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What is the difference or is it the same phone? I've been pondering this for a while now, but never ask the question.
if i had both i would tell you
ha ha... two different phones... got it
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What is the difference or is it the same phone? I've been pondering this for a while now, but never ask the question.
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The difference between the Droid and the Milestone is that the Droid has a slightly higher clock speed (600MHz compared to 550), but the biggest thing is that it has an unlocked bootloader. That enables the use of full custom ROMs, whereas the Milestone is quite limited due to its locked bootloader.
actually the main difference is that droid is CDMA (no sim card) as compared to european milestone (sim rad). so the difference is the radio used. AFAIK other hardware used is the same on both.
also the droid has unlocked bootloader as compared to locked milestone.
edit> and there was some type of qwerty keyboard on droid that wasn't on milestone I think - the flat keys version.
Offcourse milestone is worst as the Droid is already unlocked and 600Mhz instead of 550 in mIlestone
as said above. droid has other radio and unlocked bootloader.
Each device requires a different kernel, and each has different options / modules. For "identical" phones, it is surprising how much has to be changed in a rom to port from one to the other.
Multi touch support
Also i do believe the Droid (stock at least) did not come with multitouch suport, whereas the Milestone does come with it. Apart from that, all as been said.
I'm definitely a noob here, but I've been lurking for over a year, researching, and finally made an account.
I'm stuck with AT&T for awhile. Like most other sensible people on the planet, I want a Droid 3. I thought all hope was lost until I just recently heard that someone finally cracked (rooted) the thing and there are already several custom ROMs out, to my understanding..? Like the Steel Droid ROM at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1278056
Does the Steel ROM allow a Droid 3 to work on AT&T networks?
I also read that Negri Electronics is selling custom Droid 3's that work on AT&T's 3G networks, but it's $600.
Is there any hope of getting a D3 with AT&T, or do I have to stick with my beat-up (but still functional) old Tilt 2?
And Yes I searched, but the Droid 3 Root thing is so new there's not much info on it yet.
I have heard of people successfully using a D3 on AT&T, I think you need to unlock the SIM for US networks somehow. Loading a rom like Steel Droid won't make any changes that will allow you to use it on AT&T though.
Androidsims said:
I have heard of people successfully using a D3 on AT&T, I think you need to unlock the SIM for US networks somehow. Loading a rom like Steel Droid won't make any changes that will allow you to use it on AT&T though.
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Hrm... Crap. So currently the only way to get one for AT&T is via Negri Electronics? No one has heard of any other way? 0.o
I don't suppose there's any other phone that can compete with the D3 as far as specs and a full QWERTY keyboard, huh? Bummer, big time
I'm coming from a VZW TP2 and i know people used it on Tmobile and other GSM networks by unlocking the SIM. The way I did it was by calling Verizon and telling them I was going out of the country and they did it for free on the phone, I'm not sure how to do it if you're already on another network or don't activate it with Verizon first (For free). But that's definitely what you should look for, once the SIM is unlocked it should work anywhere as long as you enable roaming.
kern417 said:
I'm coming from a VZW TP2 and i know people used it on Tmobile and other GSM networks by unlocking the SIM. The way I did it was by calling Verizon and telling them I was going out of the country and they did it for free on the phone, I'm not sure how to do it if you're already on another network or don't activate it with Verizon first (For free). But that's definitely what you should look for, once the SIM is unlocked it should work anywhere as long as you enable roaming.
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Simlock or not you can use the droid 3 anywhere in the world but not in the us.
No matter if you use the verizon sim or any other sim.
To do it you need the so called band unlocking which is currently unavailable for the droid 3 and when and if will be, will require a good amount of money.
In short if you need the phone buy a milestone 3/Xt860
...but keep in mind, that while root and recovery are a go for the XT860, there's no custom ROMs working as of yet.
It'll come though.
The Solutor said:
Simlock or not you can use the droid 3 anywhere in the world but not in the us.
No matter if you use the verizon sim or any other sim.
To do it you need the so called band unlocking which is currently unavailable for the droid 3 and when and if will be, will require a good amount of money.
In short if you need the phone buy a milestone 3/Xt860
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Did a little research, but just to be clear, the Milestone 3 (aka the XT860) is the Canadian version of the D3, released by Bell, correct?
And since it already works in North America, could I simply buy one and use it on AT&T as-is? Or would it also need some sort of unlocking?
Correct
Given the price should be an unlocked phone, ready to be used anywhere in the world US included.
Thanks, I almost bought an XT883 a few days ago, that would have been terrible. Stupid Verizon and their locked-down phones.
[UPDATE]
Alright. Thanks to you guys' help and support, I averted a financial disaster and a raft of headaches/psychological meltdowns. I just ordered:
Brand new, unlocked with 2-year warranty:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/180734574619?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
Genuine Motorola 1930mAh Extended Battery w/Cover:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/290617184513?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
Can't wait to get my hands on a D3! My first truly new phone since I bought my Motorola SLVR 5 years ago, with its amazing, first-of-its-kind ability to play up to a whopping 100 iTunes songs on its giant 512mb MicroSD card.
I'm in Hawaii, waiting on a phone being shipped from Canada though, so it'll be a couple days
Thanks again for your patience guys, especially Solutor, your advice really made a difference. I clicked the Thanks button for you.
Savior
You are welcome.
As the title says, I've just about had it with Motorola and Verizon's locked bootloader fiasco. I really like the Bionic, and it suits most of my needs, but lack of robust developer activity because of the bootloader is pissing me off (hats off to the devs that stick in there and keep working around the restrictions.
That being said, I'm starting to think about a new phone. Really sucks, as the Bionic is a great phone.
Obviously, I want something with an unlocked bootloader. Also looking for dual-core, 4G LTE (Verizon), and not looking to downgrade on CPU speed, RAM, storage, or screen size/resolution. Of course, if I could upgrade one or more of those, that would be nice, too.
Any suggestions?
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Looks like the Galaxy Nexus may be a good alternative. Is the Verizon version locked? If so, can it be unlocked? Any downsides over the Bionic (hardware-wise)?
Flapjack said:
As the title says, I've just about had it with Motorola and Verizon's locked bootloader fiasco. I really like the Bionic, and it suits most of my needs, but lack of robust developer activity because of the bootloader is pissing me off (hats off to the devs that stick in there and keep working around the restrictions.
That being said, I'm starting to think about a new phone. Really sucks, as the Bionic is a great phone.
Obviously, I want something with an unlocked bootloader. Also looking for dual-core, 4G LTE (Verizon), and not looking to downgrade on CPU speed, RAM, storage, or screen size/resolution. Of course, if I could upgrade one or more of those, that would be nice, too.
Any suggestions?
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Looks like the Galaxy Nexus may be a good alternative. Is the Verizon version locked? If so, can it be unlocked? Any downsides over the Bionic (hardware-wise)?
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the vzw gnex comes with an unlockable boot loader. I switched from the bionic to the GNex in December because the bionic was unusable (poor data connection, frequent lock ups, etc.). VZW finally released an update for the bionic in February (5 months after release) which made it work but e damage was done - no more Moto blur or locked boot loaders for me.
Gnex = galaxy nexus?
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Gnex = galaxy nexus?
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yeah, sorry
PhilDX said:
yeah, sorry
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No problem.
I'm going to give the .904 update and Eclipse 2.2 a shot before I throw in the towel. I'm not eligible for a Verizon upgrade until Feb 2013. The cost of the phone alone is too much for me at this time. Unless you know of a way for me to convince Verizon to upgrade me earlier.
The issue isn't entirely the locked bootloader. There are devices with unlocked bootloaders, such as the LG Revolution, that have less development than the Bionic. While the locked bootloader is an issue, its not the only issue. If you want good development community, go with HTC or a Nexus.
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Ive been thinking of jumping ship for a new 4g phone, what are some of the phones you guys would suggest? I want to have the same control over it as i had with my og droid ( flashing kernels and roms, not locked), so wich phones are compleatly unlocked? Is it just Motorola phones with non unlockable bootloaders?
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I actually jumped ship from big red with a Nexus 4, I absolutely love it, and T-Mo isn't bad, $30 / month is amazing. For Verizon I hear HTC is unlocking bootloaders now. The S4 is coming soon and Samsung actually seems to support their phones.
S3 or N4 aren't bad phones.
hello every body
first thanks for your great efforts , I am seeking your help again plzzzzz.....
I had droid 3 and stolen from 2 days ago I live in Egypt with GSM network , My Droid 3 unlocked was working perfect here) , now i will get a new mobile , I guess it will be Droid 4 as extend for my beloved stolen phone
When I was looking for it on eBay and Amazon I became so confused , as I found
1-Version Droid 4 locked
2-Unlocked Droid 4
3-Unlocked Droid 4 international use
Now my question is which one will work with my local GSM ? please note that a big price diffident between unlocked and locked one , the locked one is more more cheaper , if I buy the locked can I locked it and works perfect with GSM or have I buy unlocked one ?
Thanks in advance
AFAIK they are all the same. If it has ICS it is unlocked for international use. If it still has Gingerbread, I think you can still upgrade to ICS using WiFi.
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AFAIK they are all the same. If it has ICS it is unlocked for international use. If it still has Gingerbread, I think you can still upgrade to ICS using WiFi.
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So no need to buy unlocked high price one ? i will buy Version Droid 4 and update it into ICS
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorola-Dr...1004039173?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item27d0a29005
is that what you meant ?
sorry for being annoying but i have to be sure before buy it
ivanol84 said:
So no need to buy unlocked high price one ? i will buy Version Droid 4 and update it into ICS
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorola-Dr...1004039173?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item27d0a29005
is that what you meant ?
sorry for being annoying but i have to be sure before buy it
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Thanks again.
StevePritchard said:
AFAIK they are all the same. If it has ICS it is unlocked for international use. If it still has Gingerbread, I think you can still upgrade to ICS using WiFi.
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So no need to buy unlocked high price one ? i will buy Version Droid 4 and update it into ICS
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorola-Dr...1004039173?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item27d0a29005
http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNLOCKED-NE...0884590003?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item35c1cb41b3
So, the first one i have to get right ?
sorry for being annoying but i have to be sure before buy it
ivanol84 said:
So no need to buy unlocked high price one ? i will buy Version Droid 4 and update it into ICS
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorola-Dr...1004039173?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item27d0a29005
http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNLOCKED-NE...0884590003?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item35c1cb41b3
So, the first one i have to get right ?
sorry for being annoying but i have to be sure before buy it
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Well for one. If u haven't noticed the first one is only bid. On used! The second one is new and buy it now. And they are both the same as stated befor ics is unlocked
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thanks agian for your replay , for the first link its not used one its new , i know its in bid but here is another one buy now
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-V...0991335425?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item257bd4d401
so why its about 150$ price differant with this one
http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNLOCKED-NE...0884590003?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item35c1cb41b3
ivanol84 said:
thanks agian for your replay , for the first link its not used one its new , i know its in bid but here is another one buy now
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-V...0991335425?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item257bd4d401
so why its about 150$ price differant with this one
http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNLOCKED-NE...0884590003?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item35c1cb41b3
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There's no international shipping on your first option. If I were buying one today, I'd probably go for one of these:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MOTOROLA-...0878227538?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item43b9b18452
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorola-...0887620684?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item4d0a70684c
Cheers,
Steve.
dont worry about international shipping as a friend of mine in USA and will come to Egypt after 1 week , so my question is still here why this big differenced in price between my 2 prevoius llinks
http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNLOCKED-NE...0884590003?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item35c1cb41b3
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-V...0991335425?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item257bd4d401
The only lock on the Droid 4 is that you cannot use it on American GSM carriers, i.e. T-Mobile USA and AT&T. This lock is irrelevant to you as you are in Egypt, unless you intend to travel to the USA and use this phone.
The unlocked one is being sold by Devices Now. It is possible that they have found somewhat to unlock it for US GSM, though if they have they aren't sharing it with these forums. They are a pretty good seller as they were one of the first to offer this phone pre-flashed to ICS for people wanting to use it on GSM.
That said, if you are happy enough with flashing the phone to ICS yourself, and don't intend to use it in the USA, go ahead and get the cheaper one.
thanks a lot Lum_Uk , but is the flashing is just updating the phone to ICS ? I mean when i bought the cheaper one just i need to update it via wire wireless or i have to do something else ?
ivanol84 said:
thanks a lot Lum_Uk , but is the flashing is just updating the phone to ICS ? I mean when i bought the cheaper one just i need to update it via wire wireless or i have to do something else ?
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To flash ICS all u need is the phone and a wire to connect it to your computer (and possibly a sd card).
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Yes just updating it to ICS, though many people have found that the OTA update doesn't always work, so have to flash it the hard way
Full instructions here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1766479
Just a little update for everybody here. Just because a Droid 4 has Ice Cream Sandwich or Jellybean doesn't mean it's already unlocked for GSM or international use. Having an Ice Cream Sandwich or Jellybean ROM means that the phone is ABLE to be unlocked from the carrier. The phone DOES NOT come unlocked with each ROM. You have to call Verizon to get an unlock code or pay for an unlock code through one of the measly online websites. I have much experience with this as I was in the Army for a while and took my US Android phone to Iraq and Kuwait with me. You have to put an unlock code into the device for it to be unlocked. Therefore...I would purchase a Droid 4 that has been unlocked previously. You can tell when you put a different SIM card into the phone,it will ask you for the unlock code or tell you the device is unlocked. Just wanted to clarify that for everybody.
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Just a little update for everybody here. Just because a Droid 4 has Ice Cream Sandwich or Jellybean doesn't mean it's already unlocked for GSM or international use. Having an Ice Cream Sandwich or Jellybean ROM means that the phone is ABLE to be unlocked from the carrier. The phone DOES NOT come unlocked with each ROM. You have to call Verizon to get an unlock code or pay for an unlock code through one of the measly online websites
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Sorry but this is complete rubbish. It may be true for other phones, but the Verizon Droid 4, once flashed to ICS or JB, will work internationally without any codes, custom ROMs or hacking.
My Droid 4 has never even seen the Verizon network, and I don't have an account with Verizon and no way to contact them to get a code. It just works.
Plenty of others in the same situation on this forum, loads of us are using it on GSM without having to get Verizon's permission.
^^ Truth! There is no SIM lock on any VZW Motorola LTE capable device.
The last Verizon Motorola global device to have a SIM lock was the Droid3, which was a CDMA/EVDO/GSM/UMTS global device.
PS4AndroidHacker said:
Just a little update for everybody here. Just because a Droid 4 has Ice Cream Sandwich or Jellybean doesn't mean it's already unlocked for GSM or international use. Having an Ice Cream Sandwich or Jellybean ROM means that the phone is ABLE to be unlocked from the carrier. The phone DOES NOT come unlocked with each ROM. You have to call Verizon to get an unlock code or pay for an unlock code through one of the measly online websites. I have much experience with this as I was in the Army for a while and took my US Android phone to Iraq and Kuwait with me. You have to put an unlock code into the device for it to be unlocked. Therefore...I would purchase a Droid 4 that has been unlocked previously. You can tell when you put a different SIM card into the phone,it will ask you for the unlock code or tell you the device is unlocked. Just wanted to clarify that for everybody.
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Lum_UK said:
Sorry but this is complete rubbish. It may be true for other phones, but the Verizon Droid 4, once flashed to ICS or JB, will work internationally without any codes, custom ROMs or hacking.
My Droid 4 has never even seen the Verizon network, and I don't have an account with Verizon and no way to contact them to get a code. It just works.
Plenty of others in the same situation on this forum, loads of us are using it on GSM without having to get Verizon's permission.
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Hahaha schooled! Not trying to be mean but its generally smart to know what your talking about before u spew bullish out of your mouth and look like an idiot. As lum stated droid 4 isn't locked to Verizon or any carrier. Through build prop tweaks it does work very nicely at that.
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Should probably add, since they are in Ohio, that GSM is locked out for US carriers. This isn't locked out with an unlock code but at the firmware level. So far nobody has broken that and unlock codes don't exist. There's a big sticky at the top of the forum with the current progress in dealing with this problem.