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where's is my great tablet?

Everyone is writing that the Nook Color is supposed to be a great tablet.
I somehow haven't started to enjoy it at all. I'm having massive problems with the touchscreen, when it's cold outside I can not use it inside for a while - till it warmes up again - the touchscreen gets unresponsive and random taps.
I also get random taps sometimes and the tab becomes completely unusable.
I can't find any slick ipad-style apps. And generally can't find a lot great apps, no xfire client (xfmobile doesnt work), no internet radio etc...
There's no real good Os, cm7 has no videos, honeycomb is too laggy, I haven't tried Froyo really...
I want to enjoy my Nook Color, but somehow I can't really - especially because of the touchscreen, it's ruining the whole joy.
I initially wanted to buy a cover for my "iphone cover" for my ipod and then tether the connection to the nook, but im quite unsure, because the thing isn't working well.
I'm actually thinking about selling the device again on ebay and getting a galaxy tab or a dell streak.

A lot of the issues you're describing, touchscreen aside, aren't realty problems with the device, but moreover the fact that Google only really released tablet intended apps 2 weeks ago. The apps you're saying you're not liking or waiting for are designed for Honeycomb, not froyo/eclair which is what NookColor base is composed of.
Just give it time man, the awesome will come
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Anyone who is telling you it's a great tablet is exaggerating... It's always going to be an eBook reader first. With this community it can become more but it is sold solely as an eBook reader.

I've got no problem with it being a ereader primarily, i was actually looking for an ereader when I found the Nook Color. But if the touchscreen is so bad sometimes that I can't even flip the page, or it starts zooming in and out randomly, my reading experience is also not so splendid anymore.
I'm going to try one last thing - going back to stock 1.1 and then I'll give Froyo a try.

huh
Sounds like you're in need of a hug.
Who cares if you sell it on ebay and buy a tab? Do it and enjoy, don't whine here about it.

I haven't tried it yet, but by most accounts, you have skipped the best os. Nookie Froyo is supposed to be the most useful and stable os available (completely stock is more stable though). I don't think anyone said it would be as good as an iPad. They just said it was much better than the budget android tablets and a great value for it's low price.

Sounds like 1 of these 3.
1. You're doing it wrong.
2. User error.
3. Hardware issues.

{Diemex} said:
...I can't find any slick ipad-style apps. And generally can't find a lot great apps, no xfire client (xfmobile doesnt work), no internet radio etc...
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Strange,
I thought Pandora actually qualifies as an Internet radio .
Anyway, are you saying that even with rooted Nook and Android Marketplace you can not install any of the internet radio apps? For example, highly popular TuneIn Radio? I haven't yet rooted my Nook but TuneIn Radio was one of the main reasons I was looking forward to doing it. I am not a big fan of Tablet-based games and I prefer to watch movies on my big screen TV, but music, radio, unlimited Web Browsing (hello, Apple ;-) and photo-frame app were my biggest drivers in getting Nook Color over the first-edition Nook.

As for the actual issue... keep the screen clean and put a film kit on it. If you still have glitches, go get it exchanged. If you bought a car and it only ran on 3 cylinders you'd get it exchanged for free, right?

acomiskey said:
Sounds like 1 of these 3.
1. You're doing it wrong.
2. User error.
3. Hardware issues.
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I vote both 1 and 2

{Diemex} said:
Everyone is writing that the Nook Color is supposed to be a great tablet.
I somehow haven't started to enjoy it at all. I'm having massive problems with the touchscreen, when it's cold outside I can not use it inside for a while - till it warmes up again - the touchscreen gets unresponsive and random taps.
I also get random taps sometimes and the tab becomes completely unusable.
I can't find any slick ipad-style apps. And generally can't find a lot great apps, no xfire client (xfmobile doesnt work), no internet radio etc...
There's no real good Os, cm7 has no videos, honeycomb is too laggy, I haven't tried Froyo really...
I want to enjoy my Nook Color, but somehow I can't really - especially because of the touchscreen, it's ruining the whole joy.
I initially wanted to buy a cover for my "iphone cover" for my ipod and then tether the connection to the nook, but im quite unsure, because the thing isn't working well.
I'm actually thinking about selling the device again on ebay and getting a galaxy tab or a dell streak.
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A little bit of research could have prevented your disappointment.
Before buying something, do a Google search on it and see the good and bad points of whatever item you are looking to buy.
Unfortunately, the bad decision was all yours.

devis said:
I vote both 1 and 2
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Me too. It's not perfect but works very well for me.

ebaychuck said:
Anyone who is telling you it's a great tablet is exaggerating... It's always going to be an eBook reader first. With this community it can become more but it is sold solely as an eBook reader.
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Its sold more like a tablet limited to be being an ereader for the time being by B&N, as they have a update promised to bring a market and apps with it.
As was said earlier, this is more a problem with android ifself or the apps not being designed to handle the screen or hardware and issuses this brings (like scale problems or angry birds not showing up for awhile b/c we dont have a cell modem).
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I'm in Germany, otherwise I would have got it exchanged long ago already.
What's is that film kit for the Screen - I was loooking for something to put on the screen but I couldn't find anything.

{Diemex} said:
I've got no problem with it being a ereader primarily, i was actually looking for an ereader when I found the Nook Color. But if the touchscreen is so bad sometimes that I can't even flip the page, or it starts zooming in and out randomly, my reading experience is also not so splendid anymore.
I'm going to try one last thing - going back to stock 1.1 and then I'll give Froyo a try.
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Try warming up your fingers and using the screen when it is cold. It is more likely that your fingers are less conductive than the screen is not working.
(Im serious btw, I have the same problem)

The touch screen does'nt like moisture or wet hand. If you go from cold to warm place, you'll get a lot of moisture on the device

combustiblemonkey said:
Try warming up your fingers and using the screen when it is cold. It is more likely that your fingers are less conductive than the screen is not working.
(Im serious btw, I have the same problem)
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I haven't thought of that, my hands are generally cold, when i was outside then they are nearly dead cold - my ipodTouch works perfectly no matter in what condition my hands are, but that's also a different quality.
Is there any way to get a similar film/coating that is supposed to be on the touchscreen of apple devices onto the nook?

Could you tell exactly how cold it was when you're experienced touchscreen problems? Today I used Nook when temperature was around 0 degrees Celsius and the only problem I had was that screen surface isn't slippery enough, so it was hard to play Glow Hockey.

Has anyone really called a Nook Color a "Great Tablet?"
I have mostly seen "best tablet under $300," which it is. I am loving mine, if only because after years of having an iPhone getting to switch Safari for Firefox is a godsend...

i have no problem running the slacker radio app. so no problems with internet radio.

[Q] Potential buyer... looking for feedback

So my original nook has sadly died and it is out of warrantee. So now the question is go with the old school nook or with the nook color.
I love the look of the new device but the battery life leaves a lot to be desired. I have an epic 4g and the Xoom already so I know just how the peeps here at xda do with improving such things. What are the general opinions on how that is going for everyone? Is it worth buying with the xda enhancements or should I stick with what i had?

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So my original nook has sadly died and it is out of warrantee. So now the question is go with the old school nook or with the nook color.
I love the look of the new device but the battery life leaves a lot to be desired. I have an epic 4g and the Xoom already so I know just how the peeps here at xda do with improving such things. What are the general opinions on how that is going for everyone? Is it worth buying with the xda enhancements or should I stick with what i had?
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If you have a xoom already then I would not buy the nook color. I mean, you already have a pretty bad ass tablet, so there really would be no point in rooting it; unless you want two tablets. If your just going to use it as a ereader, then the nook 1 would be a good enough. Hell even the kindle looks cool with its electronic ink, and they just dropped the price on em.

This is just my opinion, but if you already have a xoom then I'd assume you're using your Nook for reading books. Seems the Nook Color and the Xoom can function basically the same -- so one option is to load Nook and Kindle apps on the Xoom and be set. No idea how the Xoom does 'reading' in the sun... so if you really want a dedicated reader, I'd almost vote for going with the original - can be found refurbished for about $100.
That said, the Nook Color does everything I'd want and more. I can read in the sunlight at the kids ball games, I can run CM7 on the SD card and do anything android does... A few minutes ago my daughter and I got a N64 emulator running and played mario kart just for kicks.

Thanks for the input all, I'll stick with the B&W. I gotta say the battery life on the Xoom is amazing. I was running heavy for three days before I even realized it does not charge off of the USB but rather off of a dedicated wall charger. Guess instruction manuals do serve a purpose sometimes.

It's already been pretty much said, but if you got a xoom, pretty much no point. That said, I would vote for the kindle, as much as I like my nook color... I do find the kindle excellent for reading during the day, and it's definitely a lot nicer than lcds are to the eyes.
That said, I've never played with an original nook so I don't know how they compare.

Gin1212, magoo's going with the original monochrome Nook -- it has the same easy reading screen as the Kindle, but none of the Kindle's stupid downsides, like not being able to borrow a library book or use other ePub content.
But what I'm thinking is that if magoo can afford a Xoom then he or she just might want to get a Nook Color instead of a Nook -- the extra $100 might be worth it for occasionally reading color magazines or using tablet features when he or she's not carrying around the big Xoom.

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But what I'm thinking is that if magoo can afford a Xoom then he or she just might want to get a Nook Color instead of a Nook -- the extra $100 might be worth it for occasionally reading color magazines or using tablet features when he or she's not carrying around the big Xoom.
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I have both the nook color and the original e-ink and wouldn't want to give up either. For reading the e-ink wins hands down for me. Reading on the color is very unenjoyable for me. If I read on my notebook or color before trying to go to sleep at night (the time when I do most of my reading) I toss and turn for over half an hour before finally falling asleep. Reading a real book or the e-ink nook I doze right off almost as soon as my head hits the pillow.
The color is a great device and an incredible budget tablet that's almost completely replaced my notebook as a living room computer. But for me it's no replacement for the e-ink classic nook as a reading device.
As for the magazines I've subscribed to two (Rolling Stone and Food Network) But will probably be dropping them both soon as I find the experience of reading them on the color to be very disappointing. The max zoom leaves you with images smaller than if you had actually bought the paper magazine, and I have to keep zooming in to read (or switch to article mode which defeats the whole point of having a color magazine since it strips it down to just text which I'd rather read on my e-ink nook.) then once zoomed in panning around to follow articles I often end up accidentally going back or forward a page...which means having to re-zoom. I spend more time fussing with the display than actually reading and for me that's no fun.
The kids books are nice...but the B&N offerings are overpriced and under featured compared to the kids books available in the standard android market. My daughter is just barely 11 months old but she's already having a lot of fun "reading" the kids books I've bought and loves exploring the page finding different things she can touch to get a response.
I know other people don't mind reading on an LCD device, but for me it's a deal killer as a reading device. I spend all day staring at a LCD so when I get home and relax the last thing I want to do is stare at another.
If I could afford a xoom I'd probably go that route instead of the nook color, I could live without the magazines and as I already mentioned I find the kids books in the android market to be much better than B&N's. But I'd still keep my e-ink nook for when I put the toys away and am ready for a good read at the end of the day.

jhitesma said:
...As for the magazines I've subscribed to two (Rolling Stone and Food Network) But will probably be dropping them both soon as I find the experience of reading them on the color to be very disappointing. The max zoom leaves you with images smaller than if you had actually bought the paper magazine, and I have to keep zooming in to read (or switch to article mode which defeats the whole point of having a color magazine since it strips it down to just text which I'd rather read on my e-ink nook.) then once zoomed in panning around to follow articles I often end up accidentally going back or forward a page...which means having to re-zoom. I spend more time fussing with the display than actually reading and for me that's no fun.
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My experience exactly, you really nailed it. It's funny, I bought an e-reader and I use it for everything BUT reading books and magazines. I bought a couple of issues of Consumer Reports, and I've just found it difficult to read for the reasons you listed.

To trade LCD for E-ink. Is it worth it?

Hey people. I've been thinking on the idea of trading my Nook Color for an E-ink powered e-reader for a few days now. The Nook Color still retails for $150 and mine is rooted and in great condition so should still be reasonably valuable.
I'm looking for opinions on the whole E-ink vs LCD display for reading. I have found that with my year+ with the rooted NC that the apps and games are just distractions. I have a decent Android phone if I really want that kind of stuff. All that matters to me is the reading experience. I have never personally used an E-ink reader, but the LCD does not seem to bother me that much except for the lower battery life an LCD screen device has.
Also, do you guys think trading a Nook Color for something like the Kindle Touch or Nook Simple Touch is a reasonable trade? If I'm lucky I could try for a Kindle Keyboard, or is that pushing it? I'm not looking to rip people off or to be ripped off too much. I just want an E-ink reader I think.
Lastly, if I were to find a person I wanted to trade with, does anyone know a secure way to trade items with someone on the internet? How would we both be able to mail our devices off knowing that we will get the other device? Is there a website to do such a thing?

agemyth said:
Hey people. I've been thinking on the idea of trading my Nook Color for an E-ink powered e-reader for a few days now. The Nook Color still retails for $150 and mine is rooted and in great condition so should still be reasonably valuable.
I'm looking for opinions on the whole E-ink vs LCD display for reading. I have found that with my year+ with the rooted NC that the apps and games are just distractions. I have a decent Android phone if I really want that kind of stuff. All that matters to me is the reading experience. I have never personally used an E-ink reader, but the LCD does not seem to bother me that much except for the lower battery life an LCD screen device has.
Also, do you guys think trading a Nook Color for something like the Kindle Touch or Nook Simple Touch is a reasonable trade? If I'm lucky I could try for a Kindle Keyboard, or is that pushing it? I'm not looking to rip people off or to be ripped off too much. I just want an E-ink reader I think.
Lastly, if I were to find a person I wanted to trade with, does anyone know a secure way to trade items with someone on the internet? How would we both be able to mail our devices off knowing that we will get the other device? Is there a website to do such a thing?
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I like the look of e-ink screens better than any LCD, but I really like being able to read in the dark or low light. If they can figure out how to light the letters (not the background) I'll switch, but until then I'm sticking with LCD. (BTW- I got both a NC and an NST with the ebay deal a few weeks back. Gave the NST to mom...).

agemyth said:
Hey people. I've been thinking on the idea of trading my Nook Color for an E-ink powered e-reader for a few days now. The Nook Color still retails for $150 and mine is rooted and in great condition so should still be reasonably valuable.
I'm looking for opinions on the whole E-ink vs LCD display for reading. I have found that with my year+ with the rooted NC that the apps and games are just distractions. I have a decent Android phone if I really want that kind of stuff. All that matters to me is the reading experience. I have never personally used an E-ink reader, but the LCD does not seem to bother me that much except for the lower battery life an LCD screen device has.
Also, do you guys think trading a Nook Color for something like the Kindle Touch or Nook Simple Touch is a reasonable trade? If I'm lucky I could try for a Kindle Keyboard, or is that pushing it? I'm not looking to rip people off or to be ripped off too much. I just want an E-ink reader I think.
Lastly, if I were to find a person I wanted to trade with, does anyone know a secure way to trade items with someone on the internet? How would we both be able to mail our devices off knowing that we will get the other device? Is there a website to do such a thing?
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I use Kindle e-Ink keyboard, Nook Color and TouchPad and smartphone. For me, if I am reading a book it is always the Kindle; best display for pure reading, easy page turning to avoid distractions, lightweight and superb battery life. However, only good for reading, I have used the browser in desperation for its 3G connectivity but not a pretty experience. The Nook Color remains my choice device for portable general tablet use, browsing, email and general apps. The Touchpad performs the same role but mainly around the home. Although the phone can perform similar role to Nook I don't like the limitations of the smaller screens.
Instead of swapping maybe the easiest way would be to sell your device on eBay and similarly buy the Kindle the same way. The prices seem comparable so would end up like a swap but give you extra flexibility and security.
Obviously there are dedicated swap sites like swap.com but they rely on ratings to identify trustworthy swappers and therefore are a bit limited in finding one-off swappers.

agemyth said:
I'm looking for opinions on the whole E-ink vs LCD display for reading. I have found that with my year+ with the rooted NC that the apps and games are just distractions. I have a decent Android phone if I really want that kind of stuff. All that matters to me is the reading experience. I have never personally used an E-ink reader, but the LCD does not seem to bother me that much except for the lower battery life an LCD screen device has.
I just want an E-ink reader I think.
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It also depends on how you get your books. If you have been buying from B&N, stay with B&N (epub). Same with kindle (mobi). You want to keep your library. Also you want to have a device easy to sideload your books if you have another source.
And I would for sure go for some kind of touch screen. My friend has the 2nd generation kindle that is easy on the eyes, but horrible to operate. The screen flashes when you turn pages. I know the new generations are better, but be warned. I'm kind of intrigued by the new nook touch with glow light.

Thanks for the good input guys.
The word on the internet is pretty unanimous about the e-ink and lcd debate for simply reading. E-ink is the way to go.
There is a good sale on Kindles going on just for today here:
http://1saleaday.com/flash/
If I can make a decision before they sell out I could end up with one of those. The Glow Light Nook Touch would be nice though since I would not have to feel the need to buy an expensive case with a light in it.
Is there a place on XDA to sell devices? If anyone is interested, here's my Ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120910008857&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123
Thanks again for the help guys.

Go for the Nook Simple Touch with LED back light. Nothing better right now and you should break about even cost wise. You'll get a better pure reading experience and still be able to read in low light conditions. Good luck

I've had my NC for a little over a year and a few months ago I bought a Nook Simple Touch. I found that for pure reading, I like the e-ink screen much better. Also the fact that the NST is much lighter and the battery life is super long were big pluses. I picked the NST over the Kindle and other versions because the NST can be rooted. I like having SOME of the perks of customizable launch screens (I'm using go launcher) and running some apps that I use when I travel (like Tripit, weather, etc). But I use the NST primarily for reading. I use the NC now mostly for news apps (such as Pulse), calendar management, some financial apps and the occasional game during a long flight.
But now that the NST with the glow light is available, I am salivating over that since the only downfall to my NST is that I can't read in the dark (or on a plane without disturbing everyone sitting around me on a TPAC flight).
So if reading is your number one activity, I would say e-ink is definitely worth it. But I would hang on to the NC unless you really have zero use for it.

If all you care about is the reading experience, e-ink wins hands down. My Nook Simple Touch is easy to read anywhere, goes months on a charge, and has expandable storage. Amazon Kindles don't have sd capability, which isn't a big deal on the e-ink readers (e-books are tiny) but it just annoys me enough to not want to buy from them. Maybe I'm petty.

agemyth said:
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I've had both a NOOK Color (~1.5 years) and NOOK Simple Touch (~6 months), and use them both extensively for reading. While the NST is unbeatable for battery life and direct sunlight reading, it does require lighting to read. If I were looking at an eInk device again, I'd definitely consider the new NST with GlowLight to handle low light situations. I have not found the clip-on LCD lights satisfactory at all.
Choosing between one or the other exclusively is also tough. The NC screen is gorgeous. With careful selection of settings, battery life is not bad. Unless I'm reading outdoors in direct sunlight, the display is quite readable. The screen size is also well suited to ebook reading. I don't think I'd like dumping the NC altogether.
The NST is definitely handier. I like reading on it. Just not as much as on the NC. The screen flicker of eInk is definitely a tradeoff. The smaller size is another. Just be sure you really like the eInk experience before selling your NC at a loss.
[...] Also, do you guys think trading a Nook Color for something like the Kindle Touch or Nook Simple Touch is a reasonable trade? If I'm lucky I could try for a Kindle Keyboard, or is that pushing it? I'm not looking to rip people off or to be ripped off too much. I just want an E-ink reader I think.
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As a direct 1:1 trade? It's a good deal for someone, just not you! You might be as well off just selling your NC, then picking up a NST refurb.

Disabled Relative

I have a disabled relative who was interested in purchasing an Amazon Kindle Touch for £109 which would allow them to be able to easily read with one-handed operation. But, the Nexus 7 is only slightly more expensive and also has far greater uses. How good do you think the Nexus 7 will serve as an e-Reader for someone who can only use one hand?

Honestly the ui for the kindle is much more accessible.
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Brad387 said:
How good do you think the Nexus 7 will serve as an e-Reader for someone who can only use one hand?
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I would use a phone. Phones are designed for use with only one hand. 7 inch tablets pretty much require 2.
Bring him to a shop and have him try out a couple. Galaxy Note might even be (the largest) possibility.

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I would use a phone. Phones are designed for use with only one hand. 7 inch tablets pretty much require 2.
Bring him to a shop and have him try out a couple. Galaxy Note might even be (the largest) possibility.
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I already have a Galaxy Note, but frankly think the screen is going to be too small as their eyesight isn't fantastic. A 6" Kindle Touch or a 7" Nexus 7 are the two options. The Kindle has better e-Reading capabilities undoubtedly, but the Nexus 7 will still make a good e-Reading device and also has greater capabilities. Ease of use is also important though.

In my mind they are pretty different devices, I have a Kobo Touch (Same screen as the Kindle) that I read all my books on, eInk is much nicer for reading than LCD, unless there isn't a light source.

What kind of disability? Android has numerous accessibility options.

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What kind of disability? Android has numerous accessibility options.
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Just impaired usage for left arm.

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In my mind they are pretty different devices, I have a Kobo Touch (Same screen as the Kindle) that I read all my books on, eInk is much nicer for reading than LCD, unless there isn't a light source.
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Is it? I've never thought reading on an LCD to be uncomfortable, so how much better are these eInk screens?

My wife reads about 2 books a week on her galaxy tab so i wouldnt get discourage on reading books on a lcd. Honestly go with the nexus cause for the most part you can tailor the ui to your needs.

I agree. There's also a program called Simple Gestures by Good Mood Droid which allows you to navigate through swipes and pinches, etc. And thats just one option. Nexus 7 all the way.

You really can't choose for your relative, based on what you perceive his problems to be.
Nothing is as good as having him try a couple. Either bring him to them or them to him...
Good luck with it! My current reader is a Sony EInk, which seems like it would be fine one-handed. But then I like a back-lit screen for reading in bed, so I am getting a Nexus 7.

I would suggest the Nexus 7 still and perhaps you can setup the home screen for the person with Desktop Visualizer so there are some bigger buttons and selections (ie the e-reader and play store etc etc). That way it could be easier to navigate to different apps and what not.

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I already have a Galaxy Note, but frankly think the screen is going to be too small as their eyesight isn't fantastic.
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Enabling large fonts not big enough?

If it's their arm, I think weight would be a big factor (not being able to swap arms or use both to hold), so I guess if you're getting one, could you let them trial it for a day?

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Is it? I've never thought reading on an LCD to be uncomfortable, so how much better are these eInk screens?
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The eInk screens are completely different than LCD screens you find on Android devices.
Most of them have no backlights (which can be a good or a bad thing), like old school GameBoy
But this makes them fantastic for reading outdoors if you ever expect your relative likes to read out doors.
LCD's on the other hand are often difficult to read in the bright sun (say if you went to the beach and wanted to read it).
The eInk devices also have faaaaaaaaar longer battery life. Like we're talking days and days (with like a month of standby) of battery life vs hours on a LCD tablet.
They are very different devices, one is of course designed exclusively for reading, they are meant to be more like real books, that's what the eInk screen is supposed to be like, like reading off a page.
Also without the backlight there is generally less strain on the eyes for really long reading sessions.
eInk has no color though, it's just pure black and white (old school GameBoy again)
The eInk devices are also generally lighter weight and more "toss aroundable".
It really is apples and oranges. See if you can find some YouTube vids to give you demo's of eInk screens. They're quite nice for what they're made for, but no good for anything else. Whereas the LCD screens on Android devices are of course far more versatile.
So... it really depends if you want them to be able to do more than just read. If they want to browse the web in full color, obviously the Android devices will be more suitable. The high screen res on the Nexus also makes it a bit easier on the eyes for reading on in terms of pixel strain (not LCD backlight strain).
Lastly, and this is completely dependent on the person and perhaps a weird thing to add in here at the end but since LCD's have backlights and the eInk's don't, if they read right before they go to bed, stareing into an LCD screen could affect one's quality of sleep (or ability to fall asleep immediately after reading). I know this is sometimes an issue for me and is the only reason I mention it.

More on EInk:
I can only speak for my Sony, but battery life is not that great.
It runs down in about a week, whether I am using it or not.
Normally you don't really turn it off - just the screen goes blank.
That gives you sort of an instant-on when you get back to it.
In my case though, it usually means the battery is empty when I want to use it.
EInk is for a static display - no animation of any type. Even a changing clock is a no-no. The entire screen is redrawn on any change.
I would not read mine in full sun in any case - the screen seems to fade out.
I frankly can't picture anyone reading at the beach, in the full sun...
Good device for its intended use. I like mine.

Everyone here is going to tell you to go for the Nexus 7 (which I'm buying, also) but for someone who is only able to use one hand, an e-ink device such as the Kindle or the (much better, in my opinion) Nook with GlowLight are better options. They're smaller, lighter, and much better to read on.
I own a Nook with Glowlight and the only time that you would need to use two hands for it would be when you're making selections on the screen. The person we're speaking of could, of course, set it on his lap when making these selections. Otherwise, if you're reading, it is very easy to use the physical buttons or tap the side of the touchscreen in order to change pages while holding it at the same time. Doing the same thing on the Nexus would be a little more difficult and the UI would be much more complicated for someone who uses only one hand.
Of course, the Nexus 7 is a much better device and easily does more, but if you're buying it for this person to just read on, buy an e-ink device. It feels like reading an actual book. People who read on LCD screens will say that reading on them is fine, but you really don't realize how much better it is to read on an e-ink device until you own one.
So, my recommended device is the Nook Simple Touch with Glowlight. It's better than any e-ink device at the moment and you can easily read in the dark or in low light areas. I own one, and it was worth every penny. Plus, I just think that Nook devices are altogether better than Kindle devices. They seem to be built better, plus they are more accessible with MicroSD support which allows a multitude of options when purchasing books online.
Hope I was of some help!

Advice Needed: Kindle Paperwhite or N7?

Hi all,
I am a big Android fan. I currently have a new Note 2 that I replaced my iPhone 5 and iPad mini with (had an S3 and Tab 2 before that). I bought this in the hopes of using the "phablet" as an all-in-one device instead of having both a tablet and a phone. So far its been awesome. Here is my dilemma....
I have just become an avid e-book reader. I gave up paper books when I got the iPad mini. I am finding that the Note 2 is just a little too small to read e-books on. Plus I feel kind of stupid trying to read a book on a phone.
I went out and bought a basic kindle. A button was broken out of the box, and my house doesn't have good enough lighting to see the screen well, so I exchanged it for a kindle paperwhite. I love the paperwhite, and it is insanely easy to read on, especially at night, but I am a little miffed that I spent $120 on something that does one task only, and berates me with advertisements. For $80 more I could have a N7.
That being said, I bought an N7 when it first came out, and wasn't too impressed. The device itself is awesome, but I noticed I kept going back to my laptop to get any real work done. I only used it to check emails occasionally or watch netflix in bed. It was too small to read PDFs on for class, or do any intense internet browsing/research. Essentially it was a $200 toy, so I got rid of it. I thought it was stupid to have a smartphone, tiny tablet, and macbook air. Now I am seriously considering getting rid of the paperwhite and picking up an N7 instead.
Budget is a real issue here, as I am a student. I have read on here and other forums that people felt having a note 2 and N7 was pointless as the devices are pretty redundant, and the difference in screen size is negligible. Does anyone here have both? If so, how do you feel you use the two devices? Do you regret purchasing them together?
Also, how much bigger is the N7's actual, usable screen space? With the nav buttons at the bottom and the status bar at the top, they seem to take up a pretty big chunk of an already small tablet screen.
Mainly though, how is the N7 as an e-reader? No one can seem to agree on whether or not there is an eyestrain problem with LCDs and whether they cause insomnia when compared to e-ink, so its hard to really make that determination. Is it really worth the extra $80 to get the N7 over the kindle paperwhite, or would I be wasting money as the size is essentially the same as my note 2?

I have a Kindle Keyboard I bought in mid-2011. The main things I hated about it were A) no backlit screen making reading in the dark with a little booklight a chore, 2) inability to display photos and pics in books (some drawings display, but often too small to be useful). I did like the long battery life and the anti-glare screen, but eventually I wanted something that did more. I mostly got the N7 for books and magazine reading, but being able to play games and fly my drone with it are a major bonus. I would never waste money on a dedicated reader again. I gave the Kindle to my mom since she's easily overwhelmed by anything with multiple uses.

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I have a Kindle Keyboard I bought in mid-2011. The main things I hated about it were A) no backlit screen making reading in the dark with a little booklight a chore, 2) inability to display photos and pics in books (some drawings display, but often too small to be useful). I did like the long battery life and the anti-glare screen, but eventually I wanted something that did more. I mostly got the N7 for books and magazine reading, but being able to play games and fly my drone with it are a major bonus. I would never waste money on a dedicated reader again. I gave the Kindle to my mom since she's easily overwhelmed by anything with multiple uses.
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I agree that the kindles without a built in light are very difficult to read on. The paperwhite is an entirely different beast though. My main problem with it is that I don't want ads when I paid a $120 for a product, yet Amazon has managed to really squeeze every last little inch of the screen with ads, which is extremely frustrating. I am just hesitant to drop $80 more on a device that may not be as good for reading on, and is not that much bigger than my Note 2. Do you happen to know what the usable screen size is on the N7?

I read a lot on my seven. I like it. Easy to read on... I like it although it don't mind reading on my s3,either with the aldiko app. It's a solid device, but rasping outside or stain the Beach or whatever is easiest on the reading devices.
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As far as reading goes, the usable screen of the N7 is larger than that of a page in the average paperback book. At night I like to use white text on a black screen because it is easier to read in the dark and causes less eye strain. I don't think the Kindle offers that option.

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As far as reading goes, the usable screen of the N7 is larger than that of a page in the average paperback book. At night I like to use white text on a black screen because it is easier to read in the dark and causes less eye strain. I don't think the Kindle offers that option.
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Do you think it would be redundant with a Note 2? The Kindle is technically only .5 inches bigger than the Note 2, but the square screen makes it easier to read than a 16:9 aspect ratio where you are constantly moving your eyes vertically.

Nexus 7 for sure. You have more options and more media
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androidairlinepilot said:
Do you think it would be redundant with a Note 2? The Kindle is technically only .5 inches bigger than the Note 2, but the square screen makes it easier to read than a 16:9 aspect ratio where you are constantly moving your eyes vertically.
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I don't read with the N7 horizontally, only vertically, because I wear progressive lenses and a wide screen makes me have to turn my head from side to side or my eyes will move beyond the reading portion of my glasses. The Note 2 is only 5.5", so I'm not sure why you're comparing the N7 to it. The only advantage I can see is that the Note is also a phone, but my N7 does not require a separate data plan and I can easily tether it to my S2 by turning it on as a wifi hotspot. I forgot to mention that white text on black also uses less battery on the N7.

If you're wanting something that can do more but don't wanna spend $200 for a nexus 7,get a nook color and put cm10 on it. My wife asked for a simple ereader for christmas and I instead got her a nc and put cm on it and she loves it. Granted it won't give you the same level of performance the n7 will, but it is a great ereader and has a screen designed to reduce eyestrain. Advantages of cm? Simple 1 bookstore vs all bookstores, and you can rent books through amazons library system on it and overdrive.
Hardware is a bit dated for extreme web browsing and high definition media but if you just want an ereader with a little more punch than a simple e ink one, a cm powered nook color is perfect! I got hers refurbished for $100 off overstock.com.
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Well if your leaning towards the nexus 7, and only going to do reading and simple stuff. It might be worth it look around craigslist for a eight gig model.
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If you want to read books mainly on your device, get a kindle, any kindle. Because reading on a tablet (or a pc) ruins your eyes, that is a fact.
So you need to decide your purpose about buying the device you'll buy. If it's for book then get a kindle or nook. If it's for apps and little amount of reading get Nexus.
I hope you don't ignore my warning about eyes, any screen other than e-ink ruins eyes, you'll end up with glasses before you're old.

Another option. You can pickup a refurb NookColor for $140 or less.
Its an old platform, for sure, but its still getting Dev support on XDA. I am currently running 4.1.2 on my 2yo NC. Build quality is outstanding.
This is a very versatile device. You can run dual boot from a SD card, you can Manual Nooter (run stock & android from internal ) or you can just run a custom ROM from internal. If you're lazy, you can buy an SD card already programmed for you.
And it accepts an SD card up to 32gb. Plus you have the option of OTG storage for movies.
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Dharkan said:
If you want to read books mainly on your device, get a kindle, any kindle. Because reading on a tablet (or a pc) ruins your eyes, that is a fact.
So you need to decide your purpose about buying the device you'll buy. If it's for book then get a kindle or nook. If it's for apps and little amount of reading get Nexus.
I hope you don't ignore my warning about eyes, any screen other than e-ink ruins eyes, you'll end up with glasses before you're old.
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Actually
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22762257
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I'm using my N7 to read books and it is in no way straining my eyes (I could tell if it did, my eyes are very sensitive to brightness, too much of it and they physically hurt).
Cool Reader is the program I go with in terms of reading, and I set it to a black background and light grey letters on screen.
Granted, that makes it harder to read in sunny conditions, but when I go to work it is usually still dark, so that is not really a concern for me.

Dharkan said:
If you want to read books mainly on your device, get a kindle, any kindle. Because reading on a tablet (or a pc) ruins your eyes, that is a fact.
So you need to decide your purpose about buying the device you'll buy. If it's for book then get a kindle or nook. If it's for apps and little amount of reading get Nexus.
I hope you don't ignore my warning about eyes, any screen other than e-ink ruins eyes, you'll end up with glasses before you're old.
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Really? And by what authority do you make such a statement? Are you an optometrist? Do you have some clinical studies to back up your broad statement? What a crock.
From Brian's link above:
CONCLUSIONS:
It is not the technology itself, but rather the image quality that seems crucial for reading. Compared to the visual display units used in the previous few decades, these more recent electronic displays allow for good and comfortable reading, even for extended periods of time.
© 2012 The College of Optometrists.

Yeah I never have suffered eyestrain from my phone or tablet.
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Kindle or N7? Neither
From what it sounds like, your only real beef with the Kindle is the ads. Get yourself a Nook Touch With Glowlight. 1 - no ads. 2 - it's Android based - so if you want to root it, and do some goofy stuff with it (or just clean it up to look as nice as possible using whatever reader you want - like I did) you have that option. It's also more comfortable than the Kindles, less likely to slip out of your hands (with rubberized back). I've seen a *slight* difference between the screens, as far as contrast, but either will look perfectly fine.
As far as the eye strain is concerned. To each their own, I suppose, but I've noticed when I stopped reading on my Nook, and started reading on my N7, my eye strain did increase. After my 2 hour reading sessions are over, the N7 did make my eyes feel a little bit more worn. To be fair, it could be the font size, or spacing, or any of a number of other issues, but I tried to set the N7 to have the most comfortable sizing, just like on my Nook, but I still feel like the Nook is the better way to go between the two strictly for reading. Now my N7 is delegated to gaming, watching Netflix, and helping me with writing ideas on the go (was doing that with my phone, but the N7 is easier to mess with in that regard).
All that said, I *LOVE* my N7, and am always finding new fun uses for it, and will continue to enjoy it until it stops getting updates from Google (prime reason I GOT the Nexus instead of another tablet), nor would I ever give up my Nook, unless it's to get a better e-ink reader.
There's one other PHENOMENAL reason to have an e-ink reader... my Nook 7 has about an 8 hour battery - ish... my Nook - I only have to charge it every few weeks, and even then, it's just because I don't like fully discharging Lithium Ion batteries... I do believe the eink displays are fully capable of 2 month battery life.

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I agree that the kindles without a built in light are very difficult to read on. The paperwhite is an entirely different beast though. My main problem with it is that I don't want ads when I paid a $120 for a product, yet Amazon has managed to really squeeze every last little inch of the screen with ads, which is extremely frustrating. I am just hesitant to drop $80 more on a device that may not be as good for reading on, and is not that much bigger than my Note 2. Do you happen to know what the usable screen size is on the N7?
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I got both the paper white and Nexus 7. I prefer reading on paperwhite.
As for the add you can pay $20 the difference between the add free and add paperwhite to get ride of ads
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I've read lots of books on the Kindle Paperwhite, the Nexus 7 and the LG Nitro HD. All have strengths and weaknesses depending on the reading conditions.
The Kindle Paperwhite is outstanding in the daytime both outside and inside. It can be jailbroken and alternate fonts can be added. I like Chinacat and Koorkin Pro fonts (and yes, I purchased a license to the latter). They both have a smooth line texture. I don't like the LED color. It is too blue. Amazon should use warmer color LEDs which cost only a few more pennies. Additionally, the lux distribution is not uniform like a backlit LCD. Hopefully Amazon will obtain newer better light pipe/films on future models.
The Nexus 7 is good at night with white or gray characters on a black background. I don't really like the black letters or the sepia setting. The letters don't seem very sharp... Lots of jaggies... However, for browsing online articles it is great.
The LG Nitro HD is superb indoors in low light or at night. The color scheme is precise and accurate. The fonts are pristine - maybe the 326ppi is the reason. I wish LG would release a 7 inch tablet with a similar quality IPS display. I don't care about looking geeky. I wish I was ignorant so that I could experience sustained bliss.
I must be getting old because I'm about to say - I've been reading on computer monitors for 30 years without any eye strain or vision deterioration. My vision is 20/15 in both eyes. All of these devices are excellent. I read with all of them.
In other words, you can't go wrong with any of these devices...

Tl;dr - N7 is a good buy if you want to do more than read books. If you want to continue using your note 2 for that, just use the paperwhite. ALSO. Make sure you go and play around with the N7 in store for a while before deciding. That might change your mind.
Oh snap. I was about to post this exact topic 2 days ago. I caved and ended up getting a n7 last night. It's just better in my opinion and a few reasons I decided on it. I am an avid reader. I tend to read light novels, manga, novels, textbooks etc. I was all for the paperwhite, but it doesn't seem to handle pdfs all that well and it also can't run the kindle edition of one of my books which is a print replica. So that pretty much threw me towards the n7. The eink display and battery life was really what had me going for the paperwhite, but I charge my devices once a day anyway and if it can last me the day then it's fine. The main purpose of the n7 I bought for myself is to read textbooks in class as well as using it at home instead of my phone. Even though I have a galaxy note, the difference in the screen size is very noticeable. I would recommend the eink reader if you really want something that lasts for 80 hours, want a screen that can be read in any lighting, and do not want to do anything besides reading.
Budget is a real issue here, as I am a student. I have read on here and other forums that people felt having a note 2 and N7 was pointless as the devices are pretty redundant, and the difference in screen size is negligible. Does anyone here have both? If so, how do you feel you use the two devices? Do you regret purchasing them together?
Also, how much bigger is the N7's actual, usable screen space? With the nav buttons at the bottom and the status bar at the top, they seem to take up a pretty big chunk of an already small tablet screen.
Mainly though, how is the N7 as an e-reader? No one can seem to agree on whether or not there is an eyestrain problem with LCDs and whether they cause insomnia when compared to e-ink, so its hard to really make that determination. Is it really worth the extra $80 to get the N7 over the kindle paperwhite, or would I be wasting money as the size is essentially the same as my note 2?
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I'm also a student and bought the N7 over the paperwhite. The screen size difference is definitely NOT NEGLIGIBLE. Whoever told you that probably has not used both of them side by side. Although I feel I might switch out my galaxy note for a s3, but I might already be used to the size of the phone to downgrade the screen size. I do not regret purchasing and owning both.
I think someone said it's like 60% bigger or something like that (off the top of my head what I remember seeing in another thread). Also, if you use expanded desktop mode, you can get "hide" the nav buttons and if you're using paranoidandroid, you can use PIE which should help. I already said I use the N7 primarily as a e-reader. I use mantano reader and feedly most of the time and to reduce eye strain, I use lux auto brightness (you can also use screen filter). If you think that computer screens give you eye strain, you probably don't use f.lux on your computer. I wish there was a android version of it, but Lux auto brightness is the closest thing. Also, from the pricing that I saw, they came out to be equal so I went with the n7 (paperwhite 3g + no ads vs n7 16gb).