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HD2 and WinMo 7

I am new to this XDA and am awaiting my time for renewel to get the HD2 - this will be in January which means I will be about 2 or 3 months away from the release of WinMo 7. My question is about the HD2 and the possibility of it being able to upgrade to the new OS out next year.
Also when MS releases minor updates to the WinMo OS how do you get them to your phone.
I am probably asking simple questions but this seems a great place to ask and get a straight answer.
Thansk
Scott

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UberScooter said:
I am new to this XDA and am awaiting my time for renewel to get the HD2 - this will be in January which means I will be about 2 or 3 months away from the release of WinMo 7. My question is about the HD2 and the possibility of it being able to upgrade to the new OS out next year.
Also when MS releases minor updates to the WinMo OS how do you get them to your phone.
I am probably asking simple questions but this seems a great place to ask and get a straight answer.
Thansk
Scott
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Hi Scott
Minor updates through windows update on the phone;
Re. Windows 7 nobody really knows if they will be able to upgrade to the official version. The hardware seems to be there so it depends on if HTC will release an updated Rom for it (assuming your provider has not put their own customised one on the phone in which case in which case you are reliant on them as the HTC Roms won't work.
On the other hand I am sure that after a little while you will be able to find a rom here that you can flash to if you want to and are brave enough to.

A rule of thumb I have for myself to evaluate the probability of an official ROM upgrade from HTC is this:
If a new OS version comes out within 6 months of a device release then you have a good chance to get an upgrade. So if WM7 is released in Q1 2010 then we may get it.
HTC got the habit of releasing their flagship devices right before the Christmas shopping season. This means that by this time in 2010 we're very likely to get an HD3, and HTC won't spoil the show by giving a second life to their by that time outdated cash cow. So WM7 in Q4 2010 equals no upgrade for sure.
Q3 2010 = not likely at all, but not impossible
Q2 2010 = not likely, but possible.
Something like that. Now if somebody can pick their HD2 and give a call to Steve Ballmer and ask when WM7 is going to be out we can continue the guessing game with more data than we have now.

vangrieg said:
A rule of thumb I have for myself to evaluate the probability of an official ROM upgrade from HTC is this:
If a new OS version comes out within 6 months of a device release then you have a good chance to get an upgrade. So if WM7 is released in Q1 2010 then we may get it.
HTC got the habit of releasing their flagship devices right before the Christmas shopping season. This means that by this time in 2010 we're very likely to get an HD3, and HTC won't spoil the show by giving a second life to their by that time outdated cash cow. So WM7 in Q4 2010 equals no upgrade for sure.
Q3 2010 = not likely at all, but not impossible
Q2 2010 = not likely, but possible.
Something like that. Now if somebody can pick their HD2 and give a call to Steve Ballmer and ask when WM7 is going to be out we can continue the guessing game with more data than we have now.
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I suspect the only reason the Diamond 2 and Touch Pro 2 got 6.5 was that by the time it came for a US release, 6.5 was about to hit and they'd looking stupid with a "premier" device with 6.1 being outdaded in weeks. Of course then they had to give it to the rest of the world...
I put the chance of an official WM7 upgrade at about 1%.. and that's including a 1% chance of Microsoft forcing their hand. WM7 and the HD3 (or otherwisenamed spiritual successor) will both hit in about 12 months.

mr_Ray said:
I suspect the only reason the Diamond 2 and Touch Pro 2 got 6.5 was that by the time it came for a US release, 6.5 was about to hit and they'd looking stupid with a "premier" device with 6.1 being outdaded in weeks. Of course then they had to give it to the rest of the world...
I put the chance of an official WM7 upgrade at about 1%.. and that's including a 1% chance of Microsoft forcing their hand. WM7 and the HD3 (or otherwisenamed spiritual successor) will both hit in about 12 months.
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Actually that is one of the things the iphone has going for it - It has changed so little from when it was originally released that other than the size of the drive they are really very similar (most of the changes being available to existing phones through os updates).
Actually - come to think of it I don't know if that is really an advantage or just boring!

wildgoose1uk said:
Actually that is one of the things the iphone has going for it - It has changed so little from when it was originally released that other than the size of the drive they are really very similar (most of the changes being available to existing phones through os updates).
Actually - come to think of it I don't know if that is really an advantage or just boring!
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Yup it's the other side of the coin. They have the stability of platform implementation that WinMo lacks, but that stability leads to stagnation. Developers know 100% what the target platform will be (well maybe a little faster, an added feature here and there, but essentially a keyboardless portrait HVGA device) but it also means that the consumer will never have the option of one of the countless form factor options available on WinMo.
Stability vs. flexibility. Both have their pros and cons and you only get to pick one. Microsoft & Google have gone one way, Apple the other. It's good that we have the choice.

Indeed it is

Update Delayed! :-(

Sorry guys, you might know this already but the update for WP7 have been delayed and I have a feeling it's going to be delayed even further (because the carriers may want to do their thing with it too).
They're now saying it's AT LEAST a month away, maybe more, due to CDMA compatibility.
Source: http://wmpoweruser.com/two-windows-phone-7-updates-coming-before-mid-year/

The update may be just around the corner. I saw a knowledgde base article for troubleshooting the update process.
Here check it out.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2484484

Truthfully, the part that pisses me off is the lack of providing any real date or time frame at all. It seems to me that most of this (when the update is coming) is speculation based on really good guesses and small hints people find. And MSFT thinks it's ok to just leave us lingering and guessing while all the while, people continue to talk more crap about how they've done a terrible job thus far (even thought I don't feel totally that way). The only way I see this being ok is if I plug in my phone after typing this message and all of a sudden I see an update is available today Doubt it though

nitroxn said:
The update may be just around the corner. I saw a knowledgde base article for troubleshooting the update process.
Here check it out.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2484484
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I don't mean to be a buzzkill but I don't think that's a good indication that the update is coming soon. "just around the corner" is also subjective to some that may mean in a week, to others that may mean in a few months.
For me I wish the update was here already.
WP7 takes some getting used to, but I've given my EVO and Nexus a much needed rest. I grew to absolutely love the interface on WP7! It's so fluid, and the performance is so consistent, I've yet to see my HD7 slow down at all.
The first update is supposed to bring a lot of change and I'm really anxious see how MS does, because this will be an solid indication of how serious they take WP7 which seems to be pretty serious. We'll see though.

fnordelus said:
I don't mean to be a buzzkill but I don't think that's a good indication that the update is coming soon. "just around the corner" is also subjective to some that may mean in a week, to others that may mean in a few months.
For me I wish the update was here already.
WP7 takes some getting used to, but I've given my EVO and Nexus a much needed rest. I grew to absolutely love the interface on WP7! It's so fluid, and the performance is so consistent, I've yet to see my HD7 slow down at all.
The first update is supposed to bring a lot of change and I'm really anxious see how MS does, because this will be an solid indication of how serious they take WP7 which seems to be pretty serious. We'll see though.
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I think we will see the update during the MWC in Feb 2011... I was trying to be positive about it by believing that it will be coming out in Jan 2011.... I do miss the multitasking now and then also the cut and paste few times in past few months... But not a big thing, however I will like to see the battery improvements and camera update also the performance upgrade from the best windows os we currently have....

I was expecting also to see some evolution during January but I now I really believe that a more realistic approach is to expect to have nice upgrade during Q1, maybe March.

[Q] Question about future updates...

I've looked around, and couldn't find a solid answer, so I thought i'd ask.
I'm a n00b when it comes to the smart phone world. I've been using the same nokia cellphone for 4 years now, and it refuses to break. But the other day, I wrapped my hands around the HD7 and fell in love.
However, looking around online and reading more than 10 reviews, including Anandtech's 32 pager, there seem to be some glaring... i don't want to say problems, but maybe oversights with the functionality within WP7. So I must ask:
Regarding WP7 and the HD7, since the HD7s launch, has there been any updates to the WP7 OS?
Will there be any (official) updates to WP7 in the future, and will it be easy to update? Like, is it just as easy as getting a wireless internet signal on the phone and downloading the update?
and just for fun, in your opinion, do you think that some changes will be made to WP7 that make it more customisable in the future? Are updates like these possible for this type of phone?
Main reason I ask is that i've never owned a smart phone, and have NO clue on how updating works.
From what i've seen in the past, if something gets 'outdated' or is 'not robust enough', the company will just put out a brand new phone, making the previous one seem like a waste. I know why i shouldn't feel that way, but with cellphones, I do.
Which is why i'm wondering, if there are some 'problems' with WP7, is it possible that updates or fixes will be out in the future.
Sorry for seeming long-winded. I just don't want to seem TOO n00bie... been an avid tech-head for 20 years, but the cellphone thing just never got me.
Until the HD7. Grrrrr...
EDIT:
omg, i just saw the windows phone 7 updates thread.
lol

as you've seen updates are coming, features will get added, I doubt the interface will become more customisable, what will happen is Microsoft will release the tight grip it has regarding what devs can and cant do, which will lead to more great apps and hubs.
just incase you hadn't seen the update procedure, you get notified on your phone that an update is available, when you get home you plug the phone into your PC the zune software fires up, tells you an update is available and asks do you want to install, if you say yes, Zune takes a backup of your phone, downloads the new ROM and then installs it for you, while you get a cup of tea.
Hope this helps

frontieruk said:
as you've seen updates are coming, features will get added, I doubt the interface will become more customisable, what will happen is Microsoft will release the tight grip it has regarding what devs can and cant do, which will lead to more great apps and hubs.
just incase you hadn't seen the update procedure, you get notified on your phone that an update is available, when you get home you plug the phone into your PC the zune software fires up, tells you an update is available and asks do you want to install, if you say yes, Zune takes a backup of your phone, downloads the new ROM and then installs it for you, while you get a cup of tea.
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Cool, thank you very much
Any news about flash coming to the browser???
haha

If I had to...what should I pick...

Hey all,
Past couple of days been doing some research. Thoroughly confused TBH. Can't decide which is better...
Now, I'm on Android and not dying to get rid of it or something. But just keeping an eye open for better alternatives.
My sole concern is price. I believe WP8 is a fantastic product. But has got a ridiculous price tag. The kind of money MS is asking for is just bizarre. Nonetheless, I currently can't decide what to pick, LUMIA 920 or the HTC 8X.
Also, a question to everyone who has a WP8, are you truly satisfied in your experience with it or do you think Android is a better bet?
Sent from my RaZr on MIUI.

I'm in the same boat really, I have always used Android but starting to get a little bored with it so looking to try something else. iOS is okay but not for me, so am really looking into WP. The app store worries me, although most of what I use there is already an equivalent app, but it's nice to have more choice.
Have been looking at the 8X but the price is a little high, especially compared to the new Nexus 4. I don't know. Not sure if I would get bored with a Windows Phone, maybe a little more digging into it is needed.

If you keep the Nexus 4 out of the picture then the WP8 phones are priced pretty similar to what new Android phones are priced at, so actually I don't see why you think those would be problematic. Given that the Nexus 4 is also priced in that price range if provided by LG instead of Google (which it is in many countries as there is no Google Play Store there).
Aside from that WP8 vs. Android for most people will simply come down to preference. For some it will depend on certain Apps they rely on and have no equivalent. I personally currently have a HTC Titan with WP7.5 and will get my Lumia next week. For work I have an SGS2 (currently running CM9.1) and I actually prefer WP.
In the end I can only encourage you to really dig into the threads people opened on what they miss in WP. Sometimes they get told how it works in WP, sometimes it simply can't be done but it will give you a better picture than asking us WP users what we think because pretty obviously there are only 2 types:
1.) People who tried WP and don't like it (who will do anything to push you away from the OS)
2.) People who tried WP and like it (and will tell you that you won't need anything else)
In the end no two people are really alike in what they need so the only way to go is to really do some research. WP7 has been my daily driver for 2 years now and a lot of the stuff I was actually missing in the beginning is there in WP8 now (last thing I was missing was backgrounding of Skype). But there obviously are still functionalities someone might need that are not (one example is PPTP VPN - I don't need it, most don't need it but if you do it might be a dealbreaker).
As for the decission Lumia 920 vs HTX 8X. For me the great low light performance of the Lumia and the better App support made me go the Nokia-route. Also I simply wanted 32 GB of storage. My biggest problem with the 8X is that I simply detest the look of the colored speaker grill on the front (otherwise the design is really nice). Weight might be another thing that makes you want to go with the 8X.

R3ACTOR4 said:
Hey all,
Past couple of days been doing some research. Thoroughly confused TBH. Can't decide which is better...
Now, I'm on Android and not dying to get rid of it or something. But just keeping an eye open for better alternatives.
My sole concern is price. I believe WP8 is a fantastic product. But has got a ridiculous price tag. The kind of money MS is asking for is just bizarre. Nonetheless, I currently can't decide what to pick, LUMIA 920 or the HTC 8X.
Also, a question to everyone who has a WP8, are you truly satisfied in your experience with it or do you think Android is a better bet?
Sent from my RaZr on MIUI.
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Ive had Windows Phone for a couple years now. First one was the Trophy. Before that I had an Android Incredible and I now have a Nokia Lumia 920. I just switched from Verizon to ATT, and must admit, primarily so I could have the flagship WP8 phone.
I have to be honest. While I do love the phone (though it really is a bit big. Im selling my Trophy/Incredible and picking them up for the first time in a long time after having the 920 for a few weeks is strange. They seem so small, but in a good way as I can hold them in one hand and easily do tasks on them. But thats another story)
I do like the WP OS. I enjoy the look of it, and have always been partial to Windows/MS stuff. But I have to admit that there are indeed somethings that I really miss from Android. Specifically, I do miss choice. What I mean by that is with things like Email clients, messaging clients, true 3rd party browsers, customization. You will be limited to what MS has as base apps for these things. MS has the OS locked down to prevent Devs from giving us anything different when it comes to these things. Now while I do like how the Email works, and now real complaints about the messaging, itd be nice to have choice.
Here is just a small list of some things that are different that youll have to accept if you come from Android. Its up to you how important these things are, and if you want to make the switch.
1. Live Tiles. I actually love the tiles. Great visual aspect of the OS that sets it apart from others. I do find it annoying that even with WP8, there is a very limited choice of color. They give you a few more than WP7, but rather than let us make any color, we are still limited to a handful of choices. It wouldve been very easy for them to do this, I dont know why they didnt.
2. No real notification center. Most are aware of this by now, but I expect that MS is actually working on a notification center as we speak. So I wouldnt be too concerned with it at the moment, as I believe they will get an update out to give us this feature in the not too distant future.
3. Mail, messaging, browser clients. What you see is what you get. I always hoped theyd loosen up a little on this and let Devs provide different options but I dont think that will ever happen. Mail actually works well but its still limited. For example, you cant specifically download any attachment file to a folder. You can only open a pdf/pic/music file. On Android, I could open and save any file I received to a folder and access it later. Same goes with the browser. You cant save any file. IE is quick, but there is no dedicated back button. Very few options. On Android, Dolphin HD Browser was the best mobile browser ive ever used. You will never see a browser like that on WP's.
No other messaging clients either.
4. Back up of apps/data to SD Card. You dont have that on WP8. They have improved the back up utility, but it is still nothing like Titanium Backup. That app was awesome on Android. You could back up App data as you saw fit to your SD card and it was easy to re-install. Again, you will never see an app like Titanium backup on WP. MS lock downs have prevented that.
5. Tethering. It was rather easy to tether without having to pay some extra fee for it on Android. Not so much with WPs. Not sure if its the same on Android as it use to be, but if you enjoyed free tethering, it probably wont happen with WP.
Im sure there are more, cant think of any at the moment as Im a little tired. Its been a while since I had Android. I do miss it but I remember flashing ROMs alot. I dont remember if I did it more to improve my experience or just for phone. Probably a little of both but it did get old updating a ROM every week or so. But I will say this. There was next to nothing my Android phone couldnt do. That is what I really miss about it. Completely customizable, devs could do next to anything as they werent locked out of certain aspects of the phone.
Sometimes I ask myself why I switched to WP. Im a bit torn as of now and not sure where I am going next. I wish I knew what MS's agenda was for the future. What are they working on to improve upon, and what new features. At this point in time, Im going to give them another year, see what they come up with. But part of me is ready to go back to Android.
Sorry for the long winded post. Honestly, think about what you love most about Android. And no matter how silly, ask of those specific things are possible or featured on WP. Something you take for granted my not be here. So ask. Check out WPCentral too and ask questions there too.

Are iOS updates better?

So I know by posting on here that I am having issues with my iPhone experience, I'm going to get hammered with comments and people thinking. Well what did you expect was going to happen.
Since switching from android to iOS, I've started getting involved in macrumors forum.
The forum is littered with hundreds of people commenting on bugs with the new iOS update. It seems to affect people at random. However, my wife was having a lot of issues and problems with her 5 after updating to iOS 8.0. Which was released two days before the iphone 6 came out. I was the first to download it and honestly haven't experienced any bugs with it that a lot of others are having.
But the simple fact that so many people are having problems with the update really pisses me off and really makes me question Apple in general. Or maybe just iOS. I know that Apple makes a really good operating system for their macs but honestly I think iOS doesn't even come close to the quality of OS X for their macs.
But how in the world can Apple release such garbage when it comes to system software updates. I had heard about people in the past updating their older iPhones to the latest versions of iOS and reporting that it slowed their phone down. But this is the first time I've seen it with my own eyes.
Heck one of main reasons I left android is because I wanted a phone that would receive the latest updates. But if they are garbage, then what's the benefit. People will keep saying, oh they'll release an update to fix it. Which is what ends up happening. They released iOS 7.0 last year and then they spent the rest of the year releasing minor updates to fix all the bugs.
So before iOS was released, the latest version was 7.1.2. I feel like I'm back on android installing custom roms that are in beta.
And as I was watching my wife restore her phone back to the previous version 7.1.2, I saw all of the headache and frustration it caused her. I saw her stress level go up because it was so difficult to do. Even then, she had to reset her phone twice. Then as she was fixing all of her notifications, she was getting frustrated with how difficult it was finding all of her notification settings. It's like you have to do a lot of digging through the settings to find how to adjust them and I was remembering how simple it is to change settings on an android.
I know I'm rambling and will probably get this thread closed down. Maybe not. But I had to shared frustrations somewhere.
I know it will be difficult for me to convince my wife that I would like to switch back just over this because my current phone is the fourth phone in two years. I sold two android phones because I was addicted to rooting and flashing roms. So I bought my 5s through Verizon's edge program and am paying an extra $37 a month for my 32gb version. It was by far one of the most expensive phones to get on edge. So I was able to talk her into my getting the 32gb 5s.
At this point I could find someone on Craigslist who is willing to swap phones with me but I'm only willing to accept an M8 or G3. I've seen both of those on there but again I'm not sure I could talk her into letting me back on android. I feel like of the two phones, the M8 is something if be more happy with. It will probably receive more updates than the G3 but the G3 has the better camera.
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Juice3250 said:
So I know by posting on here that I am having issues with my iPhone experience, I'm going to get hammered with comments and people thinking. Well what did you expect was going to happen.
Since switching from android to iOS, I've started getting involved in macrumors forum.
The forum is littered with hundreds of people commenting on bugs with the new iOS update. It seems to affect people at random. However, my wife was having a lot of issues and problems with her 5 after updating to iOS 8.0. Which was released two days before the iphone 6 came out. I was the first to download it and honestly haven't experienced any bugs with it that a lot of others are having.
But the simple fact that so many people are having problems with the update really pisses me off and really makes me question Apple in general. Or maybe just iOS. I know that Apple makes a really good operating system for their macs but honestly I think iOS doesn't even come close to the quality of OS X for their macs.
But how in the world can Apple release such garbage when it comes to system software updates. I had heard about people in the past updating their older iPhones to the latest versions of iOS and reporting that it slowed their phone down. But this is the first time I've seen it with my own eyes.
Heck one of main reasons I left android is because I wanted a phone that would receive the latest updates. But if they are garbage, then what's the benefit. People will keep saying, oh they'll release an update to fix it. Which is what ends up happening. They released iOS 7.0 last year and then they spent the rest of the year releasing minor updates to fix all the bugs.
So before iOS was released, the latest version was 7.1.2. I feel like I'm back on android installing custom roms that are in beta.
And as I was watching my wife restore her phone back to the previous version 7.1.2, I saw all of the headache and frustration it caused her. I saw her stress level go up because it was so difficult to do. Even then, she had to reset her phone twice. Then as she was fixing all of her notifications, she was getting frustrated with how difficult it was finding all of her notification settings. It's like you have to do a lot of digging through the settings to find how to adjust them and I was remembering how simple it is to change settings on an android.
I know I'm rambling and will probably get this thread closed down. Maybe not. But I had to shared frustrations somewhere.
I know it will be difficult for me to convince my wife that I would like to switch back just over this because my current phone is the fourth phone in two years. I sold two android phones because I was addicted to rooting and flashing roms. So I bought my 5s through Verizon's edge program and am paying an extra $37 a month for my 32gb version. It was by far one of the most expensive phones to get on edge. So I was able to talk her into my getting the 32gb 5s.
At this point I could find someone on Craigslist who is willing to swap phones with me but I'm only willing to accept an M8 or G3. I've seen both of those on there but again I'm not sure I could talk her into letting me back on android. I feel like of the two phones, the M8 is something if be more happy with. It will probably receive more updates than the G3 but the G3 has the better camera.
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ask the millions of people who had their phones broken with the 8.0.1 update
oh ... and bad move going from android to iPhone

iOS?
Here is androiders! Brick the phone and repair it! Brick it.. Repair it! Brick! Repair!
TapaTalked from my MultiROM Xperia™ Z (C660²) running Dirty Unicorns OR PAC MAN ROM!

BruKnowsBest said:
ask the millions of people who had their phones broken with the 8.0.1 update
oh ... and bad move going from android to iPhone
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I’ve always had Android phones and only one iPhone but I like the fact that Apple sends OTA updates at the same time for everyone. I hate how Google and the Manufacturers/Carriers perform a gradual OTA updates that take weeks or sometimes even months... although as you said Apple does prompt updates but full of bugs