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Nexus Regrets?

I just read two similar postings to this, but I felt like I needed to give my opinions anyways. It's not exactly the same anyways.
Nexus One was Google's grand experiment. Some have considered it a failure due to sales numbers, some a success due to lack of marketing, some have lots to say about changing distribution channels, and the plusses and negatives.
But we are the test subjects here. And I'll tell you, coming from WinMo and a TP2, I was at first surprised and happy with my decision to impulse buy an experiment on a new OS. Speed, just-worksness, etc. My only negative was missing Sense. And then Modaco ported the Desire ROM, which I have to say isn't perfect but is 10x more stable than my old TP2 roms. I loved my phone.
However... being a test subject has worn on me. One: the first loved then panned screen, which I've heard everything from inferior coloring to last generation hardware on multitouch, none of which has bothered me, to the infuriating reception, which I have definitely been party to. Worst of all is the world class hardware HTC made to match the Iphone's style... matches it's weakness. I'm on my third N1. One broken digitizer, one broken LCD. Third one no problems so far. The LCD ridiculously while in my pocket.
And finally, the development community. One guy posted about the lack of comparitive stuff he could add from rooting. Any smartphone can add tethering. Porting Sense completed the phone for me, as I missed my smart dialing and weather clock. He got flamed for being demanding of devs, which I can understand on a dev community board... but I agree. The N1 was supposed to be the XDA's dream phone. Fastest updates, superior hardware... you could do anything with this phone. So we have a modified stock rom with additional features and RAM, Apps2SD, and ported Sense. Modaco is off for two weeks, and actually was hammering releases out daily for a while. But on my inferior TP2 they ported HD2 Roms, non HTC Roms, every new feature on any winmo phone... xda did that. They ported Android and convinced me to buy the n1! I am in no way complain about devs. Especially Cyanogen, Modaco, and that guy who has ported both Motoblur and Espresso and is now working on X10 Rom. I patiently await what they do. But all in all, developer response to N1 has been slow coming it would seem.
So to end my giant book post: how do you feel as an n1 user about your experience? The first legit google experience? I am not won over like an iphone fanboy. I am very dissappointed in customer service, and some hardware stuff. But overall I'm happy I made the Android jump. My only conclusion is that my next phone will not be from google dot come slash phone. It will be carrier branded. Rooting means I'll get updates fast anyways, and sales will be so much higher I expect that development will be more active. How do you all feel?

What exactly do you want to be developed? Do you want us Android users to port the lackluster Windows Mobile over to our devices? Is this what you expect?
MOTO Blur can't be correctly ported because of key mapping, and even so the resolution would be off without any current Android devices having MOTO Blur on a big screen, same goes for Espresso. X10 is in the making, as it also has button matching issues. Which are now being figured out.
You seem to be an intelligent person, someone who is smart enough to notice that this phone has been out for less that 4 months - which obviously means there is much to be left discovered. Your post, and this thread, are both pathetic. You act as if developing takes a small flick of the wrist, and as if the developers are not actually "trying" or pushing out more things that tickle your fancy fast enough - exactly what are you expecting? Also, please note that Windows has the ability to boot both Linux and itself, which im sure is a little relevant.
Why don't you wait a little while and see how things play out before making these little rant threads that are not needed..

What else do u want to do that hasn't been done or worked on?
Sent from my Nexus One using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk

I love my Nexus one.
If you buy a phone for what MIGHT come, you've bought the wrong phone.

[QUOTE=trevorwhopkins;6187241 I am very dissappointed in customer service, and some hardware stuffl?[/QUOTE
You had to know you'd be flamed for your thoughts (although all valid opinions), but I can't see how you point out customer service as an issue when you're on your third (I assume free replacement) N1.
Regarding the community and development: I think this time around the community and devs knew what was needed based on prior android custom roms. Things like tethering, multitouch, rotating homescreen, launncher with an extra column, A2SD etc. were all released within a very reasonable timeframe. Then there were things like custom notification colors which didn't take much time to come out, either.
The phone is not perfect, and 99% of my frustrations seem to he simply a design flaw (aka hardware issue) where the normal/comfortable position to hold it creates a false/unintended pressz of the touchscreen resulting in random presses - which many blame software on while never realizing they simply need to adjust how they hold the phone. I learned to adjust, which I think everyone has to do for every phone (learn its quirks and adjust accordingly).
Disappointed? Not at all...overpriced? Maybe...glad I'm still the only one I know who has it? Hell yeah!

Fair post but good luck suggesting to many people at xda that their phone isn't the be-all end-all of mobile device development, its like telling a parent their kid is ugly, there's no reason or objectivity involved so youll be made to look soulless. : )
I personally couldn't care less about xda participation. However I am a little disappointed every time a new bug comes up and it turns out its regarding outdated hardware, in that department I did expect a little more. It's disappointing that we have an old screen and what not, surely Google didn't think users wouldn't discover and discuss the copious problems with the phone...
And I do feel like a beta tester. It does feel like the phone was rushed to the public. But this software is still awesome and ultimately we do have some solid hardware to work with and if Google wants to they can make this phone as stable and pleasurable as they advertised it to be. I am so incredibly curious to know what android has been doing lately, the folks there are historically bad at keeping secrets (thankfully) so they have either tightened security or they have been staring at the wall. I'm guessing the former and I can't wait. For a while after the bugs and shortcomings for this phone began to mount I turned my attention to the iPhone, lucky for android the iPhone OS 4.0 is not impressive. As long as the hardware isn't either, android can string me along for a good while.
I really don't know what to think. Google is making no effort to advertise the phone (for good reason at this point), and they are silent to all of the problems that have come up. I'm starting to think Google wishes the nexus would go away so they could try again...

about nexous one
Let me tell you after owning every phone out there the nexous one is the best and fastest phone i have ever owned period
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storm 1
storm 2 both on tmobile
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mytouch 3g
iphone 3g
iphone 3gs
HD2
after owning all of those phone i will never go back i love my n1
Look at the g1 its the first android phone and there is hella roms for it just wait and there will be more roms and google will give out more updated witch will make the phone better and better
If you like sinse just get the HD2

YAWN...
You didn't add anything new to what was posted before. It's just a bunch of empty thoughts.
What is it that you want????
As I said before, we have the most up-to-date version of Android already, we can't anything new if we don't fully understand the changes.
This is just about as open a platform as we will ever see, learn to fix/add what you want.

Here is what I ask? At the time the Nexus came out, what phone was better? Iphone... uhm no. Touchpro2... not a chance. Moto Droid? Inferior hardware. The bottom line is, even with a few problems the Nexus has, it is still a top 5 phone, if not the best phone there is. I can honestly say, for T-Mobile, there is not a single phone offered that I would rather have. I can think of ONE other phone I'd consider getting outside T-Mobile and thats a phone that isn't out yet (Evo 4g). Come on man, do you want the phone to mow your lawn for you? It's an incredible device.
Oh and judging the quality of a phone based on sales figures is retarded. I don't care if it only sold one phone, if its a great phone its a great phone.

evilkorn said:
What is it that you want????
As I said before, we have the most up-to-date version of Android already, we can't anything new if we don't fully understand the changes.
This is just about as open a platform as we will ever see, learn to fix/add what you want.
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I agree with you. Unlike the G1, we aren't trying to backport 2.1 features or build ROMs with as many things working in 2.1 as we can.
People like Sense, good for them. Personally, I don't care for it in the least. I like a few of the visuals of the status bar from it, which is why I kanged them, but I don't really care at all for the rest of it.

I'm running stock right know.. you know why? Because 2.1 is already the best Android experience! Like Eclair said, I don't get what you want right now.. Yes, the G1 and Magic have alot more ROMS out there but most of them are just 2.1 port attempts! They're trying to get what we already have on our phones. Just to further echo some common sentiments, the phone has only been out for a few months whereas the G1 has been out for a year and a half.. Don't worry, the development will come.. You should feel assured in the fact that many of the top G1/Magic devs switched over to the N1, it was one of the reasons I chose the Nexus over waiting for phones like the Desire.
All that said, I definitely am disappointed with a few things: The various hardware issues that have been popping up amongst different users (I personally have the purple tint issue), and the lagginess of the homescreen swiping. While the 2.1 is very fast in terms of app to app switching or web browsing, it lacks the polish that I hoped 2.1 would have (ie. like the iPhone). Yea, I know things like smooth scrolling on the iPhone are just eye candy, but it matters. It's what appeals to the masses.
An example, I have a non-techie friend who has played around with my Magic before (The Magic was running CursorSense). When he first played around with the N1 his first response was "How come this phone is slower than your Magic, I thought you payed $600 for it?".. He was referring to the scrolling. Of course after I showed him a few neat things (live walls, 3d launcher and gallery etc) he changed his mind but the point remains, the N1 doesn't leave the best first impression.
Overall I am happy with it although I feel it is definitely over priced. But the hardware is built for the future so I'm know that the software updates and future xda development will make it an investment that was worth taking!

Obviously the marketing (lack of) cant have helped sales. Putting it out first on Tmo was a mistake because it severly limited its market even among those who knew about it due to the lack of coverage. I think a traditional carrier launch on either AT&T or Verizon would have moved a lot of handsets. I think Google isnt stupid and they knew these things going in so they had their reasons.
Im not getting the slow development complaints. Its been 4 months. None of the other devices I had saw development that was faster in their intial months of release. At least not as I could notice, I freely admit I wasnt counting roms/apps and logging them in a database.
Personally I dont feel qualified to comment in great detail on a phone I picked up yesterday but I can say I dont regret it at all now that I have hardware in hand. It pretty much rocks as is and I for one am confident that good things are coming and its going to get better.

I will be returning my Nexus One to HTC for repair/replacement due to a faulty power button.
My only real gripe with the phone itself is that the power button is used to sleep & wake the device by default. There is no single button more important than the power button, imho, and it was a poor choice for HTC to design it so.
I take that back, the other huge gripe I have about the phone is HTC's decision to embed the radio antenna at the base of the phone where it is covered by the meaty part of the hand while holding the phone to your ear. Maybe they just assumed everyone would use the headset or bluetooth, but I don't. It is annoying to see it drop a bar of signal because I'm holding the phone naturally in the palm of my hand.
Once I get my replacement phone, I will not be unlocking or rooting it. I will be keeping it intact (and possibly sealed) until this summer, when I can see the next gen iPhone in action, and possibly as late as November, as Windows Phone 7 is already shaping up to be pretty slick.
Here are the things I want in my phone:
1. Just works. Most important thing. Dialer, Contacts, Bluetooth, etc. These things should just be a flick of the finger away.
2. Feature-rich. Integrated search, multi-touch browsing and maps, GPS nav, Native Internet Tethering (bugs the **** out of me that Android doesn't offer this OOB still).
3. Business AND pleasure - don't make me choose between personal email and contacts and enterprise features. HTC has saved Google's ass on this one with their amazing Sense framework from the Desire ROM. Exchange with ActiveSync is a MUST. Also where's the love for Blackberry mail server?? I guess Android is not for law firms? /shrug
4. When something says "Full web browsing", if it doesn't include Flash, HTML5, or Silverlight support, that's false advertising.
Other stuff:
I'm starting to write my apps for Windows Phone 7 SDK, I have been writing apps for the iPhone OS (now looking at iPhone OS 4 beta SDK), and I have written a few for Android.
The Windows Phone 7 SDK using Visual Studio 2010 is bread and butter for me -- its perfect. Working with Xcode on the iPhone SDK always felt clunky, and inefficient. Working with Eclipse on the Android SDK has come a *long* way since I started two years ago, and is much easier now than then.
But VS 2010 makes writing apps for WinPhone7 dead simple. I've already ported across my apps from the iPhone and Android platforms without any 3rd party cross-compilers, and it took a very short period of time.
These days it is the ecosystem that drives the market for handheld devices. iTunes made iPod what it is. The iPhone App store with 180,000+ apps made the iPhone platform what it is (we all know it certainly was nice hardware when it was released, but is definitely dated now). The Android Market has been a blessing and a curse for Android. Many solid apps, but no unified Android platform to develop for (to be addressed in Froyo -- or so they say). No single set of hardware to develop for. It's literally like shooting at a moving target. And developing with open source tools is fun for a while, but gets tiresome when there is so much more effort involved in some of the simplest things.
So that's basically where I am personally at. I love my N1. I will be getting it replaced due to hardware failure. I may not use the replacement, and may sell it instead to finance a Windows Phone 7, or possibly (but not likely) an iPhone over the course of the summer.
And before anyone calls me a hater on any grounds: I have used WinMo in the past, I am using Android now, I have good friends who use iPhones and I hold nothing against them for that. I develop my code on a Windows 7 machine, and I am typing this message on my Mac, which boots Win7, OSX, and Ubuntu.
Lastly, I will say this. There is a sad saying in business that "good enough beats best." This means that despite the technology or ability out there to produce unquestionably excellent goods and services, those which are "good enough" and produce a higher profit margin will win. We will likely always feel like we are being forced to accept mediocrity, but fortunately, the devices we have today will still be outshined, outclassed, and outdone by nearly everything to come in the future.

I would say the negative responses I got here are unappreciated and pointless, but then again they were expected and matter as much as my opinion does.
As for customer service... no. I didn't get anything free. My first n1's lcd broke inside my pocket in a restauraunt. The glass and case was perfect. There were tiny cracks in the lcd. I didn't drop it or anything. I really liked the phone, so I bought another. Google and HTC both gave me a runaround about covering it. Twenty minutes into a conversation, 3 steps up the corporate ladder, and and they finally said send it in, charge 500 dollars, and if your lucky we will give it back. The second time, my wife dropped it, which was her fault. As opposed to my TP2, Palm Pre, my sister's G1, which carriers were glad to replace free immediately if they even looked funny.
My point wasnt to repeat the other guys, only to explain my point about us being beta testers and ask how others felt. I expected some of you to defend it all, and some to complain. I was only explaining the things that made me think about it. And I feel that it is pointless for people to jump all over any person that posts a opinionated comment. If your not trolling or begging or complaining to devs, there's nothing wrong with having an opinion.
I didn't want to end up defending WM at all, only pointing out that their community is insanely creative. I have plenty of respect for how hard devs work. It's not the devs work I questioned, but the amount and interest of the dev community in this phone. If I wanted a WM phone I'ld have gotten the HD2. I like Android just fine, although I'ld be happy to jump on a GSM Droid with 1ghz, as I like my keyboards and hate the glare under the sun of OLED.

Also, all I meant to say about the sales numbers was that is just statistics. Chances are the phone with the most users has the most development, as theaudience is the biggest.
I see all of your points, and didnt mean to complain. The point of my post was this:
How do YOU ALL feel about your experience so far?
Thats why I explained overall how I felt with all the stuff we all have seen positive and negative.

love the phone.. but the touchscreen issues are really pissing me off. and the power button is starting to ***** out on me.

I don't regret at all the $$ I paid for Nexus One. It's an amazing phone with a great OS, it has some negatives like any other phone in the universe (battery,ringtones volume and sunlight visibility) but it has so many positives
My ex-SE phones (that I totally loved) look like an old nintendo NES compared to an XboX360

Other than the **** battery, I'm perfectly happy with my N1.

plain and simple... give me a multi-touch screen that actually works the way it should and I would be 100% satisfied with my phone...
I was hoping that the gaming experience on the phone would be much more pleasurable but with how quirky the touch screen is its nearly impossible to have a great experience...
I would say I am about 80% pleased with the experience so far and I came from a t-mobile dash so the tech on the N1 was leaps and bounds ahead of my old phone but given that I had to shell out all that money for the phone means I should have a 100% sexy piece of hardware instead of 80% of one... with a phone that has no physical keyboard, the touch screen should be much higher quality than it is....
my 2 cents...

Trevor, I agree with you.
Face it people, the phone is a disappointment.
Battery= sucks
touchscreen= sucks
can't save apps to sd= sucks
sloppy slow interface = sucks
3g = sucks
2g = sucks
trackball = sucks
hotmail = sucks
still no flash/html5 = sucks
pink blob im my photos = sucks
no gdocs app = sucks
force closing = sucks
no native profile choice = sucks
silent mode still allows sounds = sucks
slow googles response to the above issues = sucks
bunch of N1 fanboys who can't admit that thier N1 sucks = sucks

[Q] Android phone or iPhone with Nook Color

I am new to android and the NC is my first device with the OS. I currently have a Storm 1 on Verizon and I hate it. I love Verizon's network but hate hate hate my phone. I'm out of contract and ready for a new phone.
With all the Verizon iPhone rumors, I'm conflicted. Do I get an iPhone when it most likely arrives on Verizon or an android phone that is already there to go along with the NC?
I'm asking this here as you all seem to know so much about android and the NC. I want to tether whatever phone I get to the NC. I'm a mac user solely and like the compatibility there and would have gotten an iPhone immediately a year ago. Now, after experiencing android, I'm not so sure anymore that I even need or want the iPhone.
What are your thoughts on the two paths in regards to phone/NC compatibility and also to a Mac/phone/NC relationship? I really want to sync data between all three fairly seamlessly. Would having devices running different OS's make things too tough or are there enough cross platform apps and functionality to make it not matter?
I fully understand that the NC's capabilities are a long ways from being fully tapped. This might also be moot as both probably can serve my purposes. Figured I would pick your brains and experiences.
Sent from my Nook Color

I have a Mac, iPhone 4 and NC right now and love all three. Apple's stuff are sexy and reliable but closed off. Android is less mature and lacks polish but has so much more potential. When I'm ready for my next phone, I'll look long and hard at an Android. If you like to.customize, I'd say go android. But I love my iPhone. You'll need to jailbreak it to unleash its potential.
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This is exactly my setup, Mac, iPhone, NC. Syncing, one word - Dropbox. There is entire cottage industry around Dropbox, your Mac, and iOS devices. I don't think you'll be hard pressed to find exactly what you need right there.
But out of curiosity what are you going to be using the NC for, light word, excel type documents, pdf's? I use mine mostly to read ebooks/pdf's, 90%. There are a lot of things in the cloud that are fairly platform agnostic, Evernote comes to mind and different calendar sync apps. Just iTunes search for various one's to sync with google if want it to go with your NC.
As far as Verizon and iPhone, we'll just have to wait. In the US we have it bad, as iPhone (limited by att) does not tether. It's shocking, because in the rest of the world people tehter their iPhones.
I'd say go with iPhone, best of all worlds here, Mac, iOS with iPhone, and Android with the NC. What's not to love, you have it all. That's speaking as a Mac user of course.

newton1666 said:
I'd say go with iPhone, best of all worlds here, Mac, iOS with iPhone, and Android with the NC. What's not to love, you have it all. That's speaking as a Mac user of course.
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Same. I love my i4 and I also love playing around with my rooted NC, I wish the phone could just dual boot both OS and I could be content with that magic phone for the rest of my life.

Each has his/her own preferences, it's really what you're looking for . . . I'd recommend spending time with a rooted android phone--not just the NookColor--before making a decision.
We're doing some amazing stuff here with the NookColor--considering what we started with--but this is barely scratching the surface of development on a device that's still running an eReader's stock ROM for crying out loud. That's not even to mention that it's based on (in tech years) an ancient version of android.
If you spend some time with a rooted Evo, Nexus S, or Droid X running a cyanogen ROM, I wouldn't even remotely say android is immature or lacks polish compared to iOS. If anything, I'd say it's the other way around.
I'm a former iPhone 4 and iPad owner, and I much prefer both my HTC Evo and the NookColor (even in its relatively primitive stage of development) over both of them (Plants vs Zombies is the only thing I miss, and it'll be on Android soon).
They say opinions are like a-holes: everybody has one . . . If that's the case, people having a-holes makes the world go 'round, because android would be much less interesting without iOS, and vice versa. I'd say go to stores where you can play with each OS' flagship devices for a while, check out the best each has to offer, and find what works for you.

I would actually say that stock android is better than stock iOS. But until android can support encryption out of box, I can't make the full switch because I can't sync with work.
Sent from my XDA app on my Nook Color

As usual, ask a question like this and you will end up getting every response possible if you wait long enough.
I know folks who love their Iphones and tether with them here in the US. Jailbroken, or whatever its called and some custom stuff, of course. So I don't think that needs to be an issue in the choice.
Android phones have excellent qualities out of the box though, and once they start being rooted and rom'd- fantastic, as far as I am concerned. The ability to customize and make them YOURS instead of the CARRIERS (at least in function and appearance) is far and beyond anything I have seen on an Apple phone.
There are some advantages to either, as always- if you are on the fence then I too would suggest trying to "spend some time" with both and see if that helps make the decision.

I appreciate all the responses. I know that everybody is different, but it's still nice to hear others experiences regarding their setup.
I an an architect by trade and my mac is my lifeline to do all my drawings and graphics, etc. I'd be lost without it. I won't be a hardcore user with all three phone/mac/NC in regards to work. I mainly want email, music, movies, contacts, calander, etc. to be able to be sync'ed between all devices. I make a change in one and I can update in all three.
I've been playing with both iPhones and rooted Android phones and it really is a tossup. I do like the idea of having the iPhone so if there are special iOS apps, I can get it and have the NC for any special Android apps. Best of both worlds. I also really have to wait and see how the Verizon iPhone will be. I'll play with it in store for awhile before I make a choice.
Then the next question is do I wait for the 4G Android phones to come out on Verizon? I'm content to wait until late 1st quarter 2011 until the dust settles on some of this. I just wanted to get some feedback from people on how their NC's are working with their phones, iPhone and Android.

Why WP7 when we have Android?

Now don't get me wrong here I'm not trying to start any flame wars in any way. I would just like to gather thoughts on why would someone go with WP7 when Android seems to be kicking so much ass?
Yes, I'm an Android fan, and have been from the start.
I'm a photographer, and I've had my eye on the Galaxy Tab for some time now in order to show off some of my work (mini portfolio) with clients when I'm out shooting.
Yesterday I walked into my local TMO store knowing that I was going to buy the Galaxy Tab, but I was not aware that they had a promotion going on with the Tab. Pretty much the deal was... buy a Galaxy Tab, and get a free Smart phone. I'm thinking that's cool! Turns out that the phones (Android) that were free were phones I've already owned, or pretty much didn't care for. So, the only phone left sticking out like a sore thumb was the HTC HD7.
Yeah, the phone is sexy, but it's a Windows phone, and why the hell would I want that, right? I mean, I owned the HD2, but it left me with such a bad taste in my mouth, and led me to sell it after 3 weeks. I just found it to be such a sluggish phone, Windows 6.5 was not doing it for me. Shame because it was a sexy phone as well.
Anyway, I took a chance with the HD7. I thought I'd play with it for a bit just to check out Windows new UI. I knew when picking the phone I'd sell it because I didn't want a Windows phone. I'm an ANDROID FANBOY! The money made from it would break me even for my Tab purchase. Sweet!
Guess what...? The phone is not going to sold, because I think I'm in love? I also feel like I'm cheating on my wife, or something. This phone ROCKS! Still not sure why I feel this way, but I do.
1. Phone is SEXY!
2. Love the layout of the UI.
3. It's just so damn smooth!
Yeah, it has a few I dislike...
1. Very weak Market, and what's up with the high prices?
2. Pink tint in the center of my photos when using the camera.
3. Facebook, Twitter, and browser all seem to run a bit sluggish.
I'm sure the above 2, and 3 can be fixed with an update, and 1 will grow with in time.
My only questions are...
What do I have to look forward to in the future with this phone/UI?
What can I do now?
Will WP7 have great support by Devs?
Should I say goodbye to Android?
Thoughts?
Thanks!
WS.

i will say welcome to the club my friend... and now just imagine how it will be like when WP7 will tablet PC...

Have to say I have the HD2 and HD7 and love them both in their own ways. I agree the HD2 was a pile of poo with stock rom.. so much bloatware I'm surprised it even booted up! But with an NRG rom on it just rocked! Plus it ran Android really well from SD...
My new HD7 rocks in a different way. Yes the market is a little small and pricey right now - but so was the iPhone one at the beginning....
My only gripes are not being able to LOCALLY sync with my calendar on my PCand not being able to tether it to my netbook for internet access... give me those and I would be in heaven!!
Welcome to the club!

truffle1234 said:
i will say welcome to the club my friend... and now just imagine how it will be like when WP7 will tablet PC...
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I was Android fan too, until I saw WP7 phones. Yesterday I checked them in shop (I was reading and watching many videos), but Trophy blew my mind off!!! It's awesome!!! Android really sucks, compared to WP7

Honestly, I have tried to go back to android just b.c i do like the mytouch 4g(webcam, app quality/quanity, and wi-fi calling)
But i love my hd7
the mysense and android experience seems...so boring...no matter how much you replace launchers, root it or whatever
I LOVE WP7
i just really want them to get ringtones 2011 and better applications

I also tried going back to my Android before my 30-day return window was up for my HD7, but within an hour I couldn't even stand how sluggish it was compared to my HD7.
There is no question, I am sticking with my HD7 and will probably continue with some sort of WP7 device until they come out with something better.
HD7 (WP7) works smoother than any other phone out there including iPhone and is so much sleeker than every other OS. I absolutely love it.

netflix netflix and netflix

^^^among the smoothness, plus 1000!

I still can't figure out why a 2nd gen snapdragon on the mytouch is slower than a 1st gen on HD7
GIVE ME WIFI CALLING AND BETTER CAMERA, and it will be perfect

carmeng4evr said:
I still can't figure out why a 2nd gen snapdragon on the mytouch is slower than a 1st gen on HD7
GIVE ME WIFI CALLING AND BETTER CAMERA, and it will be perfect
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How do you measure CPU performance on two different platforms? It's not like Linpack is available for WP7, is it?

Ya the experience is VERY good on the HD7! I'm an Android fan as well but REALLY am liking my WP7!

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How do you measure CPU performance on two different platforms? It's not like Linpack is available for WP7, is it?
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I have no idea what linpack is
Im just saying in day 2 day experience
the overall experience with mytouch is sluggish vs hd7 smooth(only lags with games)

carmeng4evr said:
I have no idea what linpack is
Im just saying in day 2 day experience
the overall experience with mytouch is sluggish vs hd7 smooth(only lags with games)
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It has nothing to do with the CPU differences.
It is OS difference.

I'm an android fan got Desire HD, Tab and HD7, HD7 UI is fantastic very smooth. Screen animations brilliant but I'm afraid that's about it.
The browsing experience on HD7 is very poor a complete let down, pants. Picture quality not good. Battery life poor. Market phew complete rubbish compared to Android and that's being very kind.
If wp wants to catch up to Android it has to improve it's market and browsing experience otherwise it will never be popular as android.
Personally I would go with WP if the browser and apps can be fixed the other things can be tolerated as the ui and animation smoothness makes up for that.

i was a great android fan starting from(G1,MYTOUCH3G,....) to(GALAXY S DEVICES) but once i bought the HD7 i was in love with it.
Just cant wait for the update (NODO) next week and the other update (MANGO) in a month or 2.
I'm never going back to ANDROID.

WilliamStern said:
Now don't get me wrong here I'm not trying to start any flame wars in any way. I would just like to gather thoughts on why would someone go with WP7 when Android seems to be kicking so much ass?
Yes, I'm an Android fan, and have been from the start.
I'm a photographer, and I've had my eye on the Galaxy Tab for some time now in order to show off some of my work (mini portfolio) with clients when I'm out shooting.
Yesterday I walked into my local TMO store knowing that I was going to buy the Galaxy Tab, but I was not aware that they had a promotion going on with the Tab. Pretty much the deal was... buy a Galaxy Tab, and get a free Smart phone. I'm thinking that's cool! Turns out that the phones (Android) that were free were phones I've already owned, or pretty much didn't care for. So, the only phone left sticking out like a sore thumb was the HTC HD7.
Yeah, the phone is sexy, but it's a Windows phone, and why the hell would I want that, right? I mean, I owned the HD2, but it left me with such a bad taste in my mouth, and led me to sell it after 3 weeks. I just found it to be such a sluggish phone, Windows 6.5 was not doing it for me. Shame because it was a sexy phone as well.
Anyway, I took a chance with the HD7. I thought I'd play with it for a bit just to check out Windows new UI. I knew when picking the phone I'd sell it because I didn't want a Windows phone. I'm an ANDROID FANBOY! The money made from it would break me even for my Tab purchase. Sweet!
Guess what...? The phone is not going to sold, because I think I'm in love? I also feel like I'm cheating on my wife, or something. This phone ROCKS! Still not sure why I feel this way, but I do.
1. Phone is SEXY!
2. Love the layout of the UI.
3. It's just so damn smooth!
Yeah, it has a few I dislike...
1. Very weak Market, and what's up with the high prices?
2. Pink tint in the center of my photos when using the camera.
3. Facebook, Twitter, and browser all seem to run a bit sluggish.
I'm sure the above 2, and 3 can be fixed with an update, and 1 will grow with in time.
My only questions are...
What do I have to look forward to in the future with this phone/UI?
What can I do now?
Will WP7 have great support by Devs?
Should I say goodbye to Android?
Thoughts?
Thanks!
WS.
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Don't expect too much goodness with WP7. The updates will be meager at best. WP7 doesn't even have voice nav like WinMo did or any Android phone does. There's a lot missing in the way of features other than voice nav too. You can't use your own ringtones or any other ringtones. You can't do multi-tasking. You can't customize the UI like in Android. Most of the lauded features don't work. Like the live tiles, mine has never seen a live tile....other than letting me know I have a certain number of emails and such. The widgets in Android do a heck of a lot better at quickly displaying events than live tiles do.
I started out liking WP7 because of the quality of the UI (smoothness and cleanness). But I lost interest in it when it was announced that common features would be almost a year away. I'm currently not using my HD7 and it's sitting waiting for an Android ROM to be developed for it. As for the HD2 you had, it makes a superb Android phone. And with the HD2, you could have a different phone as often as you like. Currently my HD2 is an HTC DesireHD, which is a purely superb Android version.
When Android is available for the HD7, it will make an outstanding upgrade from the HD2 because of the software buttons. As for WP7, it's going in the trash. I loved WinMo 6.5 Pro, but WP7 has me buggered. Don't get me wrong, I love a closed system phone like the iPhone and like MS is doing with WP7. But I need at a minimum the common features available on smartphones today.

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Don't expect too much goodness with WP7. The updates will be meager at best. WP7 doesn't even have voice nav like WinMo did or any Android phone does. There's a lot missing in the way of features other than voice nav too. You can't use your own ringtones or any other ringtones. You can't do multi-tasking. You can't customize the UI like in Android. Most of the lauded features don't work. Like the live tiles, mine has never seen a live tile....other than letting me know I have a certain number of emails and such. The widgets in Android do a heck of a lot better at quickly displaying events than live tiles do.
I started out liking WP7 because of the quality of the UI (smoothness and cleanness). But I lost interest in it when it was announced that common features would be almost a year away. I'm currently not using my HD7 and it's sitting waiting for an Android ROM to be developed for it. As for the HD2 you had, it makes a superb Android phone. And with the HD2, you could have a different phone as often as you like. Currently my HD2 is an HTC DesireHD, which is a purely superb Android version.
When Android is available for the HD7, it will make an outstanding upgrade from the HD2 because of the software buttons. As for WP7, it's going in the trash. I loved WinMo 6.5 Pro, but WP7 has me buggered. Don't get me wrong, I love a closed system phone like the iPhone and like MS is doing with WP7. But I need at a minimum the common features available on smartphones today.
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your bias is so obvious. Widgets doing a better job is your opinion. I have 4 live tiles just in my main screen, without scrolling down.
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carmeng4evr said:
I have no idea what linpack is
Im just saying in day 2 day experience
the overall experience with mytouch is sluggish vs hd7 smooth(only lags with games)
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It's because the HTC Sense UI and other bloatware cause it to be sluggish that way. If it ran vanilla 2.2 it would be way faster. 2.2 on the G2 is much smoother and less laggy than the MyTouch 4G. I like HTC but I was disappointed with the compatibility with Sense UI and Android (although I think it was a great idea. It was poorly realized). But even if it ran faster it would still be plain... Vanilla. For now I'm happy with the HD7 and am looking forward to the bright future for WP7 :]. I mean if you think about it... this is 1.0 and compared to Android 1.0? phew!
2.3 Vanilla was pretty damn sexy though... but only because of the features. the UI for WP7 is my favorite from the rest.

The Fandroid comments make me laugh. I was one of the G1 day one users and there was SOO much crap said for Android. Oh it's going to fail, it's crap. Yadda Yadda. Some time later, Android became the power house that it is now. I've seen the progression of how Android grew. While it advanced to where it is now...It grew more and more boring for me. For people now jumping into the Android pool, it's amazing. But for day 1 adapters, it didn't have anything new/exciting to keep me around.
WP7 launches and of course everyone bashes, it doesn't have this, it doesn't have that. Does anyone remember Apples first iPhone launch? It wasn't amazing either, but look at it now. Yes the Kin was garbage. No one can arguee with that. Windows 6.5 may left a bad taste in people mouth with Windows Mobile OSs. But to some 6.5 was the powerhouse that they wanted and now love. People need to understand that this is Windows Phone 7 not Windows Mobile 7. New OS from the ground up.
Yes, it's lacking features, yes the market isn't strong compared to other. But people it's been out for 2 months. With the growth in developer support, devices, or support for updates, it has a chance to be a strong OS. The Xbox Live support alone makes it a big contender for games with the link to 360 users gamertags.
It comes down to time and growth. Give it till after the set of updates to then bash it. For me, Android didn't have anything to really offer me other then new handsets. Not a Blackberry fan and didn't really care for the iPhone. Never played with a Palm Pre so can't really say anything about it. I wanted something fresh and new. For me the Xbox 360 integration played a huge part in my decision, but the idea behind WP7 had me interested. So I followed it since the initial announcement to launch date in the UK to me actually playing with one in person. I'm happy with my purchase and am not looking back. Looking forward to the updates, growth, and future for WP7.

guy, i understand ppl like Android, WP7 or iOS... but i dont get those ppl who will buy a HD7 and *****ing about why it cant run android because of few missing features which we all knew will not be in till 2011....
i really feel sorry for you guys... get a life...

Nokia to beat Android?

Here's the article: http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/nokia-our-first-priority-is-beating-android/
My first thoughts were....hahahaha! In their dreams.
Open source can't be beat, simple as that. But Google do need to come up with a better strategy for implementing their OS on the devices otherwise fragmentation will drive potential customers away.
In my view WP7 is a step backwards, the UI is horrible with home being filed with tons of tiles that you have to scroll through, no real multitasking, locked down like iOS etc, and now Nokia thinks that this move will beat Android. Are they that arrogant?
I did a speed test comparison between DHD and HD7 and WP7 got its ass smacked, it loaded apps/games much slower.
They should of made a better version of N900, that was not a bad phone but could of been a monster.
Your thoughts?

The day that Nokia has dominance over Android, I will get an iphone. I currently own the 1 and only Evo 4g, rooted, stock. (wireless tether of course).

yeah i think nokia is making a bad move

lol good old nokia trying to make a comeback...

I honestly don't know who even carries Nokia phones anymore They once made really nice phones. Windows mobile or phone 7 or what ever they are calling it this year is in the same boat imo. I carried wm since the HTC 8125. And year after year I pationatly waited for ms to get it right, and they never did. It did get better in terms of reliability but I still had to reset my tilt 2 a few times a week.
I think the team up could be good for them but I could care less.
To me, It's like 2 old men in your neighborhood teaming up and thinking they are gonna take back that snow shoveling biz that they had when they were kids all the while everyone already has the youngsters down the street with their self propelled snow blowers that knock out the jobs in no time.
They pissed off most of us loyal wm folks along time ago and you know how that saying about screw me once, screw me twice goes....not gonna happen to me.
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Hmmnn, noki is not going anywhere except in your dreams

Speaking of steps backwards hows the whole no GPU accelerated UI treating you guys? I'm loving having a homescreen that doesnt look like an iphone ripoff. Nokia has an astounding market share in the European market, they have the power to help drive WP7 much higher. Call it a step backwards if you'd like. It's nice to not have to flash a new rom at least once a week to have a functional phone.

I like Nokias phones. My brother has the n8 and the camera is amazing! hopefully this works out and I'll get a nokia with a xenon flash

z33dev33l said:
Speaking of steps backwards hows the whole no GPU accelerated UI treating you guys? I'm loving having a homescreen that doesnt look like an iphone ripoff. Nokia has an astounding market share in the European market, they have the power to help drive WP7 much higher. Call it a step backwards if you'd like. It's nice to not have to flash a new rom at least once a week to have a functional phone.
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There it is, that's what I was waiting for.
UI is hardware accelerated on 2.3 and up, even 2.2 can have it with a minor file modification. How the no copy/paste going? Or hows the whole can't edit a email when forwarding going? When M$ bring out an update will you jump around like a little schoolgirl and call it innovation? C'mon man, the OS is seriously lacking the most important features, it's shameful.
Sure stock UIs layout is slightly like iPhones but looks nothing like it though. You see, I can make the UI looks how I want which fits my needs, not what a few guys think it should be.
Flashing ROMs has nothing to do with having a functional phone, it's only to improve it further and bring out the potential.
Nokia may help with a few sales but many longtime fans will turn around and look elsewhere for a phone to fulfill their needs.

Nokia wont ever beat android
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Why not??? Nokia will beat Android... Didnt u read the article?

ErOR22 said:
There it is, that's what I was waiting for.
UI is hardware accelerated on 2.3 and up, even 2.2 can have it with a minor file modification. How the no copy/paste going? Or hows the whole can't edit a email when forwarding going? When M$ bring out an update will you jump around like a little schoolgirl and call it innovation? C'mon man, the OS is seriously lacking the most important features, it's shameful.
Sure stock UIs layout is slightly like iPhones but looks nothing like it though. You see, I can make the UI looks how I want which fits my needs, not what a few guys think it should be.
Flashing ROMs has nothing to do with having a functional phone, it's only to improve it further and bring out the potential.
Nokia may help with a few sales but many longtime fans will turn around and look elsewhere for a phone to fulfill their needs.
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Important features? in the 2 years I had android I can not remember a single occurrence in which I used C&P or needed to edit a forwarded email. Would it be nice? Sure. Is it necessary? Not at all. The point is while android has these features most of them are haphazardly thrown together and hardly functional where what WP7 has (even though it is lacking some features) truly works without having to jump through hoops. GPU acceleration is possible apparently on 2.3 plus but due to fragmentation and other issues it isn't implemented. If you can truly say the vibrant with its impossible lag or the dodgy touchscreen on the cliq or any of the other ill built phones were functional before custom roms your much more prone to fanboyism than I. It's nice to have a phone that really works, android was a low-end alternative to the iphone, putting it on high end devices is like throwing a Chevy cavalier engine in a lambo, it just makes them look bad except to the community thats always flashing roms which frankl, I dont have the time for any more.

I think Nokia partnering with Microsoft to make WP7 phones is a dumb move. Elop was quoted as saying Nokia is like being on a burning oil platform in the North Sea. So what he wants to do, is to jump onto another burning oil platform called WP7? I think it's entirely due to the fact that Elop is a former Microsoft exec!
I wasn't at all surprised, when I read an article yesterday that said investors were so upset with the news that Nokia stock price fell 14% and many Nokia employees were so upset, they used flex time and left work early.
What I think Nokia should have done, is partnered with Google and used Android. These new phones should be supplied with some kind of proprietary libraries or emulation that only works in Nokia phones to allow existing Symbian apps to run seamlessly. That way, it would provide a practical upgrade path for existing Nokia phone owners. This worked great for Apple when they went to OS X which was a completely different UNIX-based architecture, but used Rosetta to allow old PPC Mac OS apps to run. They could even market a play on words with Symbian related to symbiosis.
I just don't see how going to the smartphone platform with the least market share will help matters. WP7 has less market share than even old WinMo 6.x according to current stats.

GnatGoSplat said:
I think Nokia partnering with Microsoft to make WP7 phones is a dumb move. Elop was quoted as saying Nokia is like being on a burning oil platform in the North Sea. So what he wants to do, is to jump onto another burning oil platform called WP7? I think it's entirely due to the fact that Elop is a former Microsoft exec!
I wasn't at all surprised, when I read an article yesterday that said investors were so upset with the news that Nokia stock price fell 14% and many Nokia employees were so upset, they used flex time and left work early.
What I think Nokia should have done, is partnered with Google and used Android. These new phones should be supplied with some kind of proprietary libraries or emulation that only works in Nokia phones to allow existing Symbian apps to run seamlessly. That way, it would provide a practical upgrade path for existing Nokia phone owners. This worked great for Apple when they went to OS X which was a completely different UNIX-based architecture, but used Rosetta to allow old PPC Mac OS apps to run. They could even market a play on words with Symbian related to symbiosis.
I just don't see how going to the smartphone platform with the least market share will help matters. WP7 has less market share than even old WinMo 6.x according to current stats.
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Your whole argument is based on the foundation that WP7 in 4 months didn't sell as much as WM did since 03? Really? Ya don't say? Their choices were either be just another fish in the android OEM pool that would have received no more attention and no more rights than any other or be THE manufacturer of WP7. Really though, why would you jump from marketing symbian to marketing some re-skinned version of android... that's like jumping from Windows ME to windows Vista. They're both buggy and both require tons of modification before they're usable. Android only sold because it was marketed by google and essentially looked like a low-end iphone for every carrier. WP7 is innovation, it currently lacks a few basic features but what it does have works and thats more than any other OS except iOS can say and honestly, who wants those hardware limitations and ugly UI?

Well, we all know what Vic Gundotra thinks about this...

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Your whole argument is based on the foundation that WP7 in 4 months didn't sell as much as WM did since 03? Really? Ya don't say? Their choices were either be just another fish in the android OEM pool that would have received no more attention and no more rights than any other or be THE manufacturer of WP7. Really though, why would you jump from marketing symbian to marketing some re-skinned version of android... that's like jumping from Windows ME to windows Vista. They're both buggy and both require tons of modification before they're usable. Android only sold because it was marketed by google and essentially looked like a low-end iphone for every carrier. WP7 is innovation, it currently lacks a few basic features but what it does have works and thats more than any other OS except iOS can say and honestly, who wants those hardware limitations and ugly UI?
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No, my whole argument is based on WP7 being a sales FAIL. The comparison to WM is only a point of reference, because it's generally well accepted that except for a few fanboys, nobody likes WM.
No, their choices were to use Android, a product that people actually WANT, vs WP7, a product that nobody wants. It doesn't matter how awesome or innovative you may think WP7 is, if nobody wants it, nobody's going to buy it. So if Nokia wants to make money, and unless I'm mistaken, but all companies exist to do one thing and that is make money, they should choose the platform that makes money rather than one nobody wants.
You're saying iOS has an ugly UI? Compared to WP7? Seriously? For most people I know (and according to sales figures, most people worldwide), the UI is what turned them off to WP7 and drove them to Android or iOS.

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Important features? in the 2 years I had android I can not remember a single occurrence in which I used C&P or needed to edit a forwarded email. Would it be nice? Sure. Is it necessary? Not at all. The point is while android has these features most of them are haphazardly thrown together and hardly functional where what WP7 has (even though it is lacking some features) truly works without having to jump through hoops. GPU acceleration is possible apparently on 2.3 plus but due to fragmentation and other issues it isn't implemented. If you can truly say the vibrant with its impossible lag or the dodgy touchscreen on the cliq or any of the other ill built phones were functional before custom roms your much more prone to fanboyism than I. It's nice to have a phone that really works, android was a low-end alternative to the iphone, putting it on high end devices is like throwing a Chevy cavalier engine in a lambo, it just makes them look bad except to the community thats always flashing roms which frankl, I dont have the time for any more.
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lol wut?
This is basic functionality I use most days. Even if I used it monthly the whole point is that when I need it it's there, thats the power of android. You don't need all the features every day, but when you do need it its all there ready.

I will take a speedy UI and no c&p over the opposite any day. No one dropped wp7 and turned to Android or IOS because of the UI. No one has used wp7 because they're a fanboy of either of the other oses and think anything else is wrong. Wp7 in its first poor iteration has a more complete feeling than any of the 30ish Android devices I've owned and that's just sad. Wp7 is small now because people fear change regardless of how much smoother the user experience is.

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I will take a speedy UI and no c&p over the opposite any day. No one dropped wp7 and turned to Android or IOS because of the UI. No one has used wp7 because they're a fanboy of either of the other oses and think anything else is wrong. Wp7 in its first poor iteration has a more complete feeling than any of the 30ish Android devices I've owned and that's just sad. Wp7 is small now because people fear change regardless of how much smoother the user experience is.
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Not true. The only fanboys I know are on this site. I've recently talked to many smartphone n00bs who are getting a smartphone for the first time. Just from playing with the phone in the showroom, they narrow it down to Android or iPhone. WP7 is never even considered. Some people will switch from Android to iPhone and vice versa. People on this forum excluded, I don't know anyone who has even considered going from iPhone to WP7 or Android to WP7. Even my wife, who isn't even remotely a fanboy, has no interest in WP7 simply because she doesn't like how, "it looks so plain and boring". Maybe people would love WP7 if they actually used it for awhile, but Microsoft can't even get them through the door, much less reel them in.

Wp7 needs a mascot like a bald guy in a turtleneck or a little green robot. Then it would be srsbiz.

When will marketplace be as good as the AppStore? :(

I have recently moved from the i4 and the only thing I miss apart from retina is the AppStore
Android apps just aren't as polished :/
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jameslfc5 said:
I have recently moved from the i4 and the only thing I miss apart from retina is the AppStore
Android apps just aren't as polished :/
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Try developing an application that should be compatible with hundreds of devices, from crappy ones to the high end ones, with different screen sizes and resolutions, processors, gpus.

I don't think we should try and search for excuses, cause he's actually right.
Most of the Market apps simply look like crap. Most of the iOS apps simply have an advanced design, if you look at power apps like Titanium Backup: It's one of the feature-richest apps out there and really good. But it looks like a DOS program that was designed in 1986 like Norton Commander or, to summarize it, like crap.

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I don't think we should try and search for excuses, cause he's actually right.
Most of the Market apps simply look like crap. Most of the iOS apps simply have an advanced design, if you look at power apps like Titanium Backup: It's one of the feature-richest apps out there and really good. But it looks like a DOS program that was designed in 1986 like Norton Commander or, to summarize it, like crap.
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You're absolutely right mate, android users just stand for it tho :/ they don't seem to care
As long as the marketplace stays crap, iOS with dominate
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You're absolutely right mate, android users just stand for it tho :/ they don't seem to care
As long as the marketplace stays crap, iOS with dominate
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ios doesnt dominate though.
Worlds most popular smartphone is Android.
Worlds most popular mobile os is Android.
Apple does dominate on the Apps though and i do agree with the OP. Android market place needs to shape up.

it's easier to make apps for iOS because each device has pretty much the same codingm just different sizes, you got two iOS devices on the market in a pocket size (the iTouch and the iPhone, the iTouch being pretty much an iPhone without the phone app and the GSM/CDMA workings) and you got two tablet's the iPad 1 and 2 (which isn't that different, the only thing about the 2 that is different is that it's thinner and has a front facing camera. That's apple for ya, make a small modifacation and call it revolutionary, yet the damn thing lacks a mini-USB port and doesn't do wifi all that well unless you are within line-of-sight of the source (router, antenna, bluetooth, etc)
however, you android you got devices to this say still operating on 1.5 and up, so, it's a bit harder,
for example, some conpanies have it right, SiriusXM's premium app being one of those, but, that is mainly a port of the iPhone app (that app looks the same on all devices, tells me they either ported it or tried to make it universal, flycast is the same way, though the blackberry UI looks a bit different)

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ios doesnt dominate though.
Worlds most popular smartphone is Android.
Worlds most popular mobile os is Android.
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yes but alot of people use the iPhone over in europe.
here in the states we still have alot of people on feature phones, it's all about cost really. and the fact that in some areas verizon and ATT have no service there.

I meant ios apps dominate, developers need to develop for the latest versions 2.2+
The galaxy s2 is an amazing phone but it lacks the appstore
Facebook is an absolute joke on android, and ebay isn't much better
I understand that android sell more phones, so why don't developers focus on android
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yes but alot of people use the iPhone over in europe.
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And they have our sympathies, but help is available, their condition is treatable, they don't have to suffer in silence.

Kiboe said:
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yes but alot of people use the iPhone over in europe.
here in the states we still have alot of people on feature phones, it's all about cost really. and the fact that in some areas verizon and ATT have no service there.
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Well here's a source - http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/report-android-becomes-world-smartphone-leader-19634 I just thought this was common knowledge.
iphones aren't even World second. They come a miserable third.
There is also an article i read that i can't be bothered to find about the type of people that purchase iphones. Most people that purchase iphones are low income earners. And the perception these people have are that high income earners tend to purchase iphones, when in fact the trend is that they dont. Low income earners in general also think iphones are the best product available, and that is why they are willing to (stupidly?) hand over more money for a phone that is more expensive.
That is why the rich stay rich, and the poor stay poor.....that is, poor people generally have lower iq's and tend to fall for marketing and advertisement easier than rich people.
I myself am not rich, but i am also not stupid. My Android phone does everything an iphone can do (although i admit the app store is not as good as iphone app store), and i pay £26/month for a free phone, 600 minutes talk time/unlimited texts and a sizeable amount of data.
Androids all come with free sat navs etc.
The iphone cant touch this deal. Standard iphone contracts here in the UK are £40/month plus you need to pay a large amount of money extra for sat navs etc.
iphones in the United Kingdom are a complete rip off, and i must admit the people i see using them are your typical chav type people who spend all their spare cash in the pub getting drunk after work.
Business people have blackberrys, and cool people have Androids in my area

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Well here's a source - http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/report-android-becomes-world-smartphone-leader-19634 I just thought this was common knowledge.
iphones aren't even World second. They come a miserable third.
There is also an article i read that i can't be bothered to find about the type of people that purchase iphones. Most people that purchase iphones are low income earners. And the perception these people have are that high income earners tend to purchase iphones, when in fact the trend is that they dont. Low income earners in general also think iphones are the best product available, and that is why they are willing to (stupidly?) hand over more money for a phone that is more expensive.
That is why the rich stay rich, and the poor stay poor.....that is, poor people generally have lower iq's and tend to fall for marketing and advertisement easier than rich people.
I myself am not rich, but i am also not stupid. My Android phone does everything an iphone can do (although i admit the app store is not as good as iphone app store), and i pay £26/month for a free phone, 600 minutes talk time/unlimited texts and a sizeable amount of data.
Androids all come with free sat navs etc.
The iphone cant touch this deal. Standard iphone contracts here in the UK are £40/month plus you need to pay a large amount of money extra for sat navs etc.
iphones in the United Kingdom are a complete rip off, and i must admit the people i see using them are your typical chav type people who spend all their spare cash in the pub getting drunk after work.
Business people have blackberrys, and cool people have Androids in my area
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Partially agree, but blackberry is becoming a chav phone, young girls have the ****ty curve and their drug dealing 20 odd year old boyfriend has the ****ty bold.
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I have to agree, a lot of Android apps are not really polished and often are confusing to use.
But on the other hand you can do stuff which is flat out impossible on iPhone -- e.g. WidgetLocker.

You guys are forgetting Apple has strict rules for the App Store. Even design rules.

Looking at this discussion i am a little confuded. What do you people asking from your phones? To look glamour or to work smooth? Me I am really happy to have possibility changing every day look of my desktop and to install new apps only to look how it works on my Defy. I am really new user of Android and still learning. Whole differences between IOS and Android remainds me differences between McIntosh computers and PC's. First one has all put together and ready at once, but has not so many possibilities to change something - like IPhone. Second one is open for all range of applications - just like Android, and I like it .

Strict rules are beginning to happen in the marketplace :/ removed tv shows stream
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Looking at this discussion i am a little confuded. What do you people asking from your phones? To look glamour or to work smooth?
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Why can't you have both?
The smartphone "revolution" to call it something, came about by Apple being able to precisely do both: A phone that did a lot of stuff the other platforms were basically clueless about, and did it in a pretty way. Even today, the iPhone and iPad are *beautiful* pieces of hardware that are sort of being challenged by some of the Android OEM manufacturers (Galaxy Tab 10.1 comes to mind, HTC Incredible feels a lot like the iPhone 4).
Most of us are Android fans here, but don't let yourself be turned into a fanboy and be blinded by the truth, give Apple its due credit for, well, basically jumpstarting an entire industry around smartphones.
If Android is to really succeed it needs both to be functional *and* pretty. The smartphone is as much a tool as it is an accessory - denying it won't make it less true.
And to close, I'd like to point you to exhibit A - Linux desktop (I had Linux on my desktop for cpl of years, years ago - Today I use Win7)
For years on end as far back as I can remember, Linux users and fans would tout the technical aspects of Linux and how it is far superior to anything else out there. Things like memory management, speed, modularity, customizability, resiliency, etc. are all very impressive. And utterly irrelevant for like 99.99% of users (it might be 99.98% i'd need to check
What matters more to most users is how it actually feels to use it. How it feels to have one.
Both fan community and developer community (most of which are also fans) need to come to terms with this truth. It doesn't matter if Android is technically superior and super-duper customizable. For the masses, it needs to be pwetty and smooth.

The new Market needs to improve in load & download times. It can take ages for the Market to load & sometimes takes forever to download an app on wifi.

ferparedes said:
Why can't you have both?
The smartphone "revolution" to call it something, came about by Apple being able to precisely do both: A phone that did a lot of stuff the other platforms were basically clueless about, and did it in a pretty way. Even today, the iPhone and iPad are *beautiful* pieces of hardware that are sort of being challenged by some of the Android OEM manufacturers (Galaxy Tab 10.1 comes to mind, HTC Incredible feels a lot like the iPhone 4).
Most of us are Android fans here, but don't let yourself be turned into a fanboy and be blinded by the truth, give Apple its due credit for, well, basically jumpstarting an entire industry around smartphones.
If Android is to really succeed it needs both to be functional *and* pretty. The smartphone is as much a tool as it is an accessory - denying it won't make it less true.
And to close, I'd like to point you to exhibit A - Linux desktop (I had Linux on my desktop for cpl of years, years ago - Today I use Win7)
For years on end as far back as I can remember, Linux users and fans would tout the technical aspects of Linux and how it is far superior to anything else out there. Things like memory management, speed, modularity, customizability, resiliency, etc. are all very impressive. And utterly irrelevant for like 99.99% of users (it might be 99.98% i'd need to check
What matters more to most users is how it actually feels to use it. How it feels to have one.
Both fan community and developer community (most of which are also fans) need to come to terms with this truth. It doesn't matter if Android is technically superior and super-duper customizable. For the masses, it needs to be pwetty and smooth.
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I feel as if a phone should be smooth yes, but to give up functionality for the capability of saying "hey look how smooth scrolling back and forth looks on my idevice!" is absolutely insane, my personal opinion is this being able to 30 thousand times as much with your device > "look at my scrolling!"
this comes down to another thread come up recently about android never getting hardware acceleration, which i honestly think will happen from select manufacturers (i.e. prolly HTC if this lawsuit doesnt kill them and samsung at least will pay an entire crew of software engineers to make their androids as smooth as the idevices for the sake of ridding android of the ONLY thing anybody could ever complain about) and after that happens the market will be even more cornered than it is now, android absolutely dominating every feature, actually innovating with google's money instead of sueing anybody who has ever used a touchscreen in their device, and the general population will probably open their eyes and see just how exponentially much more android can do than MeeGo/WebOS/iOS/WP7/WinMo/Blackberry and they will wonder why they didnt switch in 2010 like those who foresaw this coming. dont get me wrong wp7/iDevices are awesome electronic products by all means and they suit the simple standard "i want to open the box, play one game every week, text a bit, and call my 1-4 friends with no work" consumer's needs, but android can fill EVERY consumers needs, yes android in theory requires more time to set up, if you want to, and if you dont want to? then you dont! but the thing is android gives you the choice to make a virtual representation of yourself/your personality if you so desire. NOBODY else offers this, or half of androids features and thats why I personally use Android over any other OS. not because android is better, but because it CAN do more.

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That would be perfect, but as we all know, perfection is always a goal to achieve, in reality hardly exist. Usualy you have to choose... If you want good lookin', you can have it, but often not much more. If you want something good working, sometimes as a bonus you can have good look
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Most of us are Android fans here, but don't let yourself be turned into a fanboy and be blinded by the truth, give Apple its due credits for, well, basically jumpstarting an entire industry around smartphones.
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I am strongely agree, we all have to give credits to Apple for starting and competing what moves all bussiness. And it is only for good so ways of Apple and another producers are different. We have opportunity to choose what we like.
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If Android is to really succeed it needs both to be functional *and* pretty. The smartphone is as much a tool as it is an accessory - denying it won't make it less true.
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That's the goal to achieve for android.

nice read...