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5 Rookie questions needing 5 answers please read!!!!

Hi guys,
Im thinking of flasing a custom rom using odin.
Im running stock froyo 2.2.
PDA: I9000XWJPA
PHONE: I9000XXJPP
CSC: I9000XEEJP4
My phone is rooted and lag fixed. I understand that i need to remove the lag fix before and flash.
I updated to this using the registry hack. My questions are as follows...
1) Can i flash a custom rom from stock 2.2 or do i need to firstly flash a kernal with recovery 2e and then flash a custom rom?
2) Am i right in thinking that the PDA is the right bit to be looking at i.e when people say this rom is usable with JPA / JPO etc. The phone and CSC are not important when flashing a custom rom ( but still needed obviously )
3) If by some miracle of god we ever do get 2.3 and i flash back to stock Froyo via odin using a rom from samfirmware.com, will kies recognise my phone? Or will i forever be destined to flash "unofficially" through odin.
4) Looking at the PDA etc given above can anybody recommend a good rom to flash with gingerbread theme and apps. ( i keep seeing Darky's rom popping up in conversations ) and also have a link to it if you would be so kind. Im not lazy but theres so many roms all over i want to make sure i get the right one.
5) Once i have recovery 2e can i flash future roms over the top using rom mananger by clockworkmods and not have to go through odin? Or how does that work?
If i could get some clear answers to the above that would be great.
Yes i am a newbie at this but i am confident that i understand the basics, its just a couple of things above that i want clearing up before i proceed.
I know how to use odin correctly. ( close kies first / make sure odin opened before plugging in phone etc. )
P.S Yes i have 3 button recovery and download mode.
Thank you for taking the time to read this and a big thank you to any body that takes the time to respond with help.

Any body that can help?

dude i feel your pain. i've rooted and installed custom roms on two other phones, most recent the HTC Desire Z. and it was quite a nightmare to just start off to know what the first step is, there are soo many different guides its hard to know which is what and what has now been superceeded by something else!
now i'm trying to get a custom rom on my galaxy S too, but really having a hard time understanding everything becuase guides and stuff are so different for different roms, gets confusing and dont know which one is for me!
my phone is already rooted, i have firmware 2.1-update1, i know i have voodoo lagfix somewhere installed. but my base band version is I9000XXJM4, which i hav'nt seen in any guide! where did you get your seperate PDA, PHONE, CSC info from?
sorry i could'nt help you and i justed added a bunch more questions to mix
also how did you manage to get Clockwork Recovery on your phone? i have recovery 2e atm. i downloaded Rom manager from the market and tried installing Clockwork rewcovery, but first it would not even download. then i tried next day and it downloaded it through rom manager. but i dont think it installed it. i went into recovery mode and then it tried to auto-install clockwork recovery in recovery mode! but it just hanged at zero status bar for like 20 mins. i turned the phone off and on, went back into recovery mode and it was still recovery 2e, how do i get clockwork recovery to flash as the recovery mode?

Type *#1234#into your dial pad and it will come up. If I'm right I believe that 2.1 is more simple to flash over than 2.2 which is the bit that's confusing me.
I believe that you would need to flash a new kernel with recovery 2e and then flash a new Rom over the top.
I'm a but confused though as to weather or not I would need to flash back to 2.1 and then do a couple more flashes to get the job done.
Can some one please clear this up.
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1. You don't need to have 2.1 rom to flash, since you'll be able to do all the flashing using Odin and download mode. Just flash a kernel, using odin, that has clockworkmod integrated, and you'll be able to flash most roms and kernels with the clockworkmod.
Speemod kernel is a great kernel, and has clockworkmod included.
Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=822756
2. PDA is the rom part. CSC is important when using stock roms. I think that custom roms have CSC included in them.
3. You'll always be able to flash with Kies by using the Kies Registry Hack or by flashing a stock rom through odin. Kies will recognise your phone even if you are on a custom rom, but I'm not sure if it'll flash your phone.
4. I prefer Docs Ultra Slim roms because it's light, and you can customize them however you want. Darky's rom is a good option if you want all the features of a stock rom, and more. I use a Gingerbread theme with Doc's rom.
Links,
Darky's: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=814091
Doc's: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=817703
Both can be installed through ClockWorkMod
5. I think I answered this already.

Thank you for clearing that up. Very helpful but unfortunately you now raised another question haha.
You said that I would always be able to flash through kies using the registry hack... but wasn't that disabled so the registry hack wouldn't work any more a couple of versions back on. 803 or whatever it is?
And you also said that kies would recognise my phone but might not flash it which if I'm reading it right.contradicts.what you said about always been able to flash through kies.
Thank you so much for previous post it was very helpful.
Sorry if I sound stupid for.asking so many questions but I want to make sure I have covered all the angles before I proceed.
Again thanks for taking the time to help.
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By registry hack, I really meant the Kies Registry Patcher app found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=835628
Works on all Kies versions at least for now.
Like the original registry hack, this using this app makes Kies think that you have a stock rom and as long as Kies thinks that you have a stock rom, it will flash your phone.
In the sentence where I said that Kies will recognise your phone but won't flash, I mean't that it wouldn't flash without the Registry Patcher.

Thank you sooooooo much for your help dude.
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[Q] Resetting Back to Stock

Really sorry to post something which im sure has been done before but from what i've found here I can't properly interpret the details of what is to be done.
Basically I upgraded to Android 2.2 on my Galaxy S 19000 in December using a guide online (forget where sorry) but I want to revert back to my stock ROM as to enable Samsung Kies updating. Im in Australia. I have no mods or anything installed.
Sorry for being so vague, if I need to post certain details about my phone then i'l be happy to, just unsure of what you might need from me.
Also i've been trying to follow the guide here "http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=751639&page=19" but I can't follow it properly as i'm a bit thick.

The rom that will update is the one that came with the phone . Kies will look for the phones product code hardware ID etc then update .
If you do not have the original Kies cannot update .
You are left to try the stock rom from samsungfirmware.com but its stock Samsung not the one that came with the phone .
jje

That is incorrect. You do not need the rom that the phone was shipped with.
I've flashed from custom roms and back to stock numerous times. Choose one of the 2.1 stick roms from samfirmwares.com. Flash using odin using a 512 pit file and repartition ticked if using the 3 file flashing option. kies will then quite happily upgrade to the latest rom.
There are flashing instructions and all software and firmware on samfirmware.com
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But thats not the rom that came with the phone thats the stock Samsung rom BEFORE its handed to the network/phone provider .
AS I SAID
You are left to try the stock rom from samsungfirmware.com but its stock Samsung not the one that came with the phone .
jje

JJEgan said:
But thats not the rom that came with the phone thats the stock Samsung rom BEFORE its handed to the network/phone provider .
AS I SAID
You are left to try the stock rom from samsungfirmware.com but its stock Samsung not the one that came with the phone .
jje
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but does it matter?
you can say you made a kies-update. -ther's nothin illegal with it.

OP said he wanted to revert back .
My phones warranty is invalid as i do not have the firmware supplied by the provider of the phone and i suspect that is true for all branded models .
Its up to the warranty provider where the phone was bought to accept non standard firmware on the phone or not . Mine refused point blank and even showed the instructions from Samsung reference warranty claims with non standard firmware and the tech went as far as to say that his company who are the seller of the phone and responsible for warranty will not repair any phone that does not have their branded firmware on it .
Thats what i always presume when answering >> i want to go back to stock >.that the OP requires to return to the firmware that came with the phone to safeguard warranty .As they also have no backup of the original firmware .
jje

But by flashing 2.1 you are able to then flash to the most current stock firmware as released by your provider. That's the whole point
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mossy1963 said:
But by flashing 2.1 you are able to then flash to the most current stock firmware as released by your provider. That's the whole point
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You are left to try the stock rom from samsungfirmware.com but its stock Samsung not the one that came with the phone .
+ yes if its accepted by Kies and for a number of users it has not and thats why Kies Registry patcher was used .
Stock samsung eclair rom failed to be accepted by Kies when i did exactly as you are suggesting . It required a spoofed Kies registry etc to get the update .
That is something i understand no longer works .
jje

Sorry but most of what you say just isn't true. If you flash to fw that predates your original fw and had the correct region code you can quite happily then use kies to upgrade to the current fw for your region. This is not detectable and cannot invalidate you warranty. So flash to ANY early fw, then let kies legally upgrade you - simple. Please don't peddle supposition as fact. And yes I've done this numerous times, and yes my phone had been back for an unrelated repair without warranty problems
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Lets get a few things straight:
If its about warranty, most shops/centers want the firmware selected by kies, I know examples of people with kies software via a registry hack that where denied because it wasn't the right region.
Kies is still considered to be safer than Odin, although I never had trouble with Odin.
Again if you want if it for warranty just update your firmware with kies, alternatively you can check the latest version for you country/operator and download and flash the right firmware from sammiefirmware.

@stitch
exactly

Just use SpoofFW and flash normaly with kies...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=959806
The registry hack doesn't work with kies2.0.

[Q] newbie wants to root SGS I9000 - quick advice!

Dear all
Please bear over with this newbie question, but now I've spend around 10 hours searching/reading in this forum and on the internet so now I feel I've made a decent effort of trying to find the answer I'm looking for, before asking stupid questions.
I want to root my Samsung Galaxy S I9000 phone, in order to (primary reason) modify the hosts-file and avoid ads! The phone is 1 week old. I'm concerned about guarantee, but people has written that I should not be concerned because I can always revert back. I've used appbrain to export a list of applications and I'll unmount the SD-drive before attempting. I've found out that I'm running (typing *#1234#):
PDA: I9000XXJPY (= "baseband version" under settings)
PHONE: I9000XXJPY
CSC: I9000OXAJPY
Build Info: 2010.12
And from settings I know my:
Firmware version: 2.2.1
Kernel version: 2.6.32.9 (it also says: "[email protected] #1")
Build number: FROYO.XXJPY
MY IDEA:
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To begin installing Android SDK (on either windows or linux) + Odin3 (think version 1.7 is latest, it's only on windows, right?). Then I think I should install Clockwork Mod Recovery (CWM) + nandroid...
====> Question 1:
I think first step is Odin3 which will root the SGS I9000 phone... Correct? I guess it's as easy as here:
http://www.theandroidsoul.com/how-to-root-xwjvb-and-install-clockwork-mod-cwm-recovery/
Correct ?
====> Question 2:
Should I use z4root or superOneClick from http://shortfuse.org/ ? I think I've read that z4root is the best, however abedi here has the exact same software as me and he says/writes it hangs:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13025681&postcount=2878
??? Which to use?
====> Question 3:
I read this:
6.I want to install new firmware but I want to have a backup of my original firmware to go back to in case I need to go back for warranty reasons. Can I backup my original firmware somehow?
As of now, there is no way of backing up firmware entirely. However, there are firmwares out for every region and virtually all regions have received a 2.2 or 2.2.1 upgrade which can be applied through Kies or Odin.
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(from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=723596 )
So how do I restore everything if I need my warranty and if I need to return the phone?
====> Question 4:
If I have to root the phone before backup up, then how can I restore everything back to the state before I rooted it? I don't understand that. And is it nandroid or CWM I should use?
I still don't get it... In my opinion, making a complete backup of everything should be done before rooting - however it's a contradiction I think that you need to be root, in order to backup because then it's a rooted backup and not an unrooted backup???
====> Question 5:
When I've done the above, is it then a good idea to try this?
http://romkitchen.org/sgs/?s=generator
I've also read that this "Darky's ROM" should be good... I found something here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=814091
Is it correct, that this is good (the best that is currently available?)?
Finally: Thanks for your time - I appreciate your answers and any hints/suggestions. I've taken myself time to read a lot, however there's too much information out there and I need to clarify the above before taking the next step. Another problem is that google and the forum probably have some outdated information here or there and that discourages me a bit. Please help/advice!
Thanks in advance!

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=939752
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=723596
I've also read that this "Darky's ROM" should be good... I found something here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=814091
Is it correct, that this is good (the best that is currently available?)?
Most help / broke my phone posts on this forum are Darky rom . You choice .
Rom Kitchen stable roms and help on dev thread .
FAQS here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=817703
I think first step is Odin3 which will root the SGS I9000 phone... Correct? I guess it's as easy as here:
http://www.theandroidsoul.com/how-to...-cwm-recovery/
BIG NO thats Beta Gingerbread .
personally i would wait for official Release of Gingerbread 2.3 . Download your official update via kies and back that up then go to rom kitchen and build a custom rom
.
jje

JJEgan said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=939752
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=723596
I've also read that this "Darky's ROM" should be good... I found something here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=814091
Is it correct, that this is good (the best that is currently available?)?
Most help / broke my phone posts on this forum are Darky rom . You choice .
Rom Kitchen stable roms and help on dev thread .
FAQS here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=817703
I think first step is Odin3 which will root the SGS I9000 phone... Correct? I guess it's as easy as here:
http://www.theandroidsoul.com/how-to...-cwm-recovery/
BIG NO thats Beta Gingerbread .
personally i would wait for official Release of Gingerbread 2.3 . Download your official update via kies and back that up then go to rom kitchen and build a custom rom
.
jje
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Ok, thanks a lot for your advice/comments.
I've already looked a bit into some of the links. And as I see it, there are still some questions that remains unanswered, but there are also some very good answers (and thanks for that, i.e. use ODIN for updating the rom).
An example where I'm still confused (hope I've not overseen something):
====> Question 2:
Should I use z4root or superOneClick from http://shortfuse.org/ ? I think I've read that z4root is the best, however abedi here has the exact same software as me and he says/writes it hangs:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...postcount=2878
??? Which to use?
And my question 3 is directly related to one of the links you posted and I'm asking for an explanation of the contradiction in the fact that some people say I can make a 100% backup/restore and the link below says it's impossible:
====> Question 3:
I read this:
6.I want to install new firmware but I want to have a backup of my original firmware to go back to in case I need to go back for warranty reasons. Can I backup my original firmware somehow?
As of now, there is no way of backing up firmware entirely. However, there are firmwares out for every region and virtually all regions have received a 2.2 or 2.2.1 upgrade which can be applied through Kies or Odin.
(from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=723596 )
So how do I restore everything if I need my warranty and if I need to return the phone?
In Q4 I ask whether to use nandroid or CWM (not quite sure about both):
====> Question 4:
If I have to root the phone before backup up, then how can I restore everything back to the state before I rooted it? I don't understand that. And is it nandroid or CWM I should use?
I still don't get it... In my opinion, making a complete backup of everything should be done before rooting - however it's a contradiction I think that you need to be root, in order to backup because then it's a rooted backup and not an unrooted backup???

bit difficult for me to answer as i have just double bricked my phone .
Double brick = even Odin dont want to recover the phone .
jje

Ok, thanks jje.
I still hope somebody can/will answer Q2+Q3+Q4 in their own words, before proceeding (maybe with something stupid that'll void warranty and maybe something worser)...

As for rooting, I have never had a problem with Super One Click...I used it on both my phone and a coworkers.
Just remember if it hangs, change your USB debugging setting (either turn it on or off, depending).
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You can't really do a full backup until you root. That first step just has to be a leap of fate. Once you are rooted, use the instructions for hardcore's speedmod kernel to flash a cwm enabled kernel via odin. Then, go into recovery mode and use the clockwork settings to make a nandroid backup.
As for the contradiction, some things will not change when you flash a nandroid backup, such as file system settings and modem. Therefore to return the phone to a warrenty state you need to download the original firmware and flash it via odin. However, for normal use, nandroid backups do just fine.
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rschenck thanks for both replies! My final question/comments comes here!
1) Super One Click didn't hang at all. Installed perfectly without problems (usb enabling was on the whole time). To answer my own question 2: I decided not to try z4root because I read that it is not maintained anymore - just for the record. Maybe some other newbie can use this info.
2) This is a perfect answer to the other things I was wondering about. However, please clarify if you by this "…use the instructions for hardcore's speedmod kernel to flash a cwm enabled kernel via odin…" mean that I should look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=822756 ???
THANKS!!! This wasn't that hard after all... Hopefully nothing will ever break and hopefully I'll never need/get warranty issues...

Firstly gaining root access to access the hosts file is SIMPLE
Superoneclick v1.6.5 roots every sgs I have ever come across (personally I have rooted 4 different ones now) and I have used it to root a xperia x8 as well
I would then recommend downloading the busybox installer from the market and letting that install the latest stable busybox.
then ADFREE also from the market will modify the hosts file and automate the process of keeping that up to date.
on the choice of z4 my only experience was of that not working at all for me so that's all I can add to that.
personally beyond that I use odin to flash the voodoo lagfix and sound mod kernel with CWM and I love that. It's brilliant but I recently did someone elses SGS and it didnt want to play so I used the speedmod kernel with CWM instead. The quadrant scores aren't as high but it seems stable enough and quadrant isnt everything.
CWM will effectively let you back up the whole rom but in order to make effective backup's a simple rooted phone is enough CWM is not a requirement. With something like titanium back up from the market you can make all the back ups you want on a stock phone as long as it is rooted. Personally I do a CWM backup every couple or three weeks, but I do 2 different nightly backups with a weekly full backup scheduled on titanium and I use the titanium media sync to push the backups to my dropbox. This way I always have "belt and braces".
Might seem like overkill but I have around 350-400 apps installed at any given point. 5 lots of push e-mail etc etc etc.
(that should cover question 2&3 I think)
question4
Superoneclick will allow you to remove the the hack and the superuser and busybox programs.
you seem a little confused, there is a difference between hacking the phone for superuser (root) access (which is all you really need and can be done above with one click and no odin etc) and hacking the phone to modify the boot loader which is what clockworkmod is. This changes the recovery area of the phone.
typically when you do this you use odin to flash a new kernel which will include the clockworkrom recovery bootloader.
this is more risky (but still almost always recoverable from in my experience) typically the new kernels include a root solution so flashing a kernel does not require the phone to be rooted already. Usually flashing a new kernel will add extra benefits or features such as the option to change the filesystem that the phone uses to a faster one than the default used by android (this is usually called lagfixing).
technically I would guess that any of these things COULD invalidate warranty but in reality I doubt they would and you should be able to reverse almost any of them prior to returning a device under warranty. personally so far I have screwed up my phone and others a number of times and I haven't once found something that darkyy's ressurection rom hasnt been able to rescue me from. Worst case I flash that then reflash with a stock rom. (I've been able to do this when I have forgotten to unlagfix a phone when I have checked efs or repartition by mistake all sorts, I have had phones in the condition where the wouldnt accept any sim card and darky's has got me out of all these states simply repartition with the resurrection rom and bob's yer uncle)
Hope that answers your questions and helps you understand the differences.

[Q] A way to backup whole stock rom

Hi guys, im new to the sgs, but got some android experience. I was wondering if i can backup the whole ROM/system from my sgs (running 2.2.1 but its kinda branded from my carrier), so that i can flash the latest 2.3.3 or even 2.3.4 with odin and if for any reason i have to take it into warranty, i can reflash (preferably with odin) the stock branded rom that came with my phone. I would really appreciate, if anyone can tell me that, i searched around but couldnt really find this specific question. ive checked the stock ROM thread, and my version is there but im not sure its the branded one, cuz mine says 2011.02 and the one there says december 2010.

As long as you are rooted and have clockwork mod installed you can do a nandroid backup from the recovery menu I believe.
To restore you would have to flash the same base rom though, i.e. any 2.2.1 ROM then let it reboot then root it boot into recovery and restore nandroid backup.
I think that should work.
I'm sure someone wil correct me if I am wrong.
I wish I had done this when I bought by phone from Orange UK branded.
If you find out how to create an odin version please post here for others too.

ok thanks, i flashed the newer version over anyways.. thanks anyways

Is this correct?
Is this correct?
I have the same issue and after having mine sent into samsung for a successful repair (with a bunch of arguing and persuasion) I would like to back up this stock rom before continuing in order to avoid that situation again.
Mines a i9000M (bell version )

You always have to hack the ROM a bit to have a backup. Either you flash a custom kernel that'll give you CWM/nandroid backup or you root the ROM so you can do some adb magic.
There are also tons of stock ROMs floating around the interwebs, so with any luck you can find your own stock there.

[Q] Upgrade to LA4 without loosing warranty and with out wiping?

I Think my question is fairly simple.
I want to upgrade to the latest German LA4 firmware, but my phone is XEN with KKA firmware (Dutch), so not supported yet.
Can I do that using ODIN, without loosing my warranty and without wiping?
Is using ODIN and upgrading an German firmware making me lose warrenty?
How to upgrade without wiping my settings and apps?
Looking through the forum didn’t gave me the confidence yet.
Thanx all!

EDIT: sorry wrong topic
on a related note, i installed LA4 over KKA via ODIN on PC. No wiping required for LA4. It was fairly simple. But you will lose root access if you install the stock rom via PC. I did it following the steps on dev forum and everything was smooth.

Thanx Orhon,
You know if it breaks my warranty?

I don't really know but people say you can just bring it back to the stock rom if you want to. But I am kinda unsure about it.
Root + CWM method is fairly simple and I installed first via it. I couldn't manage to install after some time(I selected the wrong file, shut the phone down and ended up in a bootloop) and decided to give Odin a try, it has both mobile and pc applications and i remember mobile app was pretty easy to apply in the first place )i should have probably used it). I installed stock KKA again with odin to gain root access and then I installed Rocket Rom via CWM. just to give you an idea, bootloop etc. may happen but it is managable as long as there is ODIN and CWM
if you just want the stock LA4, just download the file and follow the guide. This may also help, it is pretty much the same for note:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEjTaFg_2Ks
you can also make a backup in CWM just in case something goes wrong but then again, process with ODIN is pretty simple to install a stock rom and CWM is not compulsory.

Thanx again. It all went well. It's nonwipe. Someware else I found its not harming my warranty. So my phone is up-to-date again.

What I did:
Downloaded latest firmware with FUS, Using the folowing guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1386356
Thats all!