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any peopple coming from android in here? !
well, could you push me one way or the other please?
so basically, convince me to buy a hd7.
Recent phones, Nexus one, G2, captivate.
I've been diehard android since the G1 but when I saw this UI I melted just a little bit.
I will tell you the only thing I dislike so far is the current lack of app support which can only get better with time. The UI may have been marketed as something that you could pick up glance at and then put down but I find myself on it just as much as I did my g2. This phone has the ability to change the face of phones if Microsoft has the backing (how could they not) Jump on the bandwagon while there's still room, it's more than worth it.
My last phone was a Desire, WP7 and the HD7 blow Android away IMO, there are some limitations currently but updates will hopefully eliminate them within a few months. Research carefully before you jump, but my recommendation would be to go for it
Last 4 phones;Apple iPhone, Sprint HTC Hero, Nexus one, HTC EVO
Personally there is one thing that I love about WP7 that I could not get on any android device; consistency. Android is nice and all but it felt very disjointed and thrown together. Sure there are a ton of apps but so many lack polish. Please do not get me wrong Android is nice and very capable but it always felt sloppy to use.
In my experience every android phone that I have ever owned sucked on battery besides the nexus one. The hero was dead before I knew it and the EVO is just pathetic as far as battery goes. I don't what the deal is but the Android OS doesn't seem optimized as far as battery goes.
Not gonna beat a dead horse but as everyone here knows; android fragmentation is a problem. Slowly getting better mind you. Every android phone that I have purchased was running an older version of the OS at the time of purchase.(besides the nexus)
Lastly I felt that I had to root and tinker with my android phone just to get it to a point where I was satisfied with it.
Keep in mind this is merely my personal opinion and experience, others mileage may vary.
adesonic said:
My last phone was a Desire, WP7 and the HD7 blow Android away IMO, there are some limitations currently but updates will hopefully eliminate them within a few months. Research carefully before you jump, but my recommendation would be to go for it
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ive done TOO much research. i swear im dead serious, at least 10 hours of hard research this week.
bernaserra said:
Last 4 phones;Apple iPhone, Sprint HTC Hero, Nexus one, HTC EVO
Personally there is one thing that I love about WP7 that I could not get on any android device; consistency. Android is nice and all but it felt very disjointed and thrown together. Sure there are a ton of apps but so many lack polish. Please do not get me wrong Android is nice and very capable but it always felt sloppy to use.
In my experience every android phone that I have ever owned sucked on battery besides the nexus one. The hero was dead before I knew it and the EVO is just pathetic as far as battery goes. I don't what the deal is but the Android OS doesn't seem optimized as far as battery goes.
Not gonna beat a dead horse but as everyone here knows; android fragmentation is a problem. Slowly getting better mind you. Every android phone that I have purchased was running an older version of the OS at the time of purchase.(besides the nexus)
Lastly I felt that I had to root and tinker with my android phone just to get it to a point where I was satisfied with it.
Keep in mind this is merely my personal opinion and experience, others mileage may vary.
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agree completely. the hardware is really dissapointing though. ill definitely be wedded for two years, annd i think 3.5G (i refuse to call hspa+ 4g) will be commonplace byy then.
I was an Android Girl for life..Loved Android and still do...
But now I am a Windows Phone 7 Diva lol
.Idk if you are familiar with phandroid.com and their forums androidforums.com but for the most part they are a good community but extremely biased towards android lol....
So if you have questions about a particular phone, check em out.
My last 4 phones were a: Mytouch 4g, Samsung Captivate, Sony Xperia X10, and Droid X.
Honestly, I will say Android is a great OS. However when buying an Android phone you have to be careful which phone your going to buy.
All the Samsung Galaxy US Variations are still stuck on 2.1 despite being on the market for like 6 months now(and Android 2.3 has been released) making it 2 OS generations behind. Now Android 2.3 is brand spanking new but those phones probably won't be saying that till Spring 2011
Phones like the EVO, Incredible, Most Droids, G2, and mytouch all have 2.2 but again you might not see the current OS(2.3) by Spring 2011 which means by then a brand new OS will be out for it.
However, with windows phone 7. All phones have the same General requirements guaranteeing updates to all devices around the same time.
The User Experience on Android is decent but you have to learn how each specific UI works...Blur, Sense, Stock, Timescape, Touchwiz...Some add functionality and enhance android while removing or not playing nicely with Android.
On Wp7, it is the same general User Experience. I can pick up a Samsung Focus and play with it and understand it the same as my HD7.
If I pick up a Mytouch 4g after having a Droid X, i have to learn..Can't do this like i used to...Or darn, that feature is gone.
I can go on and on.
I say come on over to Windows Phone 7
but if you chose Android I'd recommend any Droid from Verizon and the mytouch 4g for tmobile
carmeng4evr said:
I was an Android Girl for life..Loved Android and still do...
But now I am a Windows Phone 7 Diva lol
.Idk if you are familiar with phandroid.com and their forums androidforums.com but for the most part they are a good community but extremely biased towards android lol....
So if you have questions about a particular phone, check em out.
My last 4 phones were a: Mytouch 4g, Samsung Captivate, Sony Xperia X10, and Droid X.
Honestly, I will say Android is a great OS. However when buying an Android phone you have to be careful which phone your going to buy.
All the Samsung Galaxy US Variations are still stuck on 2.1 despite being on the market for like 6 months now(and Android 2.3 has been released) making it 2 OS generations behind. Now Android 2.3 is brand spanking new but those phones probably won't be saying that till Spring 2011
Phones like the EVO, Incredible, Most Droids, G2, and mytouch all have 2.2 but again you might not see the current OS(2.3) by Spring 2011 which means by then a brand new OS will be out for it.
However, with windows phone 7. All phones have the same General requirements guaranteeing updates to all devices around the same time.
The User Experience on Android is decent but you have to learn how each specific UI works...Blur, Sense, Stock, Timescape, Touchwiz...Some add functionality and enhance android while removing or not playing nicely with Android.
On Wp7, it is the same general User Experience. I can pick up a Samsung Focus and play with it and understand it the same as my HD7.
If I pick up a Mytouch 4g after having a Droid X, i have to learn..Can't do this like i used to...Or darn, that feature is gone.
I can go on and on.
I say come on over to Windows Phone 7
but if you chose Android I'd recommend any Droid from Verizon and the mytouch 4g for tmobile
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i know, but im wondering about the hardware. frankly, it sucks...
I wouldn't say it sucks per say.
I mean is the HD7 the best hardware i've owned? No
However given the actual software's pluses, it makes it
less of an issue....
I'd say my top 5 devices for hardware from 2009-2010
1)Sony Xperia X10--even with that low speaker, it is a sexy device
2)Droid Incredible
3)Samsung Captivate-Pretty
4)HTC evo/HD7- Basically the same device
5)Iphone 4
I've owned quite a few more but these are my top 5 from best to average
There is always the venue pro that comes out in a few days to consider.
But i dont think the HD7 hardware is that bad...the worse part is the camera...Usable but not the best
i agree, the sony xperia is onee sexyy device. xD
evo= +ffc
+8mp.
Xperia x10 is terrible glass and poorly framed
Evo is just a terrible carrier... And nothing should run sense.
Motorola is all crap materials
Captivate CPU is easily overrun then you have a pricy paperweight
IPhones just have the most terrible os ever made.
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i know, but im wondering about the hardware. frankly, it sucks...
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LMAO. how does the hardware on this phone suck exactly? 1Ghz processor with 576 MB RAM and 512 MB ROM, 5MP cam with 720p recording and 16GB of storage isn't enough for you?
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LMAO. how does the hardware on this phone suck exactly? 1Ghz processor with 576 MB RAM and 512 MB ROM, 5MP cam with 720p recording and 16GB of storage isn't enough for you?
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actually, in a phone i'm definitely gonna have for the next two years, i'd rather have a second gen snap and 768MB ram.
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Xperia x10 is terrible glass and poorly framed
Evo is just a terrible carrier... And nothing should run sense.
Motorola is all crap materials
Captivate CPU is easily overrun then you have a pricy paperweight
IPhones just have the most terrible os ever made.
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your post is highly opinionated.
1)evo" [sprint] is a terrible carrier. =opinion.
2)Nothing should run sense. =opinion.
3)Motorola is all crap materials. =my girlfriend has a motorola charm. she dropped that thing from my upstairs onto hardwood, and it still works, no major scratches.
4)Captivate CPU is easily overrun then you have a pricy paperweight. =I've never owned a galaxy S variant, so i cant comment.
5)iPhones just have the most terrible os ever made. =if thats not an opinion, albert einstein was part of Hell's Angels.
6) XPERIA poor glass= never owned one.
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actually, in a phone i'm definitely gonna have for the next two years, i'd rather have a second gen snap and 768MB ram.
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That's pretty ridiculous and over-reaching of you. What you can do then, is wait around for whenever a phone comes out with those specs or create your own franken-phone. The specs on phones right now are fine; they're smartphones, not laptops or tablets. If you're looking to get a phone with a dual core processor and 1GB RAM I think you'll be waiting a good while, so have fun In the meantime, I'll enjoy my HD7 now and in about 2 years when phones with those specs (or better) are available and the kinks have been worked out, I'll upgrade.
I have had a Hero and actually wanted to for desire HD but due to stock issues just decided to go for the Hd 7
I Just love it...
THe Main Point to note is - Microsoft has taken the best of both apple and android and turned it into WM7
I do agree that its a bit early for WM7 but I am sure with updates and more apps in the market we will be rocking by next year.
I definetly would recommend WM7
and I personally love the big screen of the HD 7. dont feel like using my computer anymore
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That's pretty ridiculous and over-reaching of you. What you can do then, is wait around for whenever a phone comes out with those specs or create your own franken-phone. The specs on phones right now are fine; they're smartphones, not laptops or tablets. If you're looking to get a phone with a dual core processor and 1GB RAM I think you'll be waiting a good while, so have fun In the meantime, I'll enjoy my HD7 now and in about 2 years when phones with those specs (or better) are available and the kinks have been worked out, I'll upgrade.
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it's called a myTouch 4G.......
tfn said:
I have had a Hero and actually wanted to for desire HD but due to stock issues just decided to go for the Hd 7
I Just love it...
THe Main Point to note is - Microsoft has taken the best of both apple and android and turned it into WM7
I do agree that its a bit early for WM7 but I am sure with updates and more apps in the market we will be rocking by next year.
I definetly would recommend WM7
and I personally love the big screen of the HD 7. dont feel like using my computer anymore
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thanks!
BTW, its WP7, because they "reinvented and thoroughly refreshed their hardware and software from previous generations. " they dont want people to think its windows mobile all over again.
But, imagine if you lose your phone. most self respecting android geeks have wheres my droid on their phone. if you ever lose your phone, you send a text to it with your codeword, and it rings, and the screen turns into your contact info. You put in a password, and it shuts up. Because, its open source, and apps have access to everything they need. That's the best part of android, IMO.
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actually, in a phone i'm definitely gonna have for the next two years, i'd rather have a second gen snap and 768MB ram.
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Let's put it this way, with WP7 ridiculous specs are not required. The phone in terms of speed runs rings around my old Vibrant, and the Vibrant has arguably better hardware(better GPU) The OS itself is hardware accelerated, Android can't attest to that so they need raw power to get the OS to acceptable speed levels.
Not to mention the hardware drivers are made by the OS manufacturer which means everything's a bit more tightly integrated and made with each other in mind.
Go play with one and see what I mean.
I bought my tab in February. Seemed like a great deal and it really seems so.
But the tab got ridiciliously cheaper and the iPhone is still the same.
My uncle has an iPhone and when I compare it with the Tab with Gingerbread, everything seems fine but, Android gets outdated very fast...
I mean, the iPhone 3G , released in 2008, got outdated last MONTH, by not receiving the 4.3 update.
What about my Galaxy Tab, released in Oct.-Nov. 2010? It hardly got a rom update in 6 months and it doesn't seem like it's getting Honeycomb!
What about Ice Cream Sandwich? No assurance we're getting that either.
And touchscreen sensitivity... the iPhone can feel my SLIGHTEST touch I can feel, this is just for test purposes. My Galaxy Tab sometimes fails to feel the slight touches, sometimes gets very unresponsive. Not that the iPhone doesn't, but it's really rare with the iPhone..
Yeah, I guess I can still trade it for an iPhone but, I don't know really.. iPhone 4 is not likely to get outdated any time soon, but the Galaxy Tab already has successors and already failed to get an OS update, let alone Ice Cream Sandwich. And this just helped me decide that next time I'm going Apple.. My Galaxy Tab was supposed to be a long-time purchase, about 2 years long.
I can relate to a lot of your gripes. I personally go with Android because I don't like Apple's control, but it can be a tough world sometimes.
For example, with the Galaxy Tab, I have the Docomo Japan SC-01C model. I originally tried importing a UK model as I knew the EUR model would get the best support, but it got ridiculous trying to find a site that would export them here to Japan. So, I ended up grabbing the Japanese model.
So now I find that they all (GSM & CDMA US, South America, EUR model, Korean, HK/Asia model, Japanese model) have subtle differences making it extremely confusing knowing whether you can install any cooked ROMs on here. In addition to that, samfirmwares has no listing of ROMs for the SC01C at all, totally out in the cold. It pisses me off that it's made so confusing.
Take now for instance, there's a Gingerbread ROM out, but it's for EUR. I've read a Japanese site that has successfully installed Chainfire's excellent release, but when I emailed him, he indicated he has the HK model. So even on the Japanese sites I can't get any clear idea of whether I will brick my tab trying to install it. I've got the source code for the Japanese model kernel and it does seem to indicate bluetooth differences for a start but I don't know if that's for real or not. All I want to know if the hardware is the same as the EU version so I can debrand the damn thing.
With my iPad, well, if there's news that the iPad 1 has been jailbroken (as it has) it's relevant worldwide! Having said this, I did debrand my HTC Desire to the WWE version, painlessly I might add, so I'd like to focus this criticism at Samsung, as HTC do a better job (except of course for the 32A/32B nonsense with the HTC Magic which naturally I ended up inadvertently buying the inferior of the two from Vodafone when I used to live in London).
aryuautku said:
I bought my tab in February. Seemed like a great deal and it really seems so.
But the tab got ridiciliously cheaper and the iPhone is still the same.
My uncle has an iPhone and when I compare it with the Tab with Gingerbread, everything seems fine but, Android gets outdated very fast...
I mean, the iPhone 3G , released in 2008, got outdated last MONTH, by not receiving the 4.3 update.
What about my Galaxy Tab, released in Oct.-Nov. 2010? It hardly got a rom update in 6 months and it doesn't seem like it's getting Honeycomb!
What about Ice Cream Sandwich? No assurance we're getting that either.
And touchscreen sensitivity... the iPhone can feel my SLIGHTEST touch I can feel, this is just for test purposes. My Galaxy Tab sometimes fails to feel the slight touches, sometimes gets very unresponsive. Not that the iPhone doesn't, but it's really rare with the iPhone..
Yeah, I guess I can still trade it for an iPhone but, I don't know really.. iPhone 4 is not likely to get outdated any time soon, but the Galaxy Tab already has successors and already failed to get an OS update, let alone Ice Cream Sandwich. And this just helped me decide that next time I'm going Apple.. My Galaxy Tab was supposed to be a long-time purchase, about 2 years long.
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i can relate with that too, it juwst sucks, i bought my tab on july 2011 but it seems that i did not get the best deal, this is my first tablet and it's working fiine I love it but it's just that theres no update on it since 2 weeksa after i bought it
I'm sure if you went to the Apple Store you still can buy an iphone...
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I'm sure if you went to the Apple Store you still can buy an iphone...
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read again.
I wouldn't confuse outdated with updated. Apple updates their devices less frequently than android. It doesn't make their software better.
sometimes I wish I had chicken for lunch.
Well...I've had it for a couple months, and Dell has still not delivered on their promise of official Honeycomb.
I just got hired for a job, and should have a few hundred by the end of the month.
The Asus transformer meets all my needs - an official Honeycomb tablet, it can be used as a notebook (it has a docking keyboard and can be flashed to dual-boot linux) and there are already plans for a Transformer 2, which depending on price, I may wait for (running a Tegra 3 quad-core.)
So, I'm highly considering switching to Asus.
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Well...I've had it for a couple months, and Dell has still not delivered on their promise of official Honeycomb.
I just got hired for a job, and should have a few hundred by the end of the month.
The Asus transformer meets all my needs - an official Honeycomb tablet, it can be used as a notebook (it has a docking keyboard and can be flashed to dual-boot linux) and there are already plans for a Transformer 2, which depending on price, I may wait for (running a Tegra 3 quad-core.)
So, I'm highly considering switching to Asus.
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Ditto... Dell is suckin it up when it comes to support.
Do it. I hate this thing. Steve has done so much and it's still only bearable. I used it for like the first month I had it and went back to using my much smaller phone. Mainly due to the terrible display. Unfortunately there is no rom that can improve a display. I can't even sell it. People use it and there like oh no thanks. I may have to pay someone to take it away lol. But for realz tho. I would sell it if I were you. Just hope you have an easier time of it than I am.
Edited because I'm tired and shiz didn't make sense.
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I have both the transformer and the streak . I like them both. To each there own.
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You people crack me up and I'm not saying this to be mean, but why would you buy a device on hopes that it may or may not be upgraded. Think about it, staples ad's and website say OTA Honeycomb Upgradable, and Dell's website just says something like OTA Upgradable. To me that doesn't say it will be it says it can be. If and when this gets upgraded it would be 3.2, but you can't just snap your fingers and say here it is. That's not to say that Dell is working on an upgrade because I don't know. I'm not sure what angles you are using this at, but the angles I use it at to view e-mails, read a book are fine for me. I mean I wouldn't have paid $300 for the WiFi only (which is what I have) nor would I have locked myself into a contract with it, but I gladly bought it with the $100 off coupon and I did have to return my first one because the capacitive buttons weren't working. You can't buy technology on hopes and promises, you have to research and decide if the device as is will fulfill your needs. If not don't buy it. This for me is doing everything I need it to as is. I want Honeycomb as much as the next person, but what this device has been out what at total of 6 months or something and honeycomb has been available for less than that. I've had my droid 2 for a year and Verizon still has yet to roll out Gingerbread for it (I did however get tired of waiting and flashed CM7 on it).
If you are leaving and you say you cant sell it easy, ill buy it from you if you make me a good enough deal. I love my ds7. Ill get one for my wife
Let me know!
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You people crack me up and I'm not saying this to be mean, but why would you buy a device on hopes that it may or may not be upgraded. Think about it, staples ad's and website say OTA Honeycomb Upgradable, and Dell's website just says something like OTA Upgradable. To me that doesn't say it will be it says it can be. If and when this gets upgraded it would be 3.2, but you can't just snap your fingers and say here it is. That's not to say that Dell is working on an upgrade because I don't know. I'm not sure what angles you are using this at, but the angles I use it at to view e-mails, read a book are fine for me. I mean I wouldn't have paid $300 for the WiFi only (which is what I have) nor would I have locked myself into a contract with it, but I gladly bought it with the $100 off coupon and I did have to return my first one because the capacitive buttons weren't working. You can't buy technology on hopes and promises, you have to research and decide if the device as is will fulfill your needs. If not don't buy it. This for me is doing everything I need it to as is. I want Honeycomb as much as the next person, but what this device has been out what at total of 6 months or something and honeycomb has been available for less than that. I've had my droid 2 for a year and Verizon still has yet to roll out Gingerbread for it (I did however get tired of waiting and flashed CM7 on it).
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Go to Dell automated support and search Honeycomb. It says there WILL be Honeycomb. They didn't say that it's upgradeable, they said there would be an upgrade. In fact, I think if there is not a Honeycomb upgrade, it may be enough that someone can take a class-action against them. And you make a good point that the tablet has been out longer than the OS, but that can cut both ways. This means Dell had the hardware plenty long to create a Honeycomb build for it...if they were going to, I don't see why it wouldn't have been done by now.
pyraxiate said:
If you are leaving and you say you cant sell it easy, ill buy it from you if you make me a good enough deal. I love my ds7. Ill get one for my wife
Let me know!
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I am considering keeping it as a backup or to carry around, even if I get the transformer (7 inch is easier for me.) But if I do decide to sell it, I'll tell you
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I am considering keeping it as a backup or to carry around, even if I get the transformer (7 inch is easier for me.) But if I do decide to sell it, I'll tell you
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I bought mine with the staples deal because it was a 7 inch tablet with nice speakers and a tegra 2 processor and the two cameras. It is a good deal for 200.00. If HC gets on here that is a bonus for me.
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I bought mine with the staples deal because it was a 7 inch tablet with nice speakers and a tegra 2 processor and the two cameras. It is a good deal for 200.00. If HC gets on here that is a bonus for me.
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I picked mine up for 200 brand new in box unopened and a new unopened otterbox commuter case. I love craigslist lol. So far overall im pleased with it. Screen resolution with rdp is acceptable. I use mine tethered to my 50 / Month cricket kyocera zio phone. Their internet speed is so much better than at&t 3g service. With a 7 inch screen I wouldn't want a higher resolution. A higher resolution means everything would be tiny in rdp (I need to use it while driving like a touchscreen mobile workstation) and so far with a bluetooth keyboard it does nicely. The viewing angle isn't the best but acceptable. Im not even pressed for hc because it does EVERYTHING it should without a hitch ( rdp, netflix, movies, game console emulators, 3-4 hrs battery w/ heavy usage, ect). You get the storage graphics and processor of the large tablets ....but also something even better. IT FITS IN YOUR BACK POCKET!!!!!!!!! (Im a smaller guy w/ a 30 inch waist and it fits easily in any pair of Levi or old navy rear pants pocket I have
Just my opinion though.
bluesy_92, you're talking about this link: www5 dot nohold dot net/Dell/Loginr.aspx?pid=7&Streak=Streak%205&login=1&userrole=USen which is not even on the dell website, and holds no merit in my opinion. I would look at this: www dot dell dot com/us/p/mobile-streak-7/pd click on tech specs and it clearly states "Android™ 2.2 (Froyo) with Over the Air Upgrade Capability". Class action suit? So if my laptop is not compatible with the next version of Windows or Linux, I should go after the manufacturer of the laptop, or I can't run OSX (not that I would want to) on my laptop should I go after Apple or HP? The fact is, that Honeycomb 3 and 3.1 had well documented problems with the 7" screen size so since 3.2 which is said to fix this has only been available for what a few weeks, if that? So while I agree we need Honeycomb, I'm patient enough for Dell and Google to get it right. Google hasn't even released the source yet because it's just not done. Would you rather have a device that is at least IMO stable on 2.2.2 or a device that may or may not be stable on Honeycomb as it stands? Why are there no Honeycomb 7" tablets on the market currently? I mean even searching for the Chinese brands there are none. When we get it, if we get it, it will be awesome, but as it stands I'm happy having a device that actually works for me, this is not my first tablet, in fact it's my 4th.
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bluesy_92, you're talking about this link: www5 dot nohold dot net/Dell/Loginr.aspx?pid=7&Streak=Streak%205&login=1&userrole=USen which is not even on the dell website, and holds no merit in my opinion. I would look at this: www dot dell dot com/us/p/mobile-streak-7/pd click on tech specs and it clearly states "Android™ 2.2 (Froyo) with Over the Air Upgrade Capability". Class action suit? So if my laptop is not compatible with the next version of Windows or Linux, I should go after the manufacturer of the laptop, or I can't run OSX (not that I would want to) on my laptop should I go after Apple or HP? The fact is, that Honeycomb 3 and 3.1 had well documented problems with the 7" screen size so since 3.2 which is said to fix this has only been available for what a few weeks, if that? So while I agree we need Honeycomb, I'm patient enough for Dell and Google to get it right. Google hasn't even released the source yet because it's just not done. Would you rather have a device that is at least IMO stable on 2.2.2 or a device that may or may not be stable on Honeycomb as it stands? Why are there no Honeycomb 7" tablets on the market currently? I mean even searching for the Chinese brands there are none. When we get it, if we get it, it will be awesome, but as it stands I'm happy having a device that actually works for me, this is not my first tablet, in fact it's my 4th.
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A computer being compatible with the next version of Windows is a different matter - unless it is specifically stated that it will be compatible.
As it stands now, it says 2.2 on the Dell website, because that is the current OS. The fact that is says that there WILL, not MIGHT, be an upgrade, means they need to deliver. And as far as I'm concerned, there are already 7 inch tablets planned for release on Honeycomb 3.2, and we've had the hardware MUCH longer than they have, Dell had time. At the very least, if Honeycomb isn't coming out anytime soon, they can at least acknowledge it, rather than pretending it doesn't exist, and say straight-up that there is going to be a wait.
Oh, and if you haven't been here last week, Dell Mobility was telling people that Honeycomb was already being pushed to devices, despite the fact the update was never pushed. Also, this was around the time of the Staples deal. Any company that lies to their user-base to get sales, does not deserve them.
Yes, 2.2 is very stable, but Dells customer support - not so much.
I understand what you're saying but believe you are missing my point. Yes there are 7" versions planned to be released, like the Acer Iconia A100, which was supposed to come out earlier this year, but has yet to come out due to the issues with Honeycomb and screen size, not that there may not have been hardware issues or something but what I read was mainly honeycomb. Even the much hyped Vizio tablet is shipping with Android 2.3, because as they state "Honeycomb is just not stable, once we feel it's stable we will consider an upgrade". Now don't misunderstand me, yes the tablet we have is Honeycomb compatible, I have yet to find anything on the Dell website that states it WILL get it, though I have read that it was announced at CES that it WILL get it. I believe it will get it. And yes I did read the posts on here regarding Dell telling people it was being pushed when it wasn't. The biggest problem with companies is over promising and under delivering, personally I am not a Dell person (and actually hate the company) and had a hard time actually purchasing a Dell product. But purchased this device based on the hardware and my needs, that and the $100 off, but did not read forums before making my purchase so as not to be swayed. My business partner has the 7" Galaxy tab, and made her ask Verizon before getting locked in if it would ever see Honeycomb, they flat out told her no. Now the staples website does state "Android™ 2.2-based tablet with over-the-air upgrade capability to Android™ 3.0 (Honeycomb). Upgrade date TBA." But I still say, make your purchases based on if the device fills your need as is, not what the device could be. I have had my share of crappy support from Dell in the past with business computers, so much as to tell them to go f$$# themselves I'm voiding the warranty and fixing it myself.
I flip flop like a politician on this tablet. Some days I hate it some days I love it.
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best $199 tablet in the market
This is best tablet for $199...even with honeystreak thanks djsteve...7 inch tablet perfect size,I use this more than my ipad 2....
Yeah dell will probably not update the streak 7 since 10 inch dell streak pro coming out in Sept..if they do it will be updated with froyo 2.2.3 not honeycomb but who knows for sure...if you go website it doesnt look promising...we will see hopefully we do get update honeycomb-----
Maybe they're holding out in order to release IceCreamSandwich. Why release HC when everyone will be screaming for ice cream? You scream, I scream...we all scream for ice cream.
sdelliott31 said:
I bought mine with the staples deal because it was a 7 inch tablet with nice speakers and a tegra 2 processor and the two cameras. It is a good deal for 200.00. If HC gets on here that is a bonus for me.
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Ditto here. I really like my Archos 70S tablet which pretty much has the same general specs, screen resolution, limited viewing angle, Android 2.2.x, etc. Since its from Archos it plays tons of media even formats the Streak can't. Much lighter than the Streak with better battery life too.
Yet with all that, I think the $200 I paid for my Streak at the Staples sale is a bargain. This is an official Google approved device so no need for a hack just to get market. Has a built-in GPS and enough system memory and storage to run a ton of apps at the same time and have a plethora of downloaded programs to run. The Archos 256 M of memory and 300 M of app storage is quite limiting, but then it was designed with a price point way cheaper than the Streak. So no Gorilla glass either. No dock although it does have a USB port on the device which is handy and a mini HDMI port that I much prefer on a dock like the Streak.
Add to that the Tegra2 chipset on the streak, the capacity to vibrate (I assume that's part of being a Google approved device), a compass (ditto) and there's nothing like it on the market.
Getting HC is just gravy as far as I'm concerned.
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I picked mine up for 200 brand new in box unopened and a new unopened otterbox commuter case. I love craigslist lol. So far overall im pleased with it. Screen resolution with rdp is acceptable. I use mine tethered to my 50 / Month cricket kyocera zio phone. Their internet speed is so much better than at&t 3g service. With a 7 inch screen I wouldn't want a higher resolution. A higher resolution means everything would be tiny in rdp (I need to use it while driving like a touchscreen mobile workstation) and so far with a bluetooth keyboard it does nicely. The viewing angle isn't the best but acceptable. Im not even pressed for hc because it does EVERYTHING it should without a hitch ( rdp, netflix, movies, game console emulators, 3-4 hrs battery w/ heavy usage, ect). You get the storage graphics and processor of the large tablets ....but also something even better. IT FITS IN YOUR BACK POCKET!!!!!!!!! (Im a smaller guy w/ a 30 inch waist and it fits easily in any pair of Levi or old navy rear pants pocket I have
Just my opinion though.
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I agree, its really the only tablet that you CAN fit in your pocket, and as far as the viewing goes its not like your displaying it for a whole room to view it at once, by a big screen tv at that...
Which one has the better specs? And which one would run CM7 better?
OK I have a Flyer so I can kinda tell.
1. Speed
Flyer is probably faster, 1.0 GHz Dual-Core vs 1.5 GHz Sing-Core - B&N probably will use their scaled down slow version of Android
2. ROMs
Nook Tablet wins right on. The Flyer has only 3-4 custom ROM's all of which are just a few tweaks from stock.
3. Compatibility.
Both - If you want a dev device to play around with - NT cause it has an unlocked boot loader
Speed, official Market, working right out of from the box, - Flyer, cause it just works.
Price: 250 for NT 300 for Flyer
I think the Flyer is better here offering more features (camera, magic pen, etc) for only an extra $50.
Winner: You decide. Summary:
Nook Tablet: Cheaper, Hackable, Lot's of Development
Flyer: Works OOBE, full android, market official, updates from manufacture, extra features
Hmm, when you put it like that, it seems like a no brainer.
My GF and I both have Nook Colors (purchased looong before the Flyer even came out) but are looking to sell them and upgrade this Xmas. I was thinking Nook Tablet, but then thought about the $299 Flyer.
When you put it like that, it seems like there's just no contest. $50 for full Android and cameras, Bluetooth etc... Why bother with the Nook Tablet?
Well some people like the ability to flash really cool and modded ROM's, and remember - The Flyer is brick able. I actually bricked mine trying to install HC. Not for the average careless hacker.
How much is community support worth to you, vs the extra features?
That's really the question. The NC has the largest community support of any Android tablet. It's one of the few tablets that has CM support. It'll be one of the first to run CM9. The Nook Tab will most likely take over that mantle.
From the latest HTC announcement, the Flyer isn't on the ICS update list,
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-ice-cream-sandwich-update-range-revealed-07193496/
which means that custom ROM will be the only route. But its dev community, as pointed out, is weak. The Flyer's extra features like 3G will cause complications. Stylus support/app is tied into the Sense UI, and is another complication. The Flyer is close to being EOL'ed, and its community support won't get much better than what it is today.
Yet another consideration is that the OMAP4 is said to be the dev platform for ICS. We don't know where the Flyer's QualComm APQ8055 stands. It may well be the complication that prevents HTC from announcing an ICS update.
All of this sums up to say that ICS for NT is a pretty solid bet, and that it will one of the first. For the Flyer, the ICS picture is considerably more clouded.
My opinion is that if you're happy running 2.3 (Sense) and ICS isn't a big deal, then the Flyer is a better deal for its extra features. But if ICS is important, then the NT gets the nod.
I had a Nook Color with CM7 and returned it for my Flyer. Although the Nook Tablet has some nice enhancements for the same price, it's just not a comparable device since my Flyer includes active digitizer, front & back cameras, crophone, GPS, and full Android market. The later is particualrly important since we have Kindle, Nook , and ePub books, which I can read all on my Flyer - no lock in. On top of that, as an Amazon prime memeber, I get all of the same advantages of the Kindle Fire (except the one free book loan per month).
Granted, the user community around the Nook is extraordinary, but since my Flyer already has full Android 2.3 support, that is betting on the Nook getting ICS before Flyer gets HC...I'll take that chance in favor of all of the hardware advantages.
If the Tab S1 does not get v6 Marshmallow I will not be buying another Samsung tablet or phone again, "cross my heart and hope to die, stick a needle in my eye"
John.
Yeah, I don't think samsung cares if you or everyone on XDA don't buy their products. We make up less than 1% of their market. To answer your question, I will probably buy another samsung tablet if my tab S dies as I bought this device without really expecting any modifications through firmware updates. One should not buy a product with hopes of future improvements, except for maybe nexus ones.
Well i am still on kitkat as the buggy v5.0.2 lollipop is a joke, we did not even get the stable v5.1, I have had to disable half the apps and turn off sync to reduced the crazy battery drain while in sleep mode, so V6 mashmallow is my only hope for a stable low sleep drain without disabling everything.
John.
The screen (LED, aspect ratio, and resolution) and physical home button are the primary reasons I got this tablet. Those are more important than OS since custom ROMS are available. My previous tablet was a Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4, which never got LP. So I installed CM 12. I'll install CM13 on this tablet if Samsung never updates it.
In regards to battery life, I keep it on airplane mode all the time and turn off WIFI when I'm not going to use the tablet for more than 8 hours. I'm running IronKernel with the developer's suggested settings.
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My mom has a Galaxy Tab 4. She doesn't know what OS it has, nor does she care. My wife hates updates on her Samsung and Apple devices. She calls them "downdates" because they make unwanted changes and she has to learn how to use the device all over again.
When I bought this tablet I was aware how awful Samsung updates are.
But I don't have regrets because it was pretty cheap when I bought it and in my country there is not much options: you have to go for LG, Samsung, Apple or non-brand tablets.
If you ignore the lack of official support and the capacitative buttons it is a really good device.
I'm on 5.0.2 and I use my tablet quite a lot. I get very good performance and average to good battery life. I don't really get what people are ranting about. Look at the market today. This device is the best in class in terms of price. Don't even get me going on the screen.
Why wouldn't a customer expect firmware updates for a premium device that cost me £400 new? To stop supporting flagship devices (which this was) less than two years old is ridiculous and will stop people buying their products (it will stop me) when other companies do.
Considering the fact that several sources say we are getting the update I don't feel the need to worry.
But yes I would order another tablet from Samsung.
The day you picked up the phone, you bought it as it is with no attached promise to update. That simple.
I bought it for the hardware more than the OS update since the OS changes are not know at the time it was bought. I return my TabPro 10.1 for my Tab S 10.5 because the specs were much better.
I had an Asus Tranformer Prime prior to my Samsung Tab and I hated it because of the hardware issues it had. I would buy another TabS in an heart beat.
No, obviously.
Like a few others I primarily bought the hardware (AMOLED 16:10) over the firmware version. To support that comment, just a few days ago I pulled my Nexus 10 unused out of the closet. That device never officially received Marshmallow but there was OmniROM v6.0.1 that became available. It was easy to flash and you can feel that Marshmallow makes the N10 a smoother experience. With that real life experience behind me and my TabS warranty up in May/2016, I'll just flash a TabS Marshmallow ROM at that time assuming nothing comes from Samsung.
I will not argue with you that Samsung is pitiful with regard to timely updates and even how long they support their devices. To my mind they should sell a touchwize version and a vanilla Android version at no discount. They may just find that more people buy the vanilla version and they can save themselves a lot of software development money.
I've already posted my findings of how bad Samsung is at software development when I went to theme touchwize. Their lack of basic software development practices prevents them from any rapid deployment of updates.
If put in charge of there OS software group I'd fire the managers on the spot, implement tight controls and fire any developer who does not adhere. The cost saving, increase in issuing updates and reputation improvement would be staggering, especially with so many devices to support.
As long as they're what I consider the better option, yeah. Software updates are just part of the equation. And I'll take oled over updates any day.
The original question posed by the OP implies implicitly that the "fact" that Marshmallow is not coming to Tab S is some kind of a terrible tragedy. But is it really a tragedy? I am on a stock Lollipop, and I think the experience is great. Nice, smooth, functional gui. Easy to root and modify. All apps work, and Android apps will support 5.0 for a long, long time.
if it 2x spec upgrade from tab S + 16:9/16:10 screen then maybe.
other than that, I'll hold
not much tablet option that have simcard + good specs.
Don't get me wrong. I think the tablet is very good. However I could only buy the 16GB version when it came out thinking that Lollipop was going to give the full micro SD card marshmallow does. As we all know it does not. IF Samsung do update it will be a superb tablet. They need to stop making so many devices if they cannot update them!
Not sure. This was my first and only tablet to be honest.
Do I like what I purchased? Yes I use it a lot, actually more then I thought I would. Its my go to mobile media consumption, internet, show watching, mobile gaming device (thanks to emulators).
Do I like Samsungs horrible support? Of course not. But thanks for places like XDA, do we really need to rely on Samsung to give us a great rom?
I wont be buying another tablet until something BIG with breakthrough technology comes along.
For now, I am content with what I have, even though I feel I overpaid for it lol
I will absolutely not buy another Samsung device... period. between this and my note 4.. I am done with the bloatware and crap software added on. 100% nexus in the future
I would go Nexus, but the fact they have no sd card slot is a game changer for me.
If they release a tablet with 4K super amoled and same aspect ratio to the Tab S1 then I probably would. Still the best in class screen IMO...