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[Q]IOS 4 running on an android phone ! can our sgs do that !

i was browsing the web and i found an interesting video showing the htc magic running ios 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY-uRRCARJw
i was thinking that our sgs has almost the same spec as the iphone 4(processor, amount of rom and ram), it would be possible to dump ios 4 on it ! that would definetly decrease the sell of iphone 4 ! with the 4 inch SA screen ios apps and games would rock on the sgs !
i also believe that the sgs has the most powerful HW , here is the GL benchmark results showing sgs on top of other phones followed by the iphone
http://www.glbenchmark.com/result.jsp

The biggest problem would be the resolution. The iphone 4 resolution is 960x640 and our SGS is only 800x400.
So porting iOS 4 to a SGS, sounds very dificult.

Looks fake but a very good (not nice) theme.

why would I want to do that

zyo said:
why would I want to do that
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Exactly…
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Billus said:
Looks fake but a very good (not nice) theme.
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Android has been up and running on older iPhones for a few months now via dualbooting (iBoot).
Got to remember however that Android is designed to run on a variety of hardware configurations.
iOS is NOT designed to run on anything without specific Apple-selected hardware. Drivers would need to be created for each component of each phone, the resolution would need to be the same, it would need to be able to sync with iTunes to use, etc. Basically, far too much bother.
I would be more interested in the possibilities of WP7 or Meego (or maybe WebOS in the future?...) ports since they're available for lots of hardware configurations. Particularly WP7, since the Galaxy S seems to share the exact hardware requirements for the first generation of WP7 devices launching next month, including those by Samsung.

zyo said:
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I bought the SGS after choosing that I wanted an android phone. I didn't pick this phone and then settled for the os that came with it.

Even if legit, why would you want to do that? If you want iOS get an iPhone, it would run better on the hardware it was designed for anyway.
Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

zyo said:
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agree

I bought this phone to own it and do whatever i want with it. On the iOS, certain Mr Jobs always have a noose around your neck with 5 updates a year...
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As far as I remember that video is fake, and it was done so that an iPhone's screen was captured with some program and then played with the HTC. The guy admittedly had to record the video a couple of times by the time he managed to synchronise his finger movement to the video playing on the HTC.

I agree with the most committed Android fans here, why the hell would we want to have iOS??? Like most we made the decision for freedom and choice and to be able to create and share our own content, not just consume.
However, I am curious to know if there is a way to get IPA's to work on Android. The market is a little short on well polished games so it would be great to see if there is a way to get them onto the current generation of Android devices.

"why not"
cause "you can"
a hack is a hack, it's fun, doesn't mean you should replace android by ios for daily use. still, i'd try it for fun.
now, the video is prolly a fake anyway, but hey, you never know

Its coming out on april 1st next year a leaked samsung doc said

I was introduced to Android by installing Froyo on my iPhone 3G and dual booting it with iOS4. It made me want to sell the iPhone and get a "real" Android phone since the battery only lasted 90 mins in Froyo and it was seriously underpowered (but still faster than my mate's Magic).
Like hell, am I ever going back to iOS! To any of you who haven't previously owned an iPhone, trust me when I say that you aren't missing out on anything. Tweaking or customising anything in iOS on supported hardware was a pain in the back-side. Porting it to another device would be an absolute nightmare and really not worth the hassle!

"Why would I want to" and the like really don't add value to the conversation, dudes...
I was tempted to jump into the "can I run WM7 on the SGS" thread with the same childish smart ass comment, but took the mature path and just didn't bother reading the thread at all. Despite not being able to fathom why someone would want to, it's a legitimate technical question to ask if someone is interested in doing it.

Why the hate????
I've always known the guys at xda doing awesome things to their mobile phones, just because they can.
It's this "because we can" and "can we do this" attitude that has built xda from nothing to something very brilliant.
Had we not had such enterprising members, we'd never become the no. 1 andorid hackers in the world.
There is not a single forum that is as good and as xda.
Anyways I am very interested in this project. Dual booting the iOs is still awesome.
It's not a bad idea at all although it will take years before anything ever boots.

ikenley said:
I agree with the most committed Android fans here, why the hell would we want to have iOS??? Like most we made the decision for freedom and choice and to be able to create and share our own content, not just consume.
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Agreed, I left iFail due to it being locked down by Dictator Jobs. However playing/hacking is fun but I wouldnt want to use it as an everyday device.

lets see what comes first, ios on sgs or duke nukem forever...

FadeFx said:
lets see what comes first, ios on sgs or duke nukem forever...
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haha, nice one!

Anyone else misses their iPhones?

Just wondering if there is a lot of people here that have had the iPhone prior til an android device. How do you like the transition?
I have had the O2X for a month and i can say that i really miss my iPhone So much more smooth, fast, battery life... And if anything goes wrong you have the iTunes backup so you dont need to be an expert til reflash with NVflash and you dont loose all your apps and settings...

I'm using a Motorola Milestone/Droid, and I really don't miss my iPhone 3G. The thing was horribly slow. Zero multi-tasking. Screen resolution was very low compared. Hardware wise, it was a real improvement. I'm running at 1GHz now with CM7.
In the software front, I really like, and prefer, how Android handle things. Apple is too control freak. I want emulator and ****!
But I have to say that the lack of proper backup in Android is really lame. iTunes can be really slow, but at least it does a proper sync and backup.
There is absolutely nothing like it in the Android world. Google has to improve its game!

Yes i do miss my 3gs apps on android are really ugly android has a lot of problems but,wanted a bigger screan so here i am using noveka rom 2.2 with honeycomb theme and have android only for
1 month flashed like 30 different roms but if iphone 5 or 4s what ever will change the boring home screen im going back. On android maybee on ice cream sandwitch sorry for my english but im romanian
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Simple
1.Root
2.CWM
3.Nandroid backup of your stock rom
4.Titanium Backup for all ya Apps
If anything goes wrong follow the NvFlash Thread, there are many of people willing to help if you get stuck.
Put ya music on ya sd card and you will never loose it no need to sync
SIMPLE
I have never had an Iphone and will NEVER get one Android is the way forward

Used to have a 3g, and i hated it.
I love the openness of android, and on the hardware side the O2x just blows all the iphones away.
Whar ROM are you using? Since my O2x is way faster than my old iphone, and my buddy's iphone4
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I just bought an iPhone again, even though this phone has great potentiel. It just lack the commitment of LG. I tired of trying out new roms every second day, to get it running as it should from the start. It's a great piece of hardware, but the hardware is only as good as the software running it.... Goodbye LG Mobile it was a laggy experience knowing ya

Thats one thing I will never buy and that is a IPhone. Don't like Apple due to there bringing old tech out and telling everyone its new. I mean come on Facetime, Video calling is years old but because Apple did it. Its AMAZING and been invented by aliens from a future race!.
The IPhone could have a 8 core CPU running at 3GHZ each, but will never give Apple my money knowing that there laughing at all the sheep jumping on the band wangon of every Apple product that ever gets released with the letter I in front.
There OS is closed and controlled. Android isn't the best OS about but it has Openness, yes that is a plus and a negative but I would rather buy a fone that is MINE rather than feeling that Apple have control over what I can and can't do.
I will give credit to Apple though because if it wasnt for them, we wouldnt be where we are now with technology. Also, Apple are good with updates but for me personally...
I would rather buy a £10 basic fone than a IPhone.
Google arent perfect as there just as bad because they want to make money.. The difference is, how they promote and allow different manufacturers to build upon there platform.
All Apple want to do is FORCE everyone Developers and Customers alike. Its a shame people don't see things like this and think everything Apple do is great. The IPhone 5 could have a 500mhz single processor and everyone will say its the best fone out there. With Apple announcing a game that looks like Nokias Snake and telling everyone its a brand new game.
Android is about CHOICE....
Apple is about CONTROL....
Just my personal opinion and understand its not what every thinks lol.

nk7600 said:
Thats one thing I will never buy and that is a IPhone. Don't like Apple due to there bringing old tech out and telling everyone its new. I mean come on Facetime, Video calling is years old but because Apple did it. Its AMAZING and been invented by aliens from a future race!
The IPhone could have a 8 core CPU running at 3GHZ each, but will never give Apple my money knowing that there laughing at all the sheep jumping on the band wangon of every Apple product that ever gets released with the letter I in front.
There OS is closed and controlled. Android isn't the best OS about but it has Openness, yes that is a plus and a negative but I would rather buy a fone that is MINE rather than feeling that Apple have control over what I can and can't do.
I will give credit to Apple though because if it wasnt for them, we wouldnt be where we are now with technology. Also, Apple are good with updates but for me personally...
I would rather buy a £10 basic fone than a IPhone.
Google arent perfect as there just as bad because they want to make money.. The difference is, how they promote and allow different manufacturers to build upon there platform.
All Apple want to do is FORCE everyone Developers and Customers alike. Its a shame people don't see things like this and think everything Apple do is great. The IPhone 5 could have a 500mhz single processor and everyone will say its the best fone out there. With Apple announcing a game that looks like Nokias Snake and telling everyone its a brand new game.
Android is about CHOICE....
Apple is about CONTROL....
Just my personal opinion and understand its not what every thinks lol.
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I can see that u never had an iphone iphone is not about control for that is cydia like rooting on android .facetime i have seen people use it to talk but a normal videocall nobody used it why? Becouse its **** compared to face time i used it and never used a video call whay again? Becouse its **** im a proud owner of lg optimus 2x but apple is light years away
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Exchange it for an iPhone then you freaking whino.
Useless to open a thread for every brainfart of yours...
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Foetsie said:
Exchange it for an iPhone then you freaking whino.
Useless to open a thread for every brainfart of yours...
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Nop gone keep it ) starting to like it
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nk7600 said:
Thats one thing I will never buy and that is a IPhone. Don't like Apple due to there bringing old tech out and telling everyone its new. I mean come on Facetime, Video calling is years old but because Apple did it. Its AMAZING and been invented by aliens from a future race!.
The IPhone could have a 8 core CPU running at 3GHZ each, but will never give Apple my money knowing that there laughing at all the sheep jumping on the band wangon of every Apple product that ever gets released with the letter I in front.
There OS is closed and controlled. Android isn't the best OS about but it has Openness, yes that is a plus and a negative but I would rather buy a fone that is MINE rather than feeling that Apple have control over what I can and can't do.
I will give credit to Apple though because if it wasnt for them, we wouldnt be where we are now with technology. Also, Apple are good with updates but for me personally...
I would rather buy a £10 basic fone than a IPhone.
Google arent perfect as there just as bad because they want to make money.. The difference is, how they promote and allow different manufacturers to build upon there platform.
All Apple want to do is FORCE everyone Developers and Customers alike. Its a shame people don't see things like this and think everything Apple do is great. The IPhone 5 could have a 500mhz single processor and everyone will say its the best fone out there. With Apple announcing a game that looks like Nokias Snake and telling everyone its a brand new game.
Android is about CHOICE....
Apple is about CONTROL....
Just my personal opinion and understand its not what every thinks lol.
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I would say, that i'm not an apple fan boy, it was just the phone i had before the O2X, and i was quite satisfied with it. The o2x was my first android phone, and i do like the google platform. For me, it was more the lg software provided with the phone, that made me go back. I know there are heaps of custom roms, and i've tried alot, but it always, seemed to cause some other problem, batterydrain/or just poor batterylife/reboots. And with cm7 which has become pretty stable, i still experienced the sound bug, and i use my phone as mp3 player aswell, so it got pretty annoying. I dunno if i'm gonna keep the o2x, I might, just to see what will be provided for it, in the next couple of months. The hardware inside the phone, is quite awesome, it's just sad that LG doesn't know how to use it, but they might end up getting back in the game.

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its your first android phone and yet your speaking like you know how other android phones perform. you're telling us that it's Lg's fault that you are not enjoying your android phone but you haven't tried androids from Htc, samsung, motorola, and SE, im not an LG fanboy but this is my 2nd phone from them and so far im very pleased. I've been using lots of android phone and my O2x is by far the best and the smoothest. battery life is just the same as my previous galaxy S but 3x better than my desire HD.
i did have an iphone 3GS but the restrictions and the boring and inefficient UI brought me to android. and i hate i-tunes. i hat steve jobs pushing me to use -itunes like im some kind of illiterate uneducated old man. and im 22 years old.
why can't i just use my 3Gs just like any other storage device. drag and drop into a folder and then bam!

I don`t miss my iphone 3gs at all!
Love my o2x as it is. I would not trade my o2x for iphone 4 even for iphone 5 when it comes!
My wife just switched from iphone 4 to galaxy s2 and she loves it as well.
Simpler to use, drag and drop music, backups, possibilities, great apps as well, amazing support from devs, much more customisable, fun to use and great deal of learning about linux if you are into modding. You can do crazy **** with it as well: runs nmap, metasploit, backtrack 5 and so on...

I had an iphone 3g / 4 before this. I switched to this phone and i sold both the iphones.
Reasons why i like android more than ios:
- Itunes sucks! Seriously, i hate that program so much.
- widgets
- downpullable status bar ( and dont come up with sbsettings, because thats not part of ios)
- theming
- custom roms which actually add new features to your phone
- google synch, i love being able to nvflash this phone to 0 and install a custom rom afterwhich you just sign up with the google account and all the contacts and applications are back. Again, F#ck i tunes.
- iphone feels small,really small.
Things i like about iphone:
- They work 100% out of the box
- All software is/feels the same
- research has shown that people with an iphone have more sex than people without one. Works out well for me, i just say mine is better than the iphone
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yep. the widget is a big + factor to me.
i hate clicking apps just to see my damn calendar and appointments...
i had more *** when i began using my O2x :0

peacekeeper05 said:
i had more *** when i began using my O2x :0
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Thats because you can actually see when your almost late for appointments
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peacekeeper05 said:
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its your first android phone and yet your speaking like you know how other android phones perform. you're telling us that it's Lg's fault that you are not enjoying your android phone but you haven't tried androids from Htc, samsung, motorola, and SE, im not an LG fanboy but this is my 2nd phone from them and so far im very pleased. I've been using lots of android phone and my O2x is by far the best and the smoothest. battery life is just the same as my previous galaxy S but 3x better than my desire HD.
i did have an iphone 3GS but the restrictions and the boring and inefficient UI brought me to android. and i hate i-tunes. i hat steve jobs pushing me to use -itunes like im some kind of illiterate uneducated old man. and im 22 years old.
why can't i just use my 3Gs just like any other storage device. drag and drop into a folder and then bam!
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Well i'm a android noob then Well my experience is that the lg launcher is pretty laggy, compared to what i expected from lg 2xspeed which it's called in some countries. And yeah you can install other launchers, but for me, a android noob, I would have expected the first hand experience to be alot better. I'm not agains android, i quite like the openess and the widgets. But for me the iphone forfill my needs more at the time being. But it seems that when the word iphone is writen, ppl go "bolistic". I'm not for or against the different platforms, that's why i also said, that i might keep the lg2x to see what it brings in the future, cause i like it, but i'm just disappointed with the software lg has provided. And yes i find it poor software, since for me, out of the box experience means alot, and that feeling didn't satisfy me at all. But that is just my oppinion!!! I didn't mean to start an apple/android war, since i like both platforms.

You didn't expect a android vs iphone war when you opened this thread? you're right, go back to your simple Iphone.

Acti666 said:
You didn't expect a android vs iphone war when you opened this thread? you're right, go back to your simple Iphone.
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I didn't start this thread

I did try iphone 4 before switching to android.
But damn it, Apple has got a really big plus on his side, i mean iOS just works. You just click and it works!
Look at the crappy thing that LG did, they almost copyed everything to apple, but they didn't learn that power is nothing without control. I personally cry when i see the shietty UI they implemented that's capable to make a Dual-Core lag lol.
I will just wait iphone 4s or 5 whatever is called to go back to Apple. I just gave back my iphone 4 cuz of the antenna-gate.

When will marketplace be as good as the AppStore? :(

I have recently moved from the i4 and the only thing I miss apart from retina is the AppStore
Android apps just aren't as polished :/
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I have recently moved from the i4 and the only thing I miss apart from retina is the AppStore
Android apps just aren't as polished :/
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Try developing an application that should be compatible with hundreds of devices, from crappy ones to the high end ones, with different screen sizes and resolutions, processors, gpus.

I don't think we should try and search for excuses, cause he's actually right.
Most of the Market apps simply look like crap. Most of the iOS apps simply have an advanced design, if you look at power apps like Titanium Backup: It's one of the feature-richest apps out there and really good. But it looks like a DOS program that was designed in 1986 like Norton Commander or, to summarize it, like crap.

Smirny said:
I don't think we should try and search for excuses, cause he's actually right.
Most of the Market apps simply look like crap. Most of the iOS apps simply have an advanced design, if you look at power apps like Titanium Backup: It's one of the feature-richest apps out there and really good. But it looks like a DOS program that was designed in 1986 like Norton Commander or, to summarize it, like crap.
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You're absolutely right mate, android users just stand for it tho :/ they don't seem to care
As long as the marketplace stays crap, iOS with dominate
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You're absolutely right mate, android users just stand for it tho :/ they don't seem to care
As long as the marketplace stays crap, iOS with dominate
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ios doesnt dominate though.
Worlds most popular smartphone is Android.
Worlds most popular mobile os is Android.
Apple does dominate on the Apps though and i do agree with the OP. Android market place needs to shape up.

it's easier to make apps for iOS because each device has pretty much the same codingm just different sizes, you got two iOS devices on the market in a pocket size (the iTouch and the iPhone, the iTouch being pretty much an iPhone without the phone app and the GSM/CDMA workings) and you got two tablet's the iPad 1 and 2 (which isn't that different, the only thing about the 2 that is different is that it's thinner and has a front facing camera. That's apple for ya, make a small modifacation and call it revolutionary, yet the damn thing lacks a mini-USB port and doesn't do wifi all that well unless you are within line-of-sight of the source (router, antenna, bluetooth, etc)
however, you android you got devices to this say still operating on 1.5 and up, so, it's a bit harder,
for example, some conpanies have it right, SiriusXM's premium app being one of those, but, that is mainly a port of the iPhone app (that app looks the same on all devices, tells me they either ported it or tried to make it universal, flycast is the same way, though the blackberry UI looks a bit different)

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ios doesnt dominate though.
Worlds most popular smartphone is Android.
Worlds most popular mobile os is Android.
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source?
yes but alot of people use the iPhone over in europe.
here in the states we still have alot of people on feature phones, it's all about cost really. and the fact that in some areas verizon and ATT have no service there.

I meant ios apps dominate, developers need to develop for the latest versions 2.2+
The galaxy s2 is an amazing phone but it lacks the appstore
Facebook is an absolute joke on android, and ebay isn't much better
I understand that android sell more phones, so why don't developers focus on android
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Kiboe said:
yes but alot of people use the iPhone over in europe.
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And they have our sympathies, but help is available, their condition is treatable, they don't have to suffer in silence.

Kiboe said:
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yes but alot of people use the iPhone over in europe.
here in the states we still have alot of people on feature phones, it's all about cost really. and the fact that in some areas verizon and ATT have no service there.
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Well here's a source - http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/report-android-becomes-world-smartphone-leader-19634 I just thought this was common knowledge.
iphones aren't even World second. They come a miserable third.
There is also an article i read that i can't be bothered to find about the type of people that purchase iphones. Most people that purchase iphones are low income earners. And the perception these people have are that high income earners tend to purchase iphones, when in fact the trend is that they dont. Low income earners in general also think iphones are the best product available, and that is why they are willing to (stupidly?) hand over more money for a phone that is more expensive.
That is why the rich stay rich, and the poor stay poor.....that is, poor people generally have lower iq's and tend to fall for marketing and advertisement easier than rich people.
I myself am not rich, but i am also not stupid. My Android phone does everything an iphone can do (although i admit the app store is not as good as iphone app store), and i pay £26/month for a free phone, 600 minutes talk time/unlimited texts and a sizeable amount of data.
Androids all come with free sat navs etc.
The iphone cant touch this deal. Standard iphone contracts here in the UK are £40/month plus you need to pay a large amount of money extra for sat navs etc.
iphones in the United Kingdom are a complete rip off, and i must admit the people i see using them are your typical chav type people who spend all their spare cash in the pub getting drunk after work.
Business people have blackberrys, and cool people have Androids in my area

dsswoosh said:
Well here's a source - http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/report-android-becomes-world-smartphone-leader-19634 I just thought this was common knowledge.
iphones aren't even World second. They come a miserable third.
There is also an article i read that i can't be bothered to find about the type of people that purchase iphones. Most people that purchase iphones are low income earners. And the perception these people have are that high income earners tend to purchase iphones, when in fact the trend is that they dont. Low income earners in general also think iphones are the best product available, and that is why they are willing to (stupidly?) hand over more money for a phone that is more expensive.
That is why the rich stay rich, and the poor stay poor.....that is, poor people generally have lower iq's and tend to fall for marketing and advertisement easier than rich people.
I myself am not rich, but i am also not stupid. My Android phone does everything an iphone can do (although i admit the app store is not as good as iphone app store), and i pay £26/month for a free phone, 600 minutes talk time/unlimited texts and a sizeable amount of data.
Androids all come with free sat navs etc.
The iphone cant touch this deal. Standard iphone contracts here in the UK are £40/month plus you need to pay a large amount of money extra for sat navs etc.
iphones in the United Kingdom are a complete rip off, and i must admit the people i see using them are your typical chav type people who spend all their spare cash in the pub getting drunk after work.
Business people have blackberrys, and cool people have Androids in my area
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Partially agree, but blackberry is becoming a chav phone, young girls have the ****ty curve and their drug dealing 20 odd year old boyfriend has the ****ty bold.
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I have to agree, a lot of Android apps are not really polished and often are confusing to use.
But on the other hand you can do stuff which is flat out impossible on iPhone -- e.g. WidgetLocker.

You guys are forgetting Apple has strict rules for the App Store. Even design rules.

Looking at this discussion i am a little confuded. What do you people asking from your phones? To look glamour or to work smooth? Me I am really happy to have possibility changing every day look of my desktop and to install new apps only to look how it works on my Defy. I am really new user of Android and still learning. Whole differences between IOS and Android remainds me differences between McIntosh computers and PC's. First one has all put together and ready at once, but has not so many possibilities to change something - like IPhone. Second one is open for all range of applications - just like Android, and I like it .

Strict rules are beginning to happen in the marketplace :/ removed tv shows stream
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trurl3 said:
Looking at this discussion i am a little confuded. What do you people asking from your phones? To look glamour or to work smooth?
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Why can't you have both?
The smartphone "revolution" to call it something, came about by Apple being able to precisely do both: A phone that did a lot of stuff the other platforms were basically clueless about, and did it in a pretty way. Even today, the iPhone and iPad are *beautiful* pieces of hardware that are sort of being challenged by some of the Android OEM manufacturers (Galaxy Tab 10.1 comes to mind, HTC Incredible feels a lot like the iPhone 4).
Most of us are Android fans here, but don't let yourself be turned into a fanboy and be blinded by the truth, give Apple its due credit for, well, basically jumpstarting an entire industry around smartphones.
If Android is to really succeed it needs both to be functional *and* pretty. The smartphone is as much a tool as it is an accessory - denying it won't make it less true.
And to close, I'd like to point you to exhibit A - Linux desktop (I had Linux on my desktop for cpl of years, years ago - Today I use Win7)
For years on end as far back as I can remember, Linux users and fans would tout the technical aspects of Linux and how it is far superior to anything else out there. Things like memory management, speed, modularity, customizability, resiliency, etc. are all very impressive. And utterly irrelevant for like 99.99% of users (it might be 99.98% i'd need to check
What matters more to most users is how it actually feels to use it. How it feels to have one.
Both fan community and developer community (most of which are also fans) need to come to terms with this truth. It doesn't matter if Android is technically superior and super-duper customizable. For the masses, it needs to be pwetty and smooth.

The new Market needs to improve in load & download times. It can take ages for the Market to load & sometimes takes forever to download an app on wifi.

ferparedes said:
Why can't you have both?
The smartphone "revolution" to call it something, came about by Apple being able to precisely do both: A phone that did a lot of stuff the other platforms were basically clueless about, and did it in a pretty way. Even today, the iPhone and iPad are *beautiful* pieces of hardware that are sort of being challenged by some of the Android OEM manufacturers (Galaxy Tab 10.1 comes to mind, HTC Incredible feels a lot like the iPhone 4).
Most of us are Android fans here, but don't let yourself be turned into a fanboy and be blinded by the truth, give Apple its due credit for, well, basically jumpstarting an entire industry around smartphones.
If Android is to really succeed it needs both to be functional *and* pretty. The smartphone is as much a tool as it is an accessory - denying it won't make it less true.
And to close, I'd like to point you to exhibit A - Linux desktop (I had Linux on my desktop for cpl of years, years ago - Today I use Win7)
For years on end as far back as I can remember, Linux users and fans would tout the technical aspects of Linux and how it is far superior to anything else out there. Things like memory management, speed, modularity, customizability, resiliency, etc. are all very impressive. And utterly irrelevant for like 99.99% of users (it might be 99.98% i'd need to check
What matters more to most users is how it actually feels to use it. How it feels to have one.
Both fan community and developer community (most of which are also fans) need to come to terms with this truth. It doesn't matter if Android is technically superior and super-duper customizable. For the masses, it needs to be pwetty and smooth.
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I feel as if a phone should be smooth yes, but to give up functionality for the capability of saying "hey look how smooth scrolling back and forth looks on my idevice!" is absolutely insane, my personal opinion is this being able to 30 thousand times as much with your device > "look at my scrolling!"
this comes down to another thread come up recently about android never getting hardware acceleration, which i honestly think will happen from select manufacturers (i.e. prolly HTC if this lawsuit doesnt kill them and samsung at least will pay an entire crew of software engineers to make their androids as smooth as the idevices for the sake of ridding android of the ONLY thing anybody could ever complain about) and after that happens the market will be even more cornered than it is now, android absolutely dominating every feature, actually innovating with google's money instead of sueing anybody who has ever used a touchscreen in their device, and the general population will probably open their eyes and see just how exponentially much more android can do than MeeGo/WebOS/iOS/WP7/WinMo/Blackberry and they will wonder why they didnt switch in 2010 like those who foresaw this coming. dont get me wrong wp7/iDevices are awesome electronic products by all means and they suit the simple standard "i want to open the box, play one game every week, text a bit, and call my 1-4 friends with no work" consumer's needs, but android can fill EVERY consumers needs, yes android in theory requires more time to set up, if you want to, and if you dont want to? then you dont! but the thing is android gives you the choice to make a virtual representation of yourself/your personality if you so desire. NOBODY else offers this, or half of androids features and thats why I personally use Android over any other OS. not because android is better, but because it CAN do more.

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That would be perfect, but as we all know, perfection is always a goal to achieve, in reality hardly exist. Usualy you have to choose... If you want good lookin', you can have it, but often not much more. If you want something good working, sometimes as a bonus you can have good look
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Most of us are Android fans here, but don't let yourself be turned into a fanboy and be blinded by the truth, give Apple its due credits for, well, basically jumpstarting an entire industry around smartphones.
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I am strongely agree, we all have to give credits to Apple for starting and competing what moves all bussiness. And it is only for good so ways of Apple and another producers are different. We have opportunity to choose what we like.
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If Android is to really succeed it needs both to be functional *and* pretty. The smartphone is as much a tool as it is an accessory - denying it won't make it less true.
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That's the goal to achieve for android.

nice read...

Who cares about iPhone5 ? It's outdated already

I don't get the crazy foaming at the mouth hype for the upcoming iPhone5 Unless I am missing something, it still is still very much going to be like the iPhone4, which was like the iPhone3, rinse and repeat...The iPhone1 was way cool and bad ass, but Apple seemed to stop innovation after that.
I am a very happy Nexus-S owner, but there are some really cool phones due out this Fall to be excited about. Windows Mango running on a Samsung Galaxy S II hardware device will be uber cool And the Nexus-Three with the all new next gen Android OS "Ice Cream" will also be awesome.
To me the iPhone needs major changes to get back into the game. Still just a screen full of app icons Ok they finally added a notification bar, about time. What about widgets ? Or total customization out of the box, without a jailbreak ? How about a 4.3" AMOLED screen ? I don't know, but to me the last few iPhone releases don't look radically different, just more of the same, with a few old tweaks added.
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I don't get the crazy foaming at the mouth hype for the upcoming iPhone5 Unless I am missing something, it still is still very much going to be like the iPhone4, which was like the iPhone3, rinse and repeat...The iPhone1 was way cool and bad ass, but Apple seemed to stop innovation after that.
I am a very happy Nexus-S owner, but there are some really cool phones due out this Fall to be excited about. Windows Mango running on a Samsung Galaxy S II hardware device will be uber cool And the Nexus-Three with the all new next gen Android OS "Ice Cream" will also be awesome.
To me the iPhone needs major changes to get back into the game. Still just a screen full of app icons Ok they finally added a notification bar, about time. What about widgets ? Or total customization out of the box, without a jailbreak ? How about a 4.3" AMOLED screen ? I don't know, but to me the last few iPhone releases don't look radically different, just more of the same, with a few old tweaks added.
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Apple is never going to take those requests and put them into a phone.
Let me explain how apple works.
1. Buy parts from other manufacturers
2. Built electronics using cheaply bought parts (not knocking build quality)
3. Sell updated electronic from first ever design at an extremely high price
4. Profit from all the fanboys raving over the same device only with minor changes
LET THE TROLLING BEGIN! ;D

Zorachus said:
I don't get the crazy foaming at the mouth hype for the upcoming iPhone5 Unless I am missing something, it still is still very much going to be like the iPhone4, which was like the iPhone3, rinse and repeat...The iPhone1 was way cool and bad ass, but Apple seemed to stop innovation after that.
I am a very happy Nexus-S owner, but there are some really cool phones due out this Fall to be excited about. Windows Mango running on a Samsung Galaxy S II hardware device will be uber cool And the Nexus-Three with the all new next gen Android OS "Ice Cream" will also be awesome.
To me the iPhone needs major changes to get back into the game. Still just a screen full of app icons Ok they finally added a notification bar, about time. What about widgets ? Or total customization out of the box, without a jailbreak ? How about a 4.3" AMOLED screen ? I don't know, but to me the last few iPhone releases don't look radically different, just more of the same, with a few old tweaks added.
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I watched an Apple keynote about the iPhone 5 and showing the improvements and all. Before I saw the demonstration I thought the iPhone 5 would be like a whole new OS. After the demonstration it was the same tired old thing. I have an iPhone 4 and appreciate it for its simplicity and reliability and quality. But it is a tired system. Apple truly needs to move on to something new and fresh.
By the way, I love my Nexus S also. Just an excellent phone.

Your logic is sound more or less. But I could gurantee if apple released the iphone 5 that was exactly like the iphone 4 with only a cornea display as improvement, they would have the same if not more people buying the phone. When it comes to marketing, apple knows what they are doing.
They could sell someone a spoon for $10.
It would be nice to see something revolutionary spec wise like sgs2 from apple, it would warrent the pricing.

Of course the iPhone5 will have upgraded hardware, but based on the past four iPhone releases, the iPhone1 and iPhone4 are NOT radically different to the average joe blow, minor updates to the same tired OS. My sister-in-law, a huge tech geek, still uses her iPhone1 she bought in 2007, she sees no reason to upgrade to a new iPhone4, which doesn't look that much different to her. And she uses Mac Book Air's, and a MAC computer, etc...
I myself have owned the iPhone1 and iPhone3G, they were the greatest things ever back then, then a year after the 3G was getting stale and old to me, I saw the Nexus-One and never looked back, loving my rooted and custom ROM'd Nexus-S now, and looking forward to a Samsung WinMo 7 Mango phone on a Galaxy S II device or the Nexus-Three this Fall.

MIUI is proof positive that Android is superior

Loved the sex appeal of both phones I have owned but..... I got an ATRIX... will never return to iOS
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. I have an iPhone 4 and appreciate it for its simplicity and reliability and quality.
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after the constant irritation of having my leo for over a year, and reading the complaints of so many newer phones, I am considering an iphone.
I've flashed, hacked, ruined, and revived my hd2 numerous times, now I am burned out with playing around...i want honest reliability and a phone that simply WORKS dangit.
Not to mention the abuse for asking noob questions of hotheaded smart mouth xda members with "experience from the gods" who post everywhere with the same insulting "you're an idiot noob" type responses.
Look, I'm 38, married' business owner with 5 terrific kids...gimme a break already I'm not young with endless time and a bottomless wallet...just help out that's all.
Thank goodness for operation iron fist eh?
so, to answer the op, i might be.
neener neener.
p.s. i do not like the religious nature of apple fanboys however i am not gonna need to ask noob questions with an iphone, so they won't be a problem...

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after the constant irritation of having my leo for over a year, and reading the complaints of so many newer phones, I am considering an iphone.
I've flashed, hacked, ruined, and revived my hd2 numerous times, now I am burned out with playing around...i want honest reliability and a phone that simply WORKS dangit.
Not to mention the abuse for asking noob questions of hotheaded smart mouth xda members with "experience from the gods" who post everywhere with the same insulting "you're an idiot noob" type responses.
Look, I'm 38, married' business owner with 5 terrific kids...gimme a break already I'm not young with endless time and a bottomless wallet...just help out that's all.
Thank goodness for operation iron fist eh?
so, to answer the op, i might be.
neener neener.
p.s. i do not like the religious nature of apple fanboys however i am not gonna need to ask noob questions with an iphone, so they won't be a problem...
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Certainly sorry to hear android users give u such a hard time. Not that im taking up for them but over at the x10 forums I can see the same question asked on the same page 3 times with the answer in a post above, lmao. They are just frustrated that and ur chosen name prolly didnt help LOL
But by all means try an iphone and tell us about the experience or maybe even take a look at some reviews or read the forums of some android devices before going for the buy.

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after the constant irritation of having my leo for over a year, and reading the complaints of so many newer phones, I am considering an iphone.
I've flashed, hacked, ruined, and revived my hd2 numerous times, now I am burned out with playing around...i want honest reliability and a phone that simply WORKS dangit.
Not to mention the abuse for asking noob questions of hotheaded smart mouth xda members with "experience from the gods" who post everywhere with the same insulting "you're an idiot noob" type responses.
Look, I'm 38, married' business owner with 5 terrific kids...gimme a break already I'm not young with endless time and a bottomless wallet...just help out that's all.
Thank goodness for operation iron fist eh?
so, to answer the op, i might be.
neener neener.
p.s. i do not like the religious nature of apple fanboys however i am not gonna need to ask noob questions with an iphone, so they won't be a problem...
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I understand you very well about the responses people get here in XDA. Mainly it comes from young people who don't really have much life experience. But I've learned to let it roll off my shoulder.
The iPhone does indeed just work. It's super reliable as long as you don't jailbreak it. But the Nexus S is Google's iPhone and is better, in my opinion, that than the iPhone for all-around usability. Just don't customize with different ROMs. You can root for the sole purpose of using certain apps that require root, and I did that to mine. But I didn't allow the process to retain the custom recovery image and I let it return to the OEM recovery image then relocked it. I have a Nexus S that is completely stock in every way but is rooted to let me use root apps, which is all I care about in rooting.
The iPhone has a simpler video calling interface than the Nexus S. But once you get the right app set up on the Nexus, it is pretty much super simple. Oh...and the iPhone can't be beat for battery life. It's purely amazing how long the battery lasts on my iPhone 4. That is something Android can't compete with. The BL of Android is just generally horrendous. The NS isn't too bad, though, once you run through a few charge/discharge cycles.

kidrythm said:
after the constant irritation of having my leo for over a year, and reading the complaints of so many newer phones, I am considering an iphone.
I've flashed, hacked, ruined, and revived my hd2 numerous times, now I am burned out with playing around...i want honest reliability and a phone that simply WORKS dangit.
Not to mention the abuse for asking noob questions of hotheaded smart mouth xda members with "experience from the gods" who post everywhere with the same insulting "you're an idiot noob" type responses.
Look, I'm 38, married' business owner with 5 terrific kids...gimme a break already I'm not young with endless time and a bottomless wallet...just help out that's all.
Thank goodness for operation iron fist eh?
so, to answer the op, i might be.
neener neener.
p.s. i do not like the religious nature of apple fanboys however i am not gonna need to ask noob questions with an iphone, so they won't be a problem...
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Flash to stock for stability and wait for updates? :shrugs:
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kidrythm said:
after the constant irritation of having my leo for over a year, and reading the complaints of so many newer phones, I am considering an iphone.
I've flashed, hacked, ruined, and revived my hd2 numerous times, now I am burned out with playing around...i want honest reliability and a phone that simply WORKS dangit.
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I've gone from iphone 2g to my first android SGS2..
The iphone has their fair share of issues with firmware and updates. Once you start to mod and flash that thing, you're going to encounter the same issues you encountered with the Android.
If you want something that works out of the box, you have to just resist modding it..

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Flash to stock for stability and wait for updates? :shrugs:
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+1
I was pretty close to shipping the thing to mskip with funding to execute his protocol for nandroid...lol.
thinking over it, i despise apple, have since the eighties and with the new crowd of hipster d00ds ugh (i skipped sxsw).
no iphone for me...

just my 2 cents going out there...
I do love my android, it amazes me with what it can do and I learn to do new things all the time. it really grows on you. I love android, but iOS stole my soul haha. I think its the fact of having an iPhone, the "bandwagon" everyone is on, the "revolutionary" aspect, isn't very revolutionary. I'd say close to 50%? of us have 8 MP cameras, but if the iPhone 5 or 4G has one, everyone will think its the most amazing thing ever.
I have this discussion a lot with my friend, we both came from iOS, hundreds of jailbreaks, bricked devices, DFU mode nightmares, the whole nine yards. he went to windows, I'm on android. the latest we've done is build custom hackintoshes, so we dual boot OS X and win7, and I always find myself using apple... I supose its the simplicity of it and the fact that its so well known, the fact that there isn't 200 different devices. an iPhone is an iPhone, in a way it is revolutionary no matter what they seem to do, and I admit eventually I will go back to it for college, buy a Mac book air. they speak for themselves, and IMHO, I don't think apple will ever be less than number 1...
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Let me start by saying i am not a fanboy or a hater or anythign of those sorts. I respect what each os brings to the table. I use android and that is all i will use for the fact of customization and that i can do wateva the f*** i want to it. I have never been a fan of crapple products but i absolutely love the release of a new iPhone for 2 main reasons. The first is that, everytime apple releases a product, google releases their newest state-of-the-art product. Secondly, it gives me another chance to show my friends that my phone is still better than theirs.

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Let me start by saying i am not a fanboy or a hater or anythign of those sorts. I respect what each os brings to the table. I use android and that is all i will use for the fact of customization and that i can do wateva the f*** i want to it. I have never been a fan of crapple products but i absolutely love the release of a new iPhone for 2 main reasons. The first is that, everytime apple releases a product, google releases their newest state-of-the-art product. Secondly, it gives me another chance to show my friends that my phone is still better than theirs.
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LOL yeah. Wait till your friend brags and shows off his new iPhone5 like its the second coming and then you pull out the new Nexus-Prime and he just cries in shame.
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Zorachus said:
I don't get the crazy foaming at the mouth hype for the upcoming iPhone5 Unless I am missing something, it still is still very much going to be like the iPhone4, which was like the iPhone3, rinse and repeat...The iPhone1 was way cool and bad ass, but Apple seemed to stop innovation after that.
I am a very happy Nexus-S owner, but there are some really cool phones due out this Fall to be excited about. Windows Mango running on a Samsung Galaxy S II hardware device will be uber cool And the Nexus-Three with the all new next gen Android OS "Ice Cream" will also be awesome.
To me the iPhone needs major changes to get back into the game. Still just a screen full of app icons Ok they finally added a notification bar, about time. What about widgets ? Or total customization out of the box, without a jailbreak ? How about a 4.3" AMOLED screen ? I don't know, but to me the last few iPhone releases don't look radically different, just more of the same, with a few old tweaks added.
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Text in mty sig sez it all

I was a happy iPhone owner of the first two generations, I have just moved on, found it getting stale with hardly any changes, besides the obvious hardware upgrades yearly, it is the app drawer always open look I can't stand, plus the "toy" Fischer Price look and feel of the settings and icons, feels more like a chick phone or non techie phone, more for the average Joe blow.

I think both platforms are great.
I had an iPhone all the way up to 3g. It was an awesome device for it's time. It worked right out of the box with little to no setup. iTunes had a ton of apps to choose from and once jailbroken you could change the theme and do a few other nifty things.
BUT... it was god awful slow - I never had 3g speeds in my area, and even back to stock was a pain to have to wait... and wait... and wait for it to do ANYTHING.
My buddy got an iPhone 4 and although it is sleek and it runs great - I wasn't super impressed - it was the same ol phone but now had a front facing camera.
You were still stuck with the limitations of what Apple allowed you to have - no expansion, no switching out the battery, and no control over on how your phone looks/feels/tweaks etc...
I received a Samsung Captivate for my birthday. The screen is gorgeous, I had access to the battery and could even add memory! I didn't miss the front facing camera.. and the back camera is decent.
But right out of the box I had to come here and flash a custom ROM. This is a blessing and a curse. I had to spend a lot of time (ok hours) to ensure I didn't brick my brand new device.
Skip to today and I still have the same phone for over a year. Still snappy, the screen is still gorgeous. And now I have my choice of ROMs that I can easily and quickly flash to my device. Currently I run MIUI - which to me is a blend of awesomeness... of both IOS and Android
Either way... Apple designs a great device which is designed to be "thrown away" for the next model (which has been their business model for years now.) Its a great business plan.
That and since they (Apple) spend so much time with marketing and design of a "great" smartphone - the sheeple eat it up. I'm not knocking folks who get the device. It will work out of the box and you don't have to **** around with it for hours.
I personally prefer Android devices - I get to do what I want with them and I live with the bugs. As long as it's stable enough to make phone calls, send/rcv txts, and I can check my email - I'm good.

An interesting read from an iPhone user(not me)

http://us.news-republic.com/Web/ArticleWeb.aspx?regionid=1&articleid=7339419
Enjoy. Even though the reviewer still prefers iPhone seems the nexus 4 is making an impression on the I sheep.

Every now and then one of these guys wakes up from the Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field™ and realizes there's a whole 'nother world out there
His comment about Siri vs. Google Voice Search is the most telling. Anybody who has spent anytime with Android knew that Siri was a shoddy version of Voice Search turned into a marketing gimmick.. 3 years later this tech "journalist" has finally caught on.
Wow, I just clicked "See Original Article" to see who wrote this, and what do you know, it's MG Siegler... Amazing level of ineptitude for a guy who is such a prominent figure in his field. It's clear from this article he has never given Android the time of day and yet that's not stop him from spewing his drivel and getting paid for it

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I just cannot understand these kinds of comments. The iPhone 5 is a great product much like the Nexus 4.

Who cares what impression nexus 4 makes on other users(iphone users or whatever). As long as i like the device that is all it matters to me!
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I just cannot understand these kinds of comments. The iPhone 5 is a great product much like the Nexus 4.
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indeed it is but have you ever heard an Apple owner rant on? I think Apple products from a design point of view are astounding but the owners are mentalists and seem to view every other product on the planet as inferior, generally they will argue this point until you just get bored and give up.

I find it interesting that the author filled up his homepage full of icons just like iOS. Nothing more to that, just an observation.
Despite him being wrong about the orb in that it's not a dock and it's not magnetic, I did like his enthusiasm about it.
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indeed it is but have you ever heard an Apple owner rant on? I think Apple products from a design point of view are astounding but the owners are mentalists and seem to view every other product on the planet as inferior, generally they will argue this point until you just get bored and give up.
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Apple product stock vs android product stock, apple wins. If there were no custom kernels nexus 4 battery life would suck while iphone 5 makes it throughout the day. Apple products keep value the most over time + as u said design is better.
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Apple product stock vs android product stock, apple wins. If there were no custom kernels nexus 4 battery life would suck while iphone 5 makes it throughout the day. Apple products keep value the most over time + as u said design is better.
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They are honestly awful quality though. They may look nice but at least half of my friends that have them complain about the lock button which has stopped working on a ton of iPhones. Also that wonderful and beautiful aluminum bezel idea was stupid, it scratches and dents so easily. Its way to soft.

MrBelter said:
indeed it is but have you ever heard an Apple owner rant on? I think Apple products from a design point of view are astounding but the owners are mentalists and seem to view every other product on the planet as inferior, generally they will argue this point until you just get bored and give up.
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I am moving over to the Android side of the pond with 2 Nexus 4 16gb phones for my wife and I, coming from iPhone 4's. I had owned Android phones prior to the iPhones, most recently back in early 2011 with the Vibrant. We were really excited about the tech in the iPhone 4 phones, so we signed up for Verizon and have had those phones to date. Since then, we haven't noticed much other "innovation" with the iPhones, minus the Siri and somewhat faster processing (along with mildly increased screen resoultion/size and camera MP). Whereas the Android side of the pond, has seen some nice strides, and it seems like the Apple side is stuck with "more of the same" type thinking, in particular with the transition from the 4S to the 5.
We are really excited about the new Nexus phones that should be here very soon. Although I have an iPad 2, my kids use the Nabi 2 tablets (quad core, nVidia Tegra 3), and I have played on those some, which has given me the ability to try out some of the newer features in the Android OS 4.x updates. Seems like a really tight OS, even when compared to the air-tight iOS 6.x. Further, I like the fact that the Nexus phones are so easily customizable, whereas the iOS side of things is extremely "stale". Apple needs to take some notes, and understand that versatility is needed for their continued market growth. Although the iPhone 5 is a very nice phone, I feel it was a mistake that Apple will ultimately rue the day on, even though it is fairly popular. Why will they rue the day? Because, all those folks thinking the iPhone 5 is the greatest thing since slice bread and running out to buy it, are seeing that its just a minor update to the 4S, and is lacking innovation. This will put Apple in a tougher spot for the iPhone 5S or 6, as many people are looking and seeing all the cool things that the direction the Android OS/devices are taking.

Can anyone shed some light on why iPhone users love imessage so much, other than the fact it just distinguishes the person they're texting is another iPhone user?
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Can anyone shed some light on why iPhone users love imessage so much, other than the fact it just distinguishes the person they're texting is another iPhone user?
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It allows for real-time viewing of when the other ios device you are messaging, has read the message, and if they are in the process of responding back.

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It allows for real-time viewing of when the other ios device you are messaging, has read the message, and if they are in the process of responding back.
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IMO absolutely worthless if it is limited to only iOS users. Would be nice if the openness of Google voice and the Polish and ease of use of iMessage were to blend. Google voice IMO is a great idea and is a cool feature but its lacking in so many ways
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You really should have posted to original TC article.
Read the review and then reread it. The reviewer's only argument is the lack of the iApps he is used to + apps that do not exist on the android, but are huge on the ios. Noone is going to switch to a ecosystem that's missing all the apps that are used daily.
Nexus 4 could cure cancer, teleport you to Mars and solve world hunger for all he cares, but until developers start treating ios and android equally, ios wins - its rooted in the US, where the money is.
So to be fair, it's not really a review of the device, it's a review of the ecosystem.

Nexus 4 seems touch notch to me, less LTE. Great phone and design.
I'm in the minority, but I like a really small phone, large tablet. Phone has to be stable and fast, tablet can crash(that's not meant to be taken as IOS vs Android stability comment) . iPhone fits the bill for me.
Honestly the real reason is I feel if I'm not modding, and hacking up every different mobile device out there I'm missing out on the fun. iPhone, Android tablet, Palm tablet. ehhh not so much Blackberry. I like to eat from the technology buffet, one of everything.

md1008 said:
IMO absolutely worthless if it is limited to only iOS users. Would be nice if the openness of Google voice and the Polish and ease of use of iMessage were to blend. Google voice IMO is a great idea and is a cool feature but its lacking in so many ways
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I think apple like most of their products or features they want to keep it within the ecosystem. Just like BlackBerry has BBM. BBM is light years ahead of imessage though.
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And the article completely leaves out the pricing and versatility when it comes to providers, at least for some of us. These are points iphone cannot compete with in regards to new product.

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I just cannot understand these kinds of comments. The iPhone 5 is a great product much like the Nexus 4.
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My point has nothing to do with the iPhone 5. Steve Jobs was a master at manipulating media and the way Apple was perceived. Apple does hundreds of billions of dollars in notional trading to avoid corporate taxes, they've installed suicide nets at Foxconn, and they have had documented incidents of child labor. Yet, America loves Apple. That's the distortion field I'm talking about. MG Siegler is complicit in creating it. He's a hack journalist with a hack's knowledge of Android, which is clear from his Siri/Voice Search point.

Since the launch of the nexus 4 there have been really interesting articles from people who took the step and switched to an android device. As an iPhone user I am really considering. But I am afraid that its gonna be so time consuming to reproduce all my workflow and flashing several roms to try out the best configuraiton

drreen said:
Since the launch of the nexus 4 there have been really interesting articles from people who took the step and switched to an android device. As an iPhone user I am really considering. But I am afraid that its gonna be so time consuming to reproduce all my workflow and flashing several roms to try out the best configuraiton
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Well, yes and no. I could and probably should of stayed stock. Stock 4.2.2 was mind blowingly smooth and battery friendly. Only reason o flashed a ROM is because I have that bug. Stock android is a joy to use coming from skinned versions such as sense, touchwiz and motoblur. They all get old real fast. The simplicity and fluidity of the stock android experience is unmatched. Yes iOS is simple also. But you have one launcher, one configuration, and limited options. App development is huge among ios, no one can argue that point, but the playstore is leaps and bounds better than it was almost 4 years ago.

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My point has nothing to do with the iPhone 5. Steve Jobs was a master at manipulating media and the way Apple was perceived. Apple does hundreds of billions of dollars in notional trading to avoid corporate taxes, they've installed suicide nets at Foxconn, and they have had documented incidents of child labor. Yet, America loves Apple. That's the distortion field I'm talking about. MG Siegler is complicit in creating it. He's a hack journalist with a hack's knowledge of Android, which is clear from his Siri/Voice Search point.
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And other companies use child labor also, I'm certainly not defending it, or any companies. I'm glad this abuse is being brought to light so all can hopefully be forced to stop...http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162...nd-child-workers-at-samsung-supplier-factory/