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Hello people
I have read many of the threads in this section.
I know that the Video Driver problem is not solved yet n will not be solved..as per HTC's reply
Is it worth investing on HTC TYTN2??
Is it stable coz many people say the touch screen is not accurate and even it has some reception problems?
Or shall i go for HTC P4350??
Diamond-a BIG NO..funniest part is that its cheaper than TYTN2..ladies phone n moreover the diamond thread is almost full reveling its original true colour..bad reviews..infact worst..
Plz help n suggest me which one to go for.
Thank u
yea deffinetly worth the investment...driver iisues will be taken care of at about the same time htc drops the driver for the touch pro and diamond which have similar chipsets so thats for sure..just taken some time..other then that its one of the best phones out on the market...and me personally i think it cruches the iphone in so many ways so dont even consider the ****ty iphone...its just a pretty toy. If you want something that will actually do things and has a great inferstructure< the att tilt/ kaiser is one of the best out there...built in GPS, wifi bluetooth..you name it. And with the rapidly growing software available for pocket pc...the downloads are endless and the tweaking is endless..something you cant do with alot of phones, especially with the iphone
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yea deffinetly worth the investment...driver iisues will be taken care of at about the same time htc drops the driver for the touch pro and diamond which have similar chipsets so thats for sure..just taken some time..other then that its one of the best phones out on the market...and me personally i think it cruches the iphone in so many ways so dont even consider the ****ty iphone...its just a pretty toy. If you want something that will actually do things and has a great inferstructure< the att tilt/ kaiser is one of the best out there...built in GPS, wifi bluetooth..you name it. And with the rapidly growing software available for pocket pc...the downloads are endless and the tweaking is endless..something you cant do with alot of phones, especially with the iphone
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Nice to hear from u.Definitely i would never replace my windows stream to an Iphone.
I have to say, I'm a hardcore FPS/MMORPG gamer I play games 6+ hours a day... I suggest if you want smooth gaming experience, high fps, go for a PC or laptop with topnotch nvidia graphics card, a PSP or a NINTENDO DS... If you want watch online videos on TYTN II, yes, it works perfectly fine. I watch m.youtube.com on it all the time and the frame rate is SMOOTH enough to watch!
People are over reacting and amplifying about the graphics problem on a lot of HTC devices. I had the tytn ii for almost a month now and I couldn't be happier with the update. I had bunch nokia phones before, (as you can see from my signature) and there is a good reason I switched to a WinMo device... because it's customization ability and widely available programs.
Well... the only time the video is not working so well is when you try to play .mpg or .avi files... they play slow like a turtle, about 3-5 frames per second...
Just my 2 cent opinion.
wait for the sony xperia x1 or the samsung omnia, as good as the kaiser is its not worth getting it now..its been out for a year and new devices are coming out in the next 2-6 months that will CRUSH the kaiser..phones that actually have an acceleromter for one thing lol
Did you say Samsung. They make the worst Windows Mobile devices. Blackjack I and Blackjack II have internet problems. I do tech support and have to deal with them every day. The settings will be correct but the internet wont connect. You shouldn't have to do a master reset to get the phone working. I would never buy a samsung anything!!.
Xperia X1 is hot so is the Touch Pro!!
How many times a month do we get this question?
Seems like everyday, I heard there were video driver problems, should I buy it.
The only persona that can actually tell if you should buy it or not is you. Every phone has a little "con" the iPhone's happens to be that it doesn't support MMS while even the Cheap Nokia Free phones do.
So I'd say Go to a Cell store and play with it, that is the only way you will actually know.
Well basically I may be getting a HTC diamond, but would like to know some things from people who actually own them.
My mum has the HTC and has got it replaced so now its a brand new phone. She has offered to switch for my Nokia N95 but Im unsure. I am trying it this weekend to get better used to it and see if I want to switch.
All I hear from people that don't own WM is WM sucks I hate it blah blah blah. Which I pretty much know is complete bollocks.
I just really want to know how easy it is to live with day to day.
I am only 15 and do text a lot and am quite concerned about the screen size and no physical keys.
And what sort of customization is there?
Haha sorry for being all over the place but answers are appreciated!
Thanks, Ben.
there are software keyboards like phonepad which does t9
if I were you I would try it out and see if I liked it
thanks, I will give that a try.
I have a few more questions though:
Where can I get a 3.5mm jack for it? (UK) I bought a cheap one off ebay that failed.
Also, Whats all the ROM thing about? Is there an Easy F.A.Q about it all?
Thanks, Ben
for a 15yo who texts a lot, I'd recommend getting the touch pro or something else with a physical keyboard. I don't think the Diamond is for casual users because it's very finnicky and a lot of customization is needed if you really want to enjoy the phone. This is not a knock on the Diamond at all because I LOVE mine, but I'm giving you advice that you might not be enjoying it as much because at 15yo, I wouldnt like flashing ROMs or installing cabs anyway. But hey, who knows, it might be different in your case =)
Well I do love technology so learning is all good for me when flashing ROM's I'm always interested in that kind of thing.
As for custumisation I love that sort of things and can spend hours and hours just fiddling with tech.
Its just really the SMS which Im worried about. But I suppose when I break it down I only send 20/30 texts a day so maybe I could live.
Ahh I dont know. I guess living with it this weekend will help. The device is insured anyway so even if I brick it a new one will be sent right away
what is WinMo 6.5 all about? Its not even released yet? Is it worth upgrading or not?
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Well basically I may be getting a HTC diamond, but would like to know some things from people who actually own them.
My mum has the HTC and has got it replaced so now its a brand new phone. She has offered to switch for my Nokia N95 but Im unsure. I am trying it this weekend to get better used to it and see if I want to switch.
All I hear from people that don't own WM is WM sucks I hate it blah blah blah. Which I pretty much know is complete bollocks.
I just really want to know how easy it is to live with day to day.
I am only 15 and do text a lot and am quite concerned about the screen size and no physical keys.
And what sort of customization is there?
Haha sorry for being all over the place but answers are appreciated!
Thanks, Ben.
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Well, i'm a "new" windows mobile user (3 months), before that i had a n95, so here's what i think: The diamond screen is bigger and has double the definition than the n95 one. The Diamond screen keyboard (EzInput) is incredible, at first you feel strange, but after about a week you get used and is really easy to type (even with my fat fingers ), since it's a "full keyboard".
The factory Rom for the diamond is a little slower than the symbiam (n95 OS), but with some modifications from this forum it becomes much faster, but still crashes one or other time, and you have to turn it off/on (about once a week, when i'm doing too much stuff at the same time and there's no more free memory. nothing to worry about).
The N95 is much better for music (with the stereo speakers and dedicated keys) and photos (flash, higher resolution), but for all the other things you can't even compare it. On the diamond, the web navigation and the GPS are much better, using to edit documents on the office is really easier with the touch screen, seeing your e-mails is faster and the "phone" functions are really simple.
Now the best thing about WinMo are the apps you can download. You have great programs to do quite about anything. Like a PC remote controller, a torrent downloader, a podcast and RSS reader, and games like a emulator of Snes and Playstation 1, quake 3 arena, Call of Duty 2, etc.
As for customisation, it's praticcaly infinite. you can use and write different today plugins and screens, and make it look like anything, from your Pc desktop to an Iphone, just take a look at some posts here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=428463 and here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=508429
Just for you to be sure i don't work for microsoft , don't be fooled: out of factory the diamond is slow, doesn't has so many good Apps and has an unstable system. The cutomization and tweaks are the things that make all the difference! Good luck with your choice.
Oh, and i'm 22 and i don't work with my mobile or with computers, so i just use Winmo cause it's a lot of fun.
Well day 1 and Im loving it. Looks like I'll be keeping this
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just look arround on this forum and you will find allot of interresting programs and addons for your phone
all things makes live a little easyer
I switched from a Samsung Jack ("Blackjack II" in the states) to this phone because the Samsung wasn't compatible with a lot of the WM apps I wanted to use. The Diamond does a hell of a lot more and does it a lot better. I will say, though, that texting is much more of a pain when compared to a phone with a full hardware keyboard. I mess up a lot unless I'm using a stylus. Maybe it's just me.
ok I am guess everyone in the forum is uber informed about all things smartphone.....
So basically I feel like someone playing dualing banjo's at a mensa meeting.
well now that the self-deprication is out of the way my questions I am hoping to get some answers to.
First of all I am considering getting the Xperia x1 through Rogers. Being canadian its my only choice other than paying an insane amount for an unlocked......
I am worried rogers has totally locked down the phone though. I have only scratched the surface of all the cool stuff that can be done with this phone.
Just glancing at the mod section of this forum made my head spin.
Anyways if anyone here has the rogers version of the x1 could you please let me know if its a shackled broken version of its unlocked stupid expensive self.
If not would it be a endurance trial to get it unlocked? From the tiny bit of research I have done so far I am pretty sure paying someone else to do it would be my only option.
Being able to do it myself would be a happy suprise though. Hell not having to unlock it at all would be the best suprise of all.....
Anyways thats enough of a rant for my first post. I really hope all you knowlegable people don't mind me picking your brain.....
Thanks in advance.
You don't need to unlock. Just Hard-SPL (there is a tutorial in the stickies at the beginning of the ROM forum) and then you can flash with any custom ROM you like.
There are also an abundance of cabs that you can use to customize your device in a variety of ways, whether you choose stock ROM or a custom one.
If you want to migrate to a different provider there are options to SIM unlock your phone, but if all you want is to get rid of Rogers garbage that is on your phone, read up on Hard-SPL and then look at some of the custom ROMs.
Hope this helps a little.
I will look up the Hard-SPL right away....
Though it sounds perfect I don't want to get my hopes up to high. If its to complicated and there is any chance of me bricking the x1 I don't know if it will be worth it.
Then again if I read the tutorial until my eyes bleed I should be able to do it blindfolded....
Anyways dude it more than helps its amazing I really appreciate the info. While I have your attention 2 more questions about the x1 if I could.
First does it double as a decent media player? I have been looking for one for a LONG time and having it combined with my phone would be convenient.
For movies,anime,tv shows and audio books.....just to name some media I would use it for.
And second can the X1 connect to any wireless internet source or do you have to have internet through your cell provider?
Thanks again. Cheers!
It's got Wi-Fi, so don't worry about that. You can tap into Wi-Fi same as you would on any laptop.
As far as media player... well that depends. It can play a lot of different file types by default. There is a Media Xperience Panel that organizes things pretty well (There are a lot of versions of this floating around, be sure to get a good one for you - took me a while). Unfortunately hardware acceleration only really seems to work in old-fashioned Windows Media Player on the device.
There are third-party software solutions like Kinoma and Core Player that are pretty and nice, but their performance may suffer on high-res videos.
I'd recommend trying different solutions. If you are trying to watch full WVGA (800X480) video you may want to launch with Windows Media Player (I hate it, but your video will look smooth and beautiful), but if you are going to be watching WQVGA (400X240) resolution or lower video many other choices could be good.
Sorry, if that part of the answer is long-winded, but I am trying to wind-up a lot of info I have accumulated on the subject into one post. For more detailed info you may want to search the forums. I know there is video conversion software and info here somewhere.
Some Xperia users have been very happy with video performance, others have not. So this is something that will likely be subjective.
Music, though, works great (I use bluetooth headphones) and it has a regular headphone jack, if you are so inclined to use it. I listen to all my podcasts from my Xperia, which I download off of my Wi-Fi connection at home. So no need to sync or transfer or anything.
High-Res screen on the Xperia also makes picture viewing very enjoyable.
Hope this answers your questions pretty well.
speakers
Just thought I would point out that while sound is great with headphones and fine for talking on the phone, the loudspeaker on the xperia isnt that good,
Also have you considered waiting for the x2?
it has a few software and hardware upgrades, but it will be a little pricy at first and XDA developers wont fully support it cause its not HTC manufactured.
Aside from that The X1 is a great phone, and the price these days is quite good. I have one and Im giving one to my father for christmas.
First of all thank you both for your input.
Reading stuff on the net always comes in second to getting info from people like you.
@Hannigan174 thanks for the honesty about the video. One plus side is though conversion is a pain I would do it. Another plus is I don't give a crap about high-res versions of stuff as long as its watchable. I have seen mixed things about youtube, but I would guess that there is a panel or rom that lets you watch it.
On the Music front its mostly audiobooks I listen to right now so the fact that it will those more than decently is very good.
@Hungry81 Right now I am using the w580i walkman phone. I don't know how the X1's loudspeaker would compare to the 580's....? Its not the end of the world if its not quite as good though.
And I am always thinking about waiting for the new and better thing....
But my 580 is REALLY showing its age and the x1 is very enticing.
But this does lead me to something else thats been nagging me.....
Rogers also carries the HTC Dream and the Magic. Would either of those compare to the X1?
I know they are completely different animals being WinMo and android but I am OCD about getting the best phone I can.
I wish rogers carried the Hero though, to me the Hero blows the Dream and Magic out of the water.
Anyways opinions on the X1 Vs the 2 HTC's would be appreciated. And thanks again for all the info you guys have already given me.
High Res screen on the X1, and all my Windows Mobile goodies. I would stick with X1.
Now if you like the Android interface, perhaps the Dream would be nice. I really like having a hardware keyboard so the Magic wouldn't be an option for me.
There is a lot more stuff for WinMo right now, and realistically this site makes any WinMo device more appealing than any other smartphone OS. As evidence you should look at the X2 software thread and how quickly they broke down that prototype and extracted all the goodies from it.
I got nothing against Android, and perhaps in a few years when it is more mature I might even migrate to Android. There are even Android development forums here, but the many WVGA apps and resources make the X1 the choice for me.
Keep in mind that what is best is very subjective, and the reasons for me liking my X1 might not outweigh benefits of another device for you.
In summation I chose X1 because:
X1 - More apps, hardware keyboard, WVGA resolution (pretty pretty screen )
As of late, 'our' part of the forum is seeing less frequent updates. Modders seem to leave for newer phones and the various ROMs that are being updated are becoming a minority.
So, are you still sticking with the X1 or are you thinking of getting the X2 or any other next-gen phone?
I am sticking with my X1 for now. Can't afford an X2 or X10 yet Maybe I'll change it in 4-5 years Just hope the chefs and cook keep coming out with better and better ROMs.
You cannot predict that kind of things anyway
Seeing as i cant get the X2 anywhere on contract and it isnt going to be much better than the x1 i am going to get the HD2 - its looks amazing!
I'm sticking with x1 for now too. But I am also very eager to get the Nexus One in my hands... as it already has a large and fast growing support on this very forum.
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As of late, 'our' part of the forum is seeing less frequent updates. Modders seem to leave for newer phones and the various ROMs that are being updated are becoming a minority.
So, are you still sticking with the X1 or are you thinking of getting the X2 or any other next-gen phone?
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X1 for now definitely.
A great device.
X2 soon probably.
Happy with X1
I'm happy (and stuck on contract still for quite a while) with X1
It's a great hardware form factor if you want a hardware keyboard in a 'normal' sized phone, okay HD2 is definitely the lead 'sexy' device at the moment but it's too big and doesn't have a hardware keyboard.
To me there still seems to be a lot of ROM activity going on (more choice than I can handle) and the fact that latest Sense 2.5 has now been enhanced on this forum to run in landscape means that phones like the X1 are actually getting better again with later ROMs whereas before that it made sense to stay on Manilla 2.1 to have landscape support.
I'm just hoping that the cooks and the community get to the bottom of this Standby of Death problem that seems to be affecting many people on our X1 with WM6.5 + Manilla 2.5 builds as shiny software is nice, but unreliable is not something I can accept in my phone
People knock WM6.5's progress, but try the latest WM6.5.3 ROMs with buttons all along the bottom, Manilla 2.5 and finger friendly menus and icons everywhere and WM6.1 feels a huge step back!
Overall I'm very disappointed that Sony dropped the X1 with no official WM6.5 support after boasting that we were premium customers and would be supported as such...you bet I am!
However the ROM forum for X1 is still buzzing and making major changes so I'm very happy and see a bright future for the X1 still.
Thanks XDA Developers!
X10 or Nexus one
Just waiting for next month for MWC2010 for see all the goodies if nothing interesting then X10 or Nexus one
cheers
XT701 - if I can make it to China soon!
But realistically, I'll probably stick to X1 for a good few years because I don't even see anything on the horizon that fits my wants. Maybe WM 7 will come with some sweet new phones? If the XT701 comes to America I might get it when it hits despite the lack of a hardware keyboard.
I only just got my X1!
I went over to the HD2 camp. Still visit xperia forums occasionally as it now is my "play with roms" phone.
I'm still definately staying on the x1 ..... I've been a big harvester in times when the x1 scene was crowded and up-to-date....lately I have learned cooking and am trying to create ma own stuff.....now i'm under exams but i'll defo try to offer gd stuff for x1 users for at least an year or so....so yes I'm here to stay and to COOK !!
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I only just got my X1!
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Me too, still have 20+ months contract more... loving X1 at least it is better than some normal phones that does not have qwerty keypad, I chose this phone because of its accessibility on qwerty keyboard and it looks nice
I have only my X1 at the minute. Contract is due for an upgrade in June, so considering the X10. I don't think that the X2 is worth upgrading too as many people have said that anything available on the X2 also works on the X1 (within reason...)
Love my wee X1 (beats the pants of my co-workers' Blackberrys! )
well... as some of You know allready - I gave up. the _only_ thing worse in hd2 over x1 is battery life. other than that - couldn't been happier... for now.
btw: no x2 in voda uk http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=11973 boo hoo we shall be so sad now I guess...
I think there will be ROM development for the X1 for quite a while. I had a Prophet before the X1, and there was a lot of activity on that forum 2 years after I got mine, and a good 18 months after it was non-current.
I think ROM development is the leading indicator to watch. I haven't looked at stats between different forums, but subjectively based on current activity I think we'll have ROMs for a while .
From a hardware perspective, the X1 is pretty good (prepare to be flamed). OK it's not leading edge any more, no accelerometer, video issues etc, but in terms of the processor and onboard RAM it's going to be OK.
Would I like the latest phone? Of course, but running a custom ROM which is fast & stable, I don't have a lot of motivation to change.
So I'm staying
I'll be staying
I've had this phone for 3 months and now i've only discovered the SE support issue. I wish i knew it when i brought it but i love the x1 in all its faults. What else could i buy, i didn't like much and it needed to be professional?! I hope development continues. I don't expect WM7 to be ported but that would be great.. I'm sure the phone wouldn't be able to run it on its specs.
Regardless I'll start a new thread and see what you guys are using your phones for and how you sync, i'm after ideas - this is my first smartphone.
I've had my X1 since a few weeks after it's release. I love it, but was dissatisfied that the software felt "unfinished" when SE released it. I now have the latest Christian Clean ROM installed and am pretty satisfied. I'll stick with the X1 until a truly kick-ass phone comes along:
My kick-ass phone:
1) "Zune HD phone"
2) iPhone responsiveness or better. I want absolutely no pauses and lags when I am operating the phone. This pisses me off most about WM. A faster CPU alone won't solve this!
3) Comprehensive speech-to-text (especially in SMS'ing and email)
4) INSTANT task switching when multi-tasking.
5) Hardware keyboard
6) Built-in comprehensive voice navigation so third-party developers can take advantage of it (not an add-on app like Voice Command).
7) Media download service ala iTunes (In other words, Zune integration)
8) Tegra, Snapdragon, nVidia or whatever CPU
9) Heavy-duty construction like X1 or original iPhone.
I probably won't buy another SE phone though. After the X1, it seems SE started going downhill and are showing no signs of improvement (X2 and X10 for example). I will probably get something HTC (an HD2 with keyboard that works with U.S. AT&T would be nice), unless Apple releases an iPhone with keyboard, multitasking and WVGA screen
X1 now but wait for X10 when is out....
I am waiting for a high end Android device with AT&T 3G support to come out. My X1 is so frustrating. My battery drains to about 40% then just dies like the battery is empty.
Just a mini review of my HD7 after 4 days use. Coming from an HD2 (with 6.5.5 & Android) and having had mobiles since the classic was the only phone on Cellnet you could get I've used most!
However the HD7 being a first version has it's issues. A couple I have noticed are just stupid - others annoying.
I won't go over how it looks or the tiles or anything like that; this is just my experience of the device as a "phone".
Call quality seems ok - but the moment you get a border line signal you're stuffed. Incoming call audio is fine they just cannot hear you at all. Nothing Nada! You need to get a bar on the signal meter or you've no hope of being heard. My 5800 & HD2 both hang on to a cell signal much longer than the HD7 does.
Phone book is nice however it has a trend to dial the last person called rather than the entry you want - especially if you've gone from call history to the phone book - I don't know how many times I phoned my mum recently (but I am sorry for being a phone pest!!). Again this seems to be a version 1 issues.
But my biggest two grips are that how do you save an email attachment? We've all got things on our phones we want to transfer - Nokia do a lovely app to BT all your old goodies to your new phone - please other phone people take note!
So emailed myself the file(s) I needed - they appear in the email - but no way to save them - I can open the media - just not save it! Great. No "right" finger or "hold" finger menu in email application.
OK then - lets BT the files over ... turn BT on - let's pair with the HD2 and get some files from it. Nope cannot pair with the HD2 in Android or WM6 - says "paired" but unable to connect. Fine. Let's try another way with BT push - nope - paired cannot connect... Bleeeeewwwhhh.
So there does not seem to be anyway to get something from someone on the move sent to your phone. Cannot save attachments and cannot pair with other phones to BT files. Maybe a v1 issue again?
Not too sure on the HD7 at the moment - the wow is nice and yes the interface seems to be working as expected. However loose a data connection and you cannot open the people hub until you restart the device for some odd reason after loading Facebook contacts, and worst still "Lists" no longer works and gives a message about a DLL missing. Great, cannot find a way to un-install it or re-install it. The only menu option is "share" which does not help much really.
I am going to see if there is anything on line about the issues it seems to have. But so far - yes good phone - but WP7 needs some work. Maybe a quick update is needed here Microsoft? HTC seem to have done well getting the units out - not sure if anyone else is seeing similar?
Oh and I would really like a some menus to give some more control over the phone! You criticise WM6.5 for not being very finger friendly - but at least you have some options to change! Where are they hidden in 7 LOL!
So far hardware 10/10 but OS? 2 maybe 3 /10.
Oh and HTC you're being bloody cheap not sending out your top of the range phone with out a sleeve to keep it in, the HD2 has a lovely sleeve and that has saved it many a time - the HD7 I had to spend another £15.00 ($20) on a bumper to keep it safe as no one has the sleeves yet!
So far my HD2 is with me the HD7 is at home - not sure yet if I can rely on it 24/7 as my primary phone.
I would not go as far as to say it is poor - WP7 that is - but I am for one not impressed considering that people must have tried at least once to BT each other something?
You are missing the point of this phone. While I agree on some of your good points (but few) this is supposed to be the Zune phone , the equivalent of the iPhone, basically an eye-candy multimedia-device which should also do basic comunication in a fast and easy way. I also came a long way over the years playing with Symbian & WM 5-6.5 and I loved all the tweeking and extra customization you had BUT to be honest I got bored with it.
As years passed I saw mobile phones becoming the substituent of the PC but also a substiuent of its problems.Just look at the past 2-3 years. Now we have discussions about freckin RAM and GHz when the whole point of the phone was JUST to run smooth and work fine ,not to mention the fact that battery development has been left with the same batteries from 2006 or so.
Basically it just got stucked.I was freckin tired of walking in a mobile shop and seing a bunch of touchscreen with a zillion icons as wallpaper.
Where was the excitement of actually buying a phone for having something new?
That was the main reason since I never bought a touchscreen phone and I have sticked with my (g)old E71 for the time being.
Android is IMO a laggy joke. Yes , it's still lagy and that is why I didn't buy a high-end smartphone untill now , the HD7.
I don't want to pay 400 euros for a laggy interface.
It's been 3 years already since the iPhone and it has still been the fastest OS with no lag until WP7.
Why my view may be a little off-topic I think this was the main idea of the WP7.Getting ridd of those "Really?!" moments.
I want a phone in 2010 which runs fast,smoooth and adds the basic customization(it's where WP7 currently lacks but it's not terrible).
For I-can't-find-my-sfnag.dll-complaiment people should buy/use their laptops
I hope WP7 rises as remembers this "high-end competition" what the purpose of a (multimedia) phone really is
I think yly3 has a point - one of the main features of WM7 (for better or worse) was the increased reliance on cloud storage. Maybe this was why most of the phones we're seeing are only 8Gb.
I think anyone coming from WM6.5 expecting WP7 to be an incremental upgrade, including existing functionality is likely to be disappointed.
What I foresee is mainly 3rd party apps making use of an opened up Bluetooth stack to gain access to your skydrive as if it were local storage. Similarly, having the option to save email attachments to your skydrive would be neat (I believe .docs can be saved)
For me, this is either genius, or a disaster - if you're away from a signal, your files are inaccessible, which is frustrating. That said, I'm rarely away from a signal these days, so maybe it's a non-issue.
Time will tell.
I have been using my HD7 for 2 weeks now, I love it and hate it at the same time. I love it for its smooth, flawless and simple user interface, but hate cause its just too simple... I know and expected that this was a locked up phone before I bought it but.. even some basic functions that I was used to doing on my HD2 was missing. Functions like sending files thru BT from my phone to any BT device. Even some basic configuration like adjusting the volume of the ringer is not clear on configuration page. its just a toggle on/off and not to mention that i can't use custom ringtones? I loved using custom mp3 for ringtones.. cause in a crowded place.. I would now that my phone was the one ringing. And just like steve said...the phone didn't come with a nice leather pouch to keep it safe, for a pricy phone like this. I just wish they would improve wp7 much sooner so I could enjoy using this phone more and get my money's worth.
The first update is due early 2011, so don't get your hopes up for ANY updates untill then. Rumours are that Copy/paste, BT, & Camera are all big factors in the first update.
I can't really complain after a solid 3 weeks of owning the phone. Yes there are a few niggles, but it's MUCH better than Iphones OS v1 was. So looking good imo.
Also all the comments i've seen on this thread appear to be on WP7, not the HD7 itself. Slightly confusing by the Thread title.
well thats good news i don't mind the wait.. but i hope they do fix it with the update... but those are for WP7. the comment i have for the device itself (with HTC HD7) is that it didnt came with a pouch like my HD2, as all new phones ...it will take time here before i could buy a protective sleeve or rubber whatever. i just hope i don't drop or scratch it with my coins and keys in my pocket. also the camera button is hard to press... wish there was configuration where i could use the touch sensitive keys to take a picture. and speaking of wich.. the search key (bing key) really bugs me. i kept miss touching it for no reason.. and bing keeps getting in my way even when i'm playing games
clarkdevlin said:
the comment i have for the device itself (with HTC HD7) is that it didnt came with a pouch like my HD2, as all new phones ...
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I've always been of the opinion that if a phone needs a case, it's a badly designed phone.
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the search key (bing key) really bugs me. i kept miss touching it for no reason.. and bing keeps getting in my way even when i'm playing games
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My first purchase was Need for Speed, and the number of times I've been about to complete a circut, only to nudge the 'serach' button, which kicks me out of the race and I need to start again, is a real pain in the 'a**'.
It would be great if this button could be disabled while gaming, it's just too sensative and close to where you need to hold the phone....
Don't get me wrong @poopilot I do like the phone but the omission of a simple sleeve for the phone smacks of cheapness. And anything with a screen this large needs some protection in a pocket or on the desk, all to easy to scratch.
And yes the thread title @Audio could be more specific - but these are my view of WP7 on an HD7 - so it is pretty on topic for HD7 General. The comments would be the same for WP7 for all devices as they are all the same. I am just saying that it is a shame for something so late in the game that all the i & t's were not dotted and crossed before we got our hands on it.
And to @yly3 - your analagy is flawed. If Windows 7 is the succesor to Vista in the way WM7 is to 6.5 - how would you feel if Windows 7 had no control panel, you could not save locally and the only network you could use was Microsofts? I am pretty darn sure you'ld feel agrived. But say if I don't want to share pictures on skydrive - I want to BT or MMS or Twitter or Facebook I want to choose - I don't want to be limited to a single option.
If you play with a Desire you get loads of options for most things - hell I cannot even change the MMS picture size! LOL! Bring on regedit that's all I can say! I must be crazy but you cannot see MS's usability labs having an iphone 1 and thinking "this is all people need, they wont cut and paste or want to do anything other than gaze at the UI"! If you are going to call a phone a smartphone it does in fact need to be smart. Not average.
I see what you mean but again this was named Windows Phone 7 , not Windows Mobile 7 and Microsoft stated many times it's something new , build completely from zero.
The main problem of WP7 would be, as you pointed, the lack of choice. Honestly, I don't know how many really use copy-paste. I don't know if I barely used it 4-5 times the last couple of years but that's just me not the whole world. And I am very surprised people still use MMS.
This is also a strategy to have your product upgraded and keep interest in it just like Apple has done it in the last years.
Maybe I am over-excited for finally having something new and fresh offered and according to the constant praise and support of Steve Ballmer this platform will get more updates than we have seen on any other mobile OS so far (it is Microsoft after all) thus having the first update 2 months after the release date.
So, basically I won't go further and maybe I don't have a strong argument against what you said but what I tend to see in nowadays reviews is that most of the people don't seem to get the whole picture and analyze a new phone only by checking their personal list of must-have features (again , agreeing that most of them really are a must).
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Don't get me wrong @poopilot I do like the phone but the omission of a simple sleeve for the phone smacks of cheapness. And anything with a screen this large needs some protection in a pocket or on the desk, all to easy to scratch.
And yes the thread title @Audio could be more specific - but these are my view of WP7 on an HD7 - so it is pretty on topic for HD7 General. The comments would be the same for WP7 for all devices as they are all the same. I am just saying that it is a shame for something so late in the game that all the i & t's were not dotted and crossed before we got our hands on it.
And to @yly3 - your analagy is flawed. If Windows 7 is the succesor to Vista in the way WM7 is to 6.5 - how would you feel if Windows 7 had no control panel, you could not save locally and the only network you could use was Microsofts? I am pretty darn sure you'ld feel agrived. But say if I don't want to share pictures on skydrive - I want to BT or MMS or Twitter or Facebook I want to choose - I don't want to be limited to a single option.
If you play with a Desire you get loads of options for most things - hell I cannot even change the MMS picture size! LOL! Bring on regedit that's all I can say! I must be crazy but you cannot see MS's usability labs having an iphone 1 and thinking "this is all people need, they wont cut and paste or want to do anything other than gaze at the UI"! If you are going to call a phone a smartphone it does in fact need to be smart. Not average.
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There are definitely things that are missing, no question, but I think they've got it right for a first release. If they waited to get everything done then we'd never see the OS. It's completely different to Android, and indeed WM6.5 I'm pretty sure I'm right in saying that WM6.5 will be continued alongside WP7. I like the fact that it's all simple to use (and I'm a tech head). Sure it can occasionally be irritating where I want to get into the bluetooth settings for example to configure it more closely, but ultimately I can completely understand why they've done it. All you have to do is go in and turn it on, then choose a device to pair with. It involves very few steps which was exactly the spec for this OS.
I'm sure that in time there will be options to configure things more closely, but they will be hidden away so that you have to consciously choose to go into the advanced settings. Android was real fun for a while, something different, but I actually think that it's far too techy. After a while I got bored of everything being a bit clunky and hidden behind too many menus etc... To use everyday, it's just not that usable, not when you compare it to something like WP7.
I'm really looking forward to writing some apps for WP7 as I think it provides a different challenge - to make your app consistent with the UI and make it as user-friendly as possible. I think the possibilities are massive with WP7, and as long as MS really commits to it, rolls out regular updates to keep on improving the UI - crucially without breaking what it already does - then it could be a huge hit.
Steve_Walker totally agreed with you. WM6.5 has something different but with looking at WP7 ???
I am asking myself why should i get a wp7 phone instead of iphone? And the only reason i can find is 4.3" display .
Microsoft really needs to think clearly and understand they must make something different not a ios kind os.
MS will going to loose much
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Steve_Walker totally agreed with you. WM6.5 has something different but with looking at WP7 ???
I am asking myself why should i get a wp7 phone instead of iphone? And the only reason i can find is 4.3" display .
Microsoft really needs to think clearly and understand they must make something different not a ios kind os.
MS will going to loose much
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1) The media player is alot better.
2) Zune Pass.
3) WP7 is alot faster than any iPhone. My entire family has 3GSs and iPhone 4s and they will even admit my phone is alot faster to do anything. I havent even turned my lag fixed Vibrant on this I got this HD7 also.
4) App intergeneration. WP7 really does take this to a different level.
You'd be a fool to say WP7 doesnt have its flaws and bugs, but you'd also be a fool to ignore everything GREAT it does. Android does alot of things well but is anything great? iOS does some great things, but honestly I prefer WP7 over iOS.
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1) The media player is alot better.
2) Zune Pass.
3) WP7 is alot faster than any iPhone. My entire family has 3GSs and iPhone 4s and they will even admit my phone is alot faster to do anything. I havent even turned my lag fixed Vibrant on this I got this HD7 also.
4) App intergeneration. WP7 really does take this to a different level.
You'd be a fool to say WP7 doesnt have its flaws and bugs, but you'd also be a fool to ignore everything GREAT it does. Android does alot of things well but is anything great? iOS does some great things, but honestly I prefer WP7 over iOS.
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1) OK
2) I dont care about zune pass
3) That is about hardware not wp7
4) So what? How many wp7 apps out there?
Sorry but as we see you have strong feelings on wp7 and want to defend it too much but even you cant write more then 4 not meaning too much advantages. Because even MS designed it to be a is imitation.
I had hope on wp7 was thinking to sell my hd2 and buy a hd7 because ios and iphone is not a phone for me (dont like them), Android is just what you said does alot of thing but not anything great. But WP7 is worse then both at least for now. Because MS just looked ios and android and copy them with removing all the good features on wm6.5 all the good features i prefer a wm6.5 phone over iphone that is nonsense. most of the users may not care about this but i care.
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3) That is about hardware not wp7
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iPhone 4 has better hardware! A4 is better than Snapdragon, and iPhone 4 has dedicated GPU - PowerVGR 535! which is faster than Adreno!
iPhone 3Gs also has dedicated PowerVGR GPU, but don't which model exactly!
So, it's not hadware! it's the OS
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iPhone 4 has better hardware! A4 is better than Snapdragon, and iPhone 4 has dedicated GPU - PowerVGR 535! which is faster than Adreno!
iPhone 3Gs also has dedicated PowerVGR GPU, but don't which model exactly!
So, it's not hadware! it's the OS
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i am not comparing iphone vs hd7 hardware. i am saying that with suitable hardware every os can be fast.
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1) OK
2) I dont care about zune pass
3) That is about hardware not wp7
4) So what? How many wp7 apps out there?
Sorry but as we see you have strong feelings on wp7 and want to defend it too much but even you cant write more then 4 not meaning too much advantages. Because even MS designed it to be a is imitation.
I had hope on wp7 was thinking to sell my hd2 and buy a hd7 because ios and iphone is not a phone for me (dont like them), Android is just what you said does alot of thing but not anything great. But WP7 is worse then both at least for now. Because MS just looked ios and android and copy them with removing all the good features on wm6.5 all the good features i prefer a wm6.5 phone over iphone that is nonsense. most of the users may not care about this but i care.
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You might not care about Zune Pass but for anyone who wanted an mp3 player / phone this is the biggest selling factor. In fact I'd say zune integration is the best thing WP7 has going for it right now.
I am not really defending it that much also. Look my profile and see the last thread I made. I clearly pointed several huge glaring flaws in WP7. In that same thread I said more than 4 good things about it also. Before calling someone out, look at their previous posts; especially when trying to call out their position on things .
Here is a link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=835095
WP7 is missing features 6.5 had but that was a matured and dying (dead now) OS, this is a completely new start. I am not over critical of it becasue i knew going in it was a first iteration OS. And for a first iteration OS it is far better than what iOS and android were. It actually does some things far better than them right now too. It has flaws, but ignoring strength and focusing only on flaws is wrong in my opinion.
I am also confused about your position on the speed of WP7. First you say its the hardware, which android and the iphone 4 have better hardware, and then you say its the OS and that backs up the statement i originally made. The OS is optimized to be faster than both iOS and android. That is a HUGE plus for WP7. It's doing more with less, don't over look that.
Again let me repeat my statement, it does have limitations but everything it does, it does the best. More features will be added with updates.
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i am not comparing iphone vs hd7 hardware. i am saying that with suitable hardware every os can be fast.
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About speed i am saying that every os can be very fast with suitable hardware. Think like this a wp7 phone with nokia n61 hardware can it be fast ofcourse no. is this wp7s fault ofcourse not so as you cant blame an os for not suitable hardware also you cant say os is good because it runs good on suitable hardware.
also i agree with you about wp7 being a new os and 6.5 is dying but why not use 6.5s good features on a new starting os from the beginning. They are the things which you did better then ios and android so ms should glorify them with using them in the new os.
this is my idea ofcourse i dont except everyone or even anyone to agree with me. wm6.5 with htc sense and cht nearly got all i need. some more social network integration with a really working pptp vpn is all i need with my current setup.
kromosto said:
About speed i am saying that every os can be very fast with suitable hardware. Think like this a wp7 phone with nokia n61 hardware can it be fast ofcourse no. is this wp7s fault ofcourse not so as you cant blame an os for not suitable hardware also you cant say os is good because it runs good on suitable hardware.
also i agree with you about wp7 being a new os and 6.5 is dying but why not use 6.5s good features on a new starting os from the beginning. They are the things which you did better then ios and android so ms should glorify them with using them in the new os.
this is my idea ofcourse i dont except everyone or even anyone to agree with me. wm6.5 with htc sense and cht nearly got all i need. some more social network integration with a really working pptp vpn is all i need with my current setup.
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Because 6.5 and 7 are built on completely different platforms. You can not just pull features from 6.5 and put them in 7 because the programming language is different.
6.5 was good for its time, but do you know the main reason why I hear why people do not want to buy WP7 phones? All the headaches they got from 6.5 devices...
WM left a bad taste in ALOT of peoples mouths and that is still showing in WP7. Yes 6.5 might of been good for some but for most it was complete and utter crap.
Will alot of these features eventually be built into WP7 if enough people want them? I think so, but they will be built and coded to meet WP7's standards.