather.
It's probably a seller to see big cloud on such a great screen, but on the long run I wished it opened up immediately with the hourly forecast and less fullscreen animation to drain battery.
I heard a lot of my friends that didn't like android (mostly hated samsung or htc) and I never understood why. My nexus one with stock android wasn't the prettiest phone to look at (compared to iphone) but with some customization it was quick, usable and provided more functions than pretty graphics. But now I know! With loads of extra useless apps and their contents or awkward design choices (like the not very friendly coverflow looking thing to choose backgrounds and such). Yesterday I heard from my friend that his girlfriend galaxy s came with avatar and they had a long struggle trying to remove it from the phone sd card because they didn't care about it. When I checked the phone the avatar icon was still there since they're not very tech-savvy.
Don't get me wrong I don't hate my phone, the hardware is great, the screen is better than I expected, I love android, but that extra stuff that I really don't need should have an easy way to come off, it should not be installed in a way that I can't remove it without rooting. No wonder why people hate android... it's because they mistake android for the extra load it comes with it that slows down the phone, uses their monthly data and drains their battery. Apple doesn't do that and there's a reason "normal" people tend to pick up an iphone so quickly.
I wish there was an official way to ask companies to make all this stuff optional! Please don't think that I have it with HTC or sense, I'm referencing sense because that's what I experienced this problem with. Let me know what you think maybe if others have this issue with companies, we could organize a petition or something?
That's not android its more of a service provider and hardware supplier way of getting a cut from development companies .my Samsung had a heap of unwanted bloatware and service provider crappy useless battery consuming memory hogging apps the best thing i ever did was root this phone no more random reboots battery improved by 50% and everything on the phone is what i want on it not something that the companies think or want you to have on it .So with all that said if you have patients and can do some searching on the xda forums you will find a solution to what you want to achieve on your device .Believe me if you like it now you will love it when you get it the way you want it.
Hope that help .
I moved from iphone 4 to the SGS2.
One thing i know whatever i do to this phone it can be fully restored back to stock and the warranty will still be there providing i don't brick the phone
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That's not android its more of a service provider and hardware supplier way of getting a cut from development companies.
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He said that himself
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I love android, but that extra stuff that I really don't need should have an easy way to come off, it should not be installed in a way that I can't remove it without rooting. No wonder why people hate android... it's because they mistake android for the extra load it comes with it that slows down the phone, uses their monthly data and drains their battery.
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I could not agree more with the OP. I used Nexus 1 builds on my HD2 for about 8 months and loved it. I've now got a Samsung Galaxy S2 (I just wanted a newer, faster phone, but with the same size screen), and despite being a great phone I found myself longing for that AOSP experience. I tried a couple of AOSP ROMs in the SGS2 forum and breathed a sigh of relief at how much difference they made, but they unfortunatly aren't currently stable enough to use day-in-day-out. So I've recently gone down a different route - MIUI. I've literally only done it today, and so far I'm loving it.
Anyway, I digress. There should be some manufacturers out there that recognise this gap in the market and sell basic Android phones, with no other crap on them. I know Google do that (obviously), but I wish more did the same. People shouldn't have to know how to flash a ROM or root and freeze apps, just to get the best possible basic Android experience available.
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Point taken and yes i agree.
I missed that bit as I'm half asleep
Wow i just had a read over again i apologies that i missed that whole section lol sorry for telling you how to suck eggs
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Mustoura said:
Point taken and yes i agree.
I missed that bit as I'm half asleep
Wow i just had a read over again i apologies that i missed that whole section lol sorry for telling you how to suck eggs
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Heh. I have a sneaking suspicion that you're not the 1st person to comment on a post after not reading it correctly. I reckon in the history of the internet it's happened at least 3 times
Id like to see a major manufacturer do a little experiment on there next big handset.
Supply two different versions, one with there overlay and one aosp fresh from the oven, see which one sells.
I know they are only trying to add functionality to the device but they could at least write there apps properly so they dont cause wakelocks and hog resources, hell there's a whole forum full of very competent developers im sure would be happy to help
@johncmolyneux
off topic but have you tried the latest Cm7 for the SGS2? the latest nightly is pretty complete, the devs have done a stand up job. Keep it aosp baby
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off topic but have you tried the latest Cm7 for the SGS2? the latest nightly is pretty complete, the devs have done a stand up job. Keep it aosp baby
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I've not, but I've shied away from non-standard ROMs normally. After the very favourable MIUI experience I may well give CM7 a play. I did have a sort of CM ROM on my HD2 for a while, but it looked and played pretty much like AOSP, but was blue instead of green.
Thanks for the advice
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I've not, but I've shied away from non-standard ROMs normally. After the very favourable MIUI experience I may well give CM7 a play. I did have a sort of CM ROM on my HD2 for a while, but it looked and played pretty much like AOSP, but was blue instead of green.
Thanks for the advice
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I was the same meself tried a few out and stuck with Villain, been testing CM out occasionally to see how development is going and very impressed! if i'm not mistaken Miui is based on CM so if thats working for you its party time
the main thread with the download link is in the Q&A thread in Q&A, just so you know
Was rocking Hyperdroid Cm7 on my HD2 too so i know the feeling
I think I just officially hijacked this thread! sorry OP
That's why I have a g2x, pretty much vanilla android. But then again, just take all that crap off yourself or flash a custom rom.
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What would really be the difference in the phones if they were all AOSP? Sure they've got different hardware specs, but if all had the same hardware, it'd be nearly impossible to know the difference.
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What would really be the difference in the phones if they were all AOSP? Sure they've got different hardware specs, but if all had the same hardware, it'd be nearly impossible to know the difference.
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Actually, that is a very valid point. People would end up buying phones purely on colour and shape, if the hardware was close enough and they were all AOSP. I do like mynamesteve's suggestion of manufacturing 2 devices - 1 with their own software and 1 with basic Android, but I can't see anyone really doing that unfortunately. I guess there isn't really a practical solution to this. Not that I can think of, anyway.
Incidentally, I like your avatar. Homage to The King. He may be dead, but his burgers most certainly are not!
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What would really be the difference in the phones if they were all AOSP? Sure they've got different hardware specs, but if all had the same hardware, it'd be nearly impossible to know the difference.
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Not sure you get it Sir!
aosp = stock android = no bloatware
Standard and fast for you to add what YOU want, not have crappy coded apps forced on you that are difficult to remove.
Simples
I agree...
But I think this Operating System Fragmentation is a USA problem. Sure it happens elsewhere. The problem is the carriers use the bloatware and other specialty apps as a revenue stream. So far, Apple is changing that game and Google is doing what it can but with so many handsets and the open nature of Android it's really hard to control. I won't say anything about the closed ecosystem Apple has built vs the Android Market since both have redeeming qualities as well as flaws.
I have 3 phones on my account, all android. All were rooted on first day out of the box and had all that bloatware removed, including Inception which took up too much space on the memory card.
I wish the USA would take the approach found almost everywhere else. You pick your phone, then you pick your carrier. There's lots of great stuff going on elsewhere in the world like NFC, handsets that aren't gimped by the carrier... etc.
Just IMHO.
Cheers
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Actually, that is a very valid point. People would end up buying phones purely on colour and shape, if the hardware was close enough and they were all AOSP. I do like mynamesteve's suggestion of manufacturing 2 devices - 1 with their own software and 1 with basic Android, but I can't see anyone really doing that unfortunately. I guess there isn't really a practical solution to this. Not that I can think of, anyway.
Incidentally, I like your avatar. Homage to The King. He may be dead, but his burgers most certainly are not!
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But really deep down arn't they all just android?
I will admit the overlays draw customers, I was drawn in by sense bk in the winMO days (RIP) but other than some fancy widgets its really not much better than stock.
I understand they get paid for most of the note/ereader/Doc Dre beats headphone rubbish that gets shipped so things will most likely not change
but thank you for treasures like this website.
I know tings i.e. rooting can be daunting for the beginner but if ya follow the guides and read, ya never know you might even learn something (John this wasn't directed at you at all just peeps in general i know your a kick ass developer, i read it bk n thought wtf lol)
TLDR:read it
mynamesteve said:
But really deep down arn't they all just android?
I will admit the overlays draw customers, I was drawn in by sense bk in the winMO days (RIP) but other than some fancy widgets its really not much better than stock.
I understand they get paid for most of the note/ereader/Doc Dre beats headphone rubbish that gets shipped so things will most likely not change
but thank you for treasures like this website.
I know tings i.e. rooting can be daunting for the beginner but if ya follow the guides and read, ya never know you might even learn something (John this wasn't directed at you at all just peeps in general i know your a kick ass developer, i read it bk n thought wtf lol)
TLDR:read it
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To a certain degree, yes, but the SGS2 doesn't even have the stock Android launcher available, never mind the cluster of Samsung apps that everyone seems to be freezing straight out of the box. Samsung have pretty much made it their own device, which is obviously fine, and it's still a very stock-looking experience, but just freezing apps doesn't make it AOSP unfortunately.
I think (italics because I'm not sure) that a lot of people would learn more about their device if it was a bog-standard stock Android experience from day 1. They'd try different apps and launchers etc.. I've got a friend with a Desire HD and he's never even opened the Market app. He's 0% techie, so fair enough he's not gonna undervolt and overclock the thing, but he didn't even realise he had a satnav device! I don't want to turn this into a xxx manufacturer against yyy manufacturer, but certain other devices on the market are popular because of what they can do. I think Android is being sold short by not making it obvious how far it can go. That, I believe, is partly down to having a device loaded with apps that obscure the possibilities.
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BTW, thanks for the compliment, but I'm simply a developer. This place has far more kick ass developers than me!
I have to say, if it wasn't for HTC I wouldn't have an android phone.
Tried a Nexus ROM on my HD2, really hated it. Tried the SGS2, really couldn't get on with it (nice screen though).
I can understand and respect that many people do like aosp, and I'm glad that we have the options available to us.
My stock sensation is fast and sense 3 is lovely and polished.
I really wish carriers (apparently mostly in the US) didn't take a fast phone and turn it into something reportedly sluggish though.
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To a certain degree, yes, but the SGS2 doesn't even have the stock Android launcher available, never mind the cluster of Samsung apps that everyone seems to be freezing straight out of the box. Samsung have pretty much made it their own device, which is obviously fine, and it's still a very stock-looking experience, but just freezing apps doesn't make it AOSP unfortunately.
I think (italics because I'm not sure) that a lot of people would learn more about their device if it was a bog-standard stock Android experience from day 1. They'd try different apps and launchers etc.. I've got a friend with a Desire HD and he's never even opened the Market app. He's 0% techie, so fair enough he's not gonna undervolt and overclock the thing, but he didn't even realise he had a satnav device! I don't want to turn this into a xxx manufacturer against yyy manufacturer, but certain other devices on the market are popular because of what they can do. I think Android is being sold short by not making it obvious how far it can go. That, I believe, is partly down to having a device loaded with apps that obscure the possibilities.
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BTW, thanks for the compliment, but I'm simply a developer. This place has far more kick ass developers than me!
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Sadly no it doesnt make it aosp and as the user above pointed out theres a lot of fragmentation in android, manufactures are messing with the core of the system and not just building an overlay/launcher.
Sometimes this works sometimes this doesn't i do feel alot of the resources could be used to better the stock system, better all round compatibility, better drivers and make android better for all there users. but thats like asking for world peace, and im no CEO of a major corp so what do i know
But i know how it works in the real world, i gave my sister my HD2 and she doesnt care what Rom is on there as long as it looks nice and everything is there out the box. (cant believe i gave her the most versitile handset on the planet with that attitude but thats beside the point )
The OS ease is very important to people and i understand that for a non-tecky, i think that is also part of the reason why we cant have stock out the box, the 'mobile market' needs the icon on his device to begin with so the manufacturers try to supply that, but do it very badly.
Phew! sorry about that.
I also much prefer AOSP.
I loved sense on winmo but I absolutely detest the android equivalent.
Touchwiz is just plain vile and as jcm mentioned the SGS2 is lacking that really stable aosp experience....
Luckily though if your unhappy with your phone and need to make changes then your in the right place
No I haven't missed the op's point about wanting more customisation out of the box but I just wanted to make the point that every single resource you need to achieve whatever you want to do with your phone (within reason) is right here under your nose.
I now have a rom for my phone that is (nearly) exactly how I want it, no Touchwiz, less bloat, all the cool little tweaks that our talented devs have given us and all it took was one day of reading and a lot of trial and error...... it was fun too.
Sure I cheated and used a kitchen but hey, gotta start somewhere right.
Anyway I digress, my point is that we can all wish for HTC/samsung etc to start catering for our every need until we are blue in the face but they won't.
Sometimes you just have to roll up you're sleeves and do things for yourself.
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I now have a rom for my phone that is (nearly) exactly how I want it, no Touchwiz, less bloat, all the cool little tweaks that our talented devs have given us and all it took was one day of reading and a lot of trial and error...... it was fun too.
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And are you planning on releasing this? You've had my dev work. It's only fair I have yours
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And are you planning on releasing this? You've had my dev work. It's only fair I have yours
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Actually I very nearly did but you know how many zip file heroes there are in that section. Do we really need another?
That and I'm too lazy to update it for each new firmware that trickles out.
I think I will release one though, probably with a very tongue in cheek OP....
And yes, I and a lot of others had many, many hours of enjoyment from your work so thanks for that
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Hi There.
I am wanting to upgrade from my Nokia 6500s, as the screen just happened to crack last week.
So should i get the O2x for £250 New
OR
Should i buy my friends iPhone 4 for £270 as he is looking to buy the 4s
Looking For some advice from owners of the O2x
(This is my first post here, be nice )
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Hi There.
I am wanting to upgrade from my Nokia 6500s, as the screen just happened to crack last week.
So should i get the O2x for £250 New
OR
Should i buy my friends iPhone 4 for £270 as he is looking to buy the 4s
Looking For some advice from owners of the O2x
(This is my first post here, be nice )
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Iphone= no customization+apple = lame
o2x has alot of faults but hopefully when nvidia release there drivers and we get a decent build of ICS those problems will be a thing of the past. But in the mean time there are alot of fun roms and kernels and various customizations you can do to make it very entertaining.
But if you don't like that stuff and don't mind apple **** then go get ripped off.
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Iphone= no customization+apple = lame
o2x has alot of faults but hopefully when nvidia release there drivers and we get a decent build of ICS those problems will be a thing of the past. But in the mean time there are alot of fun roms and kernels and various customizations you can do to make it very entertaining.
But if you don't like that stuff and don't mind apple **** then go get ripped off.
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Well i have had a iPod Touch 3RD Gen, it was always Jailbroken, though am looking a change from the usual "Oh Look at this thing, its amazing, even though Android has already had it" But i do like how everything just works.
Though, having something that runs android would give me a change to mess around with things and tinker, which i like to do
Just need to make a decision before the 11th
The IPhone is a good fone and we wouldn't be where we are now if we didn't have the IPhone. That being said, I don't like IPhones as they are closed, too expensive, don't prevent wifi dropping (on standby) if your on a data allowance, over rated..
I work for O2 in the UK & all the time see the down falls compared to Android. I personally chose Android due to the open'ness and customization... The IPhones are smooth though but it all depends if your into making YOUR fone YOURS & Personal ;-).
I hate Blackberries more though lol as you either need to do a battery pull every 2 minutes or the Host Routing Table lol.
Its just my opinion but have a play with them both .
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The IPhone is a good fone and we wouldn't be where we are now if we didn't have the IPhone. That being said, I don't like IPhones as they are closed, too expensive, don't prevent wifi dropping (on standby) if your on a data allowance, over rated..
I work for O2 in the UK & all the time see the down falls compared to Android. I personally chose Android due to the open'ness and customization... The IPhones are smooth though but it all depends if your into making YOUR fone YOURS & Personal ;-).
I hate Blackberries more though lol as you either need to do a battery pull every 2 minutes or the Host Routing Table lol.
Its just my opinion but have a play with them both .
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Thanks for the Feedback, its much appreciated.
I already know how iOS works and all, and seem too like the idea of android. will be sure to test out the O2x if i get it, to see if i like it
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Thanks for the Feedback, its much appreciated.
I already know how iOS works and all, and seem too like the idea of android. will be sure to test out the O2x if i get it, to see if i like it
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You will love it, its so much more customizable than any "i" device, seeing as you already have an ipad it makes no sense to get an iphone as well.
Try not to judge the o2x on it stock rom it kinda sucks, imediatly flash a custom rom and kernel and you'll have a blast it'll be fast and smooth but don't expect it to be aa smooth as the i devices remember android is an OS within an OS.
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eraldo said:
You will love it, its so much more customizable than any "i" device, seeing as you already have an ipad it makes no sense to get an iphone as well.
Try not to judge the o2x on it stock rom it kinda sucks, imediatly flash a custom rom and kernel and you'll have a blast it'll be fast and smooth but don't expect it to be aa smooth as the i devices remember android is an OS within an OS.
Plus we have both flash and html5 support apple rejecting flash had nothing to do with performance issues it was to do with itunes and other crap that's why i HATE apple and won't ever buy an apple product.
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The reason why i didnt even bothered with the iphone 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKxgsrJFhw
Hi,
There is a pretty nice comparision of the 2x and the Ione on youtube... When i remember correctly it is from androidcentral ... Have a look at it, mightbe interesting for you.
Regards
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man, i owned the iphone4 and my brother have the 4s and my youngest have the gs2. honestly, they are realy jealous on my o2x, the speed, customization, stability, and the devs are very supportive.
go for o2x! cheaper than gs2 but i think gs2 is a little better. buy hey, i love my o2x!
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man, i owned the iphone4 and my brother have the 4s and my youngest have the gs2. honestly, they are realy jealous on my o2x, the speed, customization, stability, and the devs are very supportive.
go for o2x! cheaper than gs2 but i think gs2 is a little better. buy hey, i love my o2x!
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Yeah, I'd personally go for an O2X too. But seeing that the other option is an IP4, I'd take the O2X hands down. The IP4 is going to get old real fast once the IP5 is released Q2 to Q3 this year.
While the O2X is scheduled for ICS Q2 of this year. (give or take 2 quarters) lol.
If... the option was between the IP4S and the O2X though, I'd have to choose IP4S.
I have a optimus 2x. Bought it some days ago. By use its amazing. I accept that its software has some glitches but who has not? And moreover when you get a good hardware you should not really worry of software, as you will get it , its a open source.
I like apple as a media source. You told you have a ipod touch. I think its more than enuf from apple. You can enjoy there OS there touch feel and the apps. But apple doesnt allow you to do much customizations. It doesnt five yoi the degree of freedom android gives. So i would siggest you. Go for optimus 2x rather than Iphone 4 because you already have a iox device ipodtouch.
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Hello!
It is always about your needs...
But I see one big problem with the iPhone 4 16GB – your stuck with these 16GB and from my personnel experience this isn’t really much. I ordered a 32GB SDHC the moment I ordered my LG P990 and it is almost full including the build in 8GB… I actually very tempted to try one of the 64GB SDXD cards available – will order one and try it when the prices come down little more.
And compared to an iPhone 4 the LG P990 should be faster – I have seen some tests on youtube – but don’t have a link handy right now – and these tests where actually with the stock browser on stock rom…and custom roms are even a lot faster.
The rest is about taste…
IMHO Android is more versatile and I like the UI concept more, but this is purely dependent on what you like.
My tip go to some store where you can actually touch the phone and play around with it a little – even though the LG P990 is on stock not as fast ass it could be, but you get a basic idea of the look and feel.
I made this comparison between iPhone 4, SG2, HTC Sensation and LG P990…now guess which phone won…
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If... the option was between the IP4S and the O2X though, I'd have to choose IP4S.
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much smaller, and little bit better
Heh you know if you asked this in the iphone section or a more iphone friendly area you would be told to get the iphone 4 or the 4s because they dont even know what a non apple product is.
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Heh you know if you asked this in the iphone section or a more iphone friendly area you would be told to get the iphone 4 or the 4s because they dont even know what a non apple product is.
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Yes, your are most probably right and that is why we should try to do better here - especially since many people around here will know the look and feel of the iPhone 4 too...
And as I wrote I personally like the UI concept of android more and he should try both before making that decision.
Speedwise the Optimus 2x should be a little faster – but not that much since I must admit the software of the iPhone is usually over all a little bit better optimized.
But IMHO the biggest con against any iPhone and also to the most recent Google phone is the lack of an SD-card slot – this is/would be a absolute no go for me…
if IP4 would had 4" screen i wouldnt even thinking.
Thanks everyone for the feedback, I think I might give it a chance, though i will have to order it from Amazon UK as there are no phone stores around my town that stock O2x's.
I also didn't post on an apple section as I know what the replys would be to buy the iPhone as 50%-70% of apple owners only buy apple products as they Have the fruit logo and defend it.
Just another thing to touch on, if I did get the O2x i wouldn't root it for approx. 6-8months in-case an issue would occur and therefore i would be able to use warranty. What is the Stock rom like? And is it Usable?
Rooting:
I would assume rooting is a bit like jail-breaking, just run a program and its done?
and flashing roms, you just put them on an SD card and flash using clockworkrecovery?
Thanks again
i will say buying an iPhone4 is just an action of ifanboy
Rooting is not difficult, just as easy as jailbreaking the iOS devices. I sold my iPod touch 4th gen a few months ago and I know the differences between these products.
First of all, I want to remark that the optimus 2x still has a lot of issues. Random reboots, sleep of deaths, charging BSODs, memory leaking. These are very common issues which I experienced myself. Especially if you use the stock LG rom, make sure you remember this.
Most probably you won't void your warranty if you flash custom roms because you will be able to flash back to stock LG rom with kdz/smartflash methods.
If you are looking for a stable phone I honestly would not recommend the O2X at this moment. It is a nice phone with current CM7-kangs or modded kernel/modded stock rom, but the LG roms are real crap imo and you may still have problems even with xda roms.
Samsung for example has much better stock roms. You might look for the Galaxy R for example which looks great to me.
Nevertheless the o2x is really cheap for a dualcore phone with decent IPS screen. Real bang for the bucks. It's so much faster than my previous iPod Touch 4th gen. (Same processor as iPhone 4)
If you have no problems with claiming warranty if you have issues amd if you dont care to flash custom roms, the o2x could be a good choice.
(Sorry for language mistakes, my native language is Dutch)
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An HTC without sense is like a ZR-1 with a 4cyl engine...
Now before you go and start screaming HOW DARE YOU!!!, relax,
and think for a moment, Why did you buy the VIVId ?
was you thinking how CM would run on it or you liked the style that sense offers?
I personally love the looks and widgets that sense offers and I thick CM Or aOSP lack many features.
Do you like the Zr-1 with all the works or you want the Lotus elise without even AC?
now Scream>>>>>>!!!!!
Because some people like the style and the features of the Vivid. And a lot of people like a CM over sense, but still like sense in general (like me.) And having cm would open up the door for aosp roms, miui, etc. I didn't buy my sgs2 plainly for touchwiz, I bought it because of the great potential in this device, and the vivid (pretty much every HTC phone) has a lot of potential.
And I'd take the Lotus, I don't drive American cars.... just my opinion
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See your point, it comes down to your personal taste.
I think the Samsung wiz is not a ll that different from aosp and looks too much like the fruit company. And I really hate the fruit company because of that "we are the best don't even try to change it you pay me to loan you the item " attitude.
and I still think that even being American, the ZR1 will eat the lotus.... jejeje..
I have a vivid (velocity) because work issued me with one... It is the first 4G phone for Australia and we wanted to test it for work (Hell, at least I'm not the guy who had to get an iphone) I cannot wait for CM or AOSP, imho, sense is clunky and it feels old compated to cm and miui, this phone feels slower than my htc hd2, even basic features that ADW and launcherpro have had for ages, changing the grid size, adjusting widget sizes, more robust toggles in the status tray... it feels to me that HTC are going in the wrong direction with sense.
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An HTC without sense is like a ZR-1 with a 4cyl engine...
Now before you go and start screaming HOW DARE YOU!!!, relax,
and think for a moment, Why did you buy the VIVId ?
was you thinking how CM would run on it or you liked the style that sense offers?
I personally love the looks and widgets that sense offers and I thick CM Or aOSP lack many features.
Do you like the Zr-1 with all the works or you want the Lotus elise without even AC?
now Scream>>>>>>!!!!!
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That´s awesome that you started a post to make an irrelevant comparison ROMS and cars. But let me do you a favor and make it relevant again.
I bought a Vivid because it has what I was looking for with hardware, the software can be upgraded as I see fit. Would you ever mod the exhaust or intake or headers or anything on your Elise without altering the car´s computer configuration? I certainly hope not.
As someone mentioned earlier, it´s about personal preference. Some people might want the Elise because of what it comes with stock, some people will buy it for what it CAN be with the proper tuning. So enjoy sense as long as you want it, I will endure it as long as I have to.
And a quick FYI, AC units weigh a hell of a lot, so it´s usually part of the stage 3 weight reduction kits for cars.
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and I still think that even being American, the ZR1 will eat the lotus.... jejeje..
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I get the fact that some people <3 sense forever.
But If I could get a ZR-1 that could switch off 4 -cylinders (change roms) and run without the sense-v8, like a modern HEMI, for when I want to save fuel(battery) and I'm in bumper to bumper email territory, that would provide the most appealing from both worlds.
I'd like to have the choice either way. Loved Sense 2; Sense 3 was fine, Sense 3.5 looks a bit like a "meh" revision of 3. Want to see Sense 4 before I decide whether or not to keep it.
I liked having CM on my Galaxy S, but I like Sense more than AOSP Gingerbread.
carlosjcar said:
and I still think that even being American, the ZR1 will eat the lotus.... jejeje..
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ZR1's a pile of poo. Car's made out of plastic, rear-wheel-drive and an inefficient shouty V8. Consider the Lotus Elise, comes remarkably close in performance since it can actually take a corner, and runs on a 1.8L Toyota engine to boot. Looks a damn sight nicer too, and costs half as much.
If I had the money to burn on a ZR1, I'd go for a far more elegant version of its package: Mercedes Benz's C63 AMG Black coupe, for slightly less money to boot.
But, since I'm a sane and normal man, I'd rather get the Audi RS5 or the Audi R8 V10 Spyder. I'd rather drive an Impreza WRX STi than the Vette, to be honest.
Yes, I'm an American too.
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I'd like to have the choice either way. Loved Sense 2; Sense 3 was fine, Sense 3.5 looks a bit like a "meh" revision of 3. Want to see Sense 4 before I decide whether or not to keep it.
I liked having CM on my Galaxy S, but I like Sense more than AOSP Gingerbread.
ZR1's a pile of poo. Car's made out of plastic, rear-wheel-drive and an inefficient shouty V8. Consider the Lotus Elise, comes remarkably close in performance since it can actually take a corner, and runs on a 1.8L Toyota engine to boot. Looks a damn sight nicer too, and costs half as much.
If I had the money to burn on a ZR1, I'd go for a far more elegant version of its package: Mercedes Benz's C63 AMG Black coupe, for slightly less money to boot
But, since I'm a sane and normal man, I'd rather get the Audi RS5 or the Audi R8 V10 Spyder. I'd rather drive an Impreza WRX STi than the Vette, to be honest.
Yes, I'm an American too.
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I'd drive an s2000. 230+ horsepower from an i4 + rwd + light as hell = fun
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Honestly for screen beauty, and build quality.... And yes i want cm for the sheer speed and i want ics. Sense has some nice feauturss... And i would take it over touchwiz any day, but I'm afraid it bloats and slows more than that sweetness is worth to me.
And if i want features gimme MIUI. I'd take that over any manufacturers skin any day
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I'd drive an s2000. 230+ horsepower from an i4 + rwd + light as hell = fun
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I drive an A5 myself, so I already classify myself as "enjoying life". I can't personally warrant blowing upwards of $60k on a car.
Can anyone give me a good reason why i shouldnt lock this thread?
nuke it from orbit
I don't understand why anyone would want miui. If I want my phone to look like an iphone ill buy one (cold day in hell).
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msimindlessmsi2 said:
I don't understand why anyone would want miui. If I want my phone to look like an iphone ill buy one (cold day in hell).
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Have you ever tried it out? It's really quite interesting... Not as bad as I thought it might be. I remember giving people crap for using that iOS look a like. But once I actually tried it out it wasn't half bad. Of course, I ended up reverting back to sense, but it was cool to try it out for a little while.
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I used miui because it was really polished, and very quick, there are plenty of themes that look nothing like iphone (like a theme that makes your whole phone look like a borderlands computer, complete with holograms and rusty corregated iron, that was my favorite)
It is just really nice, everything is easy and logical, and yet you still have access to all of the awesome android apps
Music player was great, could retreive lyrics and art, built in popups for sms messages and quick replies, a logically arranged settings menu, built in firewall, built in data counter, no app drawer to deal with which I liked, persistant app row on the bottom of the app screen good for 4 to 7 apps to be anchored there, hold down home and it shows you running apps, hold down the back key and it kills any app thats crashed... it is a totally sweet system, well worth looking at not just passing it off as an iphone clone.
Also... some people really like the iphone look (I like the interface, its well made) but want the flexability and open access of a rooted android, and thats what you get with MIUI, its not for everyone, but it deffinetely appeals to me
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Can anyone give me a good reason why i shouldnt lock this thread?
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There is some decent discussion, but its mostly off topic from a trolling post.. No offense to actual contributors, but im locking this. Reading through the first few posts of this thread make my head hurt..
Do anybody know when we will get CyanogenMod for our Note 4 yet?
Sure 9 Sundays from now. Or was 5 Fridays not count every other one .. Time will tell..
No, nobody knows.
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Do anybody know when we will get CyanogenMod for our Note 4 yet?
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Two weeks.
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Doc:_porting_intro
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How is this better than the cook ROM that others have done?
chong67 said:
How is this better than the cook ROM that others have done?
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Cyanogen/AOSP is pure android without all the unnecessary graphics, designs and bloat from Samsung.
Minimal design = stronger processor strength.
Plus, pure stock Android is just better.
XDA has gone to $hit. He asked a simple question. Why does everyone need to be a$$holes?
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XDA has gone to $hit. He asked a simple question. Why does everyone need to be a$$holes?
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I see. I guess this is similar to Nexus phone.? Stock android?
Then stock stuff miss alot of things like no notifcations with running count, like on your voice messages or txt. Then we need to install launcher. Then we back to the same thing?
Why buy a Note device if you want stock boring Android? Never understood that.
IMHO - CyanogenMod is just plain boring. I understood the need for it way back in the G1 days. Maybe now in place of vanilla Android but as a rom on a Note 4? Hells no.
dkb218 said:
Why buy a Note device if you want stock boring ass Android? Never understood that.
IMHO - CyanogenMod is just plain boring. I understood the need for it way back in the G1 days. Maybe now in place of vanilla Android but as a rom on a Note 4? Hells no.
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Because Note devices have the top of the line and updated processors. In other words, fastest/strongest processors on the market at the time of release.
You will never see the full capacity of this processor until you're on Pure Android.
And that's what I love. This beastly processor on bare Android.
Perfection.
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I see. I guess this is similar to Nexus phone.? Stock android?
Then stock stuff miss alot of things like no notifcations with running count, like on your voice messages or txt. Then we need to install launcher. Then we back to the same thing?
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To get rid of the icon badges, disable BadgeProvider (in Application Manager).
I agree with you. IMO (<- take note of that before anyone gets butt hurt.) I think "some" people don't realize how much TW has improved. It's pretty awesome on the Note 4 and for those who like TW can definitely tell how far it has come.
CM is boring and IMO it takes away from the Notes DNA of what makes a Note a Note. If I just cared about having the best piece of hardware with a big screen, I'd still want something pleasing to look at than a black and white movie.
Like I've said earlier....
...and it's nice to be able to drive a McLaren P1 and do the 1/4 mile in 9 seconds as oppose to driving a gutted Honda Civic fully modded with no interior w/ a welded roll cage and helment running 9's in the 1/4. Chicks dig luxury, performance and comfort..."
IMO for anyone wanting CM, they should just the Nexus 6 or an iphone LOL. The fact remains that the new TW is very efficient and there are enough customizations you can do with wanam/xpose to be able to enjoy all the benefits of CM or not, depending on your style and preference. I am confident to give CM a run for its money on AnTuTu along with other benchmarks, because the truth is, with TW already running 50K+ on stock kernel, anything above this wouldn't really be noticeable if at all. Heck even anything below that wouldn't really make a difference in the real world with normal usage. Therefore, although all this doesn't really matter, I think it'll be fun to explore the close race between TW and CM. I'm game for it....bring it on. There won't be a big enough gap to even make CM justifiable IMO. Plus, the girl will want to ride in my car, not the gutted honda civic. Be a gentleman, and treat her like a lady. LOL j/k.
At the end of the day, it's your phone and you can do whatever the heck your heart desires. :highfive:
Bottom line, just be happy to know that you own the best darn device available and enjoy!
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Why buy a Note device if you want stock boring ass Android? Never understood that.
IMHO - CyanogenMod is just plain boring. I understood the need for it way back in the G1 days. Maybe now in place of vanilla Android but as a rom on a Note 4? Hells no.
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iunlock said:
I agree with you. IMO (<- take note of that before anyone gets butt hurt.) I think "some" people don't realize how much TW has improved. It's pretty awesome on the Note 4 and for those who like TW can definitely tell how far it has come.
CM is boring and IMO it takes away from the Notes DNA of what makes a Note a Note. If I just cared about having the best piece of hardware with a big screen, I'd still want something pleasing to look at than a black and white movie.
Like I've said earlier....
...and it's nice to be able to drive a McLaren P1 and do the 1/4 mile in 9 seconds as oppose to driving a gutted Honda Civic fully modded with no interior w/ a welded roll cage and helment running 9's in the 1/4. Chicks dig luxury, performance and comfort..."
IMO for anyone wanting CM, they should just the Nexus 6 or an iphone LOL. The fact remains that the new TW is very efficient and there are enough customizations you can do with wanam/xpose to be able to enjoy all the benefits of CM or not, depending on your style and preference. I am confident to give CM a run for its money on AnTuTu along with other benchmarks, because the truth is, with TW already running 50K+ on stock kernel, anything above this wouldn't really be noticeable if at all. Heck even anything below that wouldn't really make a difference in the real world with normal usage. Therefore, although all this doesn't really matter, I think it'll be fun to explore the close race between TW and CM. I'm game for it....bring it on. There won't be a big enough gap to even make CM justifiable IMO. Plus, the girl will want to ride in my car, not the gutted honda civic. Be a gentleman, and treat her like a lady. LOL j/k.
At the end of the day, it's your phone and you can do whatever the heck your heart desires. :highfive:
Bottom, just be happy to know that you own the best darn device available and enjoy!
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5.0 Lollipop for Samsung is supposed to have a very material look.
If that's the case than the AOSP Roms aren't going to be the best out there.
The whole 5.0 thing is making me a little nervous. But then again didn't we have this scare before? I don't know....darn Google....
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5.0 Lollipop for Samsung is supposed to have a very material look.
If that's the case than the AOSP Roms aren't going to be the best out there.
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Coming from Verizon, it is a welcome change to have an unlocked bootloader, and the choice to drive the custom muscle car or the luxury car.
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You can drive both with the N4 especially with the availability of some awesome ROM's.....You seem like a car guy...if you want the performance of a fully gutted drag car with the luxury of a S Class, try the FireKatv3 ROM. You won't be disappointed. It's so crazy light and freakin' fast as heck.
DieHappy said:
Coming from Verizon, it is a welcome change to have an unlocked bootloader, and the choice to drive the custom muscle car or the luxury car.
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iunlock said:
You can drive both with the N4 especially with the availability of some awesome ROM's.....You seem like a car guy...if you want the performance of a fully gutted drag car with the luxury of a S Class, try the FireKatv3 ROM. You won't be disappointed. It's so crazy light and freakin' fast as heck.
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I really want to try that Ron but I need Unlimited tethering so I don't think
That rom supports it
the great thing about Cyanogen for our phone will be that will open the doors for all sorts of AOSP roms; Cyanogen mod is a very stripped down version of AOSP, but there are fantastic AOSP roms out there, (SlimRom, ParaNoidAndroid,AOKP) are a few that come to mind, and, they come with mods and fixes that bring ALOT of the stuff you get on the stock TouchWiz roms, just with different software; and,regardless of what anyone says, NO touchwiz rom will be as light, swift, slick and fast as an AOSP rom.
I too would be curious to see how this phone would scream with an AOSP rom, and I'm sure it wont be long till a few of them start showing up; but, usually Cyanogen Mod will be the first one that gets ported for a newly released phone..
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I really want to try that Ron but I need Unlimited tethering so I don't think
That rom supports it
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WiFi Tether Router, from the playstore works flawlessly.
I use it daily.
FireKatv3 is insane...
I've mentioned in another post where I would much rather use a 3rd party tethering app over a baked in one any day. More setting options....therefore, with me even if a ROM had it baked in, I wouldn't be using it anyway.
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wase4711 said:
the great thing about Cyanogen for our phone will be that will open the doors for all sorts of AOSP roms; Cyanogen mod is a very stripped down version of AOSP, but there are fantastic AOSP roms out there, (SlimRom, ParaNoidAndroid,AOKP) are a few that come to mind, and, they come with mods and fixes that bring ALOT of the stuff you get on the stock TouchWiz roms, just with different software; and,regardless of what anyone says, NO touchwiz rom will be as light, swift, slick and fast as an AOSP rom.
I too would be curious to see how this phone would scream with an AOSP rom, and I'm sure it wont be long till a few of them start showing up; but, usually Cyanogen Mod will be the first one that gets ported for a newly released phone..
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Yes it'll be screaming fast, no denying that. But unlike before where there was a huge gap between asop roms vs stock tw....from my crazy smooth experience so far with the newly refined TW (thanks to FireKatv3), that gap has closed a lot.
It's nice to finally be able to go fast and in luxury without sacrificing luxury for performance like before.
Most people buy the note for the note experience to enjoy the luxury that it offers while being equipped with a v12 monster.
IMO, Why buy a Bentley just to strip it of its luxury? Why not just downgrade and buy a Nexus 6? Answer? Because even in this scenerio the N4 is still better. Fair enough.
A stripped down Bently (asop) is obviously going to be faster than the one (stock) still having its hand stitched leather seats that does weigh a ton. But, thanks to a highly refined ROM like FireKatv3, that v12 beast is tuned to provide more power to balance out the power to weight ratio, while still being naturally aspirated. That's impressive.
All credit to Mega (the dev) of FireKatv3, but I'm pretty darn happy about my experience so far running on stock kernel and hitting 50k+. Now regardless of any opinions on benchmarks and real world experience, the fact remains that my real world experience is more than enough to justify my 50k+ bench score.
I've yet to see any other ROM do that.
So I'll see yall asop'ers at the drag strip and give you a run for the money. It'll be good fun. [emoji106]