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You have GOT to be kidding me!
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Unlocked-Ja...469?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27b723a68d
Until B&N pushes an update to unroot it...wow...
Here's the best part.
The options are just opening up for this hot holiday item, right now you can play a large amount of games and other locked out Apps Barnes & Noble don't want you turning their lower priced ereader into a full fledged android 2.2 tablet.
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2.2...lol..I should email the seller to show me a screen cap of 2.2 on there and running Flash.
Plus he mentions giving you access to parts of the android app store. Um...which part would that be exactly?? And all for only $400! Wow. Pity some poor sucker is going to fall for this.
Well, he's mostly right about the "full fledged android tablet" part
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2.2...lol..I should email the seller to show me a screen cap of 2.2 on there and running Flash.
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He won't... cause these are unopened in original packaging and stuff...
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He won't... cause these are unopened in original packaging and stuff...
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Oh, you mean that he only buys them AFTER someone pays...
Pretty slick, but man I could NEVER do that to ANYONE.
Sad thing is, this creep is probably stalking these forums right now and even reading this post.
If he is, he better put some change in the Cyanogen tip jar.
Well, i can't really blame him though... he's only catering to the "ignorant, can't read simple directions" or the lazy bunch out there.
Ugh. You'd think that someone attempting to sell products would have a better grasp of grammar and spelling.
They don't exactly mention that they do anything more than just rooting the device. Some poor sap is going to buy one, receive it, fire it up and look for Angry Birds and cry. Like others have said, they'll think that it's running Android 2.2 and has access to Android Market. Fail.
He's from Milton, WI. I've been there.
lol, all his feedback is as a buyer, and some from the same vendor I believe (as feedback is a copy/paste) and he touts "100% feedback." Wow. I hope he loses money when someone complains and PayPal takes their money back.
I've decided on purchasing the Nook Color. I've been saving my pennies, but my wife is still not sold on the idea. She loves blogs and facebook, and she loves the netbook I got her for Christmas, but other than that she's not seduced by the raw technological possibility of the NC in the same way I am. What I need from you all is this: What features can I bring up to get my not-super-techie wife excited to own one of these things?
Thanks in advance!
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I've decided on purchasing the Nook Color. I've been saving my pennies, but my wife is still not sold on the idea. She loves blogs and facebook, and she loves the netbook I got her for Christmas, but other than that she's not seduced by the raw technological possibility of the NC in the same way I am. What I need from you all is this: What features can I bring up to get my not-super-techie wife excited to own one of these things?
Thanks in advance!
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Do you have children?
If so the children book range and the games you can get after root is a great way to keep them entertained.
(Im a teenager so i know what im talking about... lol)
Otherwise, the ability to use facebook, twitter and blog websites on the go is great, and other apps that just save time, like calculator apps for instance are EXTREMELY useful...
There also:
Recipe books (if she likes cooking)
Pandora
But to tell the absolute truth, if she doesn't want an ereader to actually read off, i dunno if you'll be able to convince her to get it...
If you can't convince her that you *need* it. And trust me you do....
Just bring it home.
If she gets mad (and she will)
Simply blame me.
JDP
Sent from my e-reader is better than your e-reader.
I conviced my wife that the Nook would help me in many ways.
1) I am a Systems Engineer working for a large indrustral plant. I carry manuals, drawings, books, etc on my phone and a day planner with me. I was able to replace the planner with the Nook, I have moved all of the other stuff to the nook and the biger screen is very helpful.
2) I am attending classes for a masters degree. I have been able to get some of my books in PDF or Epub formats. It is also helpful for reviewing notes etc...
3) When I fly I can use the Nook for music, games, movies, etc...
take her to the store, use the demo model, and hope she falls in love with it. My wife thought it was gadgety, but now it's pretty much all she reads on. We had to strike an accord on rooting though. Eventually I switched to Nookie Froyo, and during the day when I'm not home I reboot it without the card so she can use it "stock". According to her it became too confusing once I rooted it (never did figure that one out), but finally it boiled down to the home screen replacement. I left it rooted, but went back to the nook home screen and disabled softkeys (button savior helped here since it's easier to hide), so it's as close to stock as it could be with still having the ability to load apps.
Bonus, if she likes magazines, they are actually pretty nice to read on the Nook. the 1.1 update makes them even better, so I look forward to rooting catching up with that so I can keep up my hybrid build. Good Luck!
Gee, sounds like the simplest thing is that "you have a netbook, I'd like a NOOKcolor"... that is, unless you have the netbook/laptop/etc. as well. Lucky me, we both have desktops, we both have netbooks, we both have Classic Nooks, and my wife still doesn't mind that I have the NC, 'cause she knows how much I like my toys.
(PS: the occasional gift (necklace, etc) for her makes it a lot easier for her to overlook my toys as well.)
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I've decided on purchasing the Nook Color. I've been saving my pennies, but my wife is still not sold on the idea. She loves blogs and facebook, and she loves the netbook I got her for Christmas, but other than that she's not seduced by the raw technological possibility of the NC in the same way I am. What I need from you all is this: What features can I bring up to get my not-super-techie wife excited to own one of these things?
Thanks in advance!
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What I did was take her (wife) to B & N and let her play with the NC. However, before we visited B & N, I shared a couple of YouTube videos illustrating the wonderful possibilities of the NC. Matter of fact, she took the NC to work the next day to show it off to her people.
Sell your wife and buy two Nooks.
Sent from my Nook Color using XDA App
Go ahead and buy it and tell her that it is a sweater.
My wife already had a Nook, and she was a little jealous over me getting the Nook Color as she "kinda" wanted a tablet, if it could: Facebook, Email, Read/Write Office doc files.
I installed a trial of one of the Office programs and let her play with it for a few.
We bought her one that night..
I can't imagine someone NOT wanting a nookColor! Once i rooted mine, hubby got so jealous he went and bought his own and had me root it for him. We are both 150% satisfied
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Gee, sounds like the simplest thing is that "you have a netbook, I'd like a NOOKcolor"... that is, unless you have the netbook/laptop/etc. as well. Lucky me, we both have desktops, we both have netbooks, we both have Classic Nooks, and my wife still doesn't mind that I have the NC, 'cause she knows how much I like my toys.
(PS: the occasional gift (necklace, etc) for her makes it a lot easier for her to overlook my toys as well.)
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The netbook is very much hers (except for some low-level tinkering I do like installing Maxivista), but I have my own laptop so the "you get one I get one" argument is out. I will keep up on the gift-giving, though. Thanks!
jmoch2 said:
Sell your wife and buy two Nooks.
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Man, if only she weren't so'darn good looking!
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Go ahead and buy it and tell her that it is a sweater.
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Favorite quote/suggestion. ^^^^^
Anyway, we don't have any kids yet, but we're both working and going to school so budget is the biggest concern (hence me "saving my pennies"). She doesn't mind me having gadgets, it just has to either be a need or something she would love as well. I've taken her to B&N and told her "Just play around with the Nook Color for a minute." She always says "I don't know what to do when you say that." I like the cook-books angle because she does want to get more into cooking and one of her friends brought up that very point.
Please keep the suggestions coming! With the combined intellect on here, we can get me that Nook!
Thanks again!
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Anyway, we don't have any kids yet, but we're both working and going to school so budget is the biggest concern (hence me "saving my pennies"). She doesn't mind me having gadgets, it just has to either be a need or something she would love as well. I've taken her to B&N and told her "Just play around with the Nook Color for a minute." She always says "I don't know what to do when you say that." I like the cook-books angle because she does want to get more into cooking and one of her friends brought up that very point.
Please keep the suggestions coming! With the combined intellect on here, we can get me that Nook!
Thanks again!
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My wife was the very same way, take her to the store and she just stares at the Nook Color saying "what do I do". I went ahead and bought her one for Christmas anyway. As soon as she turned it on she was hooked.
My wife is very much a facebook nut so she enjoys the fact that she can read and then flip the NC sideways and browse the full facebook website on a whim. And it helps to that she is an avid reader so once she got down the fact that she could have multiple books going at once... she now has whole book cases and home screens dedicated to different books depending on her "mood".
Ultimately, you don't NEED a Nook Color. That's tough to sell. But you mentioned school... this is great for school whether reading a pdf text book or a lit book for a class. Studying is good too, say you need to look up something online while your nose is in your real books. Well just pull the NC out and seconds later you got your answer all without the clutter of a full netbook/computer on the desk. Looking at papers taking notes... there are a lot of academic roads you can take if you head down the path of rooting.
All in all my wife was a netbook candidate too...
But once I bought her the NC she just took off with it. If your wife understands enjoying reading a book, then to her this "gadgety" Nook Color is a "readers netbook". Or heck if you take the time it’s almost an academic netbook of sorts.
Anyway good luck convincing but in my opinion the nook is hard to wrap your head around until you really get time to sit and comfortably mess around with it. The Nook Color is so customizable with rooting that really you get out what you want out of it, just takes time to let it mold itself into your life.
That’s my .02 hope it helps
I have an idea, how about you grow a pair and just buy it Im married and my wife spends a majority of my money, so when I want something I buy it, lol
We have 2 android phones, 2 laptops and a desktop in our house, but I think im going to buy a NC and root it so I have a facebook/web machine laying around thats more portable than her big a$$ macbook pro and my stupid work laptop...
I started off pushing for something much more expensive. When I showed her I could buy something for half the price, she happily agreed. Seriously, after I explained what I wanted it for she was very supportive of my decision.
honestly though, take her to the mall, let her try on something nice and then offer to let her get it. She will think your being sweet, then you stop at Barnes & noble on the way home for payback
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I have an idea, how about you grow a pair and just buy it Im married and my wife spends a majority of my money, so when I want something I buy it, lol
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Were I to take the tactic you're suggesting and "grow a pair and just buy it," my wife would immediately take that pair, cut them off and stuff them in her purse so they'd always be close at hand to remind me what happens when I listen to people on the internet. And she'd return the nook. No, my friend. That would be disastrous.
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Were I to take the tactic you're suggesting and "grow a pair and just buy it," my wife would immediately take that pair, cut them off and stuff them in her purse so they'd always be close at hand to remind me what happens when I listen to people on the internet. And she'd return the nook. No, my friend. That would be disastrous.
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Are you employed? Make $$? Does she buy herself stuff?
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honestly though, take her to the mall, let her try on something nice and then offer to let her get it. She will think your being sweet, then you stop at Barnes & noble on the way home for payback
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This is your best bet, works great for me
Greetings all, hope the weekend is going smashing for everyone. As we all know, B&N has been very... lax (obvious) in their promises to update the NC with more user-friendly capabilities. For lack of a better phrase, I've had enough. Today, 2-26-11, I sent B&N a rather abrasive email in the hopes to start some form of open discussion, express my opinion, and inform them that they've got some 'splainin' to do.
Below is the email I sent, although I have edited my name and phone number that I included, for security purposes. As a note, if the email I receive in return uses the phrase "we are working on it as fast as we can," "please be patient," or some other pandering jargon, I do plan to resend this every Saturday until I either receive a response that has some weight behind it, or receive a Cease and Desist writ from them.
Why? For the simple fact that I want them to keep their promise and provide us, the user, with the better experience that we are requesting.
I will continue to update this thread with any following information that comes my way.
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Hi, I'm curious as to when or, rather, if there is going to be an update to the Nook Color OS before the end of 2011 Q1. The reason why I'm asking is because if your company is having a hard time developing the update, there are people out there who have managed to make the NC more responsive, more usable, and give it a better feel than the overly simplistic, infantile-esque UI that it currently has. I'm also asking, because I purchased the NC for my wife and I under the assumption (as did many others, apparently) that your company would be prompt with updates, bringing more user capabilities, and a better experience, while keeping to the theme of "a reader, not an all-purpose tablet".
Honestly, while I know I can't return it to get my money back, I'm seriously considering selling it so I can get something that simply runs the Nook app, as it works better than the shoddily-thrown-together program running on the NC.
Make up your mind, please. Either show us some proof that you are planning on doing an update before the end of March, or just fess up already and let people stop getting their hopes up. After all, if visibly empty promises is what your company is good for, then why am I continuing to support you with my business?
~Trey Miller
(850) 555-5555
Avid student, reader, writer, and severely disgruntled customer
Saved for whatever happens later.
Wow... honestly i think that letter is the worst thing ive read. Honestly, i dont care that they havent updated it. Its rather a blessing how unlocked they left the device. Fact of the matter is that the Nook is a eReader, a highly over powered eReader, that they built and developed ontop of the android system for the ease of use and not having to build a entire custom OS.
Honestly the nook color is the best 250 ive spent in a long time. If i wanted a "tablet" i would have bought a gtab or galaxy. Its pretty common practice for companies nowadays to delay updating software. Honestly why update software when 1: it works.. pretty well too 2: technology is moving faster then software. why update a outdated device?
Its up to you and me and the android developers to keep old devices updated with new and fun software. Thats why so many developers do what they do without making a income off it while spending hours and hours on it. In the end, Barnes and Noble is a business that needs money and updating the nook is not going to bring in the big bucks, if any at all.
Sent from one of those missing Droids or Nook Color on HoneyComb
Your letter.
I assume in part you posted this here because you want feedback.
First, I am in no way affiliated with B&N. I am a user just like you.
I am extremely happy with the Nook.
I like it precisely because they made left it (probably unintentionaly) booting first to the SD.
This in turn has allowed the devs wide open to make bootable images that can be written to the sd.
I believe the company made some forward looking statements that said they wanted to do more with the device. So far in three months, they have released 3 builds. That's actually remarkable when you consider that unlike the developers here, they have to release rock solid well tested stable builds.
Nookie Froyo is really nice. No doubt CM7 and Honeycomb will soon be also...but in the end they both have more problems than an average user could reasonably accept.
Given that their system is so remarkably open, it is my opinion that there is really no better tablet in the ballpark of it on the price.
As a computer professional, I actualy recommended to my friends on facebook, thst they send B&N execs valentines heart candies expressing unending love.
At the end of the day, in my book, they need not hurry because they have given us the best of both worlds.
Take away the boot order....and I never would have bought it at all.
Meenwhile, at apple, they are taking the walled garden to a whole new level....which can only push up prices 30%....
You'll probably get the standard "Thank you for your email, we're working as has as we can email." Even if they were going to send a real email back, what are they going to respond to? Give specific examples of what your issues you have. "bringing more user capabilities, and a better experience, while keeping to the theme of "a reader, not an all-purpose tablet"", doesn't really mean anything.
Why does it matter how their UI is when you can put whatever UI on the thing when its rooted.
I took an hour and some odd time to drive to work and think about what I would say to the two of you in response to your statements.
For starters, Altimax, I'm sorry my grasp of the American English language disgusts you more than anything you have read (although I sincerely doubt that, due to your own grammatical mistakes). Upon reading your post, I realized that you had completely missed the point of my email, which was telling them to man up and do something, or revise the statement that NC spokespersons in the B&N stores tell people. As for why update an outdated device, gee, perhaps it's because they have repeatedly stated they were?
I fully respect the people here and everywhere else that have put so much time into making the device use more of its potential-- as you'll notice in my sig-line, I'm running a rooted NC-- but my entire point was, and still is, either they need to change their tune, or they need to provide something other than a "we'll be with you in a moment" statement.
Fattychance, I agree with you completely that it is a remarkable speed by which they are working. However, the people here on XDA have managed to, as you say, produce Nookie Froyo, are working on Honeycomb, etc etc, in the same time. If nothing else, the actual B&N dev team could take a page or thirty out of these lads' books and get some stuff done.
However, again, you have missed my point; both of you have.
I'm not looking for a tablet, or more "wow factor" or anything of that sort. They've got a rather infantile UI *thrown* on top of 2.1 as their reader software. Would it hurt to address that singular problem? Hell, as I mentioned, the nook apk runs smoother than their nook UI.
I admit, this looks like I'm simply whining about things I don't like. You know what? I don't care. I've seen more posts on these forums that focus on complaining to the dev teams here about how slow work is being done. I'm at least focusing on the people who get *paid* to do this, and asking "Where's the beef?" Where is the work you lot are promising is "just around the corner"?
Three months is more than enough for them to upgrade from eclair to froyo, give the device the few added things people were promised from day one. Am I asking too much? Hell no. I'm asking them to do their job.
why do you even care? with a little effort you can run pretty much anything on it. if others dont want to then so be it, thanks to the wonderful devs, the options are there. so why even waste your time writing letters and arguing with people on here. Barnes and Nobles did a great job with the NC. great hardware and an amazing cost. Dont harras them out of boredom.
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why do you even care? with a little effort you can run pretty much anything on it. if others dont want to then so be it, thanks to the wonderful devs, the options are there. so why even waste your time writing letters and arguing with people on here. Barnes and Nobles did a great job with the NC. great hardware and an amazing cost. Dont harras them out of boredom.
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Madfatter, why do I even care? Because my daddy always taught me that if you say something, you keep your word. Why should they (meaning B&N) be any different? Also, the nice thing about my job is that I've got this nifty thing called "free time" that comes along with the whole graveyard shift work, so I'm not even wasting my time. However, it's not just that, it's also the fact that, not everyone who owns an NC even comprehends what rooting means. I'm speaking for them, not for you and me and everyone else that is a techie.
I'm confused. You want something that runs the Nook app? So why don't you root it and run the Nook app on top of a normal Android ROM?
I have to agree with others here.. why do you care, I see you have rooted you Nook Color. Do you prefer (or are waiting on) that B&N deliver something better that what you can have? Get real,... is you rooted NC not enough? B&N does books, and quite well I might add, they don't do tablets. Although they do seem to have out done everyone else.
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I'm confused. You want something that runs the Nook app? So why don't you root it and run the Nook app on top of a normal Android ROM?
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*sigh* Tell me, F(Red), what makes you think I haven't? Like I told madfatter, I'm not doing this for me, I'm doing this for every person out there that either doesn't have the knowledge of how to root, doesn't have the courage to take the chance at bricking their device, or simply wants to hold the company accountable for a promise they made.
I posted this here because, as a community, XDA is supposed to be not only here to push tech to its limits and beyond, but also to get the most out of the tech. Well, I'm trying to get the most out of the tech for people who aren't ever going to root.
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I took an hour and some odd time to drive to work and think about what I would say to the two of you in response to your statements.
For starters, Altimax, I'm sorry my grasp of the American English language disgusts you more than anything you have read (although I sincerely doubt that, due to your own grammatical mistakes). Upon reading your post, I realized that you had completely missed the point of my email, which was telling them to man up and do something, or revise the statement that NC spokespersons in the B&N stores tell people. As for why update an outdated device, gee, perhaps it's because they have repeatedly stated they were?
I fully respect the people here and everywhere else that have put so much time into making the device use more of its potential-- as you'll notice in my sig-line, I'm running a rooted NC-- but my entire point was, and still is, either they need to change their tune, or they need to provide something other than a "we'll be with you in a moment" statement.
Fattychance, I agree with you completely that it is a remarkable speed by which they are working. However, the people here on XDA have managed to, as you say, produce Nookie Froyo, are working on Honeycomb, etc etc, in the same time. If nothing else, the actual B&N dev team could take a page or thirty out of these lads' books and get some stuff done.
However, again, you have missed my point; both of you have.
I'm not looking for a tablet, or more "wow factor" or anything of that sort. They've got a rather infantile UI *thrown* on top of 2.1 as their reader software. Would it hurt to address that singular problem? Hell, as I mentioned, the nook apk runs smoother than their nook UI.
I admit, this looks like I'm simply whining about things I don't like. You know what? I don't care. I've seen more posts on these forums that focus on complaining to the dev teams here about how slow work is being done. I'm at least focusing on the people who get *paid* to do this, and asking "Where's the beef?" Where is the work you lot are promising is "just around the corner"?
Three months is more than enough for them to upgrade from eclair to froyo, give the device the few added things people were promised from day one. Am I asking too much? Hell no. I'm asking them to do their job.
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they have a UI built for putting shortcuts to your books and magazines on your homescreens so you have easy access to your favorite books or favorite magazine, their reader UI is simple and easy to use and their music player although isnt the best music player out there it gets the job done. the average user wouldnt need any more than that and imo they did a pretty good job at turning android 2.1 into an ereader OS
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Madfatter, why do I even care? Because my daddy always taught me that if you say something, you keep your word. Why should they (meaning B&N) be any different? Also, the nice thing about my job is that I've got this nifty thing called "free time" that comes along with the whole graveyard shift work, so I'm not even wasting my time. However, it's not just that, it's also the fact that, not everyone who owns an NC even comprehends what rooting means. I'm speaking for them, not for you and me and everyone else that is a techie.
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i agree with you in that aspect that they should keep their word but i also disagree with the fact they they should update it to froyo or add anything to the user experience
non techies dont need these features in an ereader if its anything they(meaning B&N) should just fix bugs in their system
if they update it to froyo they will be requested to include flash 10.1 and all other goodies froyo includes and that can actually degrade the user experience more than enhance it
flash although necessary for a full web browsing experience it isnt required for a good one
flash kills battery faster than anything else even on wifi(steve jobs got this one right) and it can slow down your device big time(although it might not happen it still is a possibility)
if you want to request a feature for the average user you should request a youtube app or something, non techies will love youtube capabilities on their ereader and the youtube app will not degrade the user experience one bit
and i apologize for my grammar but i really dont care about grammar because this is the internet and on the internet grammar doesnt matter
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*sigh* Tell me, F(Red), what makes you think I haven't? Like I told madfatter, I'm not doing this for me, I'm doing this for every person out there that either doesn't have the knowledge of how to root, doesn't have the courage to take the chance at bricking their device, or simply wants to hold the company accountable for a promise they made.
I posted this here because, as a community, XDA is supposed to be not only here to push tech to its limits and beyond, but also to get the most out of the tech. Well, I'm trying to get the most out of the tech for people who aren't ever going to root.
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again to people who dont root, its an ereader NOT a tablet
compare the NC to the Nook or the kindle feature to feature and i can guarantee you that the nook color has the most features for the tech
it has alot of unnessary features for an ereader but it has them so it can be the best in its category(ereader)
if you look at some reviews of this device you will notice that they all say that this device is a great contender to an actual tablet
Like I said, I'm not doing this for me, but for those that either don't know how, or don't want to take the risk. Yes, Flash is a battery-waster, a youtube apk would work good, etc etc. I'm not asking them to go out and re-invent the wheel, I'm just asking them to do what they said they would do. If all they do is make the UI a little less glitchy, update where you can load your own books and files onto the main screen, and toss a youtube app on there, I'll be proud as punch, happy as a pig in slop, take your pick at sayings.
As for your grammar luigi, I have no problem with it. I was merely calling him on his statement of "worst thing ever read".
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*sigh* Tell me, F(Red), what makes you think I haven't?
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The fact that I'm not a mind-reader. Also, the way you worded your original post implies that you haven't. You said you're not looking for a tablet, but rather a single-purpose device. But that's not the point. If you're not happy with it, sell it. Most people are. We like that it's open and can be turned into a cheap multi-purpose tablet. There's a fine line between showing dissatisfaction and insult. Typing up a grammatically correct email that insults the developers is not the way to go about it. I hope you realize that they still have your money, whether or not you decide to sell it. So you might as well make use of it.
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Like I said, I'm not doing this for me, but for those that either don't know how, or don't want to take the risk. Yes, Flash is a battery-waster, a youtube apk would work good, etc etc. I'm not asking them to go out and re-invent the wheel, I'm just asking them to do what they said they would do. If all they do is make the UI a little less glitchy, update where you can load your own books and files onto the main screen, and toss a youtube app on there, I'll be proud as punch, happy as a pig in slop, take your pick at sayings.
As for your grammar luigi, I have no problem with it. I was merely calling him on his statement of "worst thing ever read".
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again i also agree that they should update their ui but not to really add features but to fix glitches and bugs(maybe add a youtube app but im running honeycomb so this doesnt affect me to much due to me already having youtube capabilities) and about the load your own books point
if they allowed a user to do that they will lose money
now i dont know if they are selling the nook at a negative or at a positive income but i do know that their intention is to sell B&N books to users using the nook color, and allowing people to side load books onto their device means that pirates can load free books on their nook and use the nook app to read a book B&N had no profit on(im not saying everyone is a pirate but this gives the people who are the freedom to do so) so from a business stand point that would be a bad idea
now i do understand why this would be a requested feature but even if you had kindle books you bought if you could side load them whats stopping you from just buying kindle books and using it on your nook instead of buying B&N books
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For starters, Altimax, I'm sorry my grasp of the American English language disgusts you more than anything you have read (although I sincerely doubt that, due to your own grammatical mistakes). Upon reading your post, I realized that you had completely missed the point of my email, which was telling them to man up and do something, or revise the statement that NC spokespersons in the B&N stores tell people. As for why update an outdated device, gee, perhaps it's because they have repeatedly stated they were?
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I may have missed something, but I did go and re-read Alitmax98's reply to you, and didn't see anything mentioning your grasp of the English language. I believe he was referring to the content of your letter, not the grammar or formatting. That would be petty. On a related note, I didn't see anything grammatically wrong with his which would warrant your criticism either.
You seem overly sensitive. It's always nice when a company does what they say, but your letter does come across as if your Nook is an unusable paperweight with the potential to harm children. It's really not that bad.
I suggest you take a deep breath, download a nice book, and relax. If you really want to take someone to task, go buy a Samsung Moment from Sprint...then your rage will be justified.
Hexapus, *chuckle* I appreciate your response. I fully admit that my email was rather prickly and hostile, hell I admit it in the first post. As to the english language, I purposefully 'misunderstood' it, as I have a low threshold for people who claim that an email is worse than some pieces of sellable "fiction" (Twilight, anyone?). The fact of the matter is, everyone and their neighbor is blowing words of adoration up B&N's collective arse for the reader, and anyone who complains is told to either suck it up or shove off. The entire purpose for the email was to get them to know that there was at least one voice out there that was saying, "Okay, I see what you have, but you promised all this other stuff, too. So what the hell is up?"
Is it unusable? To some extent, yes. I'm not talking about how it won't do my paperwork, feed me, and tuck me in (I suppose it *could* do all those, but whoever created the apk would have to be shot), I'm talking about how, every once in a while, I'd like to have a piece of technology that *doesn't* require me to have to rewrite the system just to make it work up to spec.
Luigi, you bring up a very good point about sideloaded pirated books. Although let me put this to you, if you're concerned that a person is going to sideload a book onto an open device that is easily rooted so that you can run the kindle apk along side the nook apk, not to mention half a dozen other things, and whatever else you might throw on there, your line of logic is just a little, mmm, off kilter.
But hey, whatevs. I'm going radio silent until I get a response either way. If anyone else wants to criticize me for speaking up, that's your perogative. Just as it's my perogative to call you an ignorant greedy arse for not thinking about those people who won't or can't root.
Everyone has a right to their opinion but not everyone is right all the time.
The users that aren't ready to put Nookie on an SD card...need that dumbed down UI.
Even if when they open up an app store and move to honeycomb...they will probably keep the UI crippled.
They aren't telling lies and they made it nice for those of us with the skills to do something more with it. It's really such a rare thing to have happen.
I want the Nook held up as an example of openness that helps fuel creativity and progress.
Does the tab have Honeycomb yet? Gingerbread?
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Hi, I'm curious as to when or, rather, if there is going to be an update to the Nook Color OS before the end of 2011 Q1. The reason why I'm asking is because if your company is having a hard time developing the update, there are people out there who have managed to make the NC more responsive, more usable, and give it a better feel than the overly simplistic, infantile-esque UI that it currently has. I'm also asking, because I purchased the NC for my wife and I under the assumption (as did many others, apparently) that your company would be prompt with updates, bringing more user capabilities, and a better experience, while keeping to the theme of "a reader, not an all-purpose tablet".
Honestly, while I know I can't return it to get my money back, I'm seriously considering selling it so I can get something that simply runs the Nook app, as it works better than the shoddily-thrown-together program running on the NC.
Make up your mind, please. Either show us some proof that you are planning on doing an update before the end of March, or just fess up already and let people stop getting their hopes up. After all, if visibly empty promises is what your company is good for, then why am I continuing to support you with my business?
~Trey Miller
(850) 555-5555
Avid student, reader, writer, and severely disgruntled customer
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For starter, the NC is an eReader, and it is just functioning fine. Their app is amazing and work as expected.
What you did after rooting it is your problem, not NC. If you complaint that it doesn't work like a true tablet, then I have news for you. It is NOT.
If you need a tablet that function like it is a tablet out of the package, then go get a Xoom.
Trey,
Thanks for your post as it obviously got people thinking. The answers you seek are on the BN developer boards. I think they said June for the app store and software update. I know many non power users on Android and many of them hate it. The reason is, it does not function as well consistently as people expect it to. With the Nook, it does. This is important to many users and worth a wait in theirs and Barnes and Noble's mind. When the update comes, it will make the device smootther and give it more features. The froyo and Gingerbread ports here though wonderful, do not make it more stable. They have good devs, but I am not sure they are as good as the ones here. All this equates to more time for them to get it right. Our nagging will not speed up the process. You did buy a tablet from a company that makes books after all. If you want speedy updates, buy one from a computer company. Only, don't buy an Archos, they are notoriously slow with updates. On a lighter note, BN must have done something right. Look how much the interface of Honeycomb looks like the BN interface.
So where is the promised January/mid-February NC 2.2 update from B&N??? Here's what I found recently:
"B&N plans to update the OS sometime in 2011. Regarding applications, we are committed to the NOOKdeveloper program and on track to add apps to our store in early 2011, but do not have plans enable Android Marketplace at this time."
It was never promised. Just rumoured. And then pretty much debunked:
http://nookappreview.com/2010/12/31/nook-apps-might-arrive-in-march-2011-developer-mode-in-jan-2011/
Still sounds promising seeing how i'ts March already. But it looks like it's more of a refined update as opposed to a general android OS update. The inclusion of flash would be nice. And if they are in charge of making flash available then maybe we'll get a decent working version of one a little easier.
The current build just feels sluggish. Especially the browser. Hopefully they can rectify that in whatever updates they have brewing.
In general I think BN just needs to get the app store out but maybe they are waiting on actual developers for this? At the very least...Facebook, Twitter, instant messaging, e-mail, Youtube, etc. would be nice. Support for more types of video codecs as well as allowing side loaded content to be added to the home screen would help make those features actually useful. I think they really are a few steps away from the stock, unrooted OS being decent enough where some of us less adventurous people will be dissuaded from going through the trouble of rooting.
Web browsing is a lot worse than on my iPhone 4 at the moment. The video quality on m.youtube is a horrendous pixelated mess. No difference at all between HQ and Normal.
To watch YouTube in HD, dig around for and install "signed_YouTube.apk". I believe this is the gingerbread version and plays YouTube vids in HD on the nook properly
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The current build just feels sluggish. Especially the browser. Hopefully they can rectify that in whatever updates they have brewing.
In general I think BN just needs to get the app store out but maybe they are waiting on actual developers for this? At the very least...Facebook, Twitter, instant messaging, e-mail, Youtube, etc. would be nice. Support for more types of video codecs as well as allowing side loaded content to be added to the home screen would help make those features actually useful. I think they really are a few steps away from the stock, unrooted OS being decent enough where some of us less adventurous people will be dissuaded from going through the trouble of rooting.
Web browsing is a lot worse than on my iPhone 4 at the moment. The video quality on m.youtube is a horrendous pixelated mess. No difference at all between HQ and Normal.
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I could see them waiting for more apps... its also possible their riding the hype and waiting for it to die down before releasing it.
However as I + others have said... theres NO REASON for B&N to update the nook. At least from a android firmware standpoint
Admiralvic said:
I could see them waiting for more apps... its also possible their riding the hype and waiting for it to die down before releasing it.
However as I + others have said... theres NO REASON for B&N to update the nook. At least from a android firmware standpoint
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According to a B&N employee, there will be an update to stock NC to Android 2.2 based firmware which will also support Flash, at the end of March.
Remember that this is third-hand, may be incorrect, and could be delayed even if it is correct.
I really wish there was going to 2.2 update.
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According to a B&N employee, there will be an update to stock NC to Android 2.2 based firmware which will also support Flash, at the end of March.
Remember that this is third-hand, may be incorrect, and could be delayed even if it is correct.
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I heard the same thing from an employee except it was 2-3 weeks ago and the date they gave was the end of February.
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theres NO REASON for B&N to update the nook. At least from a android firmware standpoint
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That may not be true, it depends upon how "Enhanced NookBooks" will work, which according to their website are coming soon. Flash maybe?
I had not seen this thread and I just got back from BN. I showed the guy my rooted Nookand he was impressed.. although I dont think he liked my kindle app.
He did volunteer that there would be an update by the end of March. What was included .. he did not say.
Admiralvic said:
I could see them waiting for more apps... its also possible their riding the hype and waiting for it to die down before releasing it.
However as I + others have said... theres NO REASON for B&N to update the nook. At least from a android firmware standpoint
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We can hope and dream can we not?
If a B&N store employee is telling you when the update is coming they are talking out of their anus.
No company is going to give out any information like that to bottom level sales employees. When B&N settles on an official date they will at best give the employees a couple days warning.
Honestly we will probably know when its coming before the employees do.
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If a B&N store employee is telling you when the update is coming they are talking out of their anus.
No company is going to give out any information like that to bottom level sales employees. When B&N settles on an official date they will at best give the employees a couple days warning.
Honestly we will probably know when its coming before the employees do.
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I've seen some stores have specific Nook "experts" that just hang around the Nook kiosks all day long and they probably have more general knowledge about the product than say the cashiers or regular employees. I wouldn't say its impossible that an employee knows info that we don't. Or they could read forums like this too.
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I've seen some stores have specific Nook "experts" that just hang around the Nook kiosks all day long and they probably have more general knowledge about the product than say the cashiers or regular employees. I wouldn't say its impossible that an employee knows info that we don't. Or they could read forums like this too.
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Well you have to remember this wasnt the first time we went down this road. I remember when every employee was saying the app store + 2.2 would come out in January... then it was Feb, now its end of march... I wouldnt be shocked if these people are just relying on luck, and assuming things.
Not everyone, employees included know that theres android on the low... its always possible that they just think were on Nook firmware 2.1, and just say a date for the next update as its possible.
Logically speaking, if the nook was getting an upgrade... and the employees actually knew, and were telling it why wouldnt it get announced? With something like 2.2, its not like B&N is going to just release it without trying to nab sales.
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I heard the same thing from an employee except it was 2-3 weeks ago and the date they gave was the end of February.
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I really respect delays in software releases.
This means that the managers are allowing the programmers to fix the bugs, instead of heeding the CEOs' usual call to "release it now regardless of whether it works right".
I am not referring to any particular company or CEO, but there is always pressure from above to release software before it is stable.
PS How do BN employees know ? Someone has to be doing Beta testing before a release to millions of customers. It is typical for large companies to have employees do Beta testing. It would not be unusual for those Beta testers to get an email with link to "release candidate for public release at the end of the month, so please confirm that you do not have problems with this release". Then when problems are confirmed, release slips to the following month, rinse and repeat.
Hello,
just wanted to share that just the other day, must have been thursday, A Nook rep at my local B&N store and i got to talking and he said that he had been told that 2.2 will be out this month! and that he was told that in January. Looks like we might be getting luck! Just gotta be patient. Always fun... lol
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I've seen some stores have specific Nook "experts" that just hang around the Nook kiosks all day long and they probably have more general knowledge about the product than say the cashiers or regular employees. I wouldn't say its impossible that an employee knows info that we don't. Or they could read forums like this too.
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I am a digital lead at a BN and I love this forum...
tranquilchao5 said:
I am a digital lead at a BN and I love this forum...
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Right.
Although it would be nice to have a B&N rep. mulling around the forum. After all, I think communites like this are best at making products better for everyone else. And forum reading typically are strongly tied and loyal to their device. They also are more likely to spread good PR if they are happy with their product and the company attached to it. Read; OG Droid compared to the Droid X fiasco. Ever wonder why they finally allowed an unlockable bootloader on the Xoom? Something caused them to backtrack a bit...even if we only represent a small percent of the consumer base.
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I am a digital lead at a BN and I love this forum...
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Spill the beans!
Watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrpS4PTSBKg
Obviously a pair of bozo's who are trying to advance a specific agenda- maybe Kindle or Ipad, I don't know.
But it seem pretty obvious that they don't know what they are talking about.
Fortunately most of the press about the Nook Color and everything concerning rooting/ROMming NCs is better informed.
Go ahead and click on the link to drive up their stats or just ignore them and let them fade into insignificance.
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Obviously a pair of bozo's who are trying to advance a specific agenda- maybe Kindle or Ipad, I don't know.
But it seem pretty obvious that they don't know what they are talking about.
Fortunately most of the press about the Nook Color and everything concerning rooting/ROMming NCs is better informed.
Go ahead and click on the link to drive up their stats or just ignore them and let them fade into insignificance.
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I almost clicked on the link out of curiosity until I read the last part of your post. Skipped and moving on to other threads.
Those guys are retarded. Have they not seen the videos of it running circles around the GalaxyTab?
We can only hope this is a poor attempt at April's fool. Otherwise /facepalm
These two are just a couple of ass-clowns that are long on bluster and rather short on specifics.
The don't refer to any benchmarks and don't have any illustrations to support their ambiguous contentions.
They claim, in the video, that the Xoom and the Galaxy tabs "blow the nook out of the water.... blah...blah..blah..." yet give no specific benchmark evidence. They say that the NC is underpowered, again without any supporting evidence. They also neglect to mention the enormous price differential.
They make no mention of the lack of camera, microphone, or 3G. These are legitimate shortcomings for those want these features. If they had talked about that, they would have had something. Or if they had talked about the audio sync issue when playing videos, again, we'd have something to talk about.
No, the two whiney little biatches in this video are just unskilled hacks that have no idea how to review a product. They are not Consumer Reports type material. Heck, their product-review-fu is so weak that they're not even up the the lowly hack level of Gizmodo.
Watch the video for the folly of it, but don't take their ill-supported opinions too seriously...
my favorite part of their talk, and granted i got bored within the first 30 seconds, was how with their own verbage showed how uninformed and baseless their claims are. When they said, well you can jailbreak it I started laughing and knew these two jamokes only had iphones and didnt have a clue as to android.
1. Jailbreak - what you do to an iphone/ipad
2. SPL unlocker - what you do to a old school windows mobile phone
3. Unlock/Jailbreak - what you can do to WP7
4. Root - what you do to an android device
verbage is very important it shows your knowledge of the subject area that you are trying to show your expertise in.
hmmm,
I stopped at about the half of the video, because it simply didnt interest me what they were saying.
I had a NC till about 2 weeks ago, had it for about one month. I tried out nearly every Rom and stuff, but i didnt really get happy with it.
I wouldnt say it totally sucks, but I rather have something that is actually working.
I had problems with the sensivity of the screen, I sold it and got a SGT for 80€ more.
A lot better, a lot....
Maybe as a tablet bundled with a good android smartphone, with tethered internet its okay, but as a standalone device as I was intending to use it, it sucked.
But everyone can decide what they buy, I wasnt happy with the NC, therefore I like to hear it even more, that you all are...
oh lol, the "I's"