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Windows 7 Beta

Microsoft just opened up Windows 7.... Just when Vista is even more screwed up. Either way it looks cool.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/beta-videos.aspx
Check it out.

What about compatibility with programs and games? Did u try it?

I never really had any issues with Vista but from what i've played with in Windows 7 it's fantastic.

Hyden121 said:
Microsoft just opened up Windows Mbile 7.... Just when Vista is even more screwed up. Either way it looks cool.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/beta-videos.aspx
Check it out.
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i take you really mean just windows 7....as your links states and not mobile
i have windows 7 x64 and i must say its really impressed me

7 is so cool
Im on Windows 7 x64 too and its the dogs, really loving it.
All those still on Vista, I suggest you burn your hard drive and get Windows 7, its everything Vista should of been
On a side note - anyone know when HTC devices are going to be supported on Device Stage???
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/devices.aspx

duncstar said:
Im on Windows 7 x64 too and its the dogs, really loving it.
All those still on Vista, I suggest you burn your hard drive and get Windows 7, its everything Vista should of been
On a side note - anyone know when HTC devices are going to be supported on Device Stage???
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/devices.aspx
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I suspect we'll at the very least see the Diamond, Touch Pro and maybe the Blackstone (depending if the guys at MS have one I guess), I'm also not seeing any PPC powered devices on this list so they could still be seperate?
Do you know if this includes devices connected via a network share? On one of my networks I have a brother MFC that's connected to one of my switches and it's a bit of a PITA to manage.

windows 7 x64 rocks
i really like the new interface of windows 7 especially the new task bar....and its works like a charm....

hidden_hunter said:
I suspect we'll at the very least see the Diamond, Touch Pro and maybe the Blackstone (depending if the guys at MS have one I guess), I'm also not seeing any PPC powered devices on this list so they could still be seperate?
Do you know if this includes devices connected via a network share? On one of my networks I have a brother MFC that's connected to one of my switches and it's a bit of a PITA to manage.
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I dont mate sorry

I just downloaded it finally but will try it when I get home close to my restoral CD's. I am interesting in the newer device center. Other than that my major questions were pertaining to games and graphics. We all know how the majority of us got jacked over with Vista when it was released with KNOWN graphics problems. If Microsoft ignores the gaming community they will find that many loyal fans who have not left yet will go towards Linux or Apple. I have always loved Linux over MS anyway but have gained a newer resect for apple.... Well kind of.

Bogus
Original post indicates it is win mob 7. WRONG!!!
It is actually Windows 7 OS beta release which is probably what Vista should have been.

4 days of 7 x64...it's amazing. About Device Stage, I think there was something on MSDN about that. I'll go dig it up, I guess. In the end, it's all XML and *should* be pretty easy to do.

I've been running Win7 x64 since Sunday with no issues whatsoever. So far, I love it. It's great. The redesigned taskbar is very intuitive and easy to use. I love the new network manager applet; it behaves like network-manager in Linux. That is, a single click shows a menu-style list of available networks, and another click will get you connected. Win7 also (finally) includes native support for burning ISO images, which makes me thrilled.
I'm not so thrilled that it inherited UAC (running UAC is like always wearing a condom in case you trip, slip, and fall on a prostitute in the shady back room of a hotel in a bad neighborhood), but it's at least got better controls for it via msconfig. Still, I straight-up disable that crap.
Also, the Action Center does a great job alerting the user about potential hardware issues, and it gave me direct download links for getting the proper drivers for my HP dv6700 notebook's card and fingerprint readers.
Additionally, it seems much snappier than Vista. I'm sure that will change in the final release, especially once OEMs get to bog it down with their bloatware, but it's nice for now.
Only complaint is that Chrome won't run on Win7
Other than that, way to go MS!

I've had Win 7 of my laptop for a few months, the only issue I have is it doesn't really work when browsing my network.
I installed the leaked build 6801 back then, since the public release I ran windows update and nothing happened. Does that mean I need to clean install the new release?

I´ll wait for a stable version, just geting used to vista and I´m not an expert so I prefer to wait a few months

What do you mean? This version is stable?
Many people are saying they think really it's past beta and about ready to be launched...

orb3000 said:
I´ll wait for a stable version, just geting used to vista and I´m not an expert so I prefer to wait a few months
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AndyCr15 said:
What do you mean? This version is stable?
Many people are saying they think really it's past beta and about ready to be launched...
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It is EXTREMELY stable. I haven't been able to crash it yet, and believe me, I've been trying.
And it dual (or triple, in my case) boots quite well, so you've got nothing to lose if you want to give it a 20GB partition just to play with it. The current licenses are only good til 1 August anyway, so I'm not looking to use it as a permanent solution.
And it's really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, easy to use. So dive in

liamhere said:
i take you really mean just windows 7....as your links states and not mobile
Yes, Windows 7 was the correct title of the thread but I did catch that I states windows 7 mobile in opening thread box. Sorry about that everyone. I was rading articles on Windows Mobile 7 and looking at Windows 7 at the same time. I have high expectations for both. I will be installing Windows 7 tonight and I will let you know how it runs on my laptop. Hopefully it better manages video memory than Vista does...
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codesplice said:
Only complaint is that Chrome won't run on Win7
Other than that, way to go MS!
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crome doesn't (I don't use it though, because their security is abysmal it's on the same level as safari on windows. but to every man his own) but it does work, you have to run the exe with a certain argument. search at live.com or google.com to find it. I saw it today in my RSS reader.
I'll try to find it for you.
EDIT: here you go http://i.gizmodo.com/5130150/how-to-run-chrome-on-64+bit-windows-7

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crome doesn't (I don't use it though) but it does work, you have to run the exe with a certain argument. search at live.com or google.com to find it. I saw it today in my RSS reader.
I'll try to find it for you.
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Found it!
Thanks for letting me know there is a fix
For the rest of yous, you need to add –in-process-plugins to the shortcut launcher command.
Off to go try it.
EDIT: IT WORKS!
Source: http://www.blogsdna.com/1900/how-to-run-google-chrome-on-windows-7-64-bit-version.htm

I didn't check to see if this was in Vista but I just seen in 7 that I can set my background to change in intervals. I set my windows color to clear, so when my backgournd changes its like the window color changes too. I'm gonna check if its in Vista.

Best windows xp to windows 7 converter?

For the po' folk who really can't afford either windows 7 or a new pc, there are several sites dedicated to making windows xp look as close as possible to windows 7. Have any of you tried any, and if so, which ones are recommended?

telegraph0000 said:
For the po' folk who really can't afford either windows 7 or a new pc, there are several sites dedicated to making windows xp look as close as possible to windows 7. Have any of you tried any, and if so, which ones are recommended?
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I hope you have a fast pc....
Best way is buying win7

I have a pentium 4, 3.06gHz, 2.49gb ram....is this decent?

id say so, whats the graphics card like?
I have it running on my 4 yr old laptop with pentium m 1.73GHz, 2gb of ram, 64mb graphics.
The only issue is graphics are very laggy, never realised it till i built a new desktop... But turn off aero and its perfect! Fast and snappy.

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I have a pentium 4, 3.06gHz, 2.49gb ram....is this decent?
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i would always recommend you to stick to default xp look or get actual win7 .....all the so called transformation packs will badly affect the performance ,regardless your comp specs

This may be a question better answered by visiting http://www.wincustomize.com/ They have a forum that helps with stuff like this and browsing the site itself may help you find the best customization route.

Windows xp on Samsung Galaxy Tab

Are there any posibilities that we can run Windows xp on the tablet some day?
i've seen a video that runs ubuntu, i dont want to see the word "ubuntu" in this whole thread please, thanks.
if there are possibilities.. how can we start, should i make a facebook page where we all manifest our feelings?
Reason in my case: i have some especial software that only run on windows xp, and also a couple of games specially Ragnarok Online (private server) that i play.

What I'd be a lot more interested in is a version of wine running on the Tab, either directly (which seems rather unlikely) or inside that brilliant OS that you don't want mentioned.

I wouldnt use windows xp to use any internet browser
because i'm sick of the Spyware/Malware BS! but some software would be nice like:
GRAPHICAL ftp client, DreamWeaver, Macromedia Flash, Notepad ++
i'm an amateur Web designer

atomiq said:
Are there any posibilities that we can run Windows xp on the tablet some day?
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None whatsoever!
Tab is ARM based, not x86 based. The only "hope" would be an VM, but even if someone could be bothered, performance would likely be dreadful.
Ubuntu is open source and has been ported to ARM.
Regards,
Dave

Won't ever happen, and it would run like total dog**** if it did.
You can already play your hacked MMO on a cheap netbook, and as primitive as Ragnarok is, that's all you need.

Croak said:
Won't ever happen, and it would run like total dog**** if it did.
You can already play your hacked MMO on a cheap netbook, and as primitive as Ragnarok is, that's all you need.
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No, i already have e netbook, and ragnarok is not priority, the other software are.
so far we dont have a professional answer :|

atomiq said:
No, i already have e netbook, and ragnarok is not priority, the other software are.
so far we dont have a professional answer :|
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You already have a professional answer...
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Originally Posted by atomiq
Are there any posibilities that we can run Windows xp on the tablet some day?
None whatsoever!
Tab is ARM based, not x86 based. The only "hope" would be an VM, but even if someone could be bothered, performance would likely be dreadful.
Ubuntu is open source and has been ported to ARM.
Regards,
Dave
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Learn2read

How would anyone benefit from running win xp, or any windows os for that matter, on a sgt? What would be the purpose?!

crippleb0y said:
How would anyone benefit from running win xp, or any windows os for that matter, on a sgt? What would be the purpose?!
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It's for the mentally retarded who live on Facebook using WindowsXP

atomiq said:
Are there any posibilities that we can run Windows xp on the tablet some day?
i've seen a video that runs ubuntu, i dont want to see the word "ubuntu" in this whole thread please, thanks.
if there are possibilities.. how can we start, should i make a facebook page where we all manifest our feelings?
Reason in my case: i have some especial software that only run on windows xp, and also a couple of games specially Ragnarok Online (private server) that i play.
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I had a 7inch tablet running windows xp. the tablet was great, the software was something that stiil seek me in my nightmare.
Now I'm trying to put android in it.
Simply put. windows xp wasn't and will not be a tablet os. Ever.
Sent from my Galaxy Tab

atomiq said:
i've seen a video that runs ubuntu, i dont want to see the word "ubuntu" in this whole thread please, thanks.
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Ubuntu! Oh I'm sorry your majesty, I'll get to work on an arm version of windows xp right away.
You could use a remote desktop client to connect to a windows xp machine. There is absolutely no way to run windows xp natively and there never will be.
Sent from my galaxy tab

acolwill said:
It's for the mentally retarded who live on Facebook using WindowsXP
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Judging by the ragnarok online ref, probably just an entitled tween with too much money.
Sent from my galaxy tab

acolwill said:
It's for the mentally retarded who live on Facebook using WindowsXP
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there would not be anything wrong with browsing facebook on the win xp, the facebook app for the android totally sucks

bump. bumb.

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bump. bumb.
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This has already been answered - why are you bumping it?
Just because you don't like the answer you've been?
It is not possible - move on!
Regards,
Dave

sup atomix. As everyone else already stated the GT's cpu is arm based, hence no native winders.
However rdp/vnc/cloud connections to both real and virtual windows machine is definitely doable.
I saw an interesting article in Engadget the other day. Looks like onlive will be serving up their cloud based gaming with a side of windows 7. Maybe this will be helpful for you.
Sorry I would post the Engadget link but I just registered to this forum as I just got my tab TODAY!!!!!!
engadget(insert dot here)com/2010/12/07/onlive-demos-windows-7-on-an-ipad-and-galaxy-tab-launches-cloud/

the CLOUD sucks tytyty
any recomendations for my purpose?

The 'Cloud' as you refer to as 'sucks' is the internets.
If your 'Clouds' 'suck' then I suggest you invest in faster internets.
or
Ask Santa Claus nicely to get you a new windows laptop for Christmas and donate your fantastic Galaxy Tab to a more deserving individual.
or
Throw yourself off a bridge and stop bringing this thread back to life.

tried ubuntu on the tab and runs extremely slugish, i'ts out of the question..
any 7 inch or smaller tablet that would run windows xp?
i said TABLET not netbook, i already have a dell 10v but is way too bulky to take back and forth from city to city

the tab i need, needs to be the closest to the galaxy tab 7" or smaller display size
with at least 5hrs of battery, open a resolution of 1024px width
sim card slot with aws band support, wi-fi, at least 32mb video card
etc..

Asus Eee Pad Transformer: Can it run Windows?

This is the closest forum I found to ask this question...
It's supposed to be priced at $400. Which makes it $150 more than, the Nook Color.
If this is true, you gain dual-core processors, 1GB RAM, 10.1" IPS display, and a removable keyboard (Assuming- it's factored into the $400).
Smashing good deal, I'd say.
However- my main complaint of all tablets (at least in this price range)... Is they don't run a full OS. The hardware on the Eee Pad Transformer suggest to me, it could viably run Windows on it in a dual-boot situation... I was just wondering if anyone had heard anything on doing this?
If so- it makes this an amazing device.

The problem with Windows is that the GUI and applications are designed around mouse usage. This will be an issue with any OS GUI not designed around touch. So it won't be as amazing as you think. Consider how difficult it will be to use toolbars with tiny buttons, use the taskbar (tiny icons), select things in dropdown menus, etc. You'd really need a stylus to get anywhere.
I suggest you look at netbooks if you want Windows. I have an EeePC 900 that I've been using for years and frankly it is vastly more usable than tablets thus far for a number of reasons.

There's no way to run Windows on a Tegra 2 or any other ARM-based platform except maybe through emulation. Also, the $400 price point for the Transformer would not include the keyboard.

Actually Windows 7 was designed with touch input in mind so while your statement might hold true to XP and earlier, you obviously haven't used Windows 7
I'm not worried about if Windows will work on a touch device as much as... Hardware support and if it's even possible (how it'd boot from a flash drive, for example)

AZImmortal said:
There's no way to run Windows on a Tegra 2 or any other ARM-based platform except maybe through emulation. Also, the $400 price point for the Transformer would not include the keyboard.
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OK- this is what I was looking for. So it won't run on Tegra 2...... Answers my question.
I am with you: I wouldn't assume the $400 included it but I've seen some product pages to suggest otherwise, I'm waiting to see. Even if the keyboard cost $100... Putting it the same price as the iPad... A tablet with no keyboard or a tablet with a keyboard: no brainer- the Eee Pad still gets the edge.

TexUs said:
Actually Windows 7 was designed with touch input in mind so while your statement might hold true to XP and earlier, you obviously haven't used Windows 7
I'm not worried about if Windows will work on a touch device as much as... Hardware support and if it's even possible (how it'd boot from a flash drive, for example)
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I use Windows XP, Vista and 7 every day, but I haven't touched a Win7 tablet PC. Windows 7 might be designed for touch but the applications, the whole reason to use Windows over another OS, will still be a problem. Not many apps are designed with touch in mind.
My EeePC 900 uses "flash drives" to boot Windows. it has a 4GB and 16GB SSD. It's pretty quick even though the SSDs are slow. It's that instant access time and relatively quick read speed, but the write speed is awful. Or are you referring to booting from SD? Which would probably entail some sort of fancy bootloader.... It is possible to boot Windows from USB so SD may be possible.

swaaye said:
I use Windows XP, Vista and 7 every day, but I haven't touched a Win7 tablet PC. Windows 7 might be designed for touch but the applications, the whole reason to use Windows over another OS, will still be a problem. Not many apps are designed with touch in mind.
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That's true but that's where the keyboard and touchpad picks up the slack.....
For 95% of people- Microsoft products (IE: designed with the touch in mind now) are fine.
swaaye said:
My EeePC 900 uses "flash drives" to boot Windows. it has a 4GB and 16GB SSD. It's pretty quick even though the SSDs are slow. It's that instant access time and relatively quick read speed, but the write speed is awful. Or are you referring to booting from SD? Which would probably entail some sort of fancy bootloader.... It is possible to boot Windows from USB so SD may be possible.
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I'm not sure how this device works (the bootloader) which is why I questioned the possibility anyway. Kindof a moot point if Windows won't run on a Tegra 2.

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Kindof a moot point if Windows won't run on a Tegra 2.
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I guess so.
Personally I've been hoping for a new 9" netbook with better hardware than my EeePC 900. Unfortunately none of the companies seems to want to build anything smaller than 10" now.

swaaye said:
I guess so.
Personally I've been hoping for a new 9" netbook with better hardware than my EeePC 900. Unfortunately none of the companies seems to want to build anything smaller than 10" now.
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I think 10" is a good size, myself.
7" is fantastic size as well, but it's too big for one handed typing and too small for two handed so... It's an awkward size. 10" is perfect IMO.

I have an EEE 1005HA and had a EEE 900? There is a big diffrence in size. IMHO the 1005 form factor is the best ballance for useabillity and portability.
Dell has a flip screen netbook / tablet that looks intersting but the price point is high, the reviews are low, so I have not considered it.

TexUs said:
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What about Windows 7 is significantly different from XP in the context of touch input?
I'm certainly intrigued by the Asus tab. However, considering that I work on Windows PCs and Servers for a living, I don't like the idea of trying to navigate that OS with my blunt sausage-fingers.
I'd just be happy with an Android OS that supports running apps in resizable, movable windows. Drag and drop file maniuplation would be nice too. Functionally, the Android interface feels like Windows 3.1. I'd like to have folders on the "desktop" and navigate to a document/media file to launch it that way. Basically, I'd like to see some Windows-esque functionality without it actually needing to be Windows..

I disagree that 10" is better with a netbook but I'm not surprised to see it said. I'd rather move up to a 12" slim subnote with much faster hardware that point (which I've had too). The 9" is exceptionally portable and I actually wish I could find a notebook that's even smaller. Unfortunately they don't exist outside of some severely limited PDAs.
This is the reason I grabbed a Nook Color. I've wanted a 7" tablet because it's smaller than the 9" EeePC. I've had a Droid to play with but it is just too small. Unfortunately touch screen input is far inferior to a keyboard/touchpad in some situations.

Jgrimoldy said:
What about Windows 7 is significantly different from XP in the context of touch input?
I'm certainly intrigued by the Asus tab. However, considering that I work on Windows PCs and Servers for a living, I don't like the idea of trying to navigate that OS with my blunt sausage-fingers.
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Go look up some videos of it on Youtube. Basically MS's GUI and their apps are usable with touch but obviously when it comes to 3rd party apps you are going to have a very hard time without a stylus or KB/touchpad.

The whole reason the tablet revolution is happening is because enough people are learning to live without Windows.
Wherever there is Windows there is x86, and that means HUGE CPU die sizes and terrible battery life.
I don't expect to see Windows on a tablet until we get to quad-core models that have enough raw power to run Windows in a virtual machine. Tablets are the end of the WinTel monopoly....

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Go look up some videos of it on Youtube. Basically MS's GUI and their apps are usable with touch but obviously when it comes to 3rd party apps you are going to have a very hard time without a stylus or KB/touchpad.
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No, I won't go look up some videos. If he, or you, want to make the contention, which is specious at best, that Windows 7 was designed with touch in mind, feel free to explain your stance. Otherwise, I'm not buying. I work with Windows XP and Windows 7 every day. The Windows 7 interface is like lipstick on a pig relative to XP.
In Windows 7, when you select Shut Down, there's no confirmation or prompt that asks if you'd like to log off, restart, hibernate, etc. No, it just initiates the shutdown immediately. If you want to hibernate or suspend, you need to precisely click on the little triangle right next to shutdown. Yeah. If you mis-click, then the device will shutdown, which isn't what you want. This was designed with touch in mind?
Windows 7, just like every other version of Windows since 95 involves context-sensitive menus available thru right-clicking. How exactly do you right click on a tablet?
Look, I like my Nook. I'm very interested in the Asus tablet if the price is right. I'm just not letting some clown get off with some lame contention that Windows 7 was designed with touch in mind all that easily.

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Everything.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/features/touch
It was designed with touch in mind. Microsoft saw this tablet thing coming and was proactive... People don't give them enough credit sometimes.
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I'm certainly intrigued by the Asus tab. However, considering that I work on Windows PCs and Servers for a living, I don't like the idea of trying to navigate that OS with my blunt sausage-fingers.
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IMO the future of computing is with a STYLUS and not fingers.
Why? Handwriting. Have you used Windows 7 + OneNote? That's the future. Write ideas, notes, whatever you want to down... And then you can freaking SEARCH them later on (handwriting recognition). That is immensely more useful and practical than typing stuff in or inaccurately penning something with a fat finger- as you say.
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I'd just be happy with an Android OS that supports running apps in resizable, movable windows. Drag and drop file maniuplation would be nice too. Functionally, the Android interface feels like Windows 3.1. I'd like to have folders on the "desktop" and navigate to a document/media file to launch it that way. Basically, I'd like to see some Windows-esque functionality without it actually needing to be Windows..
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Excellent points, but you'd then have to have a taskbar of some sort and then it starts becoming "too complicated" for people. I'm not sure if the added complications would outweigh drag and drop benefit. (Window switching is already there via long-press on home button).
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I disagree that 10" is better with a netbook but I'm not surprised to see it said. I'd rather move up to a 12" slim subnote with much faster hardware that point (which I've had too).
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I've personally got a 13" as you said- much beefier hardware.
However. After thinking about it, I don't do video editing, really. Or anything intensive. I have no need for that beefier hardware so then the question to me is... Why don't I get something smaller/more portable?
poofyhairguy said:
The whole reason the tablet revolution is happening is because enough people are learning to live without Windows.
Wherever there is Windows there is x86, and that means HUGE CPU die sizes and terrible battery life.
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I expect Microsoft to start killing x86 off in Windows 9. That said, I've heard rumors they are already going to drop x86 in Windows 8.
Again, believe it or not: Microsoft is fairly proactive here and knows what direction they need to move in.
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I don't expect to see Windows on a tablet until we get to quad-core models that have enough raw power to run Windows in a virtual machine. Tablets are the end of the WinTel monopoly....
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There's already some intel-powered Windows tablets coming out that'll be fairly decently spec'd. The downside is I've not seen one under $1000. Which makes sense considering the hardware. However- my point is that they're already coming.
Microsoft has talked of Windows 8 supporting some kind of windows-on-a-chip thing as well...... Again- they know what's coming and where they need to take it

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In Windows 7, when you select Shut Down, there's no confirmation or prompt that asks if you'd like to log off, restart, hibernate, etc. No, it just initiates the shutdown immediately.
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Preaching to the choir. I have no idea the justification for that one. Even on a desktop PC it makes no sense what with the strides in hibernation/sleep.
Keep in mind this setting can be changed (and it might even be changed upon detection of a touch screen device, who knows... Windows 7 installs differently based upon detected hardware like SSDs, etc).
Considering you've admitted you haven't used Windows 7 in a touch environment I'm not sure why you expect anyone to put much stock in what you say.
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Windows 7, just like every other version of Windows since 95 involves context-sensitive menus available thru right-clicking. How exactly do you right click on a tablet?
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How do you do it on Android? Get real.

TexUs,
You and I just disagree.
I don't consider the inclusion of multi-touch in Windows 7 as being significant enough to give them a pass on designing the OS for touch. There are too many things about Windows that are just too tablet unfriendly. You consider multi-touch to change "everything" (your word) about the interface relative to XP. I do not.
On the topic of stylus-based tablet computing, this was tried about 6 or 7 years ago. That didn't work out very well. Styluses are a pain in the ass. They get lost, etc. The Palm Pilot was a stylus based device that really caught on for several years. The stylus, however, did not.
I never suggested that you could right-click on Android. My point was that right-clicking is just further evidence that Windows 7 is not all *that* tablet friendly. No need to get real. I'm already there.

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I don't consider the inclusion of multi-touch in Windows 7 as being significant enough to give them a pass on designing the OS for touch. There are too many things about Windows that are just too tablet unfriendly. You consider multi-touch to change "everything" (your word) about the interface relative to XP. I do not.
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You said relative to XP. Everything DID change in contrast to XP. XP sucked from a touch perspective. It was pretty much just tap this or tap that... Windows 7 made huge leaps and bounds.
Touch gestures in the OS, High DPI support, the Taskbar was huge in multi-window management in a touch environment, Aero Snap- again- more window management made easier in a touch environment, IE- touch support added - along with most all Microsoft products
Tons of improvement over XP. Again- the OS as a whole is now ready for touch- XP can't say that.
And your singular example of the shutdown button (which I already admitted is retarded regardless of setup) is hardly a damning point.
Jgrimoldy said:
On the topic of stylus-based tablet computing, this was tried about 6 or 7 years ago. That didn't work out very well. Styluses are a pain in the ass. They get lost, etc. The Palm Pilot was a stylus based device that really caught on for several years. The stylus, however, did not.
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Yes because stylus tech and handwriting recognition is exactly the same as it was 10 years ago.
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I never suggested that you could right-click on Android. My point was that right-clicking is just further evidence that Windows 7 is not all *that* tablet friendly. No need to get real. I'm already there.
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By that token, Android isn't tablet friendly since it relies on long-presses to gain additional options (IE: context menu) either.
Your logic just doesn't stack up.
You're complaining that a full blown OS has more features than a phone OS. Really? Where else do you suppose they stick all those options? All over the screen? Or with menus and long presses to pull them up only when needed? You also act, like people will constantly be using these functions on a tablet anyway. Tablets are for the foreseeable future, additions. Only things like the Eee Pad Transformer that have easily attachable keyboards- have any hope of replacing "real" computers.

I have a windows based tablet and I am incredibly happy with it
I have every intention of getting another one very soon (probably the asus ep121 or the hp slate 500)
I don't know why everyone's arguing about stylus input here, but if you haven't tried an active digitizer, you have no idea what you're talking about.
there's no way you can compare a windows tablet to a palm pilot which had a crappy resistive touch screen
it's like night and day
and the hand writing recognition in windows 7 is really, really good
I use it all the time and I never have any problems with it
also, I've been using my stylus nearly every day for 2 years and I haven't lost it..
I really don't see that being a problem
but anyway, I find it strange that no one has bothered to mention windows 8 in this thread. it will most likely be out fairly soon and it will support arm( not to mention the fact that it will be more touch friendly). I doubt it will be easy to port to something like the transformer, but it will be a hell of a lot easier than porting win7.
one more thing, you can long press to right click in windows, exactly the same as you do in android.

Windows OS?

If the phone is Intel based, is it possible to run Windows on it - even if its a cut down version?

Windows desktop? Don't think so. Wouldn't scale right on the 4:3" screen.
Windows Phone? Maybe. But it would take a lot of time, time which I think should be invested into Android ROM baking and stuff.

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If you can make the boot loader to read GRUB or MBR partition tables than the phone will load a Win XP/Vista/7/8 because of the native x86 instructions in the processor. Trying to find matching drivers then is the next step.

kHron0S said:
If you can make the boot loader to read GRUB or MBR partition tables than the phone will load a Win XP/Vista/7/8 because of the native x86 instructions in the processor. Trying to find matching drivers then is the next step.
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I think Intel have changed quite a lot within the x86 based architecture to be running fan-less and at that level of battery consumption.
Porting a x86 PC OS would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack and that's just getting it booting.
As for windows phone it has more chance of getting ported to any other android phone as it runs on ARM.
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Here is an atom powered x86 phone that runs windows 7. I am not a dev but I do believe this is quite possible if we can get the right minds interested.

i have arch linux and ubuntu x86 running so only the bootloader is the problem...
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Robbilie said:
i have arch linux and ubuntu x86 running so only the bootloader is the problem...
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As in the stock bootloader won't let you boot from whatever you need to boot from? I figured with an unlocked bootloader, there wouldn't be any issues on that front.

then tell me how to make it boot from my sd card xD

Oh, I have no idea. I just thought those problems would be over. I guess the bootloader just doesn't support that function.

DKSE said:
Here is an atom powered x86 phone that runs windows 7. I am not a dev but I do believe this is quite possible if we can get the right minds interested.
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That phone is of no help since it uses wrong chip. It uses the Intel atom z530 made in 2008 long before Intel remodeled them for mobiles.
RAZR I uses a atom (soc) completely different.
As I said would be extremely difficult for little in return.
As for booting from sdcard if it doesn't support it then there's nothing we can do to the bootloader to get that to work.
We could boot to nand then mount sdcard partition partitions other phones have ran android from sdcard.
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As I said would be extremely difficult for little in return.
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I'd be more than happy to help sponsor some development to have the RAZR i running Windows 8 Pro not Windows 8 phone.
I was quote about $2000 for a ITG xpPhone 2 a while ago, with the RAZR i being about $500 unlocked with a newer chipset and a thinner device, it would be really nice to have instead. I have asked for another quote for the ITG xpPhone 2 to see if the price has come down at all.
I'd didn't buy it yet as I thought with Windows 8 being released, there might be a bit more interest in getting it to run on Intel Medfield phones.
I really want a Windows 8 Pro device that I can have in my pocket.

Win 3.1 through aDosBox ?
Another way could be to use aDosBox ?
As for the Asus transformer
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1079332
Does the Razri version remove the x86 emulation layer ?
http://www.freeware4android.net/motorola-razr-i-xt890-device-2815/adosbox-get-24103.html
It should provide a faster version than the current ARM-based Android version.

We were talking about the real Windows 8/Windows Phone 8, not 3.1 through emulation.

Any news about installing a real desktop windows on this device ? Are there any x86 phone that can do that anyway ?
My main goal is to build an x86 handheld for retro games (old native windows games), probably coupled with an iControlPad 2.

kamuikun said:
Any news about installing a real desktop windows on this device ? Are there any x86 phone that can do that anyway ?
My main goal is to build an x86 handheld for retro games (old native windows games), probably coupled with an iControlPad 2.
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The only thing that would run fine is Windows 8 desktop but we need someone to write an UEFI bootloader for the Razr i first. And even if it boots I'm not sure how the battery life will be nor how we would trigger it to install (the default installer will be useless on such a small screen). Aside from the legal issues it would bring...

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The only thing that would run fine is Windows 8 desktop but we need someone to write an UEFI bootloader for the Razr i first. And even if it boots I'm not sure how the battery life will be nor how we would trigger it to install (the default installer will be useless on such a small screen). Aside from the legal issues it would bring...
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Actually I'm not specifically interested in the Razr i, just wanted to know if it was possible to run desktop windows in x86 phones, my real target is the upcoming Lenovo K900, which have killer specs that should be good enough for a desktop windows 8.
I though that being x86 theses phones can install anything x86, it is not that simple it seems, too bad -.-

running Windows 8 Firmware
Is it fake or not?youtube.com/watch?v=H5ZKxNkf-IU

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Is it fake or not?youtube.com/watch?v=H5ZKxNkf-IU
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Seems fishy. The lockscreen was an Android lockscreen, and the error popup also looked like an Android popup.
I honestly think he was just using something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XwIeWfvcZ_o#!

It seems that the ASUS tablet 810 has a medfield SoC and runs windows 8, so it's almost certainly within the capabilities of the hardware. The question is whether or not we can get the bootloader to play nice or maybe stick a custom bootloader on it.