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[Rant] iPhone 4 just works? Really?

Hey peeps and SGS owners. How many of you get the usual "iPhone 4 just works," "the iPhone is so much faster," "iPhone don't feel buggy," and the infamous "why didn't you get iPhone 4 instead?" comments from iPhags around you? I personally get them almost everyday.
Jeez, leave us alone. I mean, really? It just works? I bet you spend an hour trying to sort your music files into iTunes. I merely drag and drop. It's faster? Yeah, cause it's simply app pages. I get that smoothness without widgets. Feel buggy? Well, guess what, I customise my whole system myself, kernels, filesystems, roms. Why I didn't get the iPhone? Cause I simply chose not to.
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Good night fellas. Sorry had some boosts and it's 4 in the morning now. I don't know, just a bad day.

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seriously dude....iphone 4 just works
(just tryin to screw around with your head )

Problem is, it doesn't.

You have to admit (and if u don't you you self are a fag) that iphones are good bits of kit and shouldn't be flamed just for being an "iphone". It's the users of iphones who are the novices who think if it aint an iphone it's junk
But saying that my boss brought me his iphone4 it was totally dead it was fine batt was almost full and just died. I then did a google and found litterally hundrends and hundreds of posts similar to the on below
http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=11766746
So when ppl tell u their phone is th dog bollox and nothing does compare then show em threads like above.

At the end of the day i can see the benefits of both systems.
People say iphones work, well yes they do. But that's because apple have locked the thing down so hard it doesn't get the chance not to work. Iphones were designed for people who just want stuff to work and be simple.
People say android is buggy, etc. Well yeah at certain times things don't work as planned. But it normally gets fixed in no time. And on the plus side android seems capable of much more than ios.
Iphone is for coffee shop gurus.
Android is for people more than computer literate.
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Ironically, most of the comments I got from iPhone's owner is: Good to see there's something else. But then, they know I wouldn't put my money on an apple thinggy!
And I agree that iPhone is for the "Wanabe" geek as a new gizmo to show off with.
Android is for the reel geeks that uses the thing!

I completely agree with OP hell I even had my grandad trying to say the Iphone 4 just worked so I just death gripped it soon shut him up plus showed him about a dozen apps you'd have to pay for the I phone equivalents that do just work gnu/gpl ftw
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Iphone is like a communist state, you're not allowed to do this and that. Mr Jobs is like a dictator, dictating how one would use their phone. Its like freedom from a set of choice. Jailbroken your iphone is like capital punishment. Are you tired of generic home screen on the iphone? Android is democracy, do what like. Everytime people saw my galxyS with all the mods, its like a north korean saw a car for the first time. Sheeps use iphone, real people use android.
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okpc said:
Iphone is like a communist state, you're not allowed to do this and that. Mr Jobs is like a dictator, dictating how one would use their phone. Its like freedom from a set of choice. Jailbroken your iphone is like capital punishment. Are you tired of generic home screen on the iphone? Android is democracy, do what like. Everytime people saw my galxyS with all the mods, its like a north korean saw a car for the first time. Sheeps use iphone, real people use android.
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QFT my friend!

Wow, you guys are sensible. For once, I get comments that are not on a whole unjust to one side only. Haha. I don't hate iPhone 4, I just hate iOS and the users. I like the hardware though. Yeah, like communists. That's right!
And then, there's also jailbroken iPhone users. They think they are on top of the world with jailbreak.
How does this thread end up in Q&A? There should be a miscellaneous section for SGS users.

I don't get all the people that claim Android's are for technical people or "real geeks". That's a load of crap, Android is just as easy to use. It never forces you into the technical stuff.
Homescreens and the notification bar are two reasons I'd never leave Android for iOS. Just makes it so much nicer to use for me.
iPhones are great and all, but over hyped. They just have great marketing.

Android are easy use but if you have to mod everything yourself, its very technical but possible. Thats why thanks to people here, most of the hard yack are already done for you.
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Maddmatt said:
I don't get all the people that claim Android's are for technical people or "real geeks". That's a load of crap, Android is just as easy to use. It never forces you into the technical stuff.
Homescreens and the notification bar are two reasons I'd never leave Android for iOS. Just makes it so much nicer to use for me.
iPhones are great and all, but over hyped. They just have great marketing.
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I actually do think that android's are for more technically inclined people. The one thing about iphones is that they are simple. There are minimal bugs, and minimal number of configs. Other people can solve their problems quickly, and you won't have issues with incompatible apps and so on..
And a phone should be like its user.. Android users are more complex

okpc said:
Iphone is like a communist state, you're not allowed to do this and that. Mr Jobs is like a dictator, dictating how one would use their phone. Its like freedom from a set of choice. Jailbroken your iphone is like capital punishment. Are you tired of generic home screen on the iphone? Android is democracy, do what like. Everytime people saw my galxyS with all the mods, its like a north korean saw a car for the first time.
Sheeps use iphone, real people use android.
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Good post, okpc +1

It's not so much that android is for more technical people, but rather, it's for more adventurous people. Sure, the iphone has its jailbreak, but even the freedom that affords is limited. With android, the potential for personal customization is as limited as your uber-geek skills.

nwsk said:
I actually do think that android's are for more technically inclined people. The one thing about iphones is that they are simple. There are minimal bugs, and minimal number of configs. Other people can solve their problems quickly, and you won't have issues with incompatible apps and so on..
And a phone should be like its user.. Android users are more complex
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It's simple if you have apple gear.. The moment you have any flacs or other formats, things get tricky.

I came from an iPhone and the Galaxy S is my first Android device.
iPhone, well generally it works but it's really tied down... until you jailbreak it and throw all sorts of funky stuff from Cydia/Rock with fancy MobileSubstrate stuff. But it's still very uncomparable to what Android has to offer once you do the customizing.
Android in general(I guess?), is for generally more technically inclined or as someone mentioned, adventurous personals. I've seen friends with an Android device and let me tell you, they are MOSTLY very heavily modded with custom ROMs/Kernels... you name it!
So an Android device by itself, is like a jailbroken iPhone. A rooted Android with custom ROMs/Kernels is... asdfghjkl;kjhgfd - sorry, I was wiping jizz off my keyboard.

When iphone users look at my galaxy s they normally say "it's very like the iphone" to which I always reply "yah it is....... Only better"
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Good that people have a choice nowadays ....
There was a time where no smartphone could compete with the iPhone, even after it been over 2 years on the market.
But you can say whatever you want about Apple .. they have a very sophisticated sense for clean and functional design. Be it the hardware or the software. They have very strict design guidelines, and thats the reason the apps are often looking more polished.
So, for people who are very visually-orientated, iPhone would be a natural choice. For the tech-savy folks, Android is the clear winner.

Adevem said:
I came from an iPhone and the Galaxy S is my first Android device.
iPhone, well generally it works but it's really tied down... until you jailbreak it and throw all sorts of funky stuff from Cydia/Rock with fancy MobileSubstrate stuff. But it's still very uncomparable to what Android has to offer once you do the customizing.
Android in general(I guess?), is for generally more technically inclined or as someone mentioned, adventurous personals. I've seen friends with an Android device and let me tell you, they are MOSTLY very heavily modded with custom ROMs/Kernels... you name it!
So an Android device by itself, is like a jailbroken iPhone. A rooted Android with custom ROMs/Kernels is... asdfghjkl;kjhgfd - sorry, I was wiping jizz off my keyboard.
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LOL that last part! Too excited huh... XD
Oh yeah, I was a iPhone user as well. Dated back to iPod Video era, then to iPod 2G, iPhone 3GS, but I skipped iPhone 4, that's when Android came in. People start to realise that there are other smartphones worth keeping, not symbian btw.

Nokia to beat Android?

Here's the article: http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/nokia-our-first-priority-is-beating-android/
My first thoughts were....hahahaha! In their dreams.
Open source can't be beat, simple as that. But Google do need to come up with a better strategy for implementing their OS on the devices otherwise fragmentation will drive potential customers away.
In my view WP7 is a step backwards, the UI is horrible with home being filed with tons of tiles that you have to scroll through, no real multitasking, locked down like iOS etc, and now Nokia thinks that this move will beat Android. Are they that arrogant?
I did a speed test comparison between DHD and HD7 and WP7 got its ass smacked, it loaded apps/games much slower.
They should of made a better version of N900, that was not a bad phone but could of been a monster.
Your thoughts?

The day that Nokia has dominance over Android, I will get an iphone. I currently own the 1 and only Evo 4g, rooted, stock. (wireless tether of course).

yeah i think nokia is making a bad move

lol good old nokia trying to make a comeback...

I honestly don't know who even carries Nokia phones anymore They once made really nice phones. Windows mobile or phone 7 or what ever they are calling it this year is in the same boat imo. I carried wm since the HTC 8125. And year after year I pationatly waited for ms to get it right, and they never did. It did get better in terms of reliability but I still had to reset my tilt 2 a few times a week.
I think the team up could be good for them but I could care less.
To me, It's like 2 old men in your neighborhood teaming up and thinking they are gonna take back that snow shoveling biz that they had when they were kids all the while everyone already has the youngsters down the street with their self propelled snow blowers that knock out the jobs in no time.
They pissed off most of us loyal wm folks along time ago and you know how that saying about screw me once, screw me twice goes....not gonna happen to me.
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Hmmnn, noki is not going anywhere except in your dreams

Speaking of steps backwards hows the whole no GPU accelerated UI treating you guys? I'm loving having a homescreen that doesnt look like an iphone ripoff. Nokia has an astounding market share in the European market, they have the power to help drive WP7 much higher. Call it a step backwards if you'd like. It's nice to not have to flash a new rom at least once a week to have a functional phone.

I like Nokias phones. My brother has the n8 and the camera is amazing! hopefully this works out and I'll get a nokia with a xenon flash

z33dev33l said:
Speaking of steps backwards hows the whole no GPU accelerated UI treating you guys? I'm loving having a homescreen that doesnt look like an iphone ripoff. Nokia has an astounding market share in the European market, they have the power to help drive WP7 much higher. Call it a step backwards if you'd like. It's nice to not have to flash a new rom at least once a week to have a functional phone.
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There it is, that's what I was waiting for.
UI is hardware accelerated on 2.3 and up, even 2.2 can have it with a minor file modification. How the no copy/paste going? Or hows the whole can't edit a email when forwarding going? When M$ bring out an update will you jump around like a little schoolgirl and call it innovation? C'mon man, the OS is seriously lacking the most important features, it's shameful.
Sure stock UIs layout is slightly like iPhones but looks nothing like it though. You see, I can make the UI looks how I want which fits my needs, not what a few guys think it should be.
Flashing ROMs has nothing to do with having a functional phone, it's only to improve it further and bring out the potential.
Nokia may help with a few sales but many longtime fans will turn around and look elsewhere for a phone to fulfill their needs.

Nokia wont ever beat android
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Why not??? Nokia will beat Android... Didnt u read the article?

ErOR22 said:
There it is, that's what I was waiting for.
UI is hardware accelerated on 2.3 and up, even 2.2 can have it with a minor file modification. How the no copy/paste going? Or hows the whole can't edit a email when forwarding going? When M$ bring out an update will you jump around like a little schoolgirl and call it innovation? C'mon man, the OS is seriously lacking the most important features, it's shameful.
Sure stock UIs layout is slightly like iPhones but looks nothing like it though. You see, I can make the UI looks how I want which fits my needs, not what a few guys think it should be.
Flashing ROMs has nothing to do with having a functional phone, it's only to improve it further and bring out the potential.
Nokia may help with a few sales but many longtime fans will turn around and look elsewhere for a phone to fulfill their needs.
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Important features? in the 2 years I had android I can not remember a single occurrence in which I used C&P or needed to edit a forwarded email. Would it be nice? Sure. Is it necessary? Not at all. The point is while android has these features most of them are haphazardly thrown together and hardly functional where what WP7 has (even though it is lacking some features) truly works without having to jump through hoops. GPU acceleration is possible apparently on 2.3 plus but due to fragmentation and other issues it isn't implemented. If you can truly say the vibrant with its impossible lag or the dodgy touchscreen on the cliq or any of the other ill built phones were functional before custom roms your much more prone to fanboyism than I. It's nice to have a phone that really works, android was a low-end alternative to the iphone, putting it on high end devices is like throwing a Chevy cavalier engine in a lambo, it just makes them look bad except to the community thats always flashing roms which frankl, I dont have the time for any more.

I think Nokia partnering with Microsoft to make WP7 phones is a dumb move. Elop was quoted as saying Nokia is like being on a burning oil platform in the North Sea. So what he wants to do, is to jump onto another burning oil platform called WP7? I think it's entirely due to the fact that Elop is a former Microsoft exec!
I wasn't at all surprised, when I read an article yesterday that said investors were so upset with the news that Nokia stock price fell 14% and many Nokia employees were so upset, they used flex time and left work early.
What I think Nokia should have done, is partnered with Google and used Android. These new phones should be supplied with some kind of proprietary libraries or emulation that only works in Nokia phones to allow existing Symbian apps to run seamlessly. That way, it would provide a practical upgrade path for existing Nokia phone owners. This worked great for Apple when they went to OS X which was a completely different UNIX-based architecture, but used Rosetta to allow old PPC Mac OS apps to run. They could even market a play on words with Symbian related to symbiosis.
I just don't see how going to the smartphone platform with the least market share will help matters. WP7 has less market share than even old WinMo 6.x according to current stats.

GnatGoSplat said:
I think Nokia partnering with Microsoft to make WP7 phones is a dumb move. Elop was quoted as saying Nokia is like being on a burning oil platform in the North Sea. So what he wants to do, is to jump onto another burning oil platform called WP7? I think it's entirely due to the fact that Elop is a former Microsoft exec!
I wasn't at all surprised, when I read an article yesterday that said investors were so upset with the news that Nokia stock price fell 14% and many Nokia employees were so upset, they used flex time and left work early.
What I think Nokia should have done, is partnered with Google and used Android. These new phones should be supplied with some kind of proprietary libraries or emulation that only works in Nokia phones to allow existing Symbian apps to run seamlessly. That way, it would provide a practical upgrade path for existing Nokia phone owners. This worked great for Apple when they went to OS X which was a completely different UNIX-based architecture, but used Rosetta to allow old PPC Mac OS apps to run. They could even market a play on words with Symbian related to symbiosis.
I just don't see how going to the smartphone platform with the least market share will help matters. WP7 has less market share than even old WinMo 6.x according to current stats.
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Your whole argument is based on the foundation that WP7 in 4 months didn't sell as much as WM did since 03? Really? Ya don't say? Their choices were either be just another fish in the android OEM pool that would have received no more attention and no more rights than any other or be THE manufacturer of WP7. Really though, why would you jump from marketing symbian to marketing some re-skinned version of android... that's like jumping from Windows ME to windows Vista. They're both buggy and both require tons of modification before they're usable. Android only sold because it was marketed by google and essentially looked like a low-end iphone for every carrier. WP7 is innovation, it currently lacks a few basic features but what it does have works and thats more than any other OS except iOS can say and honestly, who wants those hardware limitations and ugly UI?

Well, we all know what Vic Gundotra thinks about this...

z33dev33l said:
Your whole argument is based on the foundation that WP7 in 4 months didn't sell as much as WM did since 03? Really? Ya don't say? Their choices were either be just another fish in the android OEM pool that would have received no more attention and no more rights than any other or be THE manufacturer of WP7. Really though, why would you jump from marketing symbian to marketing some re-skinned version of android... that's like jumping from Windows ME to windows Vista. They're both buggy and both require tons of modification before they're usable. Android only sold because it was marketed by google and essentially looked like a low-end iphone for every carrier. WP7 is innovation, it currently lacks a few basic features but what it does have works and thats more than any other OS except iOS can say and honestly, who wants those hardware limitations and ugly UI?
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No, my whole argument is based on WP7 being a sales FAIL. The comparison to WM is only a point of reference, because it's generally well accepted that except for a few fanboys, nobody likes WM.
No, their choices were to use Android, a product that people actually WANT, vs WP7, a product that nobody wants. It doesn't matter how awesome or innovative you may think WP7 is, if nobody wants it, nobody's going to buy it. So if Nokia wants to make money, and unless I'm mistaken, but all companies exist to do one thing and that is make money, they should choose the platform that makes money rather than one nobody wants.
You're saying iOS has an ugly UI? Compared to WP7? Seriously? For most people I know (and according to sales figures, most people worldwide), the UI is what turned them off to WP7 and drove them to Android or iOS.

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Important features? in the 2 years I had android I can not remember a single occurrence in which I used C&P or needed to edit a forwarded email. Would it be nice? Sure. Is it necessary? Not at all. The point is while android has these features most of them are haphazardly thrown together and hardly functional where what WP7 has (even though it is lacking some features) truly works without having to jump through hoops. GPU acceleration is possible apparently on 2.3 plus but due to fragmentation and other issues it isn't implemented. If you can truly say the vibrant with its impossible lag or the dodgy touchscreen on the cliq or any of the other ill built phones were functional before custom roms your much more prone to fanboyism than I. It's nice to have a phone that really works, android was a low-end alternative to the iphone, putting it on high end devices is like throwing a Chevy cavalier engine in a lambo, it just makes them look bad except to the community thats always flashing roms which frankl, I dont have the time for any more.
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lol wut?
This is basic functionality I use most days. Even if I used it monthly the whole point is that when I need it it's there, thats the power of android. You don't need all the features every day, but when you do need it its all there ready.

I will take a speedy UI and no c&p over the opposite any day. No one dropped wp7 and turned to Android or IOS because of the UI. No one has used wp7 because they're a fanboy of either of the other oses and think anything else is wrong. Wp7 in its first poor iteration has a more complete feeling than any of the 30ish Android devices I've owned and that's just sad. Wp7 is small now because people fear change regardless of how much smoother the user experience is.

z33dev33l said:
I will take a speedy UI and no c&p over the opposite any day. No one dropped wp7 and turned to Android or IOS because of the UI. No one has used wp7 because they're a fanboy of either of the other oses and think anything else is wrong. Wp7 in its first poor iteration has a more complete feeling than any of the 30ish Android devices I've owned and that's just sad. Wp7 is small now because people fear change regardless of how much smoother the user experience is.
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Not true. The only fanboys I know are on this site. I've recently talked to many smartphone n00bs who are getting a smartphone for the first time. Just from playing with the phone in the showroom, they narrow it down to Android or iPhone. WP7 is never even considered. Some people will switch from Android to iPhone and vice versa. People on this forum excluded, I don't know anyone who has even considered going from iPhone to WP7 or Android to WP7. Even my wife, who isn't even remotely a fanboy, has no interest in WP7 simply because she doesn't like how, "it looks so plain and boring". Maybe people would love WP7 if they actually used it for awhile, but Microsoft can't even get them through the door, much less reel them in.

Wp7 needs a mascot like a bald guy in a turtleneck or a little green robot. Then it would be srsbiz.

looking for the best online deal for a cellphone.

Okay, so im looking for the best deal online for a cellphone preferably through t-mobile and it'd need to be windows phone 7. I am willing to sign a new contract, at&Ts network is just too overloaded in my area and t-mobile is just a bit more friendly. I dont care if it's the venue pro or the hd7 and I've checked wirefly and lets talk. I just want to find the best deal for my money.

Or you could go android....
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Amazon? xD

Nerz said:
Or you could go android....
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Not desperate enough to downgrade like that.

try amazon!

Thanks for the Amazon suggestions. I'd never actually used Amazon before but it's 50 dollars less. If I can't find anything better by tomorrow I'm switching over.

If you cannot handle Android's Suzuki Hayabusa, it's a good idea to stick with WP7's pink Huffy with training wheels. Amazon is great either way.
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If you cannot handle Android's Suzuki Hayabusa, it's a good idea to stick with WP7's pink Huffy with training wheels. Amazon is great either way.
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nice, compare the OS who's main complaints are lag and fragmentation to the fast bike, outstanding. This thread was not intended to turn into a **** measuring contest between OSes, I've reduced enough fandroids to petty 2nd grade insults in every other one of those I've entered. This thread was simply to get some advice, stop trying to compensate for your perpetually dated OS.

Remove panties, untwist, reapply.
If you are happy using a child-friendly phone, surely you can take a joke.
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Thank you for proving my point, if child friendly means Im not forced to spend hours modifying it before it can pass as functional then I'm more than happy. Look mommy, no lag.

Yep, Android is the most successful mobile OS, with the largest marketshare and the fastest growth in the history of cellular technology precisely because it requires hours of technical modification before it even becomes usable...
WP7 is barely a blip on the mobile OS radar because the only thing it offers is a smooth UI. It accomplishes this by having no customization. You can play with the phone for a day and have done everything the phone is capable of. This appeals to (a tiny minority) of people who want something to hold their hands while they go about their facebooking and emailing. There is nothing that WP7 offers that Android is incapable of doing, but the list of things WP7 is incapable of would turn any forum post into a Novella.
You like the simplicity of WP7, cool. Those pretty colors on the blocks that tell you if you have an email or text message are rad. I can run a fully functional WP7 launcher on my phone and stare at that before I go into a boredom coma. How many Android launchers with widgets, live wallpapers and customizable icons can you run on your super sweet OS?
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I believe the term here, and I apologize for my butchering of the English language, is, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Yes, android is the largest and fastest growing mobile OS, lets go to t-mobile's website, oh, 2 free android phones and some free flip phones, wonder which I'm going to pick. Hmm, let's try ATT, wow, same thing. Android can be used by anybody, any oem, and because of that it's optimized for nobody. This is why it will always feel like going back to windows 95 to me.
As far as your other statement goes, the UI is a massive selling point, absolutely lag free. However, it does have other points. The social networking integration can not come close with any number of apps on android, Zune pass annihilates any service on android, wp7 makes gaming on android look like a joke for the most part and has full Xbox live integration, the most amusing game I've found thus far on either OS came out near each of their releases. For windows phone 7 its the beautifully crafted IloMilo and for android it's a basic tower defense game, robo-defense. Still robo-defense doesn't work on a number of devices because of *gasp* fragmentation. With the release of your new android device the sword of Damocles is hanging over your head, fat chance that it's ever going to see an update. I own an S2 as well and that things been in my kitchen drawer since 2 days after I got it because it has no wow factor at all. Sure opposed to most android phones the lag is greatly reduced but that's about as relevant as coming in first in the special olympics.
For us devs, the dev environment of wp7 is 1000 times easier than androids and much more user friendly, last I heard androids dev support doesn't even offer anything more than a dead email address anymore. Most importantly, wp7 is people-centric as they like to call it. The main point of a phone is to keep up with people and for that it's perfect. I can pull up a contact, read up on what's going on, message them on Facebook or via SMS, hell I could shoot em an email if I wanted to I suppose. I can do all of this with the full facebook/twitter/live integration out of the box (and yes, my most recent hd7 shipped with mango so I guess they are shipping them out that way now)
Finally, sure, you could launch a piss poor emulation of wp7 on your device, you could even get a cheap rip-off of our keyboard and while imitation is the most sincere form of flattery, regardless of how poorly done, windows doesn't need to do that because hey look, our OS actually works. If it ran on every piece of hardware, if OEMs didn't have to pay for it, and if we'd let Chinese companies that make tablets and sell em for 80 dollars use our OS then we'd have all that hype too. Of course then we'd likely be laggy, fragmented, and always feel like windows 95.

Well it wasn't my intention to derail the thread from it's original topic, I was just being a smart ass.
That being said, I am honestly glad Microsoft is doing atleast a decent enough job to pull a couple users away from Android. WP7 is useless to me as well as the majority of other heavy users, but competition breeds innovation. The better WP7 gets, the better the competition gets in response. Win-win.
I'll consider going back to WP7 when it offers the ability to modify and update the OS and UI independent of Microsoft and the carriers whim. They have free wifi tether yet, either?
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z33dev33l said:
I believe the term here, and I apologize for my butchering of the English language, is, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Yes, android is the largest and fastest growing mobile OS, lets go to t-mobile's website, oh, 2 free android phones and some free flip phones, wonder which I'm going to pick. Hmm, let's try ATT, wow, same thing. Android can be used by anybody, any oem, and because of that it's optimized for nobody. This is why it will always feel like going back to windows 95 to me.
As far as your other statement goes, the UI is a massive selling point, absolutely lag free. However, it does have other points. The social networking integration can not come close with any number of apps on android, Zune pass annihilates any service on android, wp7 makes gaming on android look like a joke for the most part and has full Xbox live integration, the most amusing game I've found thus far on either OS came out near each of their releases. For windows phone 7 its the beautifully crafted IloMilo and for android it's a basic tower defense game, robo-defense. Still robo-defense doesn't work on a number of devices because of *gasp* fragmentation. With the release of your new android device the sword of Damocles is hanging over your head, fat chance that it's ever going to see an update. I own an S2 as well and that things been in my kitchen drawer since 2 days after I got it because it has no wow factor at all. Sure opposed to most android phones the lag is greatly reduced but that's about as relevant as coming in first in the special olympics.
For us devs, the dev environment of wp7 is 1000 times easier than androids and much more user friendly, last I heard androids dev support doesn't even offer anything more than a dead email address anymore. Most importantly, wp7 is people-centric as they like to call it. The main point of a phone is to keep up with people and for that it's perfect. I can pull up a contact, read up on what's going on, message them on Facebook or via SMS, hell I could shoot em an email if I wanted to I suppose. I can do all of this with the full facebook/twitter/live integration out of the box (and yes, my most recent hd7 shipped with mango so I guess they are shipping them out that way now)
Finally, sure, you could launch a piss poor emulation of wp7 on your device, you could even get a cheap rip-off of our keyboard and while imitation is the most sincere form of flattery, regardless of how poorly done, windows doesn't need to do that because hey look, our OS actually works. If it ran on every piece of hardware, if OEMs didn't have to pay for it, and if we'd let Chinese companies that make tablets and sell em for 80 dollars use our OS then we'd have all that hype too. Of course then we'd likely be laggy, fragmented, and always feel like windows 95.
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can't go wrong with tmobile lowest mainstream contract to offer its unlimited web plan. with being that said wp7 is a real battery hogger as i've heard i think that's what makes up for it's high end graphic UI's pushing it.

Mcds said:
can't go wrong with tmobile lowest mainstream contract to offer its unlimited web plan. with being that said wp7 is a real battery hogger as i've heard i think that's what makes up for it's high end graphic UI's pushing it.
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Yeah my pre-Mango HD7 got 4-6 hours of moderate to heavy use. But my OC'd and heavily animated G2x only gets a few more hours than that of the same use, so you pick your poison.
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Pre-mango I'll admit, my battery life on all four of my wp7 devices was a joke, my dvp is literally twice as strong battery-wise, my hd7 gets around 13 hours moderate-heavy usage, and my focus can go two days. That part blew me away. As for what you want from windows phone, the ability to update outside of Microsoft is there for htc's devices though I personally dont see the point in intentionally introducing fragmentation to an OS that is free of it. I doubt there will ever be much more customization than what's intact for the UI, honestly I love not having to move stuff around frequently always looking for that clean but efficient look but that was always just my personal aesthetic preference.

Reasons why Android kills iPhones

LETS WRITE DOWN SOME REASONS WHY ANDROID'S ARE BETTER THAN IPHONES ​
1. OTA (Over the air) updates. No need to plug in to itunes
2. Freedom to change roms, root, customize, etc
3. Similar markets but Android Market has tons of more stuff
4. Now is when the iPhone has 4G ? You're a year late Apple :\
5. Tsk tsk tsk, still no 3D? Bragging about 1080p and 8mp and dual core? The Epic had this several months ago
6. Why pay $800 bucks for it (On ebay), when I can get an Evo 3D on ebay for $350?
Join the fun, get at em boys!

Wow, talk about a generally blind post riddled with fanboyism.

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I don't really see it as fanboyism considering that it's pretty much bang on the mark. I think iOS is an appalling piece of firmware. There is nothing interesting about an app draw, and let's face it, that's all it is. And that's just the apparent.
The hardware on the 4S is fantastic but by no means anything to brag about.
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It is a matter of perspective and experience which define our "likes". For example to the novice/beginner computer user, the iOS is the best piece of software they could come across. Why? Because you do not need to go through menus to do something. Or click on the app drawer icon to display your apps. (Note to a novice or beginner, they will not fathom any of these ideas as they ar unfamilar with the whole technoligcal world, hence having a difficult or less simple experience, this all from my experience with my friends, some didn't even know how to call)
You simply swipe, and pick. Simple eh? So there it is, a bragging right, even the most unexperienced will be able to handle the iOS. That is what you call a good software based on the software principles. Usability.

You realize that iOS 5 brings OTA updates right? Might want to actually research the competition before you ridicule it like an idiot. Personally I love both. I use a Nexus S and iPhone interchangeably. I see no need to bash the other OS, it's all a matter of opinion. I say the exact same thing to all the screaming apple fanatics on MacRumors.
And for the record I like iOS better than Android but with ICS on the verge of release that may even the play field.

Reasons why Android kills iPhones, three letters ICS.

Android is what separates the men from the iPussies.

you forgot Android is a cooler name o_0

1. OTA (Over the air) updates. No need to plug in to itunes
iOS5 has OTA capability
2. Freedom to change roms, root, customize, etc
Jailbreak
3. Similar markets but Android Market has tons of more stuff
Ummm Appstore probably has more apps than android market
4. Now is when the iPhone has 4G ? You're a year late Apple :\
Technically outside of LTE phones which were released this year, they're really not that late
5. Tsk tsk tsk, still no 3D? Bragging about 1080p and 8mp and dual core? The Epic had this several months ago
3D to most folks = gimmick
6. Why pay $800 bucks for it (On ebay), when I can get an Evo 3D on ebay for $350?
Who really wants to get an Evo 3D on ebay for $350? Also price gets better away from the initial release date where the demand is much greater than the supply

My guess is that you're..... 13?
C'mon, even with me being a fan of Android, I don't post ridiculous threads on why Android is better than iOS. Then to top it off add a poll to a predominately Android favored website.
Any respectable smartphone user won't join in your iBashing.

I have to say, iOS5 is a beauty.. and I have been an android man through and through.. ICS didnt impress me at all.. No new real "Bang" features.. just re-polishing stuff that should have already been polished. I'm disappointed Android, I wanted a reason to sell my iP4s for a wad of cash and get a Nexus.. Guess ill stick with it.

Given the obscenely unintelligent posts put forth by numerous members here you guys have no reason to mock iAnything.

What the hells the point in thie flame bait thread?
Both platforms have their advantages and disadvantages. It is as simple as that.

I choose Android.
Why? Because your phone is You.
It's a reflective image of you.
And with the Android, you're gonna make it happen.

because android easy to use

Android VS iOS: FIGHT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnw6ROzremw

The screen on Iphones is far too small and only fit for making phone calls. Apple are deliberately doing this to make people buy an Ipad.

It's simply opinion. I prefer Android and I generally don't like Apple products, period.
I guess both have their pros and cons though...
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An interesting read from an iPhone user(not me)

http://us.news-republic.com/Web/ArticleWeb.aspx?regionid=1&articleid=7339419
Enjoy. Even though the reviewer still prefers iPhone seems the nexus 4 is making an impression on the I sheep.

Every now and then one of these guys wakes up from the Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field™ and realizes there's a whole 'nother world out there
His comment about Siri vs. Google Voice Search is the most telling. Anybody who has spent anytime with Android knew that Siri was a shoddy version of Voice Search turned into a marketing gimmick.. 3 years later this tech "journalist" has finally caught on.
Wow, I just clicked "See Original Article" to see who wrote this, and what do you know, it's MG Siegler... Amazing level of ineptitude for a guy who is such a prominent figure in his field. It's clear from this article he has never given Android the time of day and yet that's not stop him from spewing his drivel and getting paid for it

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I just cannot understand these kinds of comments. The iPhone 5 is a great product much like the Nexus 4.

Who cares what impression nexus 4 makes on other users(iphone users or whatever). As long as i like the device that is all it matters to me!
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I just cannot understand these kinds of comments. The iPhone 5 is a great product much like the Nexus 4.
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indeed it is but have you ever heard an Apple owner rant on? I think Apple products from a design point of view are astounding but the owners are mentalists and seem to view every other product on the planet as inferior, generally they will argue this point until you just get bored and give up.

I find it interesting that the author filled up his homepage full of icons just like iOS. Nothing more to that, just an observation.
Despite him being wrong about the orb in that it's not a dock and it's not magnetic, I did like his enthusiasm about it.
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indeed it is but have you ever heard an Apple owner rant on? I think Apple products from a design point of view are astounding but the owners are mentalists and seem to view every other product on the planet as inferior, generally they will argue this point until you just get bored and give up.
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Apple product stock vs android product stock, apple wins. If there were no custom kernels nexus 4 battery life would suck while iphone 5 makes it throughout the day. Apple products keep value the most over time + as u said design is better.
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Apple product stock vs android product stock, apple wins. If there were no custom kernels nexus 4 battery life would suck while iphone 5 makes it throughout the day. Apple products keep value the most over time + as u said design is better.
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They are honestly awful quality though. They may look nice but at least half of my friends that have them complain about the lock button which has stopped working on a ton of iPhones. Also that wonderful and beautiful aluminum bezel idea was stupid, it scratches and dents so easily. Its way to soft.

MrBelter said:
indeed it is but have you ever heard an Apple owner rant on? I think Apple products from a design point of view are astounding but the owners are mentalists and seem to view every other product on the planet as inferior, generally they will argue this point until you just get bored and give up.
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I am moving over to the Android side of the pond with 2 Nexus 4 16gb phones for my wife and I, coming from iPhone 4's. I had owned Android phones prior to the iPhones, most recently back in early 2011 with the Vibrant. We were really excited about the tech in the iPhone 4 phones, so we signed up for Verizon and have had those phones to date. Since then, we haven't noticed much other "innovation" with the iPhones, minus the Siri and somewhat faster processing (along with mildly increased screen resoultion/size and camera MP). Whereas the Android side of the pond, has seen some nice strides, and it seems like the Apple side is stuck with "more of the same" type thinking, in particular with the transition from the 4S to the 5.
We are really excited about the new Nexus phones that should be here very soon. Although I have an iPad 2, my kids use the Nabi 2 tablets (quad core, nVidia Tegra 3), and I have played on those some, which has given me the ability to try out some of the newer features in the Android OS 4.x updates. Seems like a really tight OS, even when compared to the air-tight iOS 6.x. Further, I like the fact that the Nexus phones are so easily customizable, whereas the iOS side of things is extremely "stale". Apple needs to take some notes, and understand that versatility is needed for their continued market growth. Although the iPhone 5 is a very nice phone, I feel it was a mistake that Apple will ultimately rue the day on, even though it is fairly popular. Why will they rue the day? Because, all those folks thinking the iPhone 5 is the greatest thing since slice bread and running out to buy it, are seeing that its just a minor update to the 4S, and is lacking innovation. This will put Apple in a tougher spot for the iPhone 5S or 6, as many people are looking and seeing all the cool things that the direction the Android OS/devices are taking.

Can anyone shed some light on why iPhone users love imessage so much, other than the fact it just distinguishes the person they're texting is another iPhone user?
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Can anyone shed some light on why iPhone users love imessage so much, other than the fact it just distinguishes the person they're texting is another iPhone user?
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It allows for real-time viewing of when the other ios device you are messaging, has read the message, and if they are in the process of responding back.

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It allows for real-time viewing of when the other ios device you are messaging, has read the message, and if they are in the process of responding back.
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IMO absolutely worthless if it is limited to only iOS users. Would be nice if the openness of Google voice and the Polish and ease of use of iMessage were to blend. Google voice IMO is a great idea and is a cool feature but its lacking in so many ways
SGS III running liquid smooth 4.2.2

You really should have posted to original TC article.
Read the review and then reread it. The reviewer's only argument is the lack of the iApps he is used to + apps that do not exist on the android, but are huge on the ios. Noone is going to switch to a ecosystem that's missing all the apps that are used daily.
Nexus 4 could cure cancer, teleport you to Mars and solve world hunger for all he cares, but until developers start treating ios and android equally, ios wins - its rooted in the US, where the money is.
So to be fair, it's not really a review of the device, it's a review of the ecosystem.

Nexus 4 seems touch notch to me, less LTE. Great phone and design.
I'm in the minority, but I like a really small phone, large tablet. Phone has to be stable and fast, tablet can crash(that's not meant to be taken as IOS vs Android stability comment) . iPhone fits the bill for me.
Honestly the real reason is I feel if I'm not modding, and hacking up every different mobile device out there I'm missing out on the fun. iPhone, Android tablet, Palm tablet. ehhh not so much Blackberry. I like to eat from the technology buffet, one of everything.

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IMO absolutely worthless if it is limited to only iOS users. Would be nice if the openness of Google voice and the Polish and ease of use of iMessage were to blend. Google voice IMO is a great idea and is a cool feature but its lacking in so many ways
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I think apple like most of their products or features they want to keep it within the ecosystem. Just like BlackBerry has BBM. BBM is light years ahead of imessage though.
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And the article completely leaves out the pricing and versatility when it comes to providers, at least for some of us. These are points iphone cannot compete with in regards to new product.

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I just cannot understand these kinds of comments. The iPhone 5 is a great product much like the Nexus 4.
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My point has nothing to do with the iPhone 5. Steve Jobs was a master at manipulating media and the way Apple was perceived. Apple does hundreds of billions of dollars in notional trading to avoid corporate taxes, they've installed suicide nets at Foxconn, and they have had documented incidents of child labor. Yet, America loves Apple. That's the distortion field I'm talking about. MG Siegler is complicit in creating it. He's a hack journalist with a hack's knowledge of Android, which is clear from his Siri/Voice Search point.

Since the launch of the nexus 4 there have been really interesting articles from people who took the step and switched to an android device. As an iPhone user I am really considering. But I am afraid that its gonna be so time consuming to reproduce all my workflow and flashing several roms to try out the best configuraiton

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Since the launch of the nexus 4 there have been really interesting articles from people who took the step and switched to an android device. As an iPhone user I am really considering. But I am afraid that its gonna be so time consuming to reproduce all my workflow and flashing several roms to try out the best configuraiton
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Well, yes and no. I could and probably should of stayed stock. Stock 4.2.2 was mind blowingly smooth and battery friendly. Only reason o flashed a ROM is because I have that bug. Stock android is a joy to use coming from skinned versions such as sense, touchwiz and motoblur. They all get old real fast. The simplicity and fluidity of the stock android experience is unmatched. Yes iOS is simple also. But you have one launcher, one configuration, and limited options. App development is huge among ios, no one can argue that point, but the playstore is leaps and bounds better than it was almost 4 years ago.

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My point has nothing to do with the iPhone 5. Steve Jobs was a master at manipulating media and the way Apple was perceived. Apple does hundreds of billions of dollars in notional trading to avoid corporate taxes, they've installed suicide nets at Foxconn, and they have had documented incidents of child labor. Yet, America loves Apple. That's the distortion field I'm talking about. MG Siegler is complicit in creating it. He's a hack journalist with a hack's knowledge of Android, which is clear from his Siri/Voice Search point.
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And other companies use child labor also, I'm certainly not defending it, or any companies. I'm glad this abuse is being brought to light so all can hopefully be forced to stop...http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162...nd-child-workers-at-samsung-supplier-factory/