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I am a new android/captivate buyer. Try as I might (googled for a few hours) I could not find anything on the Captivate and it's Hd playback. My question is:
Is there a way I can play Youtube HD on my Captivate via stream? (and NO I don't mean High Quality I mean straight up HD *720p*.).
I'm just mad the iphone 4 can and I can't find a way to do it on my captivate.
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Jose
I'm not sure if there is a way to do it or not but it may be worth pointing out that the captivate screen doesn't have the resolution to display 720p. I have heard that the iPhone 4 packs a very large number of pixels so 720p probably makes sense on that phone. I have also heard that the pixels are so small that they may not be entirely decernible to the human eye.
I would be interested in knowing if you do find a way to view 720p on the captivate. I'm more interested in downloading than viewing though.
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Not sure about youtube HD but I have played 720P files on my Captivate with no problem whatsoever and it looks fantastic. The Captivate may not have a
720P resolution but it will still look better than 480P.
pside15 said:
Not sure about youtube HD but I have played 720P files on my Captivate with no problem whatsoever and it looks fantastic. The Captivate may not have a
720P resolution but it will still look better than 480P.
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I totally agree. I watch podcasts (pardon the term) in 720p on the captivate and they are breathtaking. When I said 720p didn't make sense I was thinking more from the angle of the developer. As a user I would love to have the full selection of resolutions to choose from
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Now that I heard you can put Honeycomb 3.0 on the Nook Color, I am thinking of getting it today at B&N.
However, I will be using the device mainly for watching movies and I love to convert movies. I will be converting 720p .mkv movies to .avi format with 1024x600 resolution and 2,000 kbits rate to get the best video quality.
My question is: Can it play .avi files with 1024x600 resolution and 2,000 kbits rate super smooth on Honeycomb?
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Now that I heard you can put Honeycomb 3.0 on the Nook Color, I am thinking of getting it today at B&N.
However, I will be using the device mainly for watching movies and I love to convert movies. I will be converting 720p .mkv movies to .avi format with 1024x600 resolution and 2,000 kbits rate to get the best video quality.
My question is: Can it play .avi files with 1024x600 resolution and 2,000 kbits rate super smooth on Honeycomb?
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Looking at the Honeycomb thread:
Doesn't work:
-Sound (sadly! Despite my efforts the last hours I didn't get it working properly yet)
-DSP e.g. no hardware video decoding
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So that would seem to be a significant barrier to your plan ;-)!
In the basic 2.1, the recommendation is for MP4 (H.264) at 1,100 kbps. I recently watched Inception at that setting and it was perfect for the Nook Color.
Check out this thread regarding Handbrake settings for the Nook Color: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=894165
for any kind of hi-res content, you'll want to use hardware accelerated playback. Unfortunately, the chip in the nook only supports a certain video codec and resolution. h.264 basic profile and a max of 800x480. 1100 kbps looks pretty good.
Any other codec or higher resolution will rely on the software renderer, and it will be very choppy.
I created a nook color preset for handbrake you might find helpful. It will convert your 720p movies to the highest quality the nook supports.
saeba said:
Check out this thread regarding Handbrake settings for the Nook Color: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=894165
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You added the link to my thread while I was replying to this one.
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You added the link to my thread while I was replying to this one.
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Yes, I went back and looked up your thread since I successfully used your presets and wanted to say thanks. They worked great and the results made a long flight from Denver to Orlando very enjoyable !
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for any kind of hi-res content, you'll want to use hardware accelerated playback. Unfortunately, the chip in the nook only supports a certain video codec and resolution. h.264 basic profile and a max of 800x480. 1100 kbps looks pretty good.
Any other codec or higher resolution will rely on the software renderer, and it will be very choppy.
I created a nook color preset for handbrake you might find helpful. It will convert your 720p movies to the highest quality the nook supports.
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You guys just burst my bubble. If the max resolution that it can play is only 800x480, then I guess I will not be buying the Nook Color. Even my HD2 can play mpg4 file that is encoded in 800x480 with 2,000 kbps smooth as butter without problem. If the NC cannot play 1024x600 with 2,000 kbps, then what is the use?
I guess I will have to wait for the Xoom to come out.
800x480 looks great. The nook scales it up to 1024x600, and the pixel density is high enough that you see no pixels. It looks very smooth.
You do realize that the hd2 has a 1ghz snapdragon processor. While we only have an 800mhz stock that can be overclocked to something equivalent. Why would you expect it to do better than the hd2? I would say they would be the same. But if the difference is worth the extra $350 premium then go for it. 854x480 at 1100kbps looks amazing on the nook.
The biggest dissapointment with my Nook is the video playback. Its not horrendous on eclair, but I have absolutely no luck with it on these froyo builds. Probably going to go back to 2.1 soon just so I can at least view some videos again.
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The biggest dissapointment with my Nook is the video playback. Its not horrendous on eclair, but I have absolutely no luck with it on these froyo builds. Probably going to go back to 2.1 soon just so I can at least view some videos again.
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There's no hardware video decoding on Froyo yet.
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You do realize that the hd2 has a 1ghz snapdragon processor. While we only have an 800mhz stock that can be overclocked to something equivalent. Why would you expect it to do better than the hd2? I would say they would be the same. But if the difference is worth the extra $350 premium then go for it. 854x480 at 1100kbps looks amazing on the nook.
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I never thought of owning the Nook Color until I heard about being able to put Honeycomb on it. I prematurely got excited and thought that it can do good video playback since my HD2 is excellent at playing 800x480 file at 2,000 kbps encoding. I knew that it can be overclocked to become more powerful. If it can only do 854x480 at 1100 kbps then it is a big disappointment. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If 854x480 at 1100 kbps looks good to you, it may not look good to me because of possible pixelation. I want a device that can play full screen resolution with high bit rate. I know that it would require bigger memory card/bigger storage space and slightly consume more power but that is what I am willing to sacrifice.
Well, I guess I have to get either the Xoom or the G-Slate. I don't mind paying extra for it. Just put in some extra work time and I will get a device that I will be happy with.
I love gadgets and love to tinker with them and that is why I enjoy putting all kinds of available OS onto my HD2. I was just about buy the NC just to tinker with it but I guess I will wait until the great people at XDA can somehow get hardware video acceleration on the NC to be able to play videos at higher settings.
Thanks for all the info about the nook's video capability. It was very informative.
DSP support?
What are the chance the DSP will get supported in Froyo/Honeycomb?
So even with hardware acceleration we only get [email protected]
Mike
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Any idea if this would work better if the nook was oc'd to 1.1, I guess once the dsp is fixed maybe that and a 1.1 cpu will work.
While i do lov to play 720p videos on my captivate (its screens is 800x480) it is down scaling those videos... the main reason i do 720p is because thats what tubemate will let me download them as and still work..
That being said he 480p that the NC can so is still a very good picture.. Normal CTR TV's are only 480i dvd's are at 480p and they still look good on my 42" 1080p tv.. not as good as blu-ray but still good.. and thats stretched to 42" were talking about 7"
1080p 42in= 52.45 DPI
1680x1050 20in monitor= 99.06 DPI
NC running 800x480 at 7inch= 133.28 DPI
NC running 1024x600 at 7inch= 169.55 DPI
Now.. looking at those numbers.. so you REALLY need to run at 1024x600? even at the 800x480 your getting less pixelation then you do on a 42inch 1080p tv.. yes the NC is held ALOT closer.. but even so.. its still giving you DVD quiality picture in your hand on a 7inch screen..
The video playback is definitely disappointing. It sucks not being able to just download a video and just watch it.
I'm getting a bit lost from the conflicting opinions. I'm a lazy and VERY not fussy video viewer. My main use of my NC is to watch videos that were originally made for an iPhone.
Bottom line... Now that sound is working in honeycomb to the NC. am I going to be able to watch my simple iphone type videos on my NC if I take it up to honeycomb? Remember. I'm not at all fussy about quality as long as it isn't too terribly jerky.
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I'm getting a bit lost from the conflicting opinions. I'm a lazy and VERY not fussy video viewer. My main use of my NC is to watch videos that were originally made for an iPhone.
Bottom line... Now that sound is working in honeycomb to the NC. am I going to be able to watch my simple iphone type videos on my NC if I take it up to honeycomb? Remember. I'm not at all fussy about quality as long as it isn't too terribly jerky.
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From what i understand (and thats not much =) currently honeycomb still has NO hardware acceleration for video.. nither does froyo so the best video playing on a NC you can get is currently running a rooted stock rom.. encoded at 800x480 or below.. the iphone 3gs and older all have a screen size of 480x320 so they SHOULD work as long as they were encoded properly (right codec and such)
Although I understand the excitement, this seems like a very premature discussion. Despite the repeated statement that honeycomb is available on the NC, out is in fact not. What you are seeing is actually an SDK build. Software Developers Kit. For development. And the first SDK at that. You are essentially seeing an emulator running on the nook screen.
Before everyone goes nuts I know that is not technically correct, but it is as correct as saying we are running full honeycomb.
After an AOSP build is released we will see a more functional version and eventually probably see better integration with the video hardware. And for my final rain on this parade...I am a professional video content creator. And if you think you are able to see the difference between DVD quality and 2100 stream HD on a 4.3 inch screen, you are mistaken. Or have vision above that of mortal men.
For the record I owned an HD2, now use the Evo and also own a NookColor.
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...I am a professional video content creator. And if you think you are able to see the difference between DVD quality and 2100 stream HD on a 4.3 inch screen, you are mistaken. Or have vision above that of mortal men.
For the record I owned an HD2, now use the Evo and also own a NookColor.
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Ok i'm confused by this part...
No one was really talking about the 4.3 inch screen..
ANYWAYS the dvd quality vs 2100 stream HD by that do you mean a 2100/kbps steam?
if thats the case then its not a surprise seeing as 2100/kbps is enough to stream at 480p.... which is dvd quality
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Ok i'm confused by this part...
No one was really talking about the 4.3 inch screen..
ANYWAYS the dvd quality vs 2100 stream HD by that do you mean a 2100/kbps steam?
if thats the case then its not a surprise seeing as 2100/kbps is enough to stream at 480p.... which is dvd quality
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OP's original question was about "I will be converting 720p .mkv movies to .avi format with 1024x600 resolution and 2,000 kbits rate to get the best video quality."
Later after some responses he comments he gets better resolution on his HD2 (that is a 4.3" screen) so he will skip the nook.
You still point out a misunderstanding I had now that I go back which is that he is starting with a 720p source but ending up 1024x600. But really this is just makes my point stronger because then we are looking at an even smaller difference in the resolution.
I had NC with Cyanogen Mod 7. I couldn't get 720p to work on it.
Now that my NC got broken, I'm thinking of buying it again. Is there anything new about 720p?
i'd like to know too. as from the day after tomorrow i will be a Nook owner too
In this price range you're still not going to find a decent tablet with 720p capabilities. If your only goal is videos, start taking a look at the chinese tablets and the archos. If you want a tablet with the ability to do it, but not perfectly, then the nook is your best choice.
I say not perfectly, as I found that 720p video was better on the .29kernel (1300mhz) with Moboplayer. 720p works okay with overclock and Moboplayer on the .32 kernel though...
That said, 720p is overkill for that small of a screen.
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I would see the tablet being worth it if it was 1080p but I'm not sure aboutv720
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Um what? ----
Basically no, there isn't any news on the video playback front. The new B&N update's codec had the same file limitations that we had previously, so we lack the codecs for 720p (like an Archos has).
If you want 720p playback get a used Galaxy Tab.
It really isn't a problem for me to watch 720p on NC's screen, but if it was able to do it, it would save the hassle of converting the videos and movies I download for my PC.
I will try moboplayer with OC.
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It really isn't a problem for me to watch 720p on NC's screen, but if it was able to do it, it would save the hassle of converting the videos and movies I download for my PC.
I will try moboplayer with OC.
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At least 1350 isn't enough to run 720p videos. I tried to set up tversity but couldn't get it to transcode.. Didn't feel like setting up either of the free alternatives either, lots of fuzzing with config files..
Technical question for you re-encoding guys. Does the 854 limit count after or before anamorphic scaling? So is it possible to play back pal 2.3 picture format movies? Native resolution 720x445, stretches to 1024 wide on-screen..
I currently have CM7 installed, and the HDMI mirroring works great. But when I view photos, the resolution is not 1080p, it's the resolution of the screen. Is this possible to view photos at 1080p resolution over HDMI on CM7 or stock ROM?
This is the main problem of this STUPID hdmi out. It's only mirroring. that means the resolution of the screen is the ONLY resolution in OUTPUT.
then the 800x480 resolution is upscaled.
Viewwing photos or video we had the same problem: also video in full hd that this phone can play smoothly, BUT the hdmi out is ONLY 800x480...so...it's useless that this phone can decode full-hd video....
When watching video over HDMI is look better than 800x480?
When I record an HD video on my phone, the play it via HDMI out, it seems to be full HD. I was hoping there was a way to do that for photos... I guess not. Perhaps it can be a feature in CM7 or something.
just last sunday i was watching 1080P on friends TV. no problems!
Or you think you did.
Everything is downscaled to phones screen resolution (480x800) and then on HDMI out stretched to 1080p just so that our TV's don't have problems with it. That's why it is not pure 1080p, and that's why it doesn't really make sense to force HD videos on phones.
Use PC, media players or anything else HD capable instead.
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Or you think you did.
Everything is downscaled to phones screen resolution (480x800) and then on HDMI out stretched to 1080p just so that our TV's don't have problems with it. That's why it is not pure 1080p, and that's why it doesn't really make sense to force HD videos on phones.
Use PC, media players or anything else HD capable instead.
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No. True for photos displayed on the phone, yes, but not for video. When playing video (at least with the stock player) it no longer does mirroring, it outputs a true hd-image.
Dac0908 said:
Or you think you did.
Everything is downscaled to phones screen resolution (480x800) and then on HDMI out stretched to 1080p just so that our TV's don't have problems with it. That's why it is not pure 1080p, and that's why it doesn't really make sense to force HD videos on phones.
Use PC, media players or anything else HD capable instead.
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you know you can see on 55" led tv if you are wathing 1080p or something ells!
TrymHansen said:
No. True for photos displayed on the phone, yes, but not for video. When playing video (at least with the stock player) it no longer does mirroring, it outputs a true hd-image.
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Well that's an improvement then. Good news, for some people.
HDMI was for me one of biggest advantages O2x had few months ago, and now I find it almost useless. Yes, it's there and it totally works, I bought the cable and HDMI coupler so I can extend it with another one - but never really use it. Photos were always too blurry to care (when displayed on TV, camera is decent), videos are not so practical even though they work better than I expected, some using stock player and some using MX Video Player.
I have PC connected to TV, Picasa, media server, and PS3 which work far better. Oh well. Still, phone makes a damned good remote controller
It's not an improvement. It's been that way since the phone was released.
Still its a pain in the ass that it won't work with photos.
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Or you think you did.
Everything is downscaled to phones screen resolution (480x800) and then on HDMI out stretched to 1080p just so that our TV's don't have problems with it. That's why it is not pure 1080p, and that's why it doesn't really make sense to force HD videos on phones.
Use PC, media players or anything else HD capable instead.
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your information is wrong, it outputs in full hd.
If it were outputting at just 800by400 on your hd tv you would bloody notice because it would be pixelated and difficult to make anything out if it had been stretched that far to fit a large tv..... .
OMG seriously, really?
My post was already debunked by TrymHansen. Try to write something useful, ok? Quoting it again is just counterproductive
Anyway, part about HD video is debunked, I was wrong and life goes on. But I still stand behind blurry low-res photo gallery and that is the topic here.
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OMG seriously, really?
My post was already debunked by TrymHansen. Try to write something useful, ok? Quoting it again is just counterproductive
Anyway, part about HD video is debunked, I was wrong and life goes on. But I still stand behind blurry low-res photo gallery and that is the topic here.
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I'm totally with you at this. I can not help the fact that most of the people are blind and can not recognise the quality and resolution of a picture or video.
The hdmi output for the photos are totally unusable, it displays the photos in low resolution and low color depth.
Hi guys, can anyone kindly help me test if the droid 3's CPU is capable of streaming yotube videos in 1080p in flash. i am thinking of getting the D4 which shares the same CPU as the D3 except with a higher clock.
i know Samsung's S2's CPU(the exynos, not the tegra 2 version) is capable of handling youtube's 1080p. i would really appreciate your help.
PS: i sympathize with those who purchased the D3.
I'm sure it has the ability to do it, but I've never done it before..
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I'm sure it has the ability to do it, but I've never done it before..
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i need someone to do an actual test to confirm. the tegra 2 for instance, despite having 2 cortex a9 cores like the exynos, can't handle 1080p in flash.
Let me check.. but I don't see why you would play a 1080p youtube movie when the screen is only 960x540. 720p would make much more sense (1280x720)
edit: when I go to the desktop page of youtube it says I need to upgrade flash player but I have 11 installed.
Opening in youtube app only lets me choose between HQ and no HQ
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Let me check.. but I don't see why you would play a 1080p youtube movie when the screen is only 960x540. 720p would make much more sense (1280x720)
edit: when I go to the desktop page of youtube it says I need to upgrade flash player but I have 11 installed.
Opening in youtube app only lets me choose between HQ and no HQ
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perhaps you have not enabled plugin in the setting? maybe you can try another browser? i am aware that 720p is good enough on the phone's screen, but the ability to stream 1080p in flash will proof that the D3's CPU is just as capable as the exynos since the exynos is the only CPU that can handle 1080p in flash afaik. it will also be useful when i output it via HDMI onto my 65" full hd tv since 1080p looks much more clear on a such a big screen. i appreciate your effort anyways.
Its downscaling anything above its 960x540 resolution, but when I tested Flash player it was able to do 720p no problem. When the quality is switched to 1080p the video frame rate drops to nothing but the audio still plays. This is in Dolphin Browser HD with a desktop user agent.
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perhaps you have not enabled plugin in the setting? maybe you can try another browser? i am aware that 720p is good enough on the phone's screen, but the ability to stream 1080p in flash will proof that the D3's CPU is just as capable as the exynos since the exynos is the only CPU that can handle 1080p in flash afaik. it will also be useful when i output it via HDMI onto my 65" full hd tv since 1080p looks much more clear on a such a big screen. i appreciate your effort anyways.
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Well flash works fine in mobile version. The desktop version probably looks for desktop flash. Btw just for the record my D3 plays 720p MKVs fine (2GB - 1hour), which probably has a higher bitrate than those youtube 1080p's
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Well flash works fine in mobile version. The desktop version probably looks for desktop flash. Btw just for the record my D3 plays 720p MKVs fine (2GB - 1hour), which probably has a higher bitrate than those youtube 1080p's
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yeah i know, my xoom's tegra 2 can handle 8gb 1080p MKVs with no problem, but when it comes to flash 1080p it just stutters like mad. i am not sure why your flash doesn't work in desktop version, maybe you need to change your user agent to desktop. i have no problem with flash on desktop youtube on my phone. mind if i ask what browser did you use? i am currently using dolphin browser MINI with desktop user agent with plugin set to always on.
PS: the android flash is the same as desktop flash, they are just coded for different platforms unlike flash player LITE which is found on Nokia phones. i am very certain that youtube's mobile site does not use flash, it uses the phone's built in player instead to stream the content.
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Its downscaling anything above its 960x540 resolution, but when I tested Flash player it was able to do 720p no problem. When the quality is switched to 1080p the video frame rate drops to nothing but the audio still plays. This is in Dolphin Browser HD with a desktop user agent.
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thanks so much, apparently samsung's exynos chip is still the king of all mobile CPUs for now.
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thanks so much, apparently samsung's exynos chip is still the king of all mobile CPUs for now.
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It's not about power but also about optimization.
I use Miren Browser, just set it to desktop user agent and still says I dont have flash. Now when I click on flash it points me to download desktop .dmg version. I doubt this will work?
Also tried default browser but no go
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It's not about power but also about optimization.
I use Miren Browser, just set it to desktop user agent and still says I dont have flash. Now when I click on flash it points me to download desktop .dmg version. I doubt this will work?
Also tried default browser but no go
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In this case it is about pure raw processing power the tegra 2 is a more optimized than the exynos at the moment due to its mature drivers, API and all that but it still loses to the exynos despite having the same structure as the exynos.
If you look at synthetic benchmarks, you will notice that the exymos is slower than both the omap4430 and the tegra 2, yet in real life, it is the fastest. I have tegra 2 overclocked to 1.6ghz and it still cannot handle 1080p flash. Even though flash claims to be GPU accelerated, it is extremely taxing on the CPU.
Samsung always seems to produce superior chips than its competitors, just take the Hummingbird CPU in the original galaxy s, it is still the fastest single core mobile CPU on the market.
As for your flash problem, have you tried reinstalling flash from the market? You might have to wipe your dalvik cache.
I just tested on my d3 to see.....it worked! I mean at times it wasn't butter smooth and hesitated occasionally but played just fine overall. 720p looks the same on the screen but is butter smooth constantly so yes....the d3..mine at least...can do 1080p youtube. Running cm7...init.d hack. Didn't even use my overclock haha
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tacosrdelicioso said:
I just tested on my d3 to see.....it worked! I mean at times it wasn't butter smooth and hesitated occasionally but played just fine overall. 720p looks the same on the screen but is butter smooth constantly so yes....the d3..mine at least...can do 1080p youtube. Running cm7...init.d hack. Didn't even use my overclock haha
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wow really? can the average fps hit 20(visually) when streaming 1080p? mind if i ask which 1080p video did you stream? personally i find VEVO's 1080p videos to be better quality. i appreciate your feedback
Forget about it
It's not about power but also about optimization.
I use Miren Browser, just set it to desktop user agent and still says I dont have flash. Now when I click on flash it points me to download desktop .dmg version. I doubt this will work?
Also tried default browser but no go