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[Q] 1.1.0 vs Froyo

I've seen some comparison made in threads, but most are partial, and while I've looked into Froyo quite a bit, and even made a hack at it, I haven't come to fully understand why I should. So I thought it might be helpful to have a Pro/Con differentiation between the two; why did you go through the effort to Froyo? Why didn't you? I know some have gone Froyo and then back to Eclair. I'll try to edit this post into a list once we have some good comparisons thrown out here.
Alright, after playing with the latest Froyo and looking at this thread so far, the tentative list for newbz0rz to consider is here.
The List:
Froyo 6.6
+Flash (!)
+Higher Benchmark scores, possibly faster in certain ways
+Higher compatibility with certain apps
+Potentially more configurable
+Cut and paste
+JIT compiler (potentially increases speed)
+Launchers behave properly (i.e. add shortcuts)
+Text-to-Speech
-Choppy Flash (!)
-More effort and time (lots more) to setup equivalently capable features
-Higher risk of Nook destruction (although still low)
-Higher risk of lots of work rescuing Nook from the grave/brickyard
-No Nook Color features (i.e. B&N apps, in store access, reader, magazines, etc)
-Buggy-ish sometimes (Unstable) :-(
*-Different users seem to report very different experiences; thus, we'll just call Froyo Inconsistent
-Ignores internal 5GB storage
-Ugly notification bar mis-sizing
1.1.0 Rooted
+Stability (Consistency in a stable experience, compared to Froyo)
+Some claim smoother overall
+B&N "experience" (FWIW)
+magazines, built-in reader for those who prefer it (hint: Aldiko is better)
+Status/Notification bar at bottom with back/menu keys
-Ye Olde Android 2.1
*-No JIT
*-No Flash
-Incompatible with shiny new 2.2+ apps (not very many of those, but still)
-Possibly slower, benchmarks lower
-Dialogs don't display correctly due to B&N system configuration
-Many alternative keyboards don't work properly
-No Cut and Paste
*Evernote was a dealbreaker for me, oddly enough. I use it all the time. Also, 6.6 Froyo broke my ADB somehow, and was a huge pain for very little gain. Gotta love Nandroid. 1.1.0 rooted does 95% of what I want, while Froyo does the 5% it can't do and breaks another 10% of what already worked. But that's just me. I can wait for CM7/ a more stable Froyo before I get flash. Honestly, what flash content do I want to watch on my tablet that I cant use my netbook/desktop for? I'll stop asking questions I don't want the answer to.

The biggest plus for froyo for me was flash content. The negative is Thai it is not as smooth as 1.1.

haven't tried 1.1 yet, but froyo+launcherPro+dolphin browser is as smooth as a phone. also, plus flash content

It really comes down to this:
Rooted 1.1.0 is for people who want to have the basic(older, no flash) tablet expirence, on a platorm which runs well and requires little to no cmd-line/linux/etc. knowledge.
Rooted 1.1.0 OC'ed to .950/1.0/1.1ghz only requires a couple hours of development forum reading, a little bravery, and a NC that can handle it.
Nookie Froyo 6.6 OC'ed to 1.0/1.1ghz ON SD CARD again, only forces you to read the respective threads(twice) and have an available micro SD card(at least class-4 4gb). This is a good method to start out with because if you mess it up, just reflash the SD card.
Nookie Froyo 6.6 OC'ed 1.1ghz INSTALLED TO EMMC is not over-the-top hard. It just requires a lot of dedicated hours understanding what exactly the flash images are doing to your device. Being comforable while working in cmd-prompt/linux/android-system is a must. Acceptance of the fact that, doing so *can* break your $250 toy.

knaries2000 said:
The biggest plus for froyo for me was flash content. The negative is Thai it is not as smooth as 1.1.
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agreed Flash was upsetting otherwise i would of kept it as 1.1 right now i dual boot w/ 66 and 1.1 but using froyo i really only go back to read my magazine subscriptions, and i like the back and menu softkeys setup on the bottom in teh 1.1 not so much in froyo

woot1524 said:
It really comes down to this:
Nookie Froyo 6.6 OC'ed 1.1ghz INSTALLED TO EMMC is not over-the-top hard. It just requires a lot of dedicated hours understanding what exactly the flash images are doing to your device. Being comforable while working in cmd-prompt/linux/android-system is a must. Acceptance of the fact that, doing so *can* break your $250 toy.
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I've yet to see anyone break their $250 doing so. (In fact I don't see how it could break it). Also it doesn't require being fluent in any of those. Can you copy and paste? Okay well then youre set. Also, with people posting builds coming preinstalled with needed apps makes even using the command prompt almost uneeded (the only thing that needs to be pushed is the market).
The real downside to froyo is the lack of the B&N soft-keys on the bottom, meaning there isn't always a back and menu button on screen.
To Sum:
Froyo = Lack of softkeys permanetly there
Eclair = Slower, Lack of Flash

I tried NF for a little bit. I still have the card sitting somewhere.
For some reason, I don't feel the need to get Froyo on here until I can easily flash it like any other Android device.

I seem to remember there were certain compatibility issues along with slower benchmark results on Froyo. Is this no longer true?

vapor63 said:
I seem to remember there were certain compatibility issues along with slower benchmark results on Froyo. Is this no longer true?
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Not that I know of. Froyo Quadrant scores are a full 400 or so points above eclair.

I've got rooted/OC'd 1.1Ghz 1.1 on mine.
I don't feel the need to go to Froyo.
Once Honeycomb is perfected, though, I am SOOOOOOOO there.

MattJ951 said:
I've yet to see anyone break their $250 doing so. (In fact I don't see how it could break it). Also it doesn't require being fluent in any of those. Can you copy and paste? Okay well then youre set. Also, with people posting builds coming preinstalled with needed apps makes even using the command prompt almost uneeded (the only thing that needs to be pushed is the market).
The real downside to froyo is the lack of the B&N soft-keys on the bottom, meaning there isn't always a back and menu button on screen.
To Sum:
Froyo = Lack of softkeys permanetly there
Eclair = Slower, Lack of Flash
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True, the chances of bricking the nook color are remote. But as you can see from the dev threads, even they have warnings. Because the odds dramaticaly increase when one starts messing with system and boot mounts, or over-clocking the hardware.
The reason why I stressed the understanding of what exactly your doing, when you flash the emmc or uImage, is there are many conflicting/confusing instructions involved If you take things verbatum from threads. I just don't think it's something a novice user should try at the moment. Especialy with the loss of the abilty to do a CWM recovery(I know about the sd images and swaping the cards out to do a backup, others don't, nor have more than one sd card)
Froyo does infact have Back and Menu buttons in the status bar.
you just need to push a couple files found in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=932631
The real problem with nookie Froyo is that it's still not a daily driver. It's buggy(to an extent), it's always being updated(annoying, but part of the fun), and frankly 1.1.0 just runs better.

I am surprised that nobody bothered to mention that with Froyo, currently, you lose the ability to veiw kids picture books, newspapers, and magazines. If you care about any of that stuff, you have to stay with 1.1.0

waiting for guys at Cyanogen to release the nightlies for NC

i tried froyo last night since you can now flash through recovery.
it was a painless install but then i had to get adb running to install gapps and sdcard fix.
after running it for awhile it isn't bad but still not as smooth as 2.1. not sure why people are posting that its faster as it is not. it's little more choppy overall and has hardware acceleration problems when playing movies. as some have mentioned it is annoying not having the navigation buttons without the nook bottom bar.
i am also just waiting for cm7 and i'll say goodbye to eclair forever. it was a breeze restoring back to stock through recovery and will probably try the next update of froyo now that I know what I'm doing.

jblues1969 said:
I've got rooted/OC'd 1.1Ghz 1.1 on mine.
I don't feel the need to go to Froyo.
Once Honeycomb is perfected, though, I am SOOOOOOOO there.
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This is my exact standpoint.
If a Honeycomb (That isn't just the SDK preview) is made for the NC, I will be downloading it.

So we've got a working list running for reference; I'm sure some people have more to add? This kind of thing would have saved me a lot of time a few months ago, let alone now with the increase in crazy options.

Thanks for this list, its awesome. It helps address the questions.
I am ofcourse going to try froyo since its so easy to do so but I wanted to help decide what was going to be my daily driver, etc.
CM7 is built on 2.3 AOSP right? I am excited to read above that nightlies are coming soon?!?!?

woot1524 said:
True, the chances of bricking the nook color are remote. But as you can see from the dev threads, even they have warnings.
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The warning are there as a just in case. These roms won't short out any circuits (short of the Overclocking one) and are just standard warnings. Since the NC boots to the SD card first it shouldn't be bricked. In fact if you wish to claim it can brick it then I can equally make a claim nooter will.
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(I know about the sd images and swaping the cards out to do a backup, others don't, nor have more than one sd card)
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You don't need more than one sd card. I only have one and have successfully recovered when I was trying to do some edits myself.
woot1524 said:
Froyo does infact have Back and Menu buttons in the status bar.
you just need to push a couple files found in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=932631
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That is actually glitchy and if you read the developer even stated it himself later on. He said instead of releasing a custom ROM to fix the problems he'll just release the source code in case anyone really wants them
woot1524 said:
The real problem with nookie Froyo is that it's still not a daily driver. It's buggy(to an extent), it's always being updated(annoying, but part of the fun), and frankly 1.1.0 just runs better.
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Eclair is buggy to an extent as well and on the issue of which runs better we'll have to agree to disagree since we can only have it based on opinion. Froyo has higher quadrant scores, and runs much smoother for me. As for compatability I'll test evernote later, but I dont know of any apps I've tested that don't work in froyo but do in eclair, while theres quite a few 2.2 exclusive apps that obviously won't work in eclair. But for those who can't get apps to work in 2.2 that did in 2.1 might be worth more than those 2.2 exclusives
In the end I would suggest just dual-booting Froyo and Eclair. Theres a simple download over the developers forum's that allows this. You just put it on an sd card, then type one line on your nook and you can test both of them and decide for yourself, while always having one for backup

How is the 1.1 g?

I feel quite the opposite, I think the B&N 2.1 experience is horrible.
B&N 2.1
- Dialogs don't display right due to B&N system configuration
- Keyboards don't work properly and if the keyboard does not have the settings in the UI there is now way to configure it due to B&N config
- No Cut and Paste. The work around are horrible.
- Default B&N Apps are horrible by far the worst apps in every field.
- System settings are non standard and accessing app configurations is very difficult.
- No JIT compiler causes apps to run slower.
- Launchers do not work properly because of missing
- No Text-to-speech.
- Random reboots multiple times a day.
- Games are sluggish, basic games are just fine.
Froyo 2.2 (0.5.8)
+ JIT compiler
+ Can get the nook 4 android app (which I think is better than their stock reader)
+ Cut-n-paste
+ Text-to-speech
+ More Stable( reboots on me twice a week)
+ Default Android back end so configuring keyboard apps and other apps is possible.
+ Launchers behave properly.
+ Access to more Market apps.
+ Game experience is much smoother(thanks to the JIT).
What bugs do you see on the Froyo that you don't see on the Stock nook. If anything I've seen more issues running stock nook than foryo?

[Q] Honeycomb Froyo or Stock?

Ive done a little bit of searching and cant seem to find a thread about this (im sure there is one but i cant find it) so my question is which of the three do you like? i know there are pros and cons to all of them but i dont really know what to go with. any suggestions?

Dragracekid said:
Ive done a little bit of searching and cant seem to find a thread about this (im sure there is one but i cant find it) so my question is which of the three do you like? i know there are pros and cons to all of them but i dont really know what to go with. any suggestions?
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For me, rooted stock was definitely the easiest. It's the easiest to get working. For me' froyo was still not completely usable as it doesn't include Gapps and it's kinda funky getting them on there. Then nothing really works on honeycomb (and by that I mean downloaded apps) so if you just want to browse the interwebs that's the one for you. Froyo is if you want everything Android offers, but you better know what you"re doing. So IMO stock is the easiest and the prettiest, with honeycomb being second, and Froyo being third.

I can't speak to Froyo, but I've got the HC v04 preview running on eMMC (not SD card), and for me it is very stable.
I've got access to the market, apps seem to install fine (haven't had one fail yet, but I hear some do), and B&N works great.
Even better, the kernal included in the package I used was already OC'd to 1.1Mhz, and I'm consistently getting 1,500 to 1,600 on Quadrant.
Much better performance than I was getting on my stock Nook.
It's not perfect, and I've had to do a few tweaks (found on this site) in order to get the market working, and adhock wireless networks to show up...but for me the total install was really smooth.
The only problem I currently have is that I cannot get applications to transfer from eMMC to my SD card, so I'm running out of space to install more apps.
No way would I go back to stock...what I've got now works really well for everyday use, and will only get netter once Honeycomb goes GA.
If you do decide to "upgrade" your stock Nook, just remember that it's not a "sure deal", and that there are no guarantees things will work. While I haven't had to do so, I understand that restoring your Nook to stock is a bit of a chore, so make sure you read the "back to stock" threads before you decide to modify your Nook.
If you do decide to go with either Froyo or HC...just remember to follow instructions exactly!

DeadlyDa said:
I can't speak to Froyo, but I've got the HC v04 preview running on eMMC (not SD card), and for me it is very stable.
I've got access to the market, apps seem to install fine (haven't had one fail yet, but I hear some do), and B&N works great.
Even better, the kernal included in the package I used was already OC'd to 1.1Mhz, and I'm consistently getting 1,500 to 1,600 on Quadrant.
Much better performance than I was getting on my stock Nook.
It's not perfect, and I've had to do a few tweaks (found on this site) in order to get the market working, and adhock wireless networks to show up...but for me the total install was really smooth.
The only problem I currently have is that I cannot get applications to transfer from eMMC to my SD card, so I'm running out of space to install more apps.
No way would I go back to stock...what I've got now works really well for everyday use, and will only get netter once Honeycomb goes GA.
If you do decide to "upgrade" your stock Nook, just remember that it's not a "sure deal", and that there are no guarantees things will work. While I haven't had to do so, I understand that restoring your Nook to stock is a bit of a chore, so make sure you read the "back to stock" threads before you decide to modify your Nook.
If you do decide to go with either Froyo or HC...just remember to follow instructions exactly!
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yo, deadly, chill down a bit...nook is very hard to brick and destroy..
Since OP is here, on XDA, I suppose he knows enough to continue...
It is not so hard, trust me, pick one and try, you can start witk stock rooted...Then you will find annoying the way apps are starting, or eclair itself...So, you go and try froyo (on emmc, ofcourse), which is the closest thing to phone froyo feeling, and you'll use it happily until...One day you decide to try something new, and that would be HC...

DeadlyDa said:
I can't speak to Froyo, but I've got the HC v04 preview running on eMMC (not SD card), and for me it is very stable.
I've got access to the market, apps seem to install fine (haven't had one fail yet, but I hear some do), and B&N works great.
Even better, the kernal included in the package I used was already OC'd to 1.1Mhz, and I'm consistently getting 1,500 to 1,600 on Quadrant.
Much better performance than I was getting on my stock Nook.
It's not perfect, and I've had to do a few tweaks (found on this site) in order to get the market working, and adhock wireless networks to show up...but for me the total install was really smooth.
The only problem I currently have is that I cannot get applications to transfer from eMMC to my SD card, so I'm running out of space to install more apps.
No way would I go back to stock...what I've got now works really well for everyday use, and will only get netter once Honeycomb goes GA.
If you do decide to "upgrade" your stock Nook, just remember that it's not a "sure deal", and that there are no guarantees things will work. While I haven't had to do so, I understand that restoring your Nook to stock is a bit of a chore, so make sure you read the "back to stock" threads before you decide to modify your Nook.
If you do decide to go with either Froyo or HC...just remember to follow instructions exactly!
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Out of curiosity, what do you mean that B&N works great? Are you just talking about the Nook app from the market, or the stock B&N apps that come with the Nook when you first get it. I was under the assumption that those would be lost with any install of Honeycomb or Froyo, which has kept me from making that jump.

im leaning toward HC cuz i dont mind difficult because i enjoy doing this kind of stuff but my worry is widgets and a few apps has anyone used circle launcher or gbcoid or gameboid or any other emulator on this?
edit: also any luck on videos working? like rockplayer or yxplayer?

Rockplayer works well , NESoid works well, gonnna try pSX tonight.
Honey 4 on emmc.
@deadly read thru the emmc thread, the answer is there. Root explorer change permissions.

Dragracekid said:
im leaning toward HC cuz i dont mind difficult because i enjoy doing this kind of stuff but my worry is widgets and a few apps has anyone used circle launcher or gbcoid or gameboid or any other emulator on this?
edit: also any luck on videos working? like rockplayer or yxplayer?
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As far as I know none of the alternate builds currently support hardware-accelerated video playback, so your only real option for smooth fullscreen video is the (rooted or not) B&N Nook image. If anyone has gotten this working on a different build please let us know.
Honeycomb has a few issues, for example accelerometer input being rotated 90% in some games, and occasionally tiny hard-to-read onscreen text since it's configured for a non-native pixel density to fit the 1280x800 UI on the Nook's smaller screen. It's fun for testing and ok as a daily environment if your important apps all happen to work, but you should expect things to break.

By "B&N works great", I meant that I'm running the B&N reader from the market. Personally I like it better than the stock Nook reader.
@djurkash: As you say, "It's not so hard...", I was up and running in an hour or so. Sorry if you felt I was trying to scare anyone away. I really like what I've got...but I have also noted a bit of "HC mania", and not everyone bothers to RTFM. If someone reads through this site, and feels comfortable with the process...I hope they go for it! I'm glad I did.
@jonrobertd: I'd read through the emmc thread, and didn't see anything that addressed moving apps. I just went back through and searched on "Root Explorer" and "permissions", but didn't see anything that looked like it would help. I'm probably missing something obvious, but any assistance you could offer would be greatly appreciated (I do have Root Explorer installed and working).

jonrobertd said:
Rockplayer works well , NESoid works well, gonnna try pSX tonight.
Honey 4 on emmc.
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@jonrobertd, I just tried Rockplayer on HC v4 off SD (not overclocked), it runs at 12-15fps according to its built-in counter for original size, a bit slower for fullscreen video ([email protected], baseline H264 from Handbrake). Is that significantly better with the overclocked version? Currently it's usable but looks noticeably jerky. Of course, dual-booting to use the stock player would be a fallback option.

I have only had my nook now for 4 days so I am in no way going to put down any build. But from a new users opinion I have installed and messed with all three releases (stock rooted) (froyo) (honeycomb) And I LOVED honeycomb.
I was happy with it for a short time though due to no flash. Youtube app was a no go and the web youtube worked but was whacky.
I then went back to stock rooted and put on ADW ex. Everything just works! I am completely happy with stock running ADW until honeycomb gets more refined.
And I cant wait for that to happen because it looks very nice and is a much better user experience on the nook.

Rockplayer is much better off of eMMC and overclocked. As to running HC off SD I
can see it being slower, as the card speeds can vary.
For root explorer, I am using version 2.13.3 it works to give R/W permissions. (PM me if needed)
Apps installing to SD, use the following:
Also I follow Samuelhaff's advice and change the permissions on newsf_msdos on the /system/bin and now almost all applications install with few fails. I did it a risky way though, since I don't have ADB access I just rightclicked the file with Root Explorer, chose permissions and click in all 9 boxes, worked for me but it may be risky.
Doing this gave the me option to move to SD. I have ADB working, was just on the nook so I did it with R.E. and it worked.
If you need any more help pm me or ask here.

I have used all three (rooted stock, Nookie Froyo, and Honeycomb v4), and I am currently using a dual boot setup with stock on eMMC and NF on a microSD card. I am using rookie1's awesome multi-u-boot which allows me to choose to boot from either the SD or the eMMC at startup by pressing the home button. Stock is good for daily use, and NF is good for more cutting-edge stuff (Flash being one example). I'll probably use Honeycomb once the biggest bugs are ironed out, which will probably be after HC goes AOSP. In any case, the Nook Color has three great operating systems that you can choose from. It can't hurt to try, even if you decide to burn to eMMC instead of running off an SDcard the Nook Color is [very] hard to brick.

I just installed Sam's custom HC for emmc last night and I have to say that this is my favorite of the three options. It runs much smoother than I expected. Overall, I was not a big fan of froyo, the performance for the most part was great but I always had touch issues and keyboard lag.
1.) Sam's custom HC v4
2.) Rooted Stock 1.1
3.) Nookie Froyo emmc

I like the stock rom better, easier to root too. I've tried the HC on SD works fine but harder to setup for new nookies

i went ahead and went with HC last night and it is great so smooth and so clean the lock screen alone is just so nice, although i wish it had flash and rock player plays really choppy on my .avi anime but thats ok i can watch it on my phone. thanx guys for all you help and suggestions anyone that wants to post suggestions please do im sure there are people just like me looking for the awnsers this topic can provide

I've had my NC for a few weeks now am itching to try Froyo or Honeycomb. Something that is important to me though is the Readtome childrens books. My 3 year old really likes them. Does the market B&N appt work with these books? If not, is there a way to still use them on either Froyo or Hobeycomb (HC preferred)?
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As far as I can tell the Read To Me books only work on the app on the NC. But that's no reason not to try Froyo or HC. Just try one of the SD image versions. That's what I've been doing. Booting off SD doesn't affect whatever you have loaded on the internal memory. Going back to the B&N stock ROM is just as simple as powering down your NC, popping out the bootable SD card, popping back in your regular SD card (if you have one) and powering the NC back on.

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As far as I can tell the Read To Me books only work on the app on the NC. But that's no reason not to try Froyo or HC. Just try one of the SD image versions. That's what I've been doing. Booting off SD doesn't affect whatever you have loaded on the internal memory. Going back to the B&N stock ROM is just as simple as powering down your NC, popping out the bootable SD card, popping back in your regular SD card (if you have one) and powering the NC back on.
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I did not know you can do that with the SD card. Im going to see about doing that when I get home. Thanks.
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[Q] Thinking about getting a nook color

Hey, I've been considering buying a nook to install android on for home tablet use since I can get one from work for a decent price and my tax return is burning a hole in my pocket.
But as a good consumer I do a little research and I just had a few questions about it first.
How is the battery life on this device?
Is it really worth buying to install android on? (Have not looked at how to do it so I don't know if it's an inconvenience to do.)
Are there cheaper alternatives to an android tablet if android is an inconvenience to install on it?
Thanks!

dietotherhythm said:
Hey, I've been considering buying a nook to install android on for home tablet use since I can get one from work for a decent price and my tax return is burning a hole in my pocket.
But as a good consumer I do a little research and I just had a few questions about it first.
How is the battery life on this device?
Is it really worth buying to install android on? (Have not looked at how to do it so I don't know if it's an inconvenience to do.)
Are there cheaper alternatives to an android tablet if android is an inconvenience to install on it?
Thanks!
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First Battery life is a good 6-8+ hours depending on what your using. Having Wifi on all the time and running graphical Heavy games will drain the battery faster.
2nd, The Nook Color, already has android 2.1 on it, you can very easily root the device to enable full use of the rom. There are also several Custom Roms you can install on it instead of the Stock rom.
These can all be found in the Developers forum.
Currently you can install
CM7 (Ginger Bread 2.3.2)
Nookie Froyo (Froyo 2.2)
Honey Comb Preview (Based on HC Preview SDK Running A top 2.1 Kernel)
The Nook Color is very Capable Tablet, I have yet to run across a game that it can't handle, you will sometimes find programs that arent designed to run on the inch screen, or you might find apps that wont run on the rom you are using, but over all Most things work perfectly on it.
currently the only thing I really wish it had was Bluetooth, Which it will have when CM7 is fully done for it.

Its great
I like it...I have never run the battery down past 50 even when my phone and Eris was like at 10 so good battery. I dont ever bring a charge for it and dont see a need to do more than a nightly charge.
Very good tablet and works great with Android, the software is new so there are kinks, but they are getting worked out quickly. Overall a great little piece of tech and definitely the cheapest capable tablet.

I just picked up mine on Sunday and I've got to say after rooting it and installing a custom rom I am more than impressed. It's a very good buy for the money.

To keep my Waranty I just run Froyo off a 4 gb class 6 MicroSD without rooting my Stock and I'm very satisfied. Much more Mobile then an iPad.
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I opted for book color after buying an apad and being incredibly miserable with it. My children have micro cruz tablets and while they are good for the kids, angry birds and a TON of other stuff wont install to cruz. Rooted or not. NC is far enough into development that it is a kicker of a tablet for the price.
Alas apad is a horrible horrible waste of money. Cruz is ok. But doesn't run a ton of apps.
Screen wise the nook is incredible! Good luck to ya!
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OminousJune said:
I opted for book color after buying an apad and being incredibly miserable with it. My children have micro cruz tablets and while they are good for the kids, angry birds and a TON of other stuff wont install to cruz. Rooted or not. NC is far enough into development that it is a kicker of a tablet for the price.
Alas apad is a horrible horrible waste of money. Cruz is ok. But doesn't run a ton of apps.
Screen wise the nook is incredible! Good luck to ya!
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Ignoring the grammer there I pretty much agrea with him.
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japzone said:
Ignoring the grammer there I pretty much agrea with him.
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Hahhaa I can't belive i typed nook instead of book.
Lol
Ipad knock off apad is horrible, not sure which grammar you are referring too!
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i bought my wife a NC for christmas and overall think its a fantastic investment. heck you can watch You Tube videos on it running side by side with a Galaxy Tab and it holds its own. the Tab has a faster processor but for the money and the capabilities i would never spend money on a knock off when i can get a NC for 250. It works great for a tab, even if it doesnt have like the camera stuff on it.

If you are anything like me don't do it! You will suddenly spend a lot of time on this forum, your productivity at work will drop and you will piss off you wife!!!
Just joking!!!

jimmyz said:
If you are anything like me don't do it! You will suddenly spend a lot of time on this forum, your productivity at work will drop and you will piss off you wife!!!
Just joking!!!
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Wish I had seen a warning like this before I took the plunge. Your prediction has come true for me my friend !
Totally loving this thing with Nookie Froyo on it. Not getting much done at home these days . . wife will surely kill me soon!

Bluetooth I thought bluetooth was built in?
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therealguppy said:
First Battery life is a good 6-8+ hours depending on what your using. Having Wifi on all the time and running graphical Heavy games will drain the battery faster.
2nd, The Nook Color, already has android 2.1 on it, you can very easily root the device to enable full use of the rom. There are also several Custom Roms you can install on it instead of the Stock rom.
These can all be found in the Developers forum.
Currently you can install
CM7 (Ginger Bread 2.3.2)
Nookie Froyo (Froyo 2.2)
Honey Comb Preview (Based on HC Preview SDK Running A top 2.1 Kernel)
The Nook Color is very Capable Tablet, I have yet to run across a game that it can't handle, you will sometimes find programs that arent designed to run on the inch screen, or you might find apps that wont run on the rom you are using, but over all Most things work perfectly on it.
currently the only thing I really wish it had was Bluetooth, Which it will have when CM7 is fully done for it.
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I thought bluetooth was only built in?
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hello,
was also thinking about a NC so didn't want to start another thread. Just a few questions.
Is there a way to run the original nook software if running a custom rom? There seem to be additional features that are not present in the standard android nook app.
How does the nook button work? Can you change its assignment or perhaps have short press and long press assignments?
Is there a compass so that google sky would work?
Thanks a bunch

Alex209Cali said:
Bluetooth I thought bluetooth was built in?
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The nook's WiFi card does have Bluetooth built in(For some reason it's cheaper than a standalone) but it's been disabled in the Firmware and Devs are having trouble enabling it to the point that it could be useful.
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waste55 said:
hello,
was also thinking about a NC so didn't want to start another thread. Just a few questions.
Is there a way to run the original nook software if running a custom rom? There seem to be additional features that are not present in the standard android nook app.
How does the nook button work? Can you change its assignment or perhaps have short press and long press assignments?
Is there a compass so that google sky would work?
Thanks a bunch
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You can Dual-Boot Rooted Stock and Froyo/Honeycomb but I don't reccomend it for the un-hardcore tech-savy. Better to go the other method which Boots Nookie Froyo or Honeycomb from the MicroSD card. This can even be done without Rooting your Stock(Like I did)
The Nook button in Rooted Stock or Nookie Froyo by default works as follows:
One Tap = Home Screen(Default home screen for Stock or Default Froyo in Nookie Froyo, You can always install a Different one though)
Double Tap = Soft Keys(So you can use Buttons like Menu and Back which the Nook has no Physical Buttons for, Although you can Remap the Volume Keys to Menu and Back and use the Softkeys or other Volume App to change the Volume)
No the Nook has no Compass but you can use Google Sky Maps in Manual mode and it works fine (Bottom-Left Hand Corner)
Just ask if you have any other questions.
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japzone said:
You can Dual-Boot Rooted Stock and Froyo/Honeycomb but I don't reccomend it for the un-hardcore tech-savy. Better to go the other method which Boots Nookie Froyo or Honeycomb from the MicroSD card. This can even be done without Rooting your Stock(Like I did)
The Nook button in Rooted Stock or Nookie Froyo by default works as follows:
One Tap = Home Screen(Default home screen for Stock or Default Froyo in Nookie Froyo, You can always install a Different one though)
Double Tap = Soft Keys(So you can use Buttons like Menu and Back which the Nook has no Physical Buttons for, Although you can Remap the Volume Keys to Menu and Back and use the Softkeys or other Volume App to change the Volume)
No the Nook has no Compass but you can use Google Sky Maps in Manual mode and it works fine (Bottom-Left Hand Corner)
Just ask if you have any other questions.
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Thanks!
I wouldn't mind rooting really, my g2 is rooted ok, but really this nook isn't for me so I want to leave it simple to use (for my mom). So I may go booting from SD anyhow. Is it just a menu at boot where you choose what to load?
What all can you do extra on a rooted stock? She may not even need a custom rom. Feel free to just link me, but I couldn't find a whole lot other than just enabling market etc. Wasn't sure if there were any gotcha's on what you can & can't install rooted, or even on a custom rom for that matter.
Are those nook key swappable by chance? so where single click brought up the soft menu instead?
thank again

Button repacement
Hi,
I find 'Button Savior' (from market) a better replacement for the buttons that
Android is expecting. It displays a small 'icon' on the selected side of screen, after
touching the icon, the home/back etc. buttons display as an overlay. It has been
very reliable for me, and easy to click 'back' and home for me.
When I read in bed at night, the 'nook' button is loud and bothers my wife too!
P

waste55 said:
Thanks!
I wouldn't mind rooting really, my g2 is rooted ok, but really this nook isn't for me so I want to leave it simple to use (for my mom). So I may go booting from SD anyhow. Is it just a menu at boot where you choose what to load?
What all can you do extra on a rooted stock? She may not even need a custom rom. Feel free to just link me, but I couldn't find a whole lot other than just enabling market etc. Wasn't sure if there were any gotcha's on what you can & can't install rooted, or even on a custom rom for that matter.
Are those nook key swappable by chance? so where single click brought up the soft menu instead?
thank again
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Rooting the Stock allows you to do anything you want (Installing Android Market, Adding almost any App You want, ect...) The only real Limitations are made by the Nook's Hardware and the Fact that NC Stock is Android 2.1.
If someone else is going to be using Stock just for Normal Features I recommend not Rooting it. Instead going the SD card Boot method is better for you.
Going the SD card way gives you two OS options:
Nookie Froyo = Android 2.2
Nookie Honeycomb = Android 3.0 (Pre-Release, iereview/Demo Version)
When wanting to boot to stock, you can simply remove the MicroSD and it'll boot to Stock. Or if you wish you can Modify the MicroSD's boot file so Holding down the Home button changes what boots (see this Thread for details: [Project] Dual-Boot between NF SDcard and Stock No-Rooting)
If you install Nookie Froyo it comes with "SoftKeys" (which I like better than "Button Savior") "SoftKeys" has several ways of use:
1) Can be set to appear by Pressing the Home button Once or Twice (Home Will Appear on Second Press or First Press)(This is the Default setup and it will be 1Press:Home 2Press:SoftKeys)
2) Have a Floating Button that you can Press and make Floating Controls appear. It can be customized by changing transparency, adding a Floating D-Pad, adding Custom Buttons, and Choosing what Buttons appear.
3) or Have Both
Also in Froyo if you wish you can Remap the Menu and Back buttons to the Volume Keys on the Nook and then use "SoftKeys" or some other Volume app (Volumer++ is a great one) to change the Volume (I did this)
If you install Nookie Honeycomb it has Built-In Softkeys in the form of a Permanent Bar at the Bottom of the Screen that includes Back, Home, Task Switch, Menu, and your Notifications.

I think I may go pick one of these up in the next week or 2

[Q] What to do with Shrink-Wrapped NC for Teenager?

Hi folks. Yes, I'm another newb but not quite an idiot, and I would love your advice. We've got a new NC for a teenager who loves books but would also appreciate videos and some applications. It's just out of shrink wrap.
From my preliminary reading it sounds as if (a) only NookieFroyo provides Flash support including Flash video, and (b) B&N may be pushing Froyo shortly as stock ROM.
1. Is there any likelihood that B&N will or could in some way use this update (or any update) to prevent subsequent rooting or other hacks?
2. Are all the various mods reversible? Our concern is being able to, at worst case, revert to stock in order to have all original Nook functionality restored, including brick-and-mortar store compatibility (e.g., in-store borrowing) and especially warranty service.
3. Regarding the B&N store, the AutoNooter threads recommend registering with B&N before beginning any changes. Is this necessary, and/or absolutely required, and why? If you register and then root, will that allow you to purchase books, whereas you would not otherwise have been able to?
4. Is there a substantive difference (look, feel, or function) between the process of buying books on the original stock NC versus installing the Nook app for Android on a rooted or modded NC?
5. If one "merely" roots the device and doesn't install CM or NookieFroyo or other ROMs, can one still install apps at will? I'd be fine with sideloading if no Market app were functional.
6. My impression is that the stock NC supports very few applications but that with the upcoming upgrade B&N may be featuring a store. Is it accurate to say that in its stock form the NC is not (yet) much more than a book reader?
7. Regarding AutoNooter, it seems to have forked based on the 1.1 B&N update. Is it better to start at 1.0.1 with the original AutoNooter or to allow the 1.1 upgrade and use the GMPower fork?
8. Is an AutoNooter or other rooting procedure required before CM is applied? I assume so, but only ask because the CM procedure at Cyanogenmod.com (I can't post links yet) doesn't have a rooting step. Maybe it's the case that AutoNooter is for rooting the existing B&N image but that other ROMs can be independently booted from SD? (Told ya I'm a newb.)
9. What, if any, of the stock device's capabilities are lost (reversibly or irreversibly) by rooting and/or modding? (One I wonder about is in-store "free" reading at B&N locations.)
Obviously I'm all over the map, and I apologize. Just trying to figure out the best approach to make the kid happy (e-reading, Youtube, and web browsing would probably suffice) and not end up with a funked out device that can't be used or supported for its original purpose.
Thanks very much in advance.

1. Is there any likelihood that B&N will or could in some way use this update (or any update) to prevent subsequent rooting or other hacks?
To be honest, maybe. But, once you autonooter or install a custom rom B&N cannot OTA update your nook.
2. Are all the various mods reversible? Our concern is being able to, at worst case, revert to stock in order to have all original Nook functionality restored, including brick-and-mortar store compatibility (e.g., in-store borrowing) and especially warranty service.
Yes, there are flashable images that will revert the nook back to out-of-the-box state. look through the Dev forum.
3. Regarding the B&N store, the AutoNooter threads recommend registering with B&N before beginning any changes. Is this necessary, and/or absolutely required, and why? If you register and then root, will that allow you to purchase books, whereas you would not otherwise have been able to?
I think it's something to do with being able to connect to google's services. yes it's necessary when you stay with eclaire, not wirh froyo/CM7/honeycomb. yes, the store works with rooted eclaire.
4. Is there a substantive difference (look, feel, or function) between the process of buying books on the original stock NC versus installing the Nook app for Android on a rooted or modded NC?
you use the store the same way on a rooted-stock nook as you would on a stock one. I don't know how the look feel or function is for the b&n app, I have an original nook for reading.
5. If one "merely" roots the device and doesn't install CM or NookieFroyo or other ROMs, can one still install apps at will? I'd be fine with sideloading if no Market app were functional.
The market works with rooted-stock, but you'll eventually want to install CM7 or Honeycomb, trust me.
6. My impression is that the stock NC supports very few applications but that with the upcoming upgrade B&N may be featuring a store. Is it accurate to say that in its stock form the NC is not (yet) much more than a book reader?
A stock NC is pretty useless for anything other than reading/web surfing
7. Regarding AutoNooter, it seems to have forked based on the 1.1 B&N update. Is it better to start at 1.0.1 with the original AutoNooter or to allow the 1.1 upgrade and use the GMPower fork?
Auto-nooter 3 works just fine for 1.1.0 thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=942424
8. Is an AutoNooter or other rooting procedure required before CM is applied? I assume so, but only ask because the CM procedure at Cyanogenmod.com (I can't post links yet) doesn't have a rooting step. Maybe it's the case that AutoNooter is for rooting the existing B&N image but that other ROMs can be independently booted from SD? (Told ya I'm a newb.)
No, you do not need to root to install Froyo/CM7/HC. The nook is hard wired to boot the SD-card first if able. You can go straight from stock to CM7 with one flashed micro SD-card.
9. What, if any, of the stock device's capabilities are lost (reversibly or irreversibly) by rooting and/or modding? (One I wonder about is in-store "free" reading at B&N locations.)
This I don't know. I don't use the NC as a reader at all. My Original nook takes care of that.
Hope this helps. Happy modding.

I think all of your questions are easily answered by the FroYo SD card image. You can keep the Nook stock for reading books and warranty purposes and if you want the extras, stick the SD card in. Basically, if you haven't come across this one yet, the NC will boot off of the SD card first, then internal second. So if there's an SD card with a bootable image, you're up and running in froyo. If no SD card you're booting stock. It's a beautiful thing I tell you

So it really is that easy? It will just boot off the SD card out without any modification? Amazing.
That's the kind of thing I'd be worried about them changing or locking (vis a vis my question #1 above). My anxiety is whether to hack NOW to prevent future lockdown, or try to hack LATER after the authorized Froyo push.
Obviously the hacker community has made the NC a very hot item, but if the history of every other repurposed device (video games, DVRs, etc.) is any precedent B&N may not see it as valuable to encourage or allow it to continue.
Edit: But I'm also seeing reports that you do need to root the device in order to boot off the SD?
Thank you for the feedback, woot1524 and devis.

Running any version of android off of an sd card is EXTREMELY slow. You can reverse any hack root or mod made to the nook.. as long as the mod isnt physical ie. You scratch your name into the back of the nook no teenager will want to wait for the time it will take to run it off the sd card.. theyll just get frustrated and give up.
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woot1524 said:
1. Is there any likelihood that B&N will or could in some way use this update (or any update) to prevent subsequent rooting or other hacks?
To be honest, maybe. But, once you autonooter or install a custom rom B&N cannot OTA update your nook.
2. Are all the various mods reversible? Our concern is being able to, at worst case, revert to stock in order to have all original Nook functionality restored, including brick-and-mortar store compatibility (e.g., in-store borrowing) and especially warranty service.
Yes, there are flashable images that will revert the nook back to out-of-the-box state. look through the Dev forum.
3. Regarding the B&N store, the AutoNooter threads recommend registering with B&N before beginning any changes. Is this necessary, and/or absolutely required, and why? If you register and then root, will that allow you to purchase books, whereas you would not otherwise have been able to?
I think it's something to do with being able to connect to google's services. yes it's necessary when you stay with eclaire, not wirh froyo/CM7/honeycomb. yes, the store works with rooted eclaire.
4. Is there a substantive difference (look, feel, or function) between the process of buying books on the original stock NC versus installing the Nook app for Android on a rooted or modded NC?
you use the store the same way on a rooted-stock nook as you would on a stock one. I don't know how the look feel or function is for the b&n app, I have an original nook for reading.
5. If one "merely" roots the device and doesn't install CM or NookieFroyo or other ROMs, can one still install apps at will? I'd be fine with sideloading if no Market app were functional.
The market works with rooted-stock, but you'll eventually want to install CM7 or Honeycomb, trust me.
6. My impression is that the stock NC supports very few applications but that with the upcoming upgrade B&N may be featuring a store. Is it accurate to say that in its stock form the NC is not (yet) much more than a book reader?
A stock NC is pretty useless for anything other than reading/web surfing
7. Regarding AutoNooter, it seems to have forked based on the 1.1 B&N update. Is it better to start at 1.0.1 with the original AutoNooter or to allow the 1.1 upgrade and use the GMPower fork?
Auto-nooter 3 works just fine for 1.1.0 thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=942424
8. Is an AutoNooter or other rooting procedure required before CM is applied? I assume so, but only ask because the CM procedure at Cyanogenmod.com (I can't post links yet) doesn't have a rooting step. Maybe it's the case that AutoNooter is for rooting the existing B&N image but that other ROMs can be independently booted from SD? (Told ya I'm a newb.)
No, you do not need to root to install Froyo/CM7/HC. The nook is hard wired to boot the SD-card first if able. You can go straight from stock to CM7 with one flashed micro SD-card.
9. What, if any, of the stock device's capabilities are lost (reversibly or irreversibly) by rooting and/or modding? (One I wonder about is in-store "free" reading at B&N locations.)
This I don't know. I don't use the NC as a reader at all. My Original nook takes care of that.
Hope this helps. Happy modding.
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Your answer for number 1 and 8 apply to each other. Since the Nook is hardwired to boot from uSD, there will almost surely be rooted ROMS for it. Hope that helps clarify this point.

Oh yea, and as far as what to do for a teen...
I would go with Nookie Froyo 0.6.8 eMMC. Download and have the image to return to stock ready to go, just in case. And then be patient for when CM7 is finally cooked.
Be prepared to do most of the tinkering with NF to get it right BEFORE you give it to your teen. Once you get everything working(market, youtube, etc), then it should be ready for him/her. I have been using NF for a bit now, and once I got everything working it is great. read the forums here for a bit and you will get an idea of just how good these babies can be.
be prepared for the usual ....it's not the Xoom, an ipad, etc arguments and complaints...it's a teen you are dealing with(basing from my experiences only, with my daughter...aren't they great?).

luciferii said:
Running any version of android off of an sd card is EXTREMELY slow. You can reverse any hack root or mod made to the nook.. as long as the mod isnt physical ie. You scratch your name into the back of the nook no teenager will want to wait for the time it will take to run it off the sd card.. theyll just get frustrated and give up.
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Not for me. I find it quite fast and very usable. No issues whatsoever with it being slow.
One thing to do is to install LCD Density and change the screen density to 200 or 220 for added smoothness. It doesnt change the resolution, just the size of items on the screen to bigger and everything flows together very nicely.
The SD card 0.6.8 is my daily driver lately, I use it for work and personal email, news, reading, games, Slingbox watching... it's great. not sure what is this slowness you're talking about.

xdabr said:
So it really is that easy? It will just boot off the SD card out without any modification? Amazing.
That's the kind of thing I'd be worried about them changing or locking (vis a vis my question #1 above). My anxiety is whether to hack NOW to prevent future lockdown, or try to hack LATER after the authorized Froyo push.
Obviously the hacker community has made the NC a very hot item, but if the history of every other repurposed device (video games, DVRs, etc.) is any precedent B&N may not see it as valuable to encourage or allow it to continue.
Edit: But I'm also seeing reports that you do need to root the device in order to boot off the SD?
Thank you for the feedback, woot1524 and devis.
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No need to root to run it off of SD. Just pop it in and go.

devis said:
Not for me. I find it quite fast and very usable. No issues whatsoever with it being slow.
One thing to do is to install LCD Density and change the screen density to 200 or 220 for added smoothness. It doesnt change the resolution, just the size of items on the screen to bigger and everything flows together very nicely.
The SD card 0.6.8 is my daily driver lately, I use it for work and personal email, news, reading, games, Slingbox watching... it's great. not sure what is this slowness you're talking about.[/QUOTE
You don't have issues with the sleep of death and wifidisconnects?
That is what turned me off of froyo for Nook
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i would just root it and leave it stock.
if the teen wants to learn how to flash let 'em have at it. you can't brick a nook

xdabr said:
Hi folks. Yes, I'm another newb but not quite an idiot, and I would love your advice. We've got a new NC for a teenager who loves books but would also appreciate videos and some applications. It's just out of shrink wrap.
From my preliminary reading it sounds as if (a) only NookieFroyo provides Flash support including Flash video, and (b) B&N may be pushing Froyo shortly as stock ROM.
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well im a teenager and i can tell you that if said teen wants full video support said teen should stick on stock nook OS but rooted but if said teen wants something that runs well but with an amazing UI i recommend HC
as a teen i dont really need flash to much but it is nice to have but pretty much i used flash for youtube on the web but now that youtube streams in HTML5 on their mobile site i feel like i didnt need it as much

Beat them with it.

Canadoc said:
devis said:
Not for me. I find it quite fast and very usable. No issues whatsoever with it being slow.
One thing to do is to install LCD Density and change the screen density to 200 or 220 for added smoothness. It doesnt change the resolution, just the size of items on the screen to bigger and everything flows together very nicely.
The SD card 0.6.8 is my daily driver lately, I use it for work and personal email, news, reading, games, Slingbox watching... it's great. not sure what is this slowness you're talking about.[/QUOTE
You don't have issues with the sleep of death and wifidisconnects?
That is what turned me off of froyo for Nook
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SOD nope... not at all. Have yet to experience it. WIFI disconnects, yes... well, mostly the WIFI dance when it switches itself from off to on and to off and back to on again. But a reboot fixes it, so no biggie. There is actually a fix for it but me being the lazy bum that I am haven't gotten around to fixing it. And i'm reluctant to change to the newer image because this one runs so well why fix what ain't broke.
to OP... if you still dont know what to do with it, give it to me
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Btw, not all sd cards are alike. The ones who are complaining about Froyo running slowly off the sd card are probably not using a fast enough sd card. I suggest getting the Transcend 8 gb class 6 microSDHC card. I'm getting 13 MB/s write and 15 MB/s read speeds which is above class 10 specs.

I'm still in slight shock that you can dual boot without making ANY changes at all to the device, without so much as a BIOS tweak.
So it sounds as if you could even grab the display model or a friend's device, boot it off your SD to use Android for a while, and then just hand it back COMPLETELY unchanged, with all original functionality and data intact. That's just too easy!
The gist I'm getting is that even if B&N root locks the internal storage's OS in future updates, it's unlikely the SD card boot option will go away?
Thanks to everyone for all the feedback. (I ran out of Thanks credit.)

[Q] Help a total Nook/Android noob

Long story short: I bought my Nook to root it. I'm not a complete moron, but I'm a little overwhelmed by all of the options for modifying the Nook. I have tons of iOS experience since I have an iPhone business on the side, so I'm not afraid to mess around with something.
The problem is, the only Android device I've spent more than 20 minutes with is the Samsung Captivate, which was ridiculously easy to root and then unlock so I could sell it.
Other than that, not much Android experience.
I bought the Nook because I need a portable device to view documents and the occasional entertainment. I'm a pilot and instantly recognized the advantage of being able to take aviation publications with me everywhere, including the cockpit. I considered the iPad since I'm intimately familiar with iOS, but the cost was a little higher than I wanted to go.
So, here's what I need: a VERY stable Nook that can efficiently read PDF files, H.264 movies and still maintain respectable battery life. I will be heading overseas with less than dependable access to internet, so I need something that's pretty worry-free since I might not be able to worry with finding a fix online.
Where to start?
I've already rooted it using AutoNooter, but it seems wonky at best. The N button rarely works at all and SoftKeys isn't much help either. I currently haven't found a way to go "back" in the Market app, and still haven't figured out how to sign in on my YouTube account.
So, what are your suggestions for setup? Please be detailed with your suggestions and save the flaming for someone who cares.
Thanks!

I didn't like the stock rom either...
I went immdiatly to nookie froyo, which is the most stable rom other then stock.
You should try it.
You should also try cm7 and it varients, but those are less stable.
you can check out the tutorials on remapping the volume keys for back and menu, although I find soft keys a valiable option.

Can you point me to the best method of install for Froyo? Is it better on internal or keeping it on the SD card? I'm not worried about warranty or restoring the stock ROM, so which one is best overall?

LongbowFoSho said:
Can you point me to the best method of install for Froyo? Is it better on internal or keeping it on the SD card? I'm not worried about warranty or restoring the stock ROM, so which one is best overall?
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Try it on the SD card first, just to start. If you screw up, you can just format the card and start over, it's relatively pain free that way. But it will run a little snappier on the actual Nook eMMC, but you can always do that later.
Another factor is that B&N will be updating all Nook Colors to Froyo in April. If you run off an SD card until then, then you can root the Nook after that update (with new Autonooter built for that new update), and you will have a more stable Froyo since it will be a professional kernel built for the hardware.
You'll need a Sandisk Class 4 or 6 uSD card or a Transcend Class 6 (unless you have already bought something, in which go ahead and try that card).
The build is at:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=922324

Yeah......about that "don't flash the internal memory" part.....
Everything went great until I rebooted and now its stuck at the Android screen with the flashing cursor.
Now I'm just trying to figure out how to restore it. Ugh.
I'm using a 32GB SanDisk SDHC Class 6 card, BTW.
EDIT: Well, I was able to get the build from your link running from the SD card, but all of the processes suddenly and continually fail. All I get is pop up after pop up about errors.
I'm done screwing around with this for today. If I can't get something usable by tomorrow night, I'm selling this POS and getting an iPad. This isn't worth it just to save $100.

I don't know what all you did to the internal memory, but chances are this will work to get back to stock.
http://nookdevs.com/Flash_back_to_clean_stock_ROM
If that doesn't work then
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=945838
Softkeys works, and I use it, but it's...not intuitive...this page made things clear for me. Reading through this should get your n key working and whatnot.
http://nookdevs.com/NookColor_Default_Launcher
Disabling the service in the softkeys settings was good for me. That stupid little button was always in the wrong place no matter where I put it and wasn't useful anyhow. I also didn't install home switcher or whatever. If you get your n button set wrong, you can just clear the defaults from the app settings for whatever app is set to the n button.
Sounds like you got it rooted and everything, but here is a link for reference anyhow.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=942424
A note on those instructions: youtube did nothing but crash on me. The purpose of logging in with youtube is to get your device linked to your google account so you can get into the market. I didn't use youtube, i think i used gmail or the market itself or something. I don't remember. I just uninstalled youtube, you don't need it. Youtube video's still download and play in the default video player if you visit youtube.com from the web browser.
As far as your options for operating systems. I haven't used froyo, and haven't spent much time with honeycomb, so grain of salt and stuff. Plus it really depends on what you need/want.
Note: after booting a fresh burn for the first time, just walk away for five minutes. I'm not sure why (maybe something to do with the not quite jit doing it's thing?), but it will be more stable if you do.
Froyo gives flash and slightly better performance over stock. I think video is on par with stock, but it could be worse, i'm not sure. It's almost certainly not better. I can't speak for stability, as I haven't tried it. I think bluetooth is possible but not realistic? I know occip got the chip responding, but I haven't seen anything indicating it's useable. Links in previous posts so i won't make another.
Cyanogenmod gives all that froyo gives plus bluetooth support. Video framerate is poor (movies, not games and whatnot). Stability isn't as good as stock. Mostly it's fine but every once in a while things start force closing like mad and i have to reboot. Also battery life isn't good with cyanogenmod. Sleep has been disabled as there is a bug with it. It will still last over a day without a charge though. It's what i use day to day. Really amazing and fast moving. Seems like every day a new major bug is fixed or a whole new piece of hardware is working. Linkie:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000957
Honeycomb is really cool and it's amazing what deeperblue did (without much source omgwat?) but it's still kinda just a toy until google releases all the source code. No flash, no hardware accelerated video, no bluetooth, no reason to use it, other than aesthetics. Annoying ui glitches in portrait mode. Neat and worth an sd burn to play with, but not for using day to day in my opinion.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=936995
Of course there is no need to choose one! There are a couple option for multibooting in the forums and I intend to get around to combining a few to triple boot. Right now this is what I use:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=947698
I'm set up to boot rooted stock off internal memory and cm7 off of uSD
P.S. If you just want it to work and be a full tablet it might be worth the extra $150 or so for an IPad. The nook has been fantastically useful for my needs and I don't think i've had this much fun with a piece of kit since my first apple II. On the other hand I've wasted a fair number of hours reading about and "bricking" the thing so...ymmv depending on what your needs/wants are.

Hi, Im new here, too.
Id like to do this "Go back in Root Explorer, and in system/app, mount as r-w and rename Phone.apk and TelephonyProvider.apk to anything else (adding .bak onto the end would be fine)." But I can't change the permission...
Even I do habe only CWM 3.0.0.6 and like to have the newest one (3.0.1.0) and Iam using right now the Phirmod V5.1
Has anyone some hinds? Cheers

Can you elaborate on "can't change permissions"? Can you not find the option, or are you making the change and its not working?
For your clockwork upgrade question, is your recovery internal, or on a bootable SD?
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Thanks for the detailed response, ylixir. I'm attempting to go back to stock now and will definitely try your suggestions.
I'm still going to try Nookie since the general consensus is that it's the most stable. I don't care about BT or even Flash since I'll just be using this mostly for mobile document viewing in Afghanistan.
Thanks again and will update with my results.

chef123 said:
Hi, Im new here, too.
Id like to do this "Go back in Root Explorer, and in system/app, mount as r-w and rename Phone.apk and TelephonyProvider.apk to anything else (adding .bak onto the end would be fine)." But I can't change the permission...
Even I do habe only CWM 3.0.0.6 and like to have the newest one (3.0.1.0) and Iam using right now the Phirmod V5.1
Has anyone some hinds? Cheers
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I know you're new and all, but generally its considered rude to jump into someone else's thread and ask your own question. You'll probably get a lot more visibility (and subsequently a solution to your problem) by making your own thread.
Thanks!

LongbowFoSho said:
I know you're new and all, but generally its considered rude to jump into someone else's thread and ask your own question. You'll probably get a lot more visibility (and subsequently a solution to your problem) by making your own thread.
Thanks!
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Dude! The forum rules tell you to search and piggyback existing threads before making your own thread. The idea is that the closely related information is localized, and searching is made much more easier without having multiple threads on the same subject...
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Well, I've got it back to stock 1.1 now. I'm VERY happy to see that since I still might sell this thing if I can't make some headway with a usable ROM.

danger-rat said:
Dude! The forum rules tell you to search and piggyback existing threads before making your own thread. The idea is that the closely related information is localized, and searching is made much more easier without having multiple threads on the same subject...
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Well, this is the first forum I've ever seen that operates that way.

Well, just tried running Froyo from the SD card and it just sits at the Android splash screen (the animated one). It also did this last night, but I thought it was because of the non-functional Froyo I had flashed internally.
I guess I'll give HC a shot to see if anything actually works on this device.

Just ran HC and although I finally got past the "decrypted data" error (after three re-images and flashing, no less), I dunno.
I'm going to try rooting the stock 1.1 again and see how that goes. If I can't get comfortable with that, then I'm done. I have better things to do besides sitting around for hours and hours trying to get something to be remotely practical for every day use.
If I wanted a tinkering project, I'd buy an old car.

Autonooker is super easy to get the stock ROM working as an Android tablet.
I'm sure it's stated on the wiki that Nookie Froyo and other ROMs are in development and not meant for stable systems.
Anyway, hope Autonooker works for you

Good news! Looks like perseverence pays off because rooting 1.1 seems to have worked perfectly this time.
I am fully signed in on YouTube and email, and all the buttons are working properly.
Now that I've finally gotten that out of the way, is there a way to OC the stock ROM? Its not really a need, just curious LOL. I've seen SetCPU mentioned a few times, but IIRC its intended for 2.2 and up only. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Also, best PDF reader for stock ROM?

chef123 said:
Hi, Im new here, too.
Id like to do this "Go back in Root Explorer, and in system/app, mount as r-w and rename Phone.apk and TelephonyProvider.apk to anything else (adding .bak onto the end would be fine)." But I can't change the permission...
Even I do habe only CWM 3.0.0.6 and like to have the newest one (3.0.1.0) and Iam using right now the Phirmod V5.1
Has anyone some hinds? Cheers
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Get a Terminal Emulator from the Market. Now type in the following:
If running off SD
Code:
su
mount -o rw,remount /dev/block/mmcblk1p2 /system
If running off EMMC
Code:
su
mount -o rw,remount /dev/block/mmcblk0p5 /system
Hope this helps.
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Everything I'm installing doesn't show up on the Extras page. If I want to open FB or Dolphin or something like that, I have to search for it.
A little help?

LongbowFoSho said:
Everything I'm installing doesn't show up on the Extras page. If I want to open FB or Dolphin or something like that, I have to search for it.
A little help?
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Install a new launcher, such as Zeam, Launcher Pro, or ADW. I prefer Zeam myself. Then you'll be able to immediately see new apps you've installed.