The rep told me that is is 4G capable, if it is now or will be, I have not heard anything about it or seen a 4G signal icon, only 3G. I have t-mobile in Florida FYI.
It's not 4G capable. I believe it can go up to 7.2Mbps, still plenty for most users.
is he/she a amazon rep , cause they said me that hd7 supports 4G and also they are hooking up all customers with 4G 200 mb plan with tmobile , even though i didn't believe that , but i asked couple of times to amazon woreless and their reps repeatedly insisted that hd7 has $G , thats strange. They are doing pathetic false advertising ; This is what they are saying exactly.......
T-Mobile's New, Expanding Super-Fast HSPA+ Network
As of June, 2010, T-Mobile has upgraded its traditional 3G network to HSPA+ in 25 major metropolitan areas across the U.S., and it plans to continue rolling out this network upgrade to over 100 metropolitan cities and up to 185 million people by the end of 2010. HSPA+ provides our fastest data speeds, up to 3 times faster than AT&T and Verizon's standard 3G networks, while allowing simultaneous voice and data capabilities for the ultimate wireless voice and data experience.
HSPA+ enabled areas will enjoy 4G-like speeds, with a theoretical capability of up to 21 Mbps peak download speeds (and typical download speeds averaging between 5 and 8 Mbps).
While this 3G-enabled mobile phone doesn't offer HSPA+ compatibility, it can benefit from enhanced speeds when connecting to the HSPA+ network today.
can anyone explain what does that mean?
It means up to 14Mb/s as compared to the normal 3G speed of around 3.5Mb/s. HSDPA+ goes up to 21.1Mb/s and HSDPA, which is what the HD2 and now the HD7 use, is basically considered to be 3.5G and rated up to 14Mb/s.
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now i got it , didn't understand why amazon folk were stressing that it supports 4G , this explains why tmobile tv is running like a trash on present 3G so once hspa+ is on 3g speeds too increase. thank you.
louisville said:
now i got it , didn't understand why amazon folk were stressing that it supports 4G , this explains why tmobile tv is running like a trash on present 3G so once hspa+ is on 3g speeds too increase. thank you.
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Actually, T-Mobile's 3.5G (HSDPA) is faster than Sprint's official 4G. TV should run perfectly fine on T-Mobile's super fast 3.5G.
T-Mobile TV's bad performance is only on the WP7 and hopefully Microsoft will fix that just like they need to fix youtube quality. I have the Vibrant as well and T-Mobile TV works fine on the 3G. At least on my HD7, Netflix has much better quality than Youtube and T-Mobile TV.
This article I found will clear the air on most of the misunderstanding of 4g capability. Google (CNET WILL THE REAL 4G PLEASE STAND UP) BTW I run Netflix on my HD7 flawlessly, and that is on numerous trips around Houston.. I <3 my HD7...
Sorry about not being able to post the actual link.. I'm a new user and can't post links..
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T-Mobile TV's bad performance is only on the WP7 and hopefully Microsoft will fix that just like they need to fix youtube quality. I have the Vibrant as well and T-Mobile TV works fine on the 3G. At least on my HD7, Netflix has much better quality than Youtube and T-Mobile TV.
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I agree, netflix looks really good, especially when im on 3g. When im off 3g its acceptable. I do to love my HD7
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Actually, T-Mobile's 3.5G (HSDPA) is faster than Sprint's official 4G. TV should run perfectly fine on T-Mobile's super fast 3.5G.
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So, why call it 4g then? I guess they just put it out there because it is a good marketing technique? Saying your first and the only one with something has a pretty big affect, especially on the people who want the first and best of ANYTHING and EVERYTHING no matter the cost.
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This article I found will clear the air on most of the misunderstanding of 4g capability. Google (CNET WILL THE REAL 4G PLEASE STAND UP) BTW I run Netflix on my HD7 flawlessly, and that is on numerous trips around Houston.. I <3 my HD7...
Sorry about not being able to post the actual link.. I'm a new user and can't post links..
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Great article, but it does not elaborate on the HD7 or any WP7 specifically, just carriers.
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In the past HTC disabled 3G support on the S710 and S730 for use in the US because no US carrier 'supported' this phone. So although both were decent phones we couldn't use them at EDGE speeds.
Does anyone know if the Touch Diamond quad-band model works at 3G speeds with the US AT&T network?
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Bill
Oh yes, beautifully.. Better yet, the Diamond is able to use HSDPA with AT&T, which is faster than 3G, as alleged as 3.5G
Mine is working too!
Didn't work at first but I woke up this morning and the E turned into an H.
Thanks for the feedback!!
I bought the unlocked US version from Best Buy, they matched web price, and I had the phone up and running on AT&T very quickly. There is an auto setup for AT&T users. Solid performance, H in my area, auto changes elsewhere.
It can beat my home dsl speeds while tethering when I am on the road. That rocks pretty hard imo. Just be aware that the euro version of the diamond which can be found on the internet and in the used market cannot be flashed to light up the US 3G freqs, it really is a hardware issue.
Does anyone know if this will also work with T-Mobiles 3G network or is the frequency on this phone not capable? I want to check before I bite the bullet on picking one up. Thanks!
Unfortunatly, it won't due to different bandwidth. AT&T uses UMTS 850/1900, whereas T-Mobile uses 1700. More details can be found in "US 3G First Look" in this thread.
Hi! I have a nexus one on AT&T and absolutely love it, but due to cheaper prices and better customer support I am going to switch to T-MOBILE. So is the coverage with T-MOBILE with nexus one 3g issues worth it? How is T-MOBILE service? Please post your speeds and location in the comments. I live in East Texas and get about 2.5 megs with AT&T. Thanks forrest.
I've been with tmobile for about 6 years and their customer service is pretty great but their 3G coverage is a bit spotty in some areas. Personally, I usually have 3G and H speeds and I live in the Miami-dade and broward county in Florida. I can't really give you my speeds because I haven't taken the time to find out but they usually have a map that shows their coverage, though I don't know how accurate they are. Hope I was of some help.
I live in Sacramento and get about 700-900kbps. Nowhere near 2 megs. I've heard of other areas that get much faster speeds (HSPA+ areas). However, I rarely run into an area where I won't pick up 3G.
i live in miami florida, their service is horrible; atleast in my neighborhood. i cant get 70k downloads to save my life.
I just did one quick speed test and I got 1.77 Mbps
Yea I'm picking up my N1 tonight from the FedEx hub since my gf can't answer the door.
I live in Cincinnati OH area and it seems to be good. My neighbor has full bars on his Nexus one and Tmobile, although I don't think he's the type to know his download speed.
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Yea I'm picking up my N1 tonight from the FedEx hub since my gf can't answer the door.
I live in Cincinnati OH area and it seems to be good. My neighbor has full bars on his Nexus one and Tmobile, although I don't think he's the type to know his download speed.
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I live in Cincinnati as well. The west side of town to be more accurate.
I can agree that for the most part 3G/H is pretty common there are still a decent amount of Edge holes in certain areas.
Overall the connection is pretty good.
My issue is the download/upload speeds on the Tmobile 3G/H network in Cincinnati. It doesn't matter where I go; Downtown, Kenwood, Blue Ash, Milford, Springdale, Cheviot, Northern KY... My speeds are pretty subpar
for 3G+. I get on avg .4-.5 mbps down and .3-.4 mbps up no matter where I am at in the city. This includes being within a football field of an H equiped tower.
They have some major work to do in Cincinnati when it comes to upgrading the networks backhaul.
remember you will have to buy a new nexus one to work with tmobile's 3G. the att version only supports ATt's 3G, and the tmobile only supports tmobile's 3G. so you will need a new phone
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remember you will have to buy a new nexus one to work with tmobile's 3G. the att version only supports ATt's 3G, and the tmobile only supports tmobile's 3G. so you will need a new phone
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This is true. They are setup slightly different to handle that carriers specific 3G/H frequencies. Maybe you can sell yours on Craigslist if you decide to and break even.
That is my plan. Anyone with coverage in Texas? espicaly in East Texas? Also when is the 21 mbps supposed to be released? I am just a little hesitant to jump ship.
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i live in miami florida, their service is horrible; atleast in my neighborhood. i cant get 70k downloads to save my life.
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Thats wonderful. I like up the street (kinda) in Tampa florida and thats the news I was hoping for..
I have cognition rom and instead of having 3g I have this H internet. It sits on 3g for a milla second then switches to H. My buddy with iphone four is getting way higher speed tests than me, why can't I get 3g and get better speeds?
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Since this has only been answered 100 times in the past three weeks...
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=H+instead+of+3g+XDA
AND as far as the better speeds for the Iphone go......you can Google that as well............ I'm guessing your on At&T?
I don't know why but my buddies 3g was consistently hitting 300-350 kbs. The max I was hitting was like 150. We were right next to each other when we were testing this, I guess that the iphone blows the captivate away in 3g reception and speed. Also in the spotty areas he was keeping his 3g and I was dropping down to edge. Kinda disappointed . Had anyone else noticed that the 3g reception isn't that good our is it just my area?
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I have cognition rom and instead of having 3g I have this H internet. It sits on 3g for a milla second then switches to H. My buddy with iphone four is getting way higher speed tests than me, why can't I get 3g and get better speeds?
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this is why i hate american cell providers, they want you to remain ignorant. it's not your fault but it is funny that people arent familiar with grps, edge, hspa, and hspa+ it is like they are telling you that you are too stupid to understand so you dont need to know.
the cdma providers are the worst. but att should be proud of having hspa, but i think they want to hide the fact that it is not available in all 3g areas. instead they advertise the hspa speeds as there 3g speeds as hspa works on there 3g network. they dont distinguish the two so you think there network is so much faster in so many places
meanwhile verizon advertises the hspa coverage for att as 3g coverage to make att's coverage look smaller. they say they have so much more coverage, if they showed a current 3g map for att instead of the hspa coverage you would not see a big difference at all. also cdma 3g is totally different from what att has and is not a fair comparison in the first place. how can you compare coverage if the speed is not comparable?
Comparing phones side by side with speed test is also not the best way to test which device is faster, especially if they are on the same network. I am annoyed by the input on this device or Id go in depth. Use some google-foo and read on cell phone signaling and theory and youll see what I mean.
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I was looking at the 18MBPS LTE speeds in canada and was confused. I'm getting a consistant 14-17 MBPS on HSPA+. What's with the rush for LTE?
I got 17.56Mbps. However, according to the LTE thread, some people in Canada can get up to ~40-50 Mbps...
Did a speed test the other day on T-Mobile HSPA+ and I got over 20. Not bad considering my home internet connection is 25. My Nexus 4 is lightning fast on HSPA+, I'm not seeing the need to switch to LTE either for at least a couple more years.
I have reached 21 Mbps download and 3 Mbps upload. LTE is average 30+ download and upload.
HSPA+ saves battery and LTE kills it.
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The reason LTE is better is that is generally has lower latency speeds and absolutely has faster upload speeds.
In the US, AT&T has terrible 3G speeds. But T-mobile's HSPA network is generally really fast. So it really depends on your provider. And yes, LTE has very little latency. But if you are on T-mobile and have great coverage, I don't think LTE would be a big change. Unless you are tethering, LTE vs HSPA+ is not a huge difference.
People need to learn the difference of MB and Mb
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People need to learn the difference of MB and Mb
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The shift key?
I haven't had super stellar HSPA+ speeds around town (Portland, OR, on T-Mobile) but just now I did one and got 24.2Mbps down, 5Mbps up. :good: Good enough for me by far. That's faster than my home internet.
Edit: Wait, that was my home internet. Up too late last night... 13Mbps down, 1.5Mbps up. That's still not bad.
If we do enable the LTE part of the phone, does that mean our battery life would be depleting faster?
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If we do enable the LTE part of the phone, does that mean our battery life would be depleting faster?
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The other day I got 63mbps on my Nexus 4, take that T Mobile
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The other day I got 63mbps on my Nexus 4, take that T Mobile
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But T-Mobile is going to construct an AWS LTE network in the US, and it will be newer than the LTE on other carriers.
People also forget.
What is the use of 50 Mbps download if the website you are looking at only displays at 10 Mbps up?
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I guess a lot of people hoping for LTE are on AT&T. I get a bit 2-3 Mbps down, 1-1.5 Mbps up (250-375 KB/s and 125-188 KB/s, I don't get why people use bits for bandwidth when everyone is clearly more familiar with bytes...).
I wonder if you need a smartphone plan on AT&T to get LTE on an off-network-branded device. I'm using MediaNET and I'd rather pay $10 for unlimited 3G than $25 for 2GB of 4G. If we can eventually use LTE incognito on AT&T and keep our MediaNET plans, I'll be happy. Doesn't really make a difference to me either way. 3G speeds are more than good enough for browsing. I don't mind a little buffering if I'm streaming HD video on the go.
I have vzw lte and tmo hspa (via straight talk) with both I see ~10Mbps in and around southern california, so I too see no need to rush out for an LTE phone AND I figure the n5 will have it so in a year this will all be moot.
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I guess a lot of people hoping for LTE are on AT&T. I get a bit 2-3 Mbps down, 1-1.5 Mbps up (250-375 KB/s and 125-188 KB/s, I don't get why people use bits for bandwidth when everyone is clearly more familiar with bytes...).
I wonder if you need a smartphone plan on AT&T to get LTE on an off-network-branded device. I'm using MediaNET and I'd rather pay $10 for unlimited 3G than $25 for 2GB of 4G. If we can eventually use LTE incognito on AT&T and keep our MediaNET plans, I'll be happy. Doesn't really make a difference to me either way. 3G speeds are more than good enough for browsing. I don't mind a little buffering if I'm streaming HD video on the go.
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Pre payed att you do require a smartphone plan to get the full speed. It will be like 50 bucks I believe..
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You guys are lucky. I literally get less than .2Mbps down/up where I live due to it being 2G :crying:. Always on my 30/5 WiFi. Sometimes I'll get upwards of 5 in the city. Some "4G" eh? T-Mobile is an absolute joke for me here and I HATE it.
LTE is king for latency.
I play a lot of counterstrike, and there used to be a regular who'd play over VZW LTE. Guy had lower latency than I did over cable. More important, he seemed completely fluid in the game-- no jitter or packet loss. Completely playable. That's huge.
Your thread title's pretty misleading. There is a big difference between 16.5MBPS and 16.5MbPS.
Thinking of jumping ship to TMO, for the simple fact I can get root on all my devices. No contract, unlimited everything. Where I am hoping I don't have any issues with service. I am curious to know what the thoughts of everyone. Pro's Con's of switching/staying and or buying a TMO N4 to use on ATT network..
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This thread is about that: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2941837
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This thread is about that: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2941837
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Thanks for that link...
Read through it. Issue I am having is the wife is having better service in some areas where ATT isn't as good. But I am finding that in some cases, ATT is faster in speed tests. TMO has been solid as far as service where I live..
Sucks, cause I can't find a solid answer for the people who have had the chance to try both carriers and who they like best. ATT has a higher over cost, but is that worth "better" service?
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Thanks for that link...
Read through it. Issue I am having is the wife is having better service in some areas where ATT isn't as good. But I am finding that in some cases, ATT is faster in speed tests. TMO has been solid as far as service where I live..
Sucks, cause I can't find a solid answer for the people who have had the chance to try both carriers and who they like best. ATT has a higher over cost, but is that worth "better" service?
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FWIW, I've noticed that the spots that I mainly have less than stellar service is through stretches of road away from the major cities. For me, I commute / work / live around a major city, as do my friends and family so it isn't a factor for me. As far as AT&T goes, a few of my friends have AT&T, and I will get better service in spots compared to them and vice versa. I would tell you to try out the T-Mobile test drive option if they still have it. You can try an iPhone or I believe a GS5 for seven days to gauge the service for yourself. As far as I can tell though the service, coverage, and speed are roughly the same in and around major cities and highly populated areas.
take the t mobile 7 day challenge and make up your own mind..
If you do the 7 day T-Mobile thing your credit card will get a hold of $700 plus and if you don't bring the iPhone back in 7 days it will get charged. If that's a issue I think you can buy a cheap phone and test it then return? I love T-Mobile. I had Sprint for 14 years. Now a year and a half with T-Mobile.
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take the t mobile 7 day challenge and make up your own mind..
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The only thing with that is they give you an iPhone 5S, which handles T-Mobile's AWS frequencies quite poorly. If possible, I would take that sim and put it into a T-Mobile branded Android device for better service.
AT&T will always have better coverage as they have their HSPA+ on band 5, 850mhz, which goes way farther than band 4, 1700 mhz. AT&T also has nationwide LTE on band 17, 700mhz.
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The only thing with that is they give you an iPhone 5S, which handles T-Mobile's AWS frequencies quite poorly. If possible, I would take that sim and put it into a T-Mobile branded Android device for better service.
AT&T will always have better coverage as they have their HSPA+ on band 5, 850mhz, which goes way farther than band 4, 1700 mhz. AT&T also has nationwide LTE on band 17, 700mhz.
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not everyone needs "nationwide" lte; if you dont travel much, and if tmobile is great in your area, none of that other stuff matters..
Tmobile is fantastic in chicago land, and since I dont travel for a living anymore, I love the savings, the coverage, the speed, everything about it..
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not everyone needs "nationwide" lte; if you dont travel much, and if tmobile is great in your area, none of that other stuff matters..
Tmobile is fantastic in chicago land, and since I dont travel for a living anymore, I love the savings, the coverage, the speed, everything about it..
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I'm from the Chicago land area, and I can tell you they're not good. When traveling, only about 20 miles outside the city, my data went from LTE to 4G to E back and fourth. I was also in Des Plaines, IL and data was nothing but weak 4G and E inside buildings. My AT&T phone was always on LTE. Back at home, same thing. Good coverage outside, terrible signal inside buildings. I don't think I'd complain if the EDGE actually worked lol.
For years they had nothing but EDGE at my house, and now its finally LTE (but weak). So they are improving the signals with additional antennas. I just don't think its enough. Not every market will get their band 12, 700mhz spectrum do to channel 51 interference.
I dont know what you are talking about, everywhere in chicagoland that I have been has been great as far as signals strength
And, if you have issues inside your house, just ask them for the FREE Asus ac68 router, and your inside the house signals will be great too
In another thread a person on here said T-Mobile wasn't good where I live. Coverage is great pretty much everywhere I go so guess maybe that person had a dud phone.
Right now I am able to test 2 Note 4's. One on TMO, and the other on ATT. Some areas have been better for ATT, and vice versa for TMO. Speed tests seem to favor ATT a little. But with download booster on TMO unlimited LTE, I think that might edge a head some. I don't travel a ton, the areas I do travel are usually major highways and major cities.. So once I am able to go to a few more places that will give me a better idea of who I want to stick with.
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I dont know what you are talking about, everywhere in chicagoland that I have been has been great as far as signals strength
And, if you have issues inside your house, just ask them for the FREE Asus ac68 router, and your inside the house signals will be great too
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Have you traveled out to Northwest, IN? They've gotten a lot better, but still are weak. I have no desire to use them. Especially now that I have 20GB of data from AT&T for $100. AT&T is miles a head of T-Mobile in my area.