I was hoping to flash Paragon tonight, but it said to flash to stock first and I had a few questions.
Why do some ROMs have you flash to stock while others you can just flash through ROM Manager?
Is the Stock backup I made through ROM Manager sufficient as a subsitute for an Odin flash?
If not, are there any Mac alternatives out there?
I'm trying to get a good understanding of what I'm tooling around with so I don't brick my phone.
Thanks for the answers
I wish I could answer all your questions, I'm guessing it's because the recovery uses a zip file and it does not update everything that odin would. Anyways, if you need any help flashing to stock I know that the FAQ page of the cognition rom found here has directions.
cognition.theidiotshideout.net/mw/index.php?title=ODIN#One-Click_JF6
It is not needed but many think it is best. Depending on the rom you are on you have a cocktail of lag fixes and kernels. Flashing stock gives a clear slate.
You can disable lag fix, delete davlik cache, clear cache. You should be fine but you may run into issues. May.
What are you running?
It's some sort of ancient lore past down from priests of captivate forum antiquity.
As for 'cocktails of lag fixes and kernels,' there is no reason your cwm install can't format those partitions, particularly in light of the fact that it has built-in support for ext4. I don't know why people think the stock flash functions are particularly better at dealing with it.
Do yourself a favor, make sure you have a working download mode combo, purge your mind of the flash to stock FUD and obliviously commence to flashing one froyo ROM right over another. You'll be glad you did.
So if I'm hearing you correctly, it's more of a this will make sure you have no issues and are starting from a clean slate. It's not 100% neccessary to flash to stock before flashing a new rom?
Meanwhile, I was furiously trying to get Odin to work on an old laptop I scrounged up to no avail. Sometimes my need to tinker creates so many problems.
Thanks, guys!
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So if I'm hearing you correctly, it's more of a this will make sure you have no issues and are starting from a clean slate. It's not 100% neccessary to flash to stock before flashing a new rom?
Meanwhile, I was furiously trying to get Odin to work on an old laptop I scrounged up to no avail. Sometimes my need to tinker creates so many problems.
Thanks, guys!
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It is like a default disclaimer to flash stock. If you flash the rom and have an issue, one if the first things they will ask is did you flash stock. As mentioned almost all lag fixes use some form of ext 4 filing and most clockwork recoveries can now handle ext 4.
So in summation you do not need to, if you flash and get stuck in a boot loop you need to. I would make sure you can get odin up and running, and recognizing your phone in either case just so you know you can use it if needed
Absolutely no need at all to flash to stock
Would you install Vista in order to install Win7?
As long as you format everything in CWM before you flash a new ROM, then everything is a clean slate. It'll wipe your stock install, so why install stock first?
This and the 're-calibrating' your battery are the two biggest FUDs about Android.
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Every single one of them are failing @ System.
I have flashed many roms and have yet to see this issue.
I have even tried to install a nandroid and they say system.img not found, skipping restore of System
my quadrant before doing anything was ~950 so im assuming no lagfix was present.
did you flash back to stock with odin1click??
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did you flash back to stock with odin1click??
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no, i typically never do.
i have a stock eclair rooted nandroid but eh.
trying to avoid using odin right this minute...
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no, i typically never do.
i have a stock eclair rooted nandroid but eh.
trying to avoid using odin right this minute...
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Going back to stock is the only safe way to install a rom imo.
Do a proper stock install and watch all the roms work.
im sure it will.
im just trying to learn why. it all started when i went to install SetiroNs 1.4.6 cwm
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Going back to stock is the only safe way to install a rom imo.
Do a proper stock install and watch all the roms work.
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iamamp3pimp said:
im sure it will.
im just trying to learn why. it all started when i went to install SetiroNs 1.4.6 cwm
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Because it is the phone...not the rom or kernel...unless you had a bad flash to begin with.
This is why it is recommended when switching to different roms...and even sometimes flashing updates to certain roms ...that it is the most prudent thing to do, to head off these types of issues that come up sometimes. It is also recommended to do a master clear as well...and I usually go one step further and wipe and format the drives and do a factory reset. Sometimes doing it more than just once too. It may be a royal PITA...but...the alternative is what you are experiencing it seems...
Mac
is there a way to tell which filesystem is being used?
i have CWM 2.5.1.2
my Axura restore did work.......so i at least have a phone for the moment
I have been reading for days and days. i am a noobie and i hope i don't try anybodies patience. I have not been able to find a basic enough answer to my possible delima. I rooted my captivate installed titanium backup and rom manager. I then flashed cwm and was successful. so I down loaded cognition to my computer and put it on my sd card. I turned off my phone took out my sim card and external sd card. i turned the phone back on in recovery mode and I wiped all, then got into cwm and installed cognition. It is great, but i am worried about when it degrades over time and i get the itch again to flash my rom that i made a grave mistake. i am pretty sure that i don't have a stock backup to go to before my next flash and if i download one from the internet then it won't be rooted and i will have to go through the whole process all over. i do have a backup of cog v3.04 on my sd. I wil want to flash another rom pretty soon but don't quite know how to proceed but am tempted to just do the same process i did to put cog on,(put the zip file on my sd and manually boot into recovery get into cwm and install new rom zip. any help would be appreciated. thanks in advance.
It is easy, and you never have to root again.
You have a file on your sd
update.zip
As long as you have this on your sd you can get into clockwork. When on stock just get into recovery and reinstall packages twice
To get back to stock you need to use odin. depending on your build number determines which odin is best. Build number can be located under the battery, something like 1008
Flashing stock is not as needed as some say. I have flashed several roms without going back to stock.
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thanks for fast reply
wow that was fast, i should have posted days ago,all of that reading was running my head around in circles. Just one more question. If i use odin don't i lose root. I also have read many warnings about flashing custom roms without returning to stock, but logically that makes me think i would have to root the stock rom every time before flashing the new rom. Maybe thats a dumb question but i am just trying to be careful and delay my first softbrick experience. thanks again.
Saving the update.zip gives you clockwork recovery without root. You can flash another rom straight from there.
With the new kernels that are out flashing stock is not needed as the built in recovers understand ext 4. I flash stock occasionally for no real reason. If I am making a major change like going from js3 base to armani base I tend to flash stock, if for no other reason piece of mind
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Hey I have a question I am on Darkyy 9.3 and have flashed to stock before numerous times and have a Download Mode Jig always handy but I have been hearing and reading recently that with good ROMs with the new install script that you can just flash ROMs over each other if you wipe data and cache and dalvik cache and if you get in trouble just flash to stock.
The reason this interests me is because im a build 1011 and its super annoying because I have to flash to JH3, then Root, then apply 3 button fix.zip sometimes if the 3 buttons dont work, ROM Manager, Quick Boot, JH7ota.zip, then flash the next ROM.
I am willing to do this but I am feeling lazy today and wanna try out Serendipity so Im asing YOU do you think i'll be alright if I flash Serendipity JS3 over a JS5 Darkyy 9.3?
Also one more questions related to that is Serendipity users does it overwrite your Kernel and modem when flashing? I have Suckerpunch and JL3 and am wondering if I should disable lag fix-->Install latest Speedmod. Or would the ROM script just overwrite that.
Finally a question that was posed to me today from a user that doesnt flash to stock and hasnt had a problem that really made me think that what really is the difference when using Odin which installs an unneccesary bootloader and ect going from a JS5 base to a JH3, then using CWM to go JS5 to JS3? Wouldnt it seem logically easier and safer?
Any input and comments about your experience will be GREATLY appreciated.
you can use odin1click, or odin3...
since you have a jig, flashing to stock is not a big deal to you.
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you can use odin1click, or odin3...
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he cannot use odin 1click since the build is 1011. it will brick the phone, for sure.
I Odin3 back to stock, but I'm also on the safe side. I have heard more and more people flash over the old ROM with using Odin though.... I figure that it only adds a few more minutes to the overall task, so why not?
always flash stock imo
just best to go to stock , flashing over has created small bugs for me ..., i do this even for common builds or updates, even though the Dev's work hard to make them upgradeable...i still do .....and if your courageous,,, its good you have the jig or a 1007 build
My personal choice is flash to stock if the roms use different kernels. If the kernel is the same, even different revs of same, I don't bother with stock.
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he cannot use odin 1click since the build is 1011. it will brick the phone, for sure.
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I use print one click all the time and my phone is build 1012
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I always flash to stock and go through the whole process. I find it less buggy and the mental idea of a clean slate allows me to address issues solely on that rom and not past components.
It's sure as heck faster to flash to stock than to read through 1000's of posts to figure out if it's a good idea or not when I don't know as much about it...
I'm still new to the flashing ROMs world, but I'd rather be safe than sorry at this point so I go back to stock whenever I switch.
Ive now just wiped data cache and dalvik cache, and flashed over 4 ROMs in the past week with ZERO problems.
That being said im always safe I do it at home with my jig and odin ready on my PC.
But i actually havent had a single problem.
Darkyy-->Andromeda-->Paragon-->Serendipity
Hey all. Just joined the forums a few minutes ago and I have a burning question on why it is necessary to flash back to stock with odin before you try different roms. Why can you not just boot into clockwork, factory wipe, wipe cache, wipe d cache and then simply load the new rom from sd? The reason I ask is because I have been bouncing between cognition and paragon for about 2 weeks now NOT using the method of flashing back to stock 2.1 without a single problem. I'm sure there is a good reason flashing back to 2.1 before trying new roms, I would just like to know why. I was able to preform a stock wipe using odin3 one time last week (just did it to make sure the phone would do it) it just seems like a really long process, but I'll start doing it that way to avoid a brick.
Thanks
to be safe, and some roms mod files that others dont, some roms depend on apps and files in the stock rom that might be different or not there at all in other roms.
long process? extra 5 minutes when you get used to it. if you are ATT use ODIN ONE CLICK to restore stock 2.1 (hint: it takes one click)
For the most part, you don't really need to flash back to stock. It used to be a bigger deal to flash back to stock because some of the Roms would intervene with each other and mess things up. It is still recommened for a clean flash, but I rarely do it and my flashes work great.
EDIT: @Trusselo: damn it! Second time someone beat me to the answer tonight!
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and forget ODIN ONE CLICK !!
i keep forgetting about this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=944418
ALL IN ONE CAPTIVATE TOOLBOX
I have been trying roms weekly since November and have only needed to flash to stock twice, after failed flashes caused by my lack of patience. YMMV of course
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Hey all. Just joined the forums a few minutes ago and I have a burning question on why it is necessary to flash back to stock with odin before you try different roms. Why can you not just boot into clockwork, factory wipe, wipe cache, wipe d cache and then simply load the new rom from sd?
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It's not necessary and not even a good idea. Also, why wipe cache and d-cache when the install script does that?
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to be safe, and some roms mod files that others dont, some roms depend on apps and files in the stock rom that might be different or not there at all in other roms.
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ROMs don't mod or use any files which are on the phone prior to installing them. All the files on your phone after the install were in the CWM flashable zip file. Any ROM cook would be stupid to do otherwise. The exception would be no-wipe ROMs, but you would never flash to stock before using one of those.
Ive also wondered this as well and talking to guys like opcow, and a couple other Devs such as MikeyMike and a lot of guys at the Andromeda IRC they all agree that you should be perfectly fine now as long as you wipe everything before you flash.
I may try with Andromeda when I get home because I have my PC and Jig there just in case but still may try now. But also tlaking to a lot of users that they dont even do it anymore now because of the install scripts and as Opcow said if you think logically its technically safer.
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long process? extra 5 minutes when you get used to it. if you are ATT use ODIN ONE CLICK to restore stock 2.1 (hint: it takes one click)
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Actually thats not true at all.
If your a build 1009 and under you can use the one click. Although the build 1008 sometimes have problems.
But for the Build 1010's and up (like me) you have to use Odin3 and take a good 30-40 minutes just to get to JH7 because half of the time I lose my 3 buttons then have to push the 3 button fix over via ADB. I have gotten use it and its a pain in the ass.
And the time I listened to someone that says ALL ATT people can use the one click it completely ****ed my phone and if I didnt have a jig my phone would have been completely screwed up.
Im not trying to be rude im just saying I saw a post very similar to that a couple weeks ago and it came very close to completely bricking my phone and reading posts here now saying they have the same problem and if they dont have a jig they just got a 200 dollar paper weight.
Sorry for getting off topic back to topic today Im going to flash Andromeda over Darkyy 9.3 and wipe data cache and d cache in CWM and see how it goes although everyone and even the devs and a lot of users now a days say it should work perfectly.
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Actually thats not true at all.
If your a build 1009 and under you can use the one click. Although the build 1008 sometimes have problems.
But for the Build 1010's and up (like me) you have to use Odin3 and take a good 30-40 minutes just to get to JH7 because half of the time I lose my 3 buttons then have to push the 3 button fix over via ADB. I have gotten use it and its a pain in the ass.
And the time I listened to someone that says ALL ATT people can use the one click it completely ****ed my phone and if I didnt have a jig my phone would have been completely screwed up.
Im not trying to be rude im just saying I saw a post very similar to that a couple weeks ago and it came very close to completely bricking my phone and reading posts here now saying they have the same problem and if they dont have a jig they just got a 200 dollar paper weight.
Sorry for getting off topic back to topic today Im going to flash Andromeda over Darkyy 9.3 and wipe data cache and d cache in CWM and see how it goes although everyone and even the devs and a lot of users now a days say it should work perfectly.
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+1 Guys if you don't know exactly what to do/suggest please don't say it. I'm not trying to start a war, but a wrong suggestion can easily soft or hard brick someones phone. This is a forum, so no one can stop you from saying things, but think about if it happened to you? You would be pissed!
Anyways back on topic, what model phone do you have, because having a 1009 model phone makes flashing and going back to stock (usually) so much easier. But then again, I rarely use odin because all the roms are compatible for the most part.
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I've never used ODIN because I haven't wanted to try to run it from GNU/Linux in a virtual box.
I just wipe and flash from clockwork like the op. Been flashing roms for a couple months now, never had a single problem. (except when I noobed it up by trying to flash back to a nandroid backup via Rom Manager. Even then, didn't need Odin to sort it out).
If I ever run into a problem, then I'll try Odin, but I'm waiting to cross that bridge till I come to it.
To prevent exceptions or troubles from the version you already have... so everybody comes from the same rom, understand?
I flash to jf6 because that's what I have been conditioned to do for a while. However, the few times I was impatient and didn't....no problems either.
From all the reading I've done here, the only reason to do it is for the placebo effect.
There was once a time when all the new roms were built on the unofficial froyo and it only had 3e recovery. The quickest way to get around that was to flash stock. Also the lag fixes were tricky and easily fixed by flashing stock. Now recovery is in the kernel. As long as you insure the kernal lag fix in rom A understands the kernal lag fix in rom B flash away. Nandroid backups are kind of useless they don't backup the kernal or the modem. Save odin for when things go really wrong(;~ )
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I have done it both ways, and there its no difference going back to stock and or flashing over other roms. I flash often, have not got stick in boot loop in months
I like to go back to stock since I KNOW that everything has been defaulted back to normal. Just a security blanket step for me.
I flashed andromeda over darkyy 9.3 just wiping data cache and d cache. Nothing wrong. Everything worked perfect so I got to believe that if you just wipe everything it should work perfectly.
Just for safety I got a jig and odin but for now I'm saving a good 45 minutes to not flash back to stock
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I've read up several threads on this an I think what I want to do is a bit unique but I am not completely sure. I rooted my phone with Odin a week ago going from official gingerbread and used the stock Kernel. Root went off without a hitch but wasn't able to get into CWM recovery so I did some searching and just now flashed to the Corn Kernel 7.05. Works Perfect !
I want to now use mobile Odin to try out a few new roms as I can upgrade my phone now but want to give this a shot to breath some new life into my nearly 2 year old cappy. Flashing the kernel with mobile odin was s snap but I guess after reading the how and developers page I am lost on what types of ROM's I use with it. I'm new to all of this so judging stages of stability if not something I am sure about. I want some I wont have to compromise much with but will broaden my horizons some. I am so new cyanogen and maybe doc's ICS mod are the only ones I really know about but I don't know if those work with Odin or if I need to use CMW.
So final questions are these:
- Mod that will be stable and I can flash using only mobile odin or CMW (not using a PC) ?
- Does creating a backup of the ROM in CMW allow me to fix a bad ROM flash ?
- Is there an ICS build for cappy that will work for my situation ?
Thanks again ! ( I promise I used the search function and even the mobile odin thread but couldn't find what I was looking for)
1. Mod that will be stable and I can flash using only mobile odin or CMW (not using a PC) ?
2. Does creating a backup of the ROM in CMW allow me to fix a bad ROM flash ?
3. Is there an ICS build for cappy that will work for my situation ?
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1. You can basically flash almost anything that isn't stock through CWM; you don't really need mobile odin too much. There are a lot of things considered "stable" that may not be stable for you. I considered alpha CM9 "stable," but others may disagree. It is up to you to find a ROM that suits you the best.
Keep in mind, you can only use Mobile Odin on Samsung-based BML ROMs.
2. To fix a "bad" ROM flash, you'd probably just flash the ROM again. But you can use the backup to restore your phone to its exact state at time of backup (with few exceptions).
3. What exactly is your situation? No matter what, I recommend CM9 nightlies but there certainly are other things out there to try that could work for you. Everything is CWM flashable, no Odin.
Just wondering, why can't you use a computer at all? You may need one in case you screw something up down the road.
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1. You can basically flash almost anything that isn't stock through CWM; you don't really need mobile odin too much. There are a lot of things considered "stable" that may not be stable for you. I considered alpha CM9 "stable," but others may disagree. It is up to you to find a ROM that suits you the best.
Keep in mind, you can only use Mobile Odin on Samsung-based BML ROMs.
2. To fix a "bad" ROM flash, you'd probably just flash the ROM again. But you can use the backup to restore your phone to its exact state at time of backup (with few exceptions).
3. What exactly is your situation? No matter what, I recommend CM9 nightlies but there certainly are other things out there to try that could work for you. Everything is CWM flashable, no Odin.
Just wondering, why can't you use a computer at all? You may need one in case you screw something up down the road.
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1. Thank for clearing that up. I was using mobile odin at first because I wasn't able to boot into recovery with CWM but with the corn kernel that fixed everything and I've been getting myself more accustomed to working in there. Mobile odin seemed good for me to flash the new kernel easily and care free.
2. I was worried about a bad flash because I've read that using nandroid backups can be iffy (That's what CWM uses from what I have seen). Should I trust these backups ? I backed up everything in TiBu. I looked at the Wiki for cyanogen mod and it seems odd that the steps to flash the ROM's in CWM are very few so having few steps makes me think they have left something out or there is a step that is somehow understood I am missing)
3. I live in the boonies and my internet is even slower even though it's *cringe* 1.5 DSL haha. As far as my situation I mean something that would allow me to mess around with my phone some while knowing its stable because with 3 kids and having to have my phone I didn't want to be out of pocket for an extended period of time. I've been reading that ICS requires you to go back to stock to flash another ICS ROM but in my mind that doesn't seem too inconvenient.
I come from the desktop world and work well with hardware, not so much with software knowledge so trying to teach myself some new stuff since mobile seems to be here to stay. Making just a rudimentary app is a goal of mine even if no one cares so starting at the beginning trying to learn. Don't want to be one of those guys the noob video is made for who just begs for the way to root a phone and never contributes haha.
Thanks for your help !