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Symbian on Rhodium

So we've seen the projects to create a ROM for Android on the Rhodium... Well now that the Symbian Foundation has released their open source code I think our handy dandy developers have an even greater challenge on their hands!
Who else is interested?
For those of you interested I've included information on the source code from Symbian.org:
developer. symbian. org/wiki/index.php?title= Categorylatform_Opening&action=edit
Hey fellow XDA-ers. I thank you for your thoughts thus far. Android is only a part of the next wave in Mobile Computing. Honestly I've found the MyTouch I owned from T-Mo too be toooooo slow and toooooo consumerish. I like a phone that has both lifestyle and professional all in its mix. This makes me a big fan of WinMo and Symbian. Seeing that Windows Mobile and Symbians *NEW* operating system both run C++ and .NET it may be much easier, practical and cooler than we think.

Yea...
Theoretically it should be a pretty fast and stable alternative. It would be dope, but there wouldhave to be some major UI changes for me to try it out....but maybe I'm unsure on how far Symbian has come...

I personally don't see the need for another proprietary operating system with its origins 20+ years old, windows mobile is enough of that for me.
Android was developed from the ground up with modern mobile devices in mind and in my opinion anyways is the most promising mobile os on the market right now.

Gootah said:
Theoretically it should be a pretty fast and stable alternative. It would be dope, but there wouldhave to be some major UI changes for me to try it out....but maybe I'm unsure on how far Symbian has come...
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UI changes in Symbian??? Sense/TF3D makes Symbian look like a Palm M500 I'd rather any developers with free time spend it on Android.

totalperception said:
So we've seen the projects to create a ROM for Android on the Rhodium... Well now that the Symbian Foundation has released their open source code I think our handy dandy developers have an even greater challenge on their hands!
Who else is interested?
For those of you interested I've included information on the source code from Symbian.org:
developer. symbian. org/wiki/index.php?title= Categorylatform_Opening&action=edit
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No need for that man. Even though Symbian has the highest exposure worldwide Android is the next wave, plus Nokia has Maemo to push as it is. Dual OS is more than enough for HTC user, such as myself. Just imagine triple boot Gen.Y where are you? LOL

just buy yourself a damn nokia ...

Android is crap i had a few device, and simbian is just fallin in darkness...

why would you want symbian? i could see android and iphone os for the apps and winmo for the customization and community support, even palm and webos... for reasons. but symbian isnt pretty, or userfriendly, customizable, or have alot of apps. its a slightly uglier version of blackberrys os. besides does it even support wvga resolutions? i think the only other os to do that is android.

... what a weird discussion, I do understand to have Symbian a lot more than Android here are my point against android:
- everybody says it is open source, the core is but nothing else that is why there are so few aternative ROMS
- No real GPS software, dont even star to compare with solutions available on Symbian or WM
- No tethering without hack!!!!! I am dreaming here, I was about to by the Moto-Droid, when I saw that I went back to my good TP2
- Google is as close as Apple when it come to app available on its store.
a nice GUI is NOT all, and software and functions make the difference, people can complain as much as they want about the "old" WM is it so far the OS which give the more flexibility and Symbian cones just behind, use a N97 and you'll see how smooth it is.
Now this will probably lead to a troll discussion but for me trying to adapt Android to some other device or symbian is perfect for fan who want to play but not for "production" phone, and for that I clearly keep WM so far. waiting for WM7
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OP: Have you ever even used Symbian? I have, and I have to say it's the most god awful mobile OS I've ever used. I returned the Nokia I bought within a week because Symbian was truly terrible. I can't honestly imagine why anyone would want to run Symbian, by choice, when you have other options like Android, Maemo/Mer, Windows Mobile, or anything other than Symbian. I wouldn't ever want the capable developers who could port Symbian actually waste their time on such a terrible OS. Porting Symbian to the Pro2 would be a downgrade; it would be like trading in a premium, business class smartphone for a $10 feature phone. IMO, not worth it. [/my 2 cents]

CarpeNoctem said:
... what a weird discussion, I do understand to have Symbian a lot more than Android here are my point against android:
- everybody says it is open source, the core is but nothing else that is why there are so few aternative ROMS
- No real GPS software, dont even star to compare with solutions available on Symbian or WM
- No tethering without hack!!!!! I am dreaming here, I was about to by the Moto-Droid, when I saw that I went back to my good TP2
- Google is as close as Apple when it come to app available on its store.
a nice GUI is NOT all, and software and functions make the difference, people can complain as much as they want about the "old" WM is it so far the OS which give the more flexibility and Symbian cones just behind, use a N97 and you'll see how smooth it is.
Now this will probably lead to a troll discussion but for me trying to adapt Android to some other device or symbian is perfect for fan who want to play but not for "production" phone, and for that I clearly keep WM so far. waiting for WM7
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i've used the N97 before. in fact, I came to the TP2 from an N97. symbian is, IMO, one of the most brilliantly designed mobile OSes in existence but it's implementation on the N97 was flawed, to put it mildly. don't get me wrong--I love Symbian and the N97 but there was too much wrong for me to overlook. For one, the v. 12 firmware(and, to a lesser extent, the v. 20 firmware) was too buggy for me and the N97 was all but smooth even with theme effects turned off. This may have been remedied with more RAM and a MUCH faster CPU(OMAP 3, anyone?). For what was to be a flagship the N97 was a great disappointment.
As for Symbian on the TP2, I would wait until later in the year to see what Symbian^3 has to offer before considering porting it.
Just my $.02...

@jaekidd1012
You get the point and understand.
I think most of the people are thinking of the old S40 OS which was garbage. But S60v5 which will now become the revamped Symbian^3, ^4 and ^5 will be an amazing piece of ROM and feature rich capabilities.
Because Symbian and WM are both written in Windows codes this should be a much easier project than Android. Android is great for those who want to use it but it's going to be overshadowed in years to come by Apple, Nokia and Windows.
(pending the Nokia v Apple litigation over Apple misusing patented Nokia technology)

i would love to see sense on wvga. i hope htc isnt giving up on that. i think android has the customization of windows mobile with the app store and prettyness of iphone os. just dont expect any other os's to run. linux has a way of working on any device.

ScooterG said:
UI changes in Symbian??? Sense/TF3D makes Symbian look like a Palm M500 I'd rather any developers with free time spend it on Android.
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Thumbs Up!

The Jack of Clubs said:
i would love to see sense on wvga. i hope htc isnt giving up on that. i think android has the customization of windows mobile with the app store and prettyness of iphone os. just dont expect any other os's to run. linux has a way of working on any device.
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That where I disagree. the Operating system is the base of a platform and so far Android is as stuck as the iPhone, WM offer a lot more "playability" let see if WM7 will be as good for that. the important part is also the software and Android/Google as iPhone/Apple want to control all of this so refuse software allowing tethering and have the right of life and death on any application. I HATE this,
I bought the phone, it is MINE, if I want to void the warranty it is my problem, if I want to install an illegal application in my country I take responsability and refuse that google or Apple guide me like if I was a kid, I mean look at that: http://www.androidguys.com/2010/01/25/nexus-censoring-swear-words/ I really can't stand that you buy a piece of equipment for so much and companies want to force you to use it there way. Plus privacy!!! GOOGLE STORES EVERYTHING YOU DO WITH YOUR (???) PHONE!!! And nobody complains, everybody loves it. a nice GUI is not enough to make a good OS, I am not even talking about the iphone and the multitasking...

totalperception said:
You get the point and understand.
I think most of the people are thinking of the old S40 OS which was garbage. But S60v5 which will now become the revamped Symbian^3, ^4 and ^5 will be an amazing piece of ROM and feature rich capabilities.
Because Symbian and WM are both written in Windows codes this should be a much easier project than Android. Android is great for those who want to use it but it's going to be overshadowed in years to come by Apple, Nokia and Windows.
(pending the Nokia v Apple litigation over Apple misusing patented Nokia technology)
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I was wondering why other posters were making it sound like this was the worst idea anyone's ever read...it didn't sound too bad to me, hah. S60v5 doesn't look as awful as the posts are making it seem.
I don't really care too much either way on this topic. If there was a working rom out there I'd flash to it just to tinker around with since I've never used symbian. That said, I'm more excited about android progress (Even more so about W7, fingers crossed that we aren't disappointed), and totally fine with wm6.5.3 for day to day use until my next device.

android lets you customize the look and feel as much if not more than windows mobile, supports multiple devices and different resolutions, and lets you install programs outside the app store. thats why i think its most like windows mobile. it has the bonus of looking good and having lots of apps like iphone os. which is all why im most excited about it. i think it still feels a little bare but its getting developed fast.

The last time i really liked Symbian, it was called EPOC on my good old Psion Series 5mx, it had great community and support, nowadays symbian is just a crippled platform that mostly Nokia uses. I think its too late for them to go open source, it should have happened years ago...
I just hope that WM7 will be as good as Win7 after the good old matured XP

DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
OP: Have you ever even used Symbian? I have, and I have to say it's the most god awful mobile OS I've ever used. I returned the Nokia I bought within a week because Symbian was truly terrible. I can't honestly imagine why anyone would want to run Symbian, by choice, when you have other options like Android, Maemo/Mer, Windows Mobile, or anything other than Symbian. I wouldn't ever want the capable developers who could port Symbian actually waste their time on such a terrible OS. Porting Symbian to the Pro2 would be a downgrade; it would be like trading in a premium, business class smartphone for a $10 feature phone. IMO, not worth it. [/my 2 cents]
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I have to agree with Dave this OS is just crap...

phr33ksho said:
I personally don't see the need for another proprietary operating system with its origins 20+ years old
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how exactly did you come up with "proprietary" idea when it was released as opensource. by the very definition it can not be proprietary.
20+ years ago? wow... you are pretty ignorant, aren't you? why don't you go read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbian_OS before you make yourself look any more foolish.

Wow, how many smartphone OS's do we need?

What ever happened to just WinMo and Blackberry and Symbian?
We now have
Windows Mobile
Windows Phone Series 7
Android
WebOS
Bada
LG are developing there own
S-Class (sort of counts?)
iPhone OS
Motorola are developing there own
Symbian s60
Maemo
Blackberry OS
I know more choice is usually a better thing, but surely there is a limit?

Agree, this is way too many! Some will not succeed or will be combined in the next few years.

Don't forget about Brew Mobile by Qualcomm

There is a big difference between Smart OS and other Regular OS`s that intended to be for feature phones , such as Brew, S40 Nokia feature phones platform .. I personally dont think its right to classify Beda OS as smart OS .. but anyway samsung is using the "Smart" word more that any other company.
Btw LG announced they are not planning to build an OS.
Its good to have variety of choices plus it bring up new stuff .. look how amazing webOS is,how stable iPhone OS is .. and hey .. seems like android is capable of putting the best of all out there ..
anyway .. in time the bad OSes will die and disappear the good ones only would make it and stay

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Beda OS as smart OS .. but anyway samsung is using the "Smart" word more that any other company.
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Have you seen the spec on the Bada OS phone? Cetainly seems like a smartphone to me!
But I agree with Brew and s40 not really counting - they're aimed at more budget phones.
Nevertheless do we need 6+ options?

samsung are making their own linux based os too
and nokia and intel are merging their linux based into 1 I read

wow you completely forgot blackberry the king of messaging i mean i know it actually sucks at web browsing but i mean when i start using my berry loads i type faster on that i can on my computer. i gotta say i do like iphone os and winmo. but i recon im gonna go android from now on i've used symbian it suck used blackberry and i hate the ui ( love the messaging and the intergration with facebook i mean us winmo guys get sent an email and have to reply to that but with blackberry the email comes thru but appears as a facebook notification in your messages if you open it it instantly opens the facebook app and takes you to that message photo or status) i like iphone just wish it was more customisable (dad has an iphone and loves everything except the fact you can't change stuff as easily such as battery light from the home screen) i'm using winmo and its bearable due to the fact that sense ui is amazing. but android is the way forward. but in response i feel we probably need about 4 each for diffrent people iphone for anyone android for anyone who hates apple (or realised its actually better than iphone) blackberry for people who need amazing messaging and winmo 7 for thoose windows fan boys

not sure if blackberry is big outside of America at least I never seen one in the country I live in

Rudegar said:
not sure if blackberry is big outside of America at least I never seen one in the country I live in
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Its not that big in the U.K you get the odd one or two, but there certainly not mass market. Although they have done a recent (ongoing) ad campaign on the TV.
But yeah, I completely forgot Blackberry OS.

Don't forget the new MeeGo OS too! What OS are Moto developing?

i_maq said:
What OS are Moto developing?
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Dont know, I think its only in its initial stages. Theres just been posts on various blogs about it. Not too sure weather or not its true.

Hadn't realized we had so many "sorta" working phone O/S'es out there. The company that makes an O/S that works bug-free out-of-the-box will cash in big. To steal a famous quote:
"One O/S to rule them all and in the darkness bind them."

What I'd like to see:
From Android:
Android Phone OS - Android basic OS for phones
AndroidMB - Android mobile business. Google needs to focus on the business market that doesn't strive for a hippie company that lets their entire staff come outside for the passing of Street View vehicles
From Apple:
iPhoneOS
MMB - Mac Mobile Business
From Microsoft
Windows Phone
Windows Mobile Business
I want a business phone that is as close as possible to a mobile computer. Not some interface that makes it fast for me to make a couple quick swipes with my finger to show someone a YouTube video. I understand that it's where the market is going, but there's a lot more contract money in business. Microsoft knows this. Everyone else needs to join the bandwagon. Microsoft can't forget this.

Rudegar said:
not sure if blackberry is big outside of America at least I never seen one in the country I live in
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well, in my country (Indonesia), blackberry selling is at the top level,
meanwhile, winMo phone is barely known here

dont forget hTC
yep its true..they are working on there own OS too...(to be revealed this year)

Ather said:
dont forget hTC
yep its true..they are working on there own OS too...(to be revealed this year)
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Wow. Just Wow. This will be huge!

Personally I find more choice is better. The more competition the better things are for the user in the end run, i.e. better technology, lower prices to name a few. Yes, it can be confusing on which to choose, but would you rather we all use the same device??? Didn't think so.
Also, not are new technologies make it, look at the mini-disc as one example of a technology which was supposed to take over from the CD, but were is it now??? The same applies to phone OS.....not all will make it, but the ideas behind these technologies will be incorporated into the ones which will succeed.....again only better for the end user
JM2C
Rick

wp7 january update news

be happy you have wp7..
go to:
wpcentral.com/rumor-january-windows-phone-7-update-be-massive-catches-iphone
copy paste that on your browser and read it

Excellent news! This is exactly what the market needs to hear. People who are upset by the initial release and believe it is all WP7 would ever be will be able to ease up a bit on the nay-saying.
The forces opposed to WP7 will be active all the way to the release of the update. They will actually be even more pronounced because of this information. So I hope MS does impress. Because if they don't, the system will suffer massively because of the heightened opposition.

Great news indeed
Hope to see this for real in January.

no one can exactly says that wp7 is selling poorly in the market,, i read an article that android is outselling wp7 by ratio of 15:1, and by symbian at 3:1.. but this is only on their stores or he maybe a android fanboy!
i am monitoring a facebook page of windows phone 7, the first day i monitored it there where 250,000 plus people who like it that was 3 weeks ago and now it grows to 500,000 plus likes, from this we can see that windows phone 7 is getting lots of user or maybe people are liking it and waiting to get their own in the future.

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The forces opposed to WP7 will be active all the way to the release of the update. They will actually be even more pronounced because of this information. So I hope MS does impress. Because if they don't, the system will suffer massively because of the heightened opposition.
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I don't think your comment is fair. I've been using MS products since MS DOS 2.0 right up till Windows 7. Never missed a release. Likewise the same with Windows Mobile or Pocket PC 2000 as it may be and as you can see from my sig.
All that being said WP7 was abysmal for a 1.0 release. It's nothing to do with nay-sayers. They released a great OS with too missing out of the box. This update if it comes to fruition would prove those 'nay sayers' as you called them right. In fact we may need to thank them because if MS went with people like you (no offense intended) who thought it was a great 1.0 release we may never get that update.

What exactly makes WP7 in its current state "abysmal"? And MartyLK's statement is spot on, WP7's detractors focused solely on the missing features and completely ignored the things WP7 does well OOB compared to other OS's, like multimedia playback, Office, gaming, new UI that doesnt clone the alternatives and dont forget making phone calls (which some high profile phones struggled to do when they were released). So where exactly is the "abysmal" part of WP7?

efjay said:
What exactly makes WP7 in its current state "abysmal"? . . . . . missing features and completely ignored the things WP7 does well OOB compared . . . . .?
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LOL! You seem to have answered your own question buddy. You've got to understand that no one is calling WM crap; nor am I comparing it to other OS's. I'm actually comparing it to PPCPE; the first generation.
If you feel WP7 is better compared to other OS's then you are probably right. My 2nd cellphone that I owned in 2001 was the Pocket PC phone Edition. Even that iteration had more functionality and features than WP7.
What people are upset about is not the promising factor of WP7; its going to be a great OS no doubt about it but that doesn't elude the fact that significant features were held back till an 'update'.

alabij said:
LOL! You seem to have answered your own question buddy. You've got to understand that no one is calling WM crap; nor am I comparing it to other OS's. I'm actually comparing it to PPCPE; the first generation.
If you feel WP7 is better compared to other OS's then you are probably right. My 2nd cellphone that I owned in 2001 was the Pocket PC phone Edition. Even that iteration had more functionality and features than WP7.
What people are upset about is not the promising factor of WP7; its going to be a great OS no doubt about it but that doesn't elude the fact that significant features were held back till an 'update'.
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Whatever its compared to, PPCPE, android or ios I dont see how adding features later in its life cycle makes it so abhorrent. Doesnt account for your statement that its "abysmal". Lets not forget, previous versions of WM were feature packed but for various reasons performed poorly so they are hardly a model to compare to WP7 which seeks to put performance first.

alabij said:
LOL! You seem to have answered your own question buddy. You've got to understand that no one is calling WM crap; nor am I comparing it to other OS's. I'm actually comparing it to PPCPE; the first generation.
If you feel WP7 is better compared to other OS's then you are probably right. My 2nd cellphone that I owned in 2001 was the Pocket PC phone Edition. Even that iteration had more functionality and features than WP7.
What people are upset about is not the promising factor of WP7; its going to be a great OS no doubt about it but that doesn't elude the fact that significant features were held back till an 'update'.
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You must be one of the few who never kept up with the news about WP7 from before it was released. It was widely known that the features absent currently would not be in the release version. I knew that and a great many knew that. I also know that what WP7 is currently is pure quality. I also expect future features for it, as well.
The ppl who are crying and moaning that WP7 is short-lived and bad because of the lack of these features are the ones that are referenced. They have zero excuse for saying what they say, if they are in-the-know. They are vocal and heard. How is it possible when someone like myself, who is nothing in the industry knows more than the ones who are centered in the industry? How is it possible that I and the multitude of XDA'ers know these features would be missing in the release version and they do not know that?

efjay said:
What exactly makes WP7 in its current state "abysmal"? And MartyLK's statement is spot on, WP7's detractors focused solely on the missing features and completely ignored the things WP7 does well OOB compared to other OS's, like multimedia playback, Office, gaming, new UI that doesnt clone the alternatives and dont forget making phone calls (which some high profile phones struggled to do when they were released). So where exactly is the "abysmal" part of WP7?
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Nicely said...

will updates be done how HD2 was? have to reset to factory on install? or will it be more like Droid, u just get notice it installs and runs without a hard boot?
any one know?

rysky007 said:
will updates be done how HD2 was? have to reset to factory on install? or will it be more like Droid, u just get notice it installs and runs without a hard boot?
any one know?
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Update with no reset, most likely just a re-boot 100%.

Paul Nur said:
Update with no reset, most likely just a re-boot 100%.
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good news, cant wait to see

MartyLK said:
You must be one of the few who never kept up with the news about WP7 from before it was released. It was widely known that the features absent currently would not be in the release version. I knew that and a great many knew that. I also know that what WP7 is currently is pure quality. I also expect future features for it, as well.
The ppl who are crying and moaning that WP7 is short-lived and bad because of the lack of these features are the ones that are referenced. They have zero excuse for saying what they say, if they are in-the-know. They are vocal and heard. How is it possible when someone like myself, who is nothing in the industry knows more than the ones who are centered in the industry? How is it possible that I and the multitude of XDA'ers know these features would be missing in the release version and they do not know that?
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I have a feeling that no matter how I repeat myself my words will still get twisted. I don't recall ever stating that I wasn't aware that numerous features would be missing from WP7 on release. Nor do I recall dismissing them. I am simply stating a criticism of the current OS from an urban masses perspective.
You are looking at WP7 from your perspective of understanding. Remember your view make sense to you and me and probably every other geek or tech inclined person out there. However MS is in the business of making money not satisfying the tech fetishes of geeks.
Let me simplify my point. if you took your grandma to an ATT store. What phone do you think the store rep would sell her and why if she had an option between a WP7 and an iPhone. Take a moment before you reply and note I said "store rep"?

alabij said:
I don't think your comment is fair. I've been using MS products since MS DOS 2.0 right up till Windows 7. Never missed a release. Likewise the same with Windows Mobile or Pocket PC 2000 as it may be and as you can see from my sig.
All that being said WP7 was abysmal for a 1.0 release. It's nothing to do with nay-sayers. They released a great OS with too missing out of the box. This update if it comes to fruition would prove those 'nay sayers' as you called them right. In fact we may need to thank them because if MS went with people like you (no offense intended) who thought it was a great 1.0 release we may never get that update.
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Here is what I responded to. You say (the red words). I say it has everything to do with these "nay-sayers". They are in-the-know and are complaining that WP7 is crap because of it's lack of features. If they are in-the-know, they knew it would lack these features. They are in fact treating WP7 as if it is all it will ever be. The fact that they are in-the-know and no doubt knew about its lack of features at launch means they are opposed to WP7 no matter what. They are the ones who will be even more vocal in opposition to WP7 now that the public knows there is a huge update planned.
The nay-sayers aren't fair-minded common users. They are the opposition to WP7.

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Here is what I responded to. You say (the red words). I say it has everything to do with these "nay-sayers". They are in-the-know and are complaining that WP7 is crap because of it's lack of features. If they are in-the-know, they knew it would lack these features. They are in fact treating WP7 as if it is all it will ever be. The fact that they are in-the-know and no doubt knew about its lack of features at launch means they are opposed to WP7 no matter what. They are the ones who will be even more vocal in opposition to WP7 now that the public knows there is a huge update planned.
The nay-sayers aren't fair-minded common users. They are the opposition to WP7.
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Dont you feel (if not agree); that it's these flood of people that are forcing MS to release this update of missing features in early 2011. Meaning that if you keep saying something is perfect then how will the manufacturer know. Why do you think every store, website, business aske for surveys.
Without the so called Apple "nay sayers" complaining about copy/paste it would have never happened. Now ask yourself. How many people do you know who use an iPhone use copy/paste?

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Dont you feel (if not agree); that it's these flood of people that are forcing MS to release this update of missing features in early 2011. Meaning that if you keep saying something is perfect then how will the manufacturer know. Why do you think every store, website, business aske for surveys.
Without the so called Apple "nay sayers" complaining about copy/paste it would have never happened. Now ask yourself. How many people do you know who use an iPhone use copy/paste?
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I understand what you are saying but I disagree with you in intent of purpose. Nay-saying from general, user, public is what will drive the OS to loftier heights, if MS does in fact listen to them. I'm not fully certain of that. I think of MS as doing their own thing, to their own drumbeat rather than catering to the public. The nay-sayers you are referring to are an obstacle to survival because they are -in-the-know and the general public listens to them. They will not ever like WP7 because they oppose it, no matter what. They will twist everything they can to destroy it before it's up and running.

People... people... people... Microsoft rushed this phone to market. They new exactly what they were doing. They wanted to capture a piece of the Christmas shopping pie. And we jumped in because we are sick of Apple and their iPhone. I mean really a battery that you can't replace???? Get with it Apple !!!! I digress... As I stated in a previous thread Microsoft will do what Apple did and in half the time. In fact it wouldn't surprise me at all if it surpasses iPhone in less than a year. I mean why oh why did Microsoft come out with a totally new Phone OS ? Because they know the current platforms will not support future funtionality and cloud services. They sank millions into this and they are not going to play second fiddle to Apple or Google in this space. So did we buy our WP7 phones for what it can do? No.... we bought it because of what it will be able to do. Yes it is lacking some defacto funtionality (copy/paste) but would you have rather spent your money and upgraded to iPhone4 and have a nice paper weight in 6 months? Yes there will be nay sayers. Heck I even say iPhone still sucks despite their advances. And if you think iPhone is so great, talk to me when you can swap the battery in 20 seconds or less. So bring on the the releases Microsoft and make us smile ! We know you have done the market research and we know you are going to bring great things to this platform.

I am a big MS fan and waited very patiently for WP7. I must say I was rather underwhelmed with the initial release and cannot wait for numerous updates that will bring it atleast on par with the functionality in W6.5
Exchange-
No settings to decide how you want the phone to behave after a delete
No hierachial folder list
NO ability to search your mailbox.
Cannot select all to mass act on criteria
No ability to custmize font, color in emails. most new androids do this
People Search
Cannot search people by file as field or company.
Other issues
Wifi Mac address hidden
No Flash. Atleast recognize a you tube URL and send us to m.youtube.com
No Bluetooth settings (cannot change behavior of phone when paired) ie voice commands dont work.
Phone menu doesnt separate missed, incoming and outgoing calls.
Cannot forward a txt message
No Wifi router
No Remote desktop
No Swype keyboard
All of the above are painful ommisions for me. if the hardware on my Imagio wasnt so damn slow I would be back using it.

for search .... in the program you are in, mail, music, phone, click on the bottom right hand search symbol (last one on right). Type what you are searching. If there is a match it will find it quickly... yes some of the other features are not there yet (release coming soon). Not sure by the last one? No Swype ?

Finally upgrading to Windows Phone 7, need suggestions

Ok so Im sure this will be moved but I wanted my fellow TP 2 owners advice on what would be a good upgrade for moving to an at&t windows phone 7.
I have done some research and believe that the LG Quantum is more to my liking than the HTC Surround or Samsung focus for various reasons starting with the keyboard. I have also found that it offers tethering as well as voice to text which seems to be a cool feature. I have actually held the phone in my hands yesterday and compared to the other wp 7 at&t phones. It will no doubt be a bit different than what Im used to but nevertheless I do like the idea of having the latest and greatest hw and sw.
I am curious if these phones will support Tomtom as I use it all the time. I know that it will have to be jailbroken to load future custom roms but I think I can be patient.
I guess I am just wondering if Im missing something so if you all have any insight I would love to hear your thoughts.
Thanks.

swtaltima said:
Ok so Im sure this will be moved but I wanted my fellow TP 2 owners advice on what would be a good upgrade for moving to an at&t windows phone 7.
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If this post is moved, it would be because this has absolutely nothing to do with ROM development.
LG phones have been pretty underwhelming in the past. But I haven't seen the Quantum in person, myself. WP7 has already been jail broken, apparently. But the mod community has not traditionally been all that excited about making custom ROMs for LG devices, if I'm not mistaken. Although the scope of this site has been expanding quite a bit recently.

swtaltima said:
Ok so Im sure this will be moved but I wanted my fellow TP 2 owners advice on what would be a good upgrade for moving to an at&t windows phone 7.
I have done some research and believe that the LG Quantum is more to my liking than the HTC Surround or Samsung focus for various reasons starting with the keyboard. I have also found that it offers tethering as well as voice to text which seems to be a cool feature. I have actually held the phone in my hands yesterday and compared to the other wp 7 at&t phones. It will no doubt be a bit different than what Im used to but nevertheless I do like the idea of having the latest and greatest hw and sw.
I am curious if these phones will support Tomtom as I use it all the time. I know that it will have to be jailbroken to load future custom roms but I think I can be patient.
I guess I am just wondering if Im missing something so if you all have any insight I would love to hear your thoughts.
Thanks.
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TomTom will not work on WP7 nor will any other progam for windows mobile. WP7 is totally different and for now has a limited amount of programs and it will probably be awhile before we see third apps like we do for WM6.5. I think they are tryin to make it a closed platform like IPHONE and Android where most the apps will be endorsed by and distributed by Microsoft. I am not sure if there is a version of TomTom yet for WP7 but the one u have now will not run on WP7.

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I think they are tryin to make it a closed platform like IPHONE and Android where most the apps will be endorsed by and distributed by Microsoft.
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Android is fully capable of sideloading applications from sources other than the Android Market, including user made apps, beta software, etc. AT&T is the only carrier that has locked down the ability to sideload on their Android phones. Plus, Google is pretty open to what software they will allow on the Market, unlike Apple.

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Android is fully capable of sideloading applications from sources other than the Android Market, including user made apps, beta software, etc. AT&T is the only carrier that has locked down the ability to sideload on their Android phones. Plus, Google is pretty open to what software they will allow on the Market, unlike Apple.
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i never said u couldn't get third party apps i said that android and iphone want all apps to be endorsed and distributed by them. meaning if someone makes an app they want that app to be cleared for sale or download by them on their market. apple and google only make money off of paid apps if they distribute them and the maker of the app will make more money if their app is distibuted by apple or google cause the apps will all be in one place and easier to find which means they will have a better chance of selling. Microsoft wants to do the same thing by putting the majority of the WP7 apps in one place. the reason they even want free apps is cause the longer u look for apps on their stores the greater chance is you will click on an advertisment which pays them a few cents each time someone click on it. thats how all these companies make money. youtube is the worst but maybe the smartest cause they even put advertisments in their clips. they'll do anything to make a few cents but a cut of the money goes to the person who owns the video too. that is enough to make people wanna put their product on these sites and let them distribute it, money.

porkenhimer said:
i never said u couldn't get third party apps i said that android and iphone want all apps to be endorsed and distributed by them. meaning if someone makes an app they want that app to be cleared for sale or download by them on their market.
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Putting Android and iPhone in the same category as "closed" is an injustice to Android, and not accurate. Yes, Google would "like" for apps to be endorsed by them, and to make money off of them, but they aren't forcing it like Apple is. There is plenty of 3rd party software available, and incredibly simple to install on Android. iPhone has to be jailbroken/hacked in order to do so. And Apple even tried to make it illegal to jailbreak the iPhone, to prevent loading of apps from sources other then their app store.
There are plenty of Android app stores like Handango and Handmark, which Google has completely allowed separate from their own market. Major developers like Gameloft have started their own Android app stores, instead of using the Android Market, and now its rumored that Amazon will also have their own Android app store. To say that Google is limiting the distribution of Android apps in any way is simply not correct.

HTC 7 Mozart
Hi
I have just upgraded from the TP2 to the HTC 7 Mozart. I am happy with the phone. It seems to work very well. As stated WM 6.5 software isn't transferrable and there are very few options for full navigation software at the moment.
I found the software keyboard very easy to use in landscape and certainly much better than anything I had on WM 6.5. I think that WP7, as an OS, has a very good way of recognising the difference between different type of gestures and it seems to "know" when you've made a mistake typing and corrects almost all mistakes automatically.
I still use my TP2 for work, so I will just leave it in the car for Sat Nav purposes.
Cheers
andrew-in-woking

Nokia to beat Android?

Here's the article: http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/nokia-our-first-priority-is-beating-android/
My first thoughts were....hahahaha! In their dreams.
Open source can't be beat, simple as that. But Google do need to come up with a better strategy for implementing their OS on the devices otherwise fragmentation will drive potential customers away.
In my view WP7 is a step backwards, the UI is horrible with home being filed with tons of tiles that you have to scroll through, no real multitasking, locked down like iOS etc, and now Nokia thinks that this move will beat Android. Are they that arrogant?
I did a speed test comparison between DHD and HD7 and WP7 got its ass smacked, it loaded apps/games much slower.
They should of made a better version of N900, that was not a bad phone but could of been a monster.
Your thoughts?

The day that Nokia has dominance over Android, I will get an iphone. I currently own the 1 and only Evo 4g, rooted, stock. (wireless tether of course).

yeah i think nokia is making a bad move

lol good old nokia trying to make a comeback...

I honestly don't know who even carries Nokia phones anymore They once made really nice phones. Windows mobile or phone 7 or what ever they are calling it this year is in the same boat imo. I carried wm since the HTC 8125. And year after year I pationatly waited for ms to get it right, and they never did. It did get better in terms of reliability but I still had to reset my tilt 2 a few times a week.
I think the team up could be good for them but I could care less.
To me, It's like 2 old men in your neighborhood teaming up and thinking they are gonna take back that snow shoveling biz that they had when they were kids all the while everyone already has the youngsters down the street with their self propelled snow blowers that knock out the jobs in no time.
They pissed off most of us loyal wm folks along time ago and you know how that saying about screw me once, screw me twice goes....not gonna happen to me.
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Hmmnn, noki is not going anywhere except in your dreams

Speaking of steps backwards hows the whole no GPU accelerated UI treating you guys? I'm loving having a homescreen that doesnt look like an iphone ripoff. Nokia has an astounding market share in the European market, they have the power to help drive WP7 much higher. Call it a step backwards if you'd like. It's nice to not have to flash a new rom at least once a week to have a functional phone.

I like Nokias phones. My brother has the n8 and the camera is amazing! hopefully this works out and I'll get a nokia with a xenon flash

z33dev33l said:
Speaking of steps backwards hows the whole no GPU accelerated UI treating you guys? I'm loving having a homescreen that doesnt look like an iphone ripoff. Nokia has an astounding market share in the European market, they have the power to help drive WP7 much higher. Call it a step backwards if you'd like. It's nice to not have to flash a new rom at least once a week to have a functional phone.
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There it is, that's what I was waiting for.
UI is hardware accelerated on 2.3 and up, even 2.2 can have it with a minor file modification. How the no copy/paste going? Or hows the whole can't edit a email when forwarding going? When M$ bring out an update will you jump around like a little schoolgirl and call it innovation? C'mon man, the OS is seriously lacking the most important features, it's shameful.
Sure stock UIs layout is slightly like iPhones but looks nothing like it though. You see, I can make the UI looks how I want which fits my needs, not what a few guys think it should be.
Flashing ROMs has nothing to do with having a functional phone, it's only to improve it further and bring out the potential.
Nokia may help with a few sales but many longtime fans will turn around and look elsewhere for a phone to fulfill their needs.

Nokia wont ever beat android
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Why not??? Nokia will beat Android... Didnt u read the article?

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There it is, that's what I was waiting for.
UI is hardware accelerated on 2.3 and up, even 2.2 can have it with a minor file modification. How the no copy/paste going? Or hows the whole can't edit a email when forwarding going? When M$ bring out an update will you jump around like a little schoolgirl and call it innovation? C'mon man, the OS is seriously lacking the most important features, it's shameful.
Sure stock UIs layout is slightly like iPhones but looks nothing like it though. You see, I can make the UI looks how I want which fits my needs, not what a few guys think it should be.
Flashing ROMs has nothing to do with having a functional phone, it's only to improve it further and bring out the potential.
Nokia may help with a few sales but many longtime fans will turn around and look elsewhere for a phone to fulfill their needs.
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Important features? in the 2 years I had android I can not remember a single occurrence in which I used C&P or needed to edit a forwarded email. Would it be nice? Sure. Is it necessary? Not at all. The point is while android has these features most of them are haphazardly thrown together and hardly functional where what WP7 has (even though it is lacking some features) truly works without having to jump through hoops. GPU acceleration is possible apparently on 2.3 plus but due to fragmentation and other issues it isn't implemented. If you can truly say the vibrant with its impossible lag or the dodgy touchscreen on the cliq or any of the other ill built phones were functional before custom roms your much more prone to fanboyism than I. It's nice to have a phone that really works, android was a low-end alternative to the iphone, putting it on high end devices is like throwing a Chevy cavalier engine in a lambo, it just makes them look bad except to the community thats always flashing roms which frankl, I dont have the time for any more.

I think Nokia partnering with Microsoft to make WP7 phones is a dumb move. Elop was quoted as saying Nokia is like being on a burning oil platform in the North Sea. So what he wants to do, is to jump onto another burning oil platform called WP7? I think it's entirely due to the fact that Elop is a former Microsoft exec!
I wasn't at all surprised, when I read an article yesterday that said investors were so upset with the news that Nokia stock price fell 14% and many Nokia employees were so upset, they used flex time and left work early.
What I think Nokia should have done, is partnered with Google and used Android. These new phones should be supplied with some kind of proprietary libraries or emulation that only works in Nokia phones to allow existing Symbian apps to run seamlessly. That way, it would provide a practical upgrade path for existing Nokia phone owners. This worked great for Apple when they went to OS X which was a completely different UNIX-based architecture, but used Rosetta to allow old PPC Mac OS apps to run. They could even market a play on words with Symbian related to symbiosis.
I just don't see how going to the smartphone platform with the least market share will help matters. WP7 has less market share than even old WinMo 6.x according to current stats.

GnatGoSplat said:
I think Nokia partnering with Microsoft to make WP7 phones is a dumb move. Elop was quoted as saying Nokia is like being on a burning oil platform in the North Sea. So what he wants to do, is to jump onto another burning oil platform called WP7? I think it's entirely due to the fact that Elop is a former Microsoft exec!
I wasn't at all surprised, when I read an article yesterday that said investors were so upset with the news that Nokia stock price fell 14% and many Nokia employees were so upset, they used flex time and left work early.
What I think Nokia should have done, is partnered with Google and used Android. These new phones should be supplied with some kind of proprietary libraries or emulation that only works in Nokia phones to allow existing Symbian apps to run seamlessly. That way, it would provide a practical upgrade path for existing Nokia phone owners. This worked great for Apple when they went to OS X which was a completely different UNIX-based architecture, but used Rosetta to allow old PPC Mac OS apps to run. They could even market a play on words with Symbian related to symbiosis.
I just don't see how going to the smartphone platform with the least market share will help matters. WP7 has less market share than even old WinMo 6.x according to current stats.
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Your whole argument is based on the foundation that WP7 in 4 months didn't sell as much as WM did since 03? Really? Ya don't say? Their choices were either be just another fish in the android OEM pool that would have received no more attention and no more rights than any other or be THE manufacturer of WP7. Really though, why would you jump from marketing symbian to marketing some re-skinned version of android... that's like jumping from Windows ME to windows Vista. They're both buggy and both require tons of modification before they're usable. Android only sold because it was marketed by google and essentially looked like a low-end iphone for every carrier. WP7 is innovation, it currently lacks a few basic features but what it does have works and thats more than any other OS except iOS can say and honestly, who wants those hardware limitations and ugly UI?

Well, we all know what Vic Gundotra thinks about this...

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Your whole argument is based on the foundation that WP7 in 4 months didn't sell as much as WM did since 03? Really? Ya don't say? Their choices were either be just another fish in the android OEM pool that would have received no more attention and no more rights than any other or be THE manufacturer of WP7. Really though, why would you jump from marketing symbian to marketing some re-skinned version of android... that's like jumping from Windows ME to windows Vista. They're both buggy and both require tons of modification before they're usable. Android only sold because it was marketed by google and essentially looked like a low-end iphone for every carrier. WP7 is innovation, it currently lacks a few basic features but what it does have works and thats more than any other OS except iOS can say and honestly, who wants those hardware limitations and ugly UI?
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No, my whole argument is based on WP7 being a sales FAIL. The comparison to WM is only a point of reference, because it's generally well accepted that except for a few fanboys, nobody likes WM.
No, their choices were to use Android, a product that people actually WANT, vs WP7, a product that nobody wants. It doesn't matter how awesome or innovative you may think WP7 is, if nobody wants it, nobody's going to buy it. So if Nokia wants to make money, and unless I'm mistaken, but all companies exist to do one thing and that is make money, they should choose the platform that makes money rather than one nobody wants.
You're saying iOS has an ugly UI? Compared to WP7? Seriously? For most people I know (and according to sales figures, most people worldwide), the UI is what turned them off to WP7 and drove them to Android or iOS.

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Important features? in the 2 years I had android I can not remember a single occurrence in which I used C&P or needed to edit a forwarded email. Would it be nice? Sure. Is it necessary? Not at all. The point is while android has these features most of them are haphazardly thrown together and hardly functional where what WP7 has (even though it is lacking some features) truly works without having to jump through hoops. GPU acceleration is possible apparently on 2.3 plus but due to fragmentation and other issues it isn't implemented. If you can truly say the vibrant with its impossible lag or the dodgy touchscreen on the cliq or any of the other ill built phones were functional before custom roms your much more prone to fanboyism than I. It's nice to have a phone that really works, android was a low-end alternative to the iphone, putting it on high end devices is like throwing a Chevy cavalier engine in a lambo, it just makes them look bad except to the community thats always flashing roms which frankl, I dont have the time for any more.
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lol wut?
This is basic functionality I use most days. Even if I used it monthly the whole point is that when I need it it's there, thats the power of android. You don't need all the features every day, but when you do need it its all there ready.

I will take a speedy UI and no c&p over the opposite any day. No one dropped wp7 and turned to Android or IOS because of the UI. No one has used wp7 because they're a fanboy of either of the other oses and think anything else is wrong. Wp7 in its first poor iteration has a more complete feeling than any of the 30ish Android devices I've owned and that's just sad. Wp7 is small now because people fear change regardless of how much smoother the user experience is.

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I will take a speedy UI and no c&p over the opposite any day. No one dropped wp7 and turned to Android or IOS because of the UI. No one has used wp7 because they're a fanboy of either of the other oses and think anything else is wrong. Wp7 in its first poor iteration has a more complete feeling than any of the 30ish Android devices I've owned and that's just sad. Wp7 is small now because people fear change regardless of how much smoother the user experience is.
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Not true. The only fanboys I know are on this site. I've recently talked to many smartphone n00bs who are getting a smartphone for the first time. Just from playing with the phone in the showroom, they narrow it down to Android or iPhone. WP7 is never even considered. Some people will switch from Android to iPhone and vice versa. People on this forum excluded, I don't know anyone who has even considered going from iPhone to WP7 or Android to WP7. Even my wife, who isn't even remotely a fanboy, has no interest in WP7 simply because she doesn't like how, "it looks so plain and boring". Maybe people would love WP7 if they actually used it for awhile, but Microsoft can't even get them through the door, much less reel them in.

Wp7 needs a mascot like a bald guy in a turtleneck or a little green robot. Then it would be srsbiz.