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Nice I have finally decided to get the iPhone off my head.. as it may be very "pretty" its nothing you can play around with. and by playing around i mean CUSTOMIZE,GET ALOT OF GAMES,ALOT OF HANDY APPS,FLASH AND OTHER PLATFORMS,(its cheaper) AND WM6 FTW!!
although im undecicive in which phone to get.. i had the wizzard 2 years ago i loved it.. now i think i might be getting the Motorola Q9c or HTC touch (which one should i go for??) and i'm a noob on WM6 devices any recommendations? PM or Post here!!
THANKS!!

do you want touchscreen or ease of use (or at least in my opinion)
The touchscreen reduces the amount of button pushing, but all your time gets sucked away by all the UI tweaking.
Smartphones are easier to manage, but aren't as cool technologically.
But this is an HTC forum and moto's on the fall anyway, so i say HTC touch if you can live without the hardware keyboard

THANKS!
Thank you! I like touchscreens so i might go with the touch

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Thank you! I like touchscreens so i might go with the touch
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Motorola makes good handsets for the symbian platform. Can't say much bout the WM platform. Only thing I like of them is the Flashlight application they developed
If you are going for HTC touch buy the HTC Touch 3452. (Elfin)

Well as a Touch owner, I will say go with the Touch (Vogue)!! Lots of memory, stock it can handle an 8GB SD, good ROMs available, and I really like the design. The screen has a smooth surface, so no edges around the screen (makes it eaiser to access all of screen), and very light. Only downside was, no Wi-Fi, but if you get an unlimited data plan, then who cares!

hmm
What do you guys think of the motoQ9c?
its rly cheap and all i hear are good reviews... arent all WM6 devices capable of doing the same thing? (not regarding touch)

[Q] Knowing what you know, would you still buy it?

So you guys have had the HD7 for a while now. I know it has bugs at the moment. Its to be expected as the OS is still new.
But would you buy it if you knew what you knew now?

Yes, most certainly. Loving WP7 completely. In terms of hardware, the size of the screen is the deal maker for me. But a surprisingly nice addition is the kick stand, which is both effective, useful and invokes an 'oooh that's cool' from people I show the phone to.

I did buy it, then I returned it.
And got an Omnia 7.

May I ask why?

Absolutley I would, yes, there are are few niggles but this is version 1 of the software and a brand new device FFS. Apple are STILL having problems withe the iphone 4 even now (alarms cannot deal with move to GMT from BST for example). With WP7 you are buying into one of the most promising new mobile phone OS's of recent times IMHO, with the HD7 in particular, you are getting a cool big screen device from a company that has built up a good name for itself in the industry. I currently own the HTC Desire and the HTC HD7. I will be keeping the Desire only until the Kindle app and HTML5/ Flash land for WP7, then that will go on Ebay.
My only fear is that because MS decided to launch without one or two features (Flash/ CutnPaste and turn by turn Nav) it will get hammered by the critics in the tech press and be stillborn. This would be a tragedy - the more competition there is in the smartphone space the better for the consumer.
I also hope the handset manufacturers give it the attention it deserves, recent reports on build quality issues with the HTC Trophy do not bode well

That's a conclusive argument
I'm mainly after one as I'm a software developer and I'm interested in the app platform. Looks good. I will go get one today

Ive had mine a day and love it. Was running andoird on my HD2 previously and loved that. But I love the HD7 more. Ye the app market isnt as large as the other major two OS but I can live with that and times will change.
I had an iphone last year and once you get over the intiial hysteria of having millions of useless apps to download and amuse yourself with its not so important.
Ive not had any bugs with the HD7 yet. What issues have people come across.
My only gripe is that Im stuck with crappy Vodafone until 2012

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May I ask why?
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Sure, I loved it in the first 2 days but these 4 main reasons cropped up:
1. The phone would crash/lockup, it did this about 6 times in the week I had it.
2.The hard buttons (on/off, volume, camera) had NO click to them, they were completely soft, so I ended up pressing them all the time by accident, I launched the camera so many times when just holding the phone.
3.The case I was sold with it from the O2 store actually marked the back of it. ( a Leather one with a strap you pull to get it out, don't buy it)
4. I had huge doubts about the overall quality of the device, I really really don't think it would last for 18 months.
I understand 1 (possibly) and 3 were not the fault of the actual device but after issues 2 and 4 cropped up I just decided to return it and got a Omnia 7 instead.
So far for me the Omnia 7 is much better, seems much more higher build quality and its made from metal, the buttons have a nice satisfying click to them, and the screen is just gorgeous, aswell as it being much faster at loading apps and games.
The only reason I took the HD7 over the Omnia 7 in the first place was the double storage but that's not worth the trade off for me.

Oh Yes!!
Having bought an iPhone when they first came out and then giving it to one of our engineers within a week (he thought all his birthdays had come at once!) as deemed useless for true functionality compared with WM6. And then enjoyed my Touch HD I was in eager anticipation of the HD7.
Absolutely love it
Good OS - and looking forward to the updates
Brilliant device - everybody that sees it drools over it and rushes to renew their contract
I have been using email on my mobiles for years and have to say that the HD7 is by far the most brilliant device for actually 'doing business' on the move - big & bright and cool to use
Edit: Forgot to mention - the Office Hub is a 'killer': Was at a presentation yesterday with 2min before I stood up and realised I needed info from a spreadsheet which I thought was on my HD7 (but wasn't) - it took me 30secs to get it! - try doing that with an Android or iPhone...
Regards
CD (UK)

The only issue I have so far is the battery life but I've only done a couple of charges so hopefully that will improve.
It's early days for me but at the moment I am happier than I thought I would be. I'm trying Zune pass at the moment and really liking it. Maybe I didn't need the 16GB after all.
I though about the Omnia 7 but didn't want another 18/24 month contract and the PAYG prices being thrown around were a lot more expensive. Plus, I couldn't actually find anyone selling it on PAYG!

Had it for a bit now, had a few bugs happen, but I would not change it for any other phone out there.
Omnia 7 is a 100% no go for me because of the 8gb memory, I only have about 500meg left on my HD7 and will be ugrading to 32gb asap.
Im still not convinced in AMOLED screens, the colours never look right to me and the edges arnt smooth (looking at my sisters and aunts desires) The look stunning, but they dont look real if that makes sence? I would have loved to have an SLCD in it though. But to be honest the HD7 screen looks fantastic because I have the backlight on 100% all the time.
Battery life isnt that bad, it could be better, but it IS better than my HD2's was.
Biggest niggle is bluetooth audio streaming of music doesnt seem to be as high as quality as my HD2s theres everso slight distortion on high notes. Not that noticable, but enough to niggle me.
Once the updates start to roll out its going to be an incredible device.
Im wondering if an update will be rolled out when the US launch happens? why else would it be delayed? or at least im hoping the promised 60 xbox live that were supposed to be available at launch will be availble at the american launch.
Overall best phone I have ever used, the user experiance is fantastic, its just so nice to use every day, and that completely overruls any niggles I have had, which no doubt will be sorted very soon.

Had mine unlocked for 24h now and just learning the OS but what i'm seeing is fantastic! I've come from a HD2 where as soon as i got it i flashed a custom rom then ran adroid on it for ages but now i could never go back even after 24h!!!
there are a few niggles, coming from android where you had settings for everything there does seem to be a real lack of options just the basics to to get you through, i also cant see how to add a picture to a contact who isnt on my facebook?????
i agree with whats been posted before, this OS has the potential to be the best one out there it just needs to grow.

I've had mine for 2 weeks now and love it! Yes some things are missing and there are a few bugs in the OS, but I'm willing to persiverre because what it does give it does really well.
I had an HD2 with Energy's custome roms for a year now and I am so over HTC Sense (I used earlier versions on my Diamond and Orbit too)and now the "new" HTC apps looks very dated amongst the WP7 Metro apps.
Email, something I could not really get working very well on my HD2, runs like a dream on WP7 and I'm turning into a sick email junkie (help!).
As for the screen, everyone keeps knocking this phone in favour of the Samsung, but in reality, the screen on the HD7 is better than the HD2 and can hold it's own. Might not look as good next to a Samsung, but who cares? Are you going to hold an HD7 and Samsung next to each other 24/7? No? Then you won't notice the difference.

Is the email better on the WP7 than Android. The email on Android drove me up the wall with its bugs and weird behaviour. I have seen a few people on this thread mention positively the email so I am hopeful.

Yes, without a doubt, sure it has a few bugs that Microsoft can fix, but these will not stop me loving this device, never going back to an iPhone again, I'll be sticking to Windows Phone or Android devices from here on in, I had the 3GS then the iPhone 4 and now it's on Ebay as I got bored with it

Super Chimp said:
Is the email better on the WP7 than Android.
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You can pinch and zoom with HTML email which is fantastically useful, and keeps the email as the sender intended. From my understanding (Neowin WP7 vs Android Communication Comparison) Android doesn't do this.

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You can pinch and zoom with HTML email which is fantastically useful, and keeps the email as the sender intended. From my understanding (Neowin WP7 vs Android Communication Comparison) Android doesn't do this.
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The main problems I had with Android was that I often had issues setting up POP email accounts on it. Also could behave oddly when picking up messages, I used to get phantom messages or it would not pick them up correctly or in some cases at all.

oh yes i would, though tbh i would of sold my fish tank and got it on payg and unlocked it as o2 contract prices are so steep and the coverage i not as good as tmobile (not sure if this is the same everywhere but around where i live its the case). I will be honest if it wasn't for the fact all other devices are only 8gb i would not have gone for the hd7 but rather the omnia but there is no way i can live with 8gb. The only annoying thing is that when i'm playing games i sometimes touch the search button esp if i have the phone plugged in at the time due to the way i then have to hold it, but if you press back it goes right back to where you left off.
in conclusion it was not my phone of choice but my hand was forced by the internal storage but i am glad it was, the omnia is no better and my second choice mozart seems cheap and to smiler to my old desire. I love the size of the phone i was worried when i first saw it but the shape is like nothing i have ever seen and make it slip into the pocket easier then my old desire and yet i get all that screen.

Quick question guys. Does the HD7 not have a flash? I thought it does.

Yes, the HD7 has a dual LED flash (at least mine does!)

Getting one of these for my dad on Father's day

My line of thinking was that my dad keeps squinting at the screen and keypad of his crappy SE K530, with his specs off, to make out whats on the display, so maybe something like this would serve him well with the extra large display and keypad. Also, since its WP7, it'd be less complicated than an Android phone (my first thought was to go with a DHD). And not to mention he can access his gmail and facebook from it as well. Do you guys think the HD7 is a suitable phone for an elderly user? Or have I spent my money on a Microsoft powered paperweight?

it's more than perfect for him.
he can use any social network app just like on android or iOS.
and it's a very simple device.

You can't go wrong. Your dad will shed a tear.

It is really a nice phone. Screen is big and bright. Easy to read stuff on. Has pinch to zoom and good sound quality.
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Sound quality on the hd7 sucks but its a great device simple to use. In the long run hell become more experienced with the mango build coming along so its perfect to start with.
Sent from the land were pigs fly

Since your dad is elderly I will go for the samsung omnia 7
The hardware buttons are lot easier to press than the hd7 , screen quality much better with out door light, I know this because I just switch from hd7 to omnia 7.

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Since your dad is elderly I will go for the samsung omnia 7
The hardware buttons are lot easier to press than the hd7 , screen quality much better with out door light, I know this because I just switch from hd7 to omnia 7.
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It all depends on the carrier he has. If he is on T-mobile, then it's the HD7. AT&T has the HD7S.

My HD7 Thoughts

well about two weeks a go i started looking into the hd7 because of the mango update. And well im really glad i did! I used to have WP7 on my HD2, and well that doesn't even compare to an actual WP7 device.
It is sooooo responsive and silky smooth even with all my music synced up. I came from the Sensation 4g, and i honestly think the HD7 screen handles colors a lottt better. The thing i dont like is that the apps that were free on android arent on WP7 (ex:XDA), but that big of a deal. Also the power button doesnt click, it handles like a touch sensitive button with the TPU case i have on. other than that i dont really miss android or the sensation. Best of all i got it for a steal on ebay of all places, usually craigslist has better prices.
well that all i can think of right now cuz of my add lol. but yep to sum it up WP7= the sizznit.

I too had an HD2 with WP7... If only they could have solved the touchscreen driver issue, I'd still have it I reckon...

[Q] HD7 worth it?

Long story short..
Have a T-mo HD2 with android, overall satisfied other than lack of a keyboard. Last week, leaving work, someone's unattended child bumped my arm and knocked my phone out of my had. Making it fall on to the asphault screen first, cracking the screen. Overall, still functions and thankfully I had a screen protector on it.
Right now I am using my backup TytnII.
I have insurance on the phone, have started the claim but they want 130$ and since the HD2 is no longer in production the phoned they are offering is a T-mo HD7.
SO my question is it worth it? for the phone? Resale, and get something else? What is the phone worth if I choose to sell it? Any/all constructive input appreciated. Thanks.

Fix your HD2 or get them to buy you a refurbished one HD7 is not worth it, made move from HD2 to 7 and regretted it since. HD2 can run WP7 if you want.

ruscik said:
Fix your HD2 or get them to buy you a refurbished one HD7 is not worth it, made move from HD2 to 7 and regretted it since. HD2 can run WP7 if you want.
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You know anyone good at fixing these?

I'm thinking the HD2 with android would compare to the desire...
As for HD2 being better than HD7, no way... I had WP7 on HD2 and most was fine but web browsing was tedious with no proper screen drivers... The HD7 is much better than HD2 the HD2 overheated a lot, the HD7 never overheats... And the HD2 got a distorted part of the screen, I imagine from the overheating...
If you don't like WP7 the get the HD7 and sell it for a desire...

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I'm thinking the HD2 with android would compare to the desire...
As for HD2 being better than HD7, no way... I had WP7 on HD2 and most was fine but web browsing was tedious with no proper screen drivers... The HD7 is much better than HD2 the HD2 overheated a lot, the HD7 never overheats... And the HD2 got a distorted part of the screen, I imagine from the overheating...
If you don't like WP7 the get the HD7 and sell it for a desire...
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The HD2 with WM6.5 Pro was decent. HD2 with android was very decent. Was my first non-physical keyboard phone, mostly because it was cheap. Thought about trying out WP7 on the HD2, but do not have as much time as I used to anymore.
The idea of getting the phone and selling it sounds like a good idea.
I have bids on a few phones on ebay right now, have some time left so not holding my breath.
If I can get something more towards what I really do want then I will figure out what to do with the HD2, whether be selling it, using til it breaks, or attempting to fix it myself.
Have only used one, but as far as devices out now, the G2 seems to be the best suited for what I want. I am not set on Android, but physical keyboard and 4g speeds not sure there is anything better for the time being.

If you want WP7 get the HD7 (bad battery life though ) or even better get the Nokia Lumia
Otherwise Just stick with your HD2 as I have seen it got ported with Android Icecream Sandwich

If you don't dual-boot your HD2 then go with the HD7. Pick up the 1350mah Anker battery and the battery life problem will be solved. WP7 on the HD7 is great. The phone feels quality too.
If you run android on the HD2, I would still get the HD7 and either sell or trade it.

Sorry my HD2 never overheated, did not have dostorted screen as well. It was perfect much better built then HD7. HD2 felt like a solid brick and it proved itself as such. The same usage of HD7 over barely a year (had HD2 for 2 years) makes is squick, screen moves in corners, headphone socket is loose and ready to go, power button is collapsing and using that touch screen in light rain proves almost impossible unlike on HD2. BTW my HD2 was also through that time a GPS on a motorcycle so if it was raining it was operating in extreme moisture. HD7 goes crazy in same conditions and everything clicks on screen, you dim the screen and it comes on, music stops and starts many problems. Today in light rain I could not listen to music as screen was coming on and slightly moist pocket was making everything click.
Also HD2 is identical to HD7 in spec in more then 90%. Same CPU, US HD2 had more memory, same GPU, same screen size and I actually believe same screen.
Seen WP7 running on HD2 and did not see almost any performance differences. The one's that were there were mostly due to very slow SD card used in HD2.
I live in UK and had screen fixed in one of the shops on Tottenham Court Road.

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Sorry my HD2 never overheated, did not have dostorted screen as well. It was perfect much better built then HD7. HD2 felt like a solid brick and it proved itself as such. The same usage of HD7 over barely a year (had HD2 for 2 years) makes is squick, screen moves in corners, headphone socket is loose and ready to go, power button is collapsing and using that touch screen in light rain proves almost impossible unlike on HD2. BTW my HD2 was also through that time a GPS on a motorcycle so if it was raining it was operating in extreme moisture. HD7 goes crazy in same conditions and everything clicks on screen, you dim the screen and it comes on, music stops and starts many problems. Today in light rain I could not listen to music as screen was coming on and slightly moist pocket was making everything click.
Also HD2 is identical to HD7 in spec in more then 90%. Same CPU, US HD2 had more memory, same GPU, same screen size and I actually believe same screen.
Seen WP7 running on HD2 and did not see almost any performance differences. The one's that were there were mostly due to very slow SD card used in HD2.
I live in UK and had screen fixed in one of the shops on Tottenham Court Road.
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The HD2 build is definitely better, but I'd prefer an HD7 since it's actually made to run WP7.
Dual booting is neat, but I'd rather have a device that runs one OS very well than two with serious problems. I love the HD2, but I'd never consider it reliable enough to be a daily driver.

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The HD2 build is definitely better, but I'd prefer an HD7 since it's actually made to run WP7.
Dual booting is neat, but I'd rather have a device that runs one OS very well than two with serious problems. I love the HD2, but I'd never consider it reliable enough to be a daily driver.
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For me HD7 was a mistake, build quality is bad, it adds nothing over HD2 and I for one will be happy to pass it on O am afraid it will be 50GBP at best.
Next for me is Titan or move to Android as all WP7 phones feels cheap.
Seems like part of MS requirement hehe

Sold my hd2:-( got an hd7 liked it hated it sold it. Back cover keept falling off and its a lil big in my pocket (bad if u bmx) but other then that I did kinda like wp7 really snappy and quick
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I've had my HD7 for the same amount of time as I did my HD2 and the HD7 is flawless... The HD2 in the same time showed many more scars and screen problems...
As for back cover, I quite like the flimsy plastic for a couple of reason... Getting it on and off is simple and replacing it is under $10 on ebay...
As for the HD7 adding nothing to the HD2... Well, a pinch to zoom that works properly and the kickstand were the winners for me...
OP should take an HD7 for a spin... Our opinions are opinionated...

papabear said:
Last week, leaving work, someone's unattended child bumped my arm and knocked my phone out of my had.
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Whew, I am just glad it wasn't your own fault for your phone breaking. Stupid unattended children.

For now I'd ask for an Android option. My HD7 is unusable with the disappearing keyboard fault that Microsoft has ignored for MONTHS. Steer clear!!
Sent from my HTC Desire S using XDA App

I just got the HD7 recently from my organization, I am using it over my SGS 2. Probably because it's fresh, but I like the system in general, although I deplore lack of some standard apps I use in Android. I don't feel the need to tweak that, change this, flash here and there. In terms of hardware and built, it does not compary to SGS2, but it's a good phone as far as the system and usability goes.

Galaxy Note
Yorkshiretaff said:
For now I'd ask for an Android option. My HD7 is unusable with the disappearing keyboard fault that Microsoft has ignored for MONTHS. Steer clear!!
Sent from my HTC Desire S using XDA App
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Hi everyone!! why don't you get a samsung galaxy note
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JyfrD4VrHY

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As for the HD7 adding nothing to the HD2... Well, a pinch to zoom that works properly and the kickstand were the winners for me...
OP should take an HD7 for a spin... Our opinions are opinionated...
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Pinch to zoom another useless gimmick that apple will sue HTC or MS for. How is it any better/quicker then double tapping a screen in old Opera for WM6.5?

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Whew, I am just glad it wasn't your own fault for your phone breaking. Stupid unattended children.
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Exactly..
Update, I found a great deal on a T-mo HTC G2/Desire Z with accessories. So, at least for now WP7 is not in my future.