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HD7 and WP7 future Customization level/Roms?

I am confused on all of this and I have read all the threads on the HD7 here. In regards to both the HD7 and WP7 will there ever be the ability to have custom roms and be rooted? I'm still not sure what the chevron tool really even did besides make your phone have a free dev account and 3 party apps. I'm coming from the HD2 in which I changed roms on a daily basis and had multiple versions of android running. I'm just wondering if we will ever get to that level of modification with windows 7. Now mind you I have no interest running android on my HD7, thats not what this thread is about. If I did I would have bought the MT4G which my GF got when we did the buy one get one deal 2 weeks ago. I just wanna know if there is going to be real Dev support like there is with the HD2. Is the interest level there? I love WP7 however its just a little to bland, but with a few visual mods it would be the most amazing UI ever and Im not talking about missing features. I'm talking about eye candy. Am I off base? I am I missing the point of WP7? I dont know I just want some feedback on all of this.

Thanks for the replies!!

stillbrad said:
Thanks for the replies!!
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Here is one reply :
It will take a real long time ( maybe years ) because it is a brand new os and closed ,so everything has to be reverse engineered and that will take long when there are even dev's that are willing to put in the time .

ceesheim said:
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It will take a real long time ( maybe years ) because it is a brand new os and closed ,so everything has to be reverse engineered and that will take long when there are even dev's that are willing to put in the time .
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Hi, I thought it was Microsoft's intention to set a standard - what they did regarding restrictions of the hardware (Screen resolution, keys,...). This should give some similar standard as Apple did with the iPhone, but I had to learn, that the OS itself is customized by every provider (omitting languages, ...).
I really hoped windows phone might be similar to Win7 for PC - getting updates, optional updates, add-ons directly from microsoft and applications programmed by third parties (Marketplace). But how shall updates of the OS by Microsoft work, if not installable on the phones as those updates needs to be customized by the provider?
Nice approach to get a stable and equal OS (don't bother being controlled by Microsoft - that case you should get another phone - my two cents), but that case the OS on the phone must be by Microsoft themselves, not T-Mobile, O2, vodafone, ....
Carlhermann

C.Schlehaus said:
Hi, I thought it was Microsoft's intention to set a standard - what they did regarding restrictions of the hardware (Screen resolution, keys,...). This should give some similar standard as Apple did with the iPhone, but I had to learn, that the OS itself is customized by every provider (omitting languages, ...).
I really hoped windows phone might be similar to Win7 for PC - getting updates, optional updates, add-ons directly from microsoft and applications programmed by third parties (Marketplace). But how shall updates of the OS by Microsoft work, if not installable on the phones as those updates needs to be customized by the provider?
Nice approach to get a stable and equal OS (don't bother being controlled by Microsoft - that case you should get another phone - my two cents), but that case the OS on the phone must be by Microsoft themselves, not T-Mobile, O2, vodafone, ....
Carlhermann
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Well exactly...I mean the iphone was jailbroken very shorly after being released. I was an ex iphone user as well and ran jailbroken very early on. I'm just wondering if the Interest Level is there? I mean the iphone was worked on by some greats like geohot and others. I guess im saying with WP7 getting written off early on by a lot of people (i believe in the os) will devs even give it a shot?

stillbrad said:
Well exactly...I mean the iphone was jailbroken very shorly after being released. I was an ex iphone user as well and ran jailbroken very early on. I'm just wondering if the Interest Level is there? I mean the iphone was worked on by some greats like geohot and others. I guess im saying with WP7 getting written off early on by a lot of people (i believe in the os) will devs even give it a shot?
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wp7 will be jailbroken real fast i think ( it is already jailbroken but no one really know how to make native code work on wp7)
custom rom's is something totally different ( I belief that there aren't any custom rom's on ios)
there is a history on custom rom's for WM for years (wm4-wm6.5) but WP7 is totally different and everyone has to start all over (reverse engineering) and that will take long .

C.Schlehaus said:
Hi, I thought it was Microsoft's intention to set a standard - what they did regarding restrictions of the hardware (Screen resolution, keys,...). This should give some similar standard as Apple did with the iPhone, but I had to learn, that the OS itself is customized by every provider (omitting languages, ...).
I really hoped windows phone might be similar to Win7 for PC - getting updates, optional updates, add-ons directly from microsoft and applications programmed by third parties (Marketplace). But how shall updates of the OS by Microsoft work, if not installable on the phones as those updates needs to be customized by the provider?
Nice approach to get a stable and equal OS (don't bother being controlled by Microsoft - that case you should get another phone - my two cents), but that case the OS on the phone must be by Microsoft themselves, not T-Mobile, O2, vodafone, ....
Carlhermann
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I don't think you understand. The carriers are not allowed to touch the core OS, they are allowed to add their apps and edit a couple of things (like t-mobile making google the search in IE), but overall, OEMs and carriers can't do much with the OS itself, everything they do has to be done through apps.
stillbrad said:
Well exactly...I mean the iphone was jailbroken very shorly after being released. I was an ex iphone user as well and ran jailbroken very early on. I'm just wondering if the Interest Level is there? I mean the iphone was worked on by some greats like geohot and others. I guess im saying with WP7 getting written off early on by a lot of people (i believe in the os) will devs even give it a shot?
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I know the iphone is jailbroken, but are there really, full bore custom ROMs for it?
I worry that with jailbreaking, you get a host of other problems, like bugs and a laggy OS.
For me, I am happy with it as is for now and am curious to see where it goes.

Well, the team behind the WP7 unlocking/sideloading hack ChevronWP7 are currently talking to Microsoft about the openness of WP7. Right now, no one know's what's going to happen, besides that WP7 will eventually be completely unlocked and customizable with roms at some point in time. My hope is that the Chevron team can talk Microsoft into officially supporting homebrew. I understand that thats a far fetched dream, but it makes sense because tweaking and modding are the only reasons most people used winmo after 2007 or 2008; and Android has exploded since they began rooting devices.
why shouldn't Microsoft use us as alpha/beta testers? that and anything awesome we develop they can basically steal from us. Seems like a win-win for Microsoft

sprinttouch666 said:
Well, the team behind the WP7 unlocking/sideloading hack ChevronWP7 are currently talking to Microsoft about the openness of WP7. Right now, no one know's what's going to happen, besides that WP7 will eventually be completely unlocked and customizable with roms at some point in time. My hope is that the Chevron team can talk Microsoft into officially supporting homebrew. I understand that thats a far fetched dream, but it makes sense because tweaking and modding are the only reasons most people used winmo after 2007 or 2008; and Android has exploded since they began rooting devices.
why shouldn't Microsoft use us as alpha/beta testers? that and anything awesome we develop they can basically steal from us. Seems like a win-win for Microsoft
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why is everyone so sure you will ever get a custom ROM on wp7?

nrfitchett4 said:
why is everyone so sure you will ever get a custom ROM on wp7?
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That's what I wanna know. My hope is the interest level that there is in WM will soon be there for WP7. I'm sure there is much room for improvement that only a custom rom and a chef from xda can produce.

WP7 on the N1???

Did someone try porting the WP7 to the N1??

Not possible.

More importantly... WHY?
That'd be like taking the motor out of a Honda Civic and sticking it in a Lamborghini Gallardo. Fail.

Clarkster said:
Not possible.
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But why? The HD2 seems to be working?

djstoffe said:
But why? The HD2 seems to be working?
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he has a point

I think it could be a great idea, because, for example, I really want our Nexus One to be like the HTC HD2! Been able to "work" also with other OSes..
Plus, Windows Phone 7 seems to be very snappy and minimal!
Android is obviously better, but I really want to try the Seven

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There was another thread asking the same question and someone said only its possible to port WP7 to a android phone if there already exists a WP7 which is basically the same device with WP7 on it.
I think the HD7 is pretty much the same device as the HD2?

Hd2 is the greatest HTC device in the market thanx to all the devs to bring out the real potential of the LEO.wish all htc devices was able to do that.i would rather try wp7 on my hd2 rather than my n1.hd2 is fully functional android just like every other native androids and its running better than my n1.
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First of all I'm glad to know that my curiosirty has interest with other people as well.
second, the reason for the WHY is of course curiosity, and the fact that the N1 is a capable device and it'll be interesting to see how it would function with other OS.
Hd2 is the greatest HTC device in the market thanx to all the devs to bring out the real potential of the LEO.wish all htc devices was able to do that.i would rather try wp7 on my hd2 rather than my n1.hd2 is fully functional android just like every other native androids and its running better than my n1.
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I with I had the money to carry as much devices as I wanted to.
That's the reason I wanted the N1, and Android for that matter, to be flexible...

athornz said:
There was another thread asking the same question and someone said only its possible to port WP7 to a android phone if there already exists a WP7 which is basically the same device with WP7 on it.
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That's handy then, as teardowns show the HTC Surround is basically a Nexus One.

HD2 runs Android awfully, compared to N1. I couldn't stand looking at it stuttering all over the place where N1 flies.
The other problem for this port is bootloader and FS compatibility. While it could probably be overcome, it might not be straightforward, just as it's quite hard to install Windows and Linux on the same partition, both using different native FS. On WM phones there is many-years-old way of loading other systems "under" Windows (I'm not really into details, but AFAIK the other system doesn't load from bootloader, but from early stages of WM kernel - which is the reason why WM-loaded OSes run like crap). On Android phones, it doesn't work that way, and there is no universally used way of loading other OSes.
And the biggest problem for all the curious would probably be just that no dev has taken interest in doing it.

if HTC 7 Surround is simular to N1, is it possible to port the whole bootloader and system of surround to N1. and and run Android "on the top" of WP7 just like what HD2 does

this could be a very very interesting project... as there are quite a few developers currently working on a WP7 like launcher for android. and if we could run wp7 it would be a pretty amazing.

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Hd2 is the greatest HTC device in the market
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that is actually provably false due to the fact the HD2 is TMobile-only. the devs have squeezed every ounce out of it no doubt, but for a phone to be the greatest HTC device it would have to be available across all GSM networks, not just the B-list one

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that is actually provably false due to the fact the HD2 is TMobile-only. the devs have squeezed every ounce out of it no doubt, but for a phone to be the greatest HTC device it would have to be available across all GSM networks, not just the B-list one
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The HD2 is not Tmobile only... Tmobile was the last carrier to get it lol. The HD2 is available on all GSM networks even ATT if you import an aussie or canadian version.

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The HD2 is not Tmobile only... Tmobile was the last carrier to get it lol. The HD2 is available on all GSM networks even ATT if you import an aussie or canadian version.
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for AT&T 3G?
Edit: Ok, I guess the Telstra HD2 had AT&T 3G bands, so you could import the phone at a premium. i can't find it on Ebay, but the Cell2Get.com has it for a reasonable $831.99. it better be the greatest ever

I would love trying wp7 on my nexus. The OS interests me, not enough though to shell out for an entire new phone. Especially since all the wp7 phones really aren't special hardware wise.
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So....
What does it take to port an OS??
do we need a new bootloader? do we need the WP7 source code?

You will never get WP7 source code.
I guess you'd need a complete dump from the Surround to work from.

[q] wp8 & hd2

will the HD2 still run WP8 or is our hardware that old? what would be the minimum phone that can run WP8? :silly:
WP7 is rally fast in the HD2 & it runs really well, i hope the same can be said for wp8.

If you currenty own a Windows phone, it can NOT run windows phone 8, thats it.
You must buy a new phone with windows phone 8 on it.

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If you currenty own a Windows phone, it can NOT run windows phone 8, thats it.
You must buy a new phone with windows phone 8 on it.
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why did u say that? hd2 is a legend. born as wp6.5 device, got android port and now upto 4.0.4, lol it is one of the device that actually run 4.0.4 before any other official updates. and it have fully working wp7.5 tango running on it. and is 8779.8 version update( lol i m not sure if any official updates have gone so far). and i am not planning to mention other os's that runs on hd2.
the only thing that hd2 lacks is current dual/quad cores and gpu's. any how it have a descent cpu of 1ghz single core ( functions flawless upto 1.5 ghz oc) and enough gpu to run wp7.5 pretty fast( even hd7 wont run that much fast).
and i am dam sure hd2 will be running wp8 pretty soon.. ( may be before any official wp8 device!!!!!!!)

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I seriously doubt it. The devs have moved on to new devices.
Maybe they'll try to port it but it would be a ton of hard work because they switched from Windows CE to Windows 8 kernel. Also, WP7 only got ported because some drivers from Microsoft got "leaked" since Microsoft were using the HD2 to develop WP7 anyway.
But hey, never say never!

hd2 wp8
I personally think there will be Windows phone 8 interface to HD2

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Watch the attitude...

We won't see WP8 for the venerable HD2 because of the simple fact that WP8 has a new kernel. So you would have to rewrite every driver of each hardware component like CPU, Radio, GPU, Wifi, Bluetooth etc. And I really doubt someone will accomplish that.

Guys Just relax,There's DFT
I belive there will be a new MAGLDR version when wp8 is on the way of HD2.
Lets see. How it goes

mengfei said:
will the HD2 still run WP8 or is our hardware that old? what would be the minimum phone that can run WP8? :silly:
WP7 is rally fast in the HD2 & it runs really well, i hope the same can be said for wp8.
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Yes the HD2 has been seen running test versions of WP8.
The important question is whether it will be possible to flash it in such a way to make it run on the HD2 once WP8 is out.
MS is very keen on the secure boot feature of the new snapdragon chips which is partly why we won't see WP8 for our current devices.
I hope someone with more knowledge can elaborate on this´.
The chip is called TPM which will be responsible for the secure boot procedure.
http://wmpoweruser.com/trusted-platform-modulethe-secret-of-microsofts-attack-on-rim/

Despite all aspects, if look on new HTC devices specification, clearly HD2 if good enough to run WP8. Spec is same like low new model.
It is just up to guys from Dark Force and others.

Hey guys, as my colleague has already stated above, please watch the attitude and show each other some respsect.
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Hey guys, do you think it is worth to buy a HD2 now? I really miss the WM, but I like the WP too, mostly because I already got used with it.
Can the HD2 dual-boot WM and WP? Would not be kinda late to buy one?
Since my 200Mhz Gene is almost useless, and my Lumia won't be upgraded to WP8 anyway, I thought it is a good ideia. What you think?
Thanks.

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mateus_rachid said:
Hey guys, do you think it is worth to buy a HD2 now? I really miss the WM, but I like the WP too, mostly because I already got used with it.
Can the HD2 dual-boot WM and WP? Would not be kinda late to buy one?
Since my 200Mhz Gene is almost useless, and my Lumia won't be upgraded to WP8 anyway, I thought it is a good ideia. What you think?
Thanks.
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Absolutely. It's one of the best Windows mobile 6 devices, and it also runs Android (as a joke, you can even run WM7 on it, but the worst part of censorship is *******************).
- 2 Bunny

kainppc6700 said:
Absolutely. It's one of the best Windows mobile 6 devices, and it also runs Android (as a joke, you can even run WM7 on it, but the worst part of censorship is *******************).
- 2 Bunny
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And it actually shipped with WM5.x... At least my Telstra HD2 I bought for AT&T did. It's probably the most versatile phone ever made.
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Jc61990 said:
If you currenty own a Windows phone, it can NOT run windows phone 8, thats it.
You must buy a new phone with windows phone 8 on it.
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The OP asks if the HD2 can possibly run WP8. In case you weren't paying attention before launching your tirade, the HD2 is a Windows MOBILE device. As in, started life as a WM6.1 phone and is the only device that has been modified to run Android AND WP7 successfully. It is not a stretch to think that some clever devs will try to do it, purely for ****s and giggles. Forget about different kernels and any other obstacles, that is irrelevant. Being able to proclaim "I did it!" is satisfaction enough.
Good thing hackers don't all think like you, there would never have been an xda.

i remember that when WP7 launched,,some ppl said "WP7 wont work on HD2 cuz hardware stuck, new file structure bla bla bla,,, " ,, now when i see ppl talking about WP8 wont work on HD2 cuz new kernel and bla bla,, its being funny... This is XDA,, dont be precise when you talking about "hacking"... i am sure if XDA devs want to make it works on HD2 they will do it,, remember Android and WP7 on HD2 process.. yes devs move to new devices,, yes HD2 is pretty old,, but HD2 is a legend,, i can tell that some devs gonna try just because its HD2... wm6.5 wp7 and android,, why not WP8??

Because WP8 is a completely different OS, altogether.
Giving it to current devices as a scaled version as 7.8 is the most they could do.
Now, its a OS, proper modding and changes could get it to the HD2 or even the current devices, except the GPU rendering, its too much for a single core.
The most you will get is the HS and integrated stuff, you wont be able to play the games WP8 devices can play!
this is still a 50:50 thought.

Wp8 HD2
Can't wait to see new WP8 on the history making HD2! Hopefully..

Dany3R9 said:
Can't wait to see new WP8 on the history making HD2! Hopefully..
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...& for the moment care to try Triple Boot? via native SD?
check out the link below

Can I Install WP8 on a WP7 Phone?

is there any way to install wp8 on a wp7 phone?

Really ? Did you do any homework or read any of the blogs about Windows Phone 8 ? I guess not. A key word that you should know is "search" as you would of found your answer.
To answer your question, NO. Window Phone 7 users will get a upgrade to Windows Phone 7.8 and it will give you the new start menu of Windows Phone 8 but, nothing else.

Windows phone 7.8
There will be update to wp7/wp7.5 called wp7.8 and you have same interface than Windows phone 8

kilus said:
is there any way to install wp8 on a wp7 phone?
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I'm pretty sure we'll be able to put some sort of custom ROM WP8 on a WP7 device.
Other than the secure boot, which should hopefully be easily turned off, I haven't seen anything which would prevent the OS from running on a WP7 device.

DavidinCT said:
Really ? Did you do any homework or read any of the blogs about Windows Phone 8 ? I guess not. A key word that you should know is "search" as you would of found your answer.
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really? did you do any homework or read any blogs about how to get laid as a nerd? i guess not. a key word you should know is "balls," as you'd require a pair as a real man and help you stop masterbating at online porn, move out your mom's house, and finally get laid at 43 years of age.
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There will be update to wp7/wp7.5 called wp7.8 and you have same interface than Windows phone 8
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thanks hetwo.
gedmurphy said:
I'm pretty sure we'll be able to put some sort of custom ROM WP8 on a WP7 device.
Other than the secure boot, which should hopefully be easily turned off, I haven't seen anything which would prevent the OS from running on a WP7 device.
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thank you too.. its good knowing there are some decent intelligent people out there willing to answer questions without having to be a disrespectful troll.

Hey guys,
Firstly please don't get this wp8 forum off to a bad start and keep flaming each other? Respect each other and the rules please :cyclops:
Secondly, from my understanding current hardware specs of wp7 phones are not high enough, do not meet, wp8 requirements so the answer is probably no. The official line is a definate no, wp7 devices, even new ones like lumia 900 will not get wp8 update

Hopefully soon wp8 on WP7 by Custom Rom

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Secondly, from my understanding current hardware specs of wp7 phones are not high enough, do not meet, wp8 requirements so the answer is probably no. The official line is a definate no, wp7 devices, even new ones like lumia 900 will not get wp8 update
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Definitely not via an update, that's clearly been addressed by Microsoft. However existing WP7 hardware is surely powerful enough to run WP8. The single core processor is definitely not a problem, and low end WP8 devices are looking to be lower in specs than current WP7 devices.
I'm no expert in usermode on WP, but I know the NT kernel extremely well, and it's more than capable of running on our hardware.

Some body will hack it
Sent from my Lumia 900 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

Only problem maybe drivers. It is Microsoft way to release oem from out of warranty obligation to keep an outdated product updated.
Who wants to sell one shirt and that person never buys another because it last too long. I understand wanted to save money. But how can they keep making money if the people that work for them is trying to make something2 years old work off of the mere 500$ the phone is worth. Hey has to make money or they will disappear like farmer jack and circuit city
Sent from my HD7 T9292 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

kilus said:
really? did you do any homework or read any blogs about how to get laid as a nerd? i guess not. a key word you should know is "balls," as you'd require a pair as a real man and help you stop masterbating at online porn, move out your mom's house, and finally get laid at 43 years of age.
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Hahaha. If you read ANY PLACE on this site, it says to SEARCH before posting.
You must not know how to read. This has been a major topic of discussion over every Windows Phone 7 related site.
It does not take a geek or loser like yourself just to spend 2 min reading before posting a subject that has been posted everywhere.
The new upgrade goes to the NT kernal over the WinCE one. That does take more horsepower than current devices can do. It will have native support for C++ and a lot of other modern tech (NFC and others). The current chipset in current devices will not be able to handle it with reasonable performance. As I understand it.
IF some hacker was to create a rom for a current device, it would not support more than 1/2 of the OS and the performace would not be anything worth using unless they stripped everything out.
It's really questionable if a hacker will be able to get it working on current devices and what type of performance. If you really want to know the changes, it's a little long but, it really shows what it can and will do...
http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Windows-Phone/Summit
It's the full streaming event, and it's almost 2 hours but, it's impressive and I can see why they went this route.

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The new upgrade goes to the NT kernal over the WinCE one. That does take more horsepower than current devices can do.
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Absolutely not true. The NT kernel will run on seriously low specs without any issues. It'll happily run on an old pentium 233 and 32MB RAM without any notable issues in performance. In fact,WP7 hardware is sufficient to run full blown Windows 7, not just the NT6 kernel (assuming the processor was x86 and not ARMv7)
I don't se drivers being a huge blocker as the number of drivers for NT6 is huge, and even in the worst case scenario any drivers we may be missing can be written.
It'll be interesting to see how quickly someone gets WP8 running on a WP7 device.

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Absolutely not true. The NT kernel will run on seriously low specs without any issues. It'll happily run on an old pentium 233 and 32MB RAM without any notable issues in performance. In fact,WP7 hardware is sufficient to run full blown Windows 7, not just the NT6 kernel (assuming the processor was x86 and not ARMv7)
I don't se drivers being a huge blocker as the number of drivers for NT6 is huge, and even in the worst case scenario any drivers we may be missing can be written.
It'll be interesting to see how quickly someone gets WP8 running on a WP7 device.
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It's a good question. As I got that from a Tweet by someone at MS. As I understand Windows 8 has a updated kernel that they are using on WP8. Not sure on it, as I thought it was the same as you (I'm a 20 year Windows Systems admin, I know the NT kernel COULD run on 286 machines if needed, not sure on the updated one, just going on what I heard).
It might of been the option of forcing users to have not hard reset their phones (like going from 32bit to 64-bit, no upgrade path) and that would cause a big impact on customer reports. As I have understood from watching the whole MS thing on it, it came down to performance problems that ended it before it started. Some chipsets to support the new OS are not on WP7 devices, so it limits the options current users can take advantage of.
It's not just about the devices and the end users , its' about the PR nightmare. Any press is good but, bad press is a whole different story. In a year or 2 no one will even talk about this. Android does this all the time and even Apple did it to their first gen device.
Who knows. Maybe one of the great hackers here or DFT will make it run on a current device. It makes me question it though.
As long as WP7 devices have been out, Not one WM 6.5 devices (not incuding the HD2 as it was used as a test device for MS on WP7 and drivers were leaked) got a WP7 upgrade OR No Android device got WP7 or the other way around. There are plenty of Android devices or even a handful of 6.5 devices that could of run WP7 fine.
The hackers can do only so much but, time will tell, I just wonder IF POSSABLE (with out MS), just how long it would take.
It will be interesting to see tho...
I do know I am about 95% sure I will be buying one on release, just depending on the models on release.

The reason for almost none of the 6.5 devices running WP7 could be that most of the old devices running 6.5 didn´t have the needed display (capacitive and the WP7 resolution) or processor. Take the Toshiba TG01: resistive display and higher resolution.

btw....moved to Q&A:good:

this will be possible atleast for hd7 and focus 1st gen:good:

hackarchive said:
this will be possible atleast for hd7 and focus 1st gen:good:
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for hd7? i see...

hackarchive said:
this will be possible atleast for hd7 and focus 1st gen:good:
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Just wondering... Where did you get your info on that ? Your HD7 and focus besides the display and case is almost like every other Windows Phone 7 device (standard hardware across all models).
Even though it has been clearly said by Microsoft that NO 1st or 2nd gen devices will get the update you seem to think the HD7 will.
Maybe it's me but, I'm smelling a little BS here....
Unless Microsoft says that they will be updating or DFT decides to dig in, your not getting a upgrade on any first or 2nd gen device and that includes the HD7 and Focus.

The problem with the kernel is not that it by itself would need that much power to run but rather that they would have to develop loads of drivers for it to work, as they would not be able to use those that already exist for Windows CE.
A bigger problem might be the Bootloader process. The NT Kernel at least on ARM requires an UEFI firmware which is likely to be pretty different from the bootloaders we currently have on our phones.
So the steps would be:
- Develop an UEFI firmware for current WP7 hardware (HSPL needed because it would replace the old bootloader) - including UEFI hardware drivers
- Develop drivers for the chipsets from scratch
- Find out on how many hardware characteristics Microsoft chose to rely that are simply not there on old devices
I'm not saying that it is impossible to do or that it won't ever be done but I guess until it's done almost no one will still be using such an old phone.

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DavidinCT said:
Hahaha. If you read ANY PLACE on this site, it says to SEARCH before posting.
You must not know how to read. This has been a major topic of discussion over every Windows Phone 7 related site.
It does not take a geek or loser like yourself just to spend 2 min reading before posting a subject that has been posted everywhere.
The new upgrade goes to the NT kernal over the WinCE one. That does take more horsepower than current devices can do. It will have native support for C++ and a lot of other modern tech (NFC and others). The current chipset in current devices will not be able to handle it with reasonable performance. As I understand it.
IF some hacker was to create a rom for a current device, it would not support more than 1/2 of the OS and the performace would not be anything worth using unless they stripped everything out.
It's really questionable if a hacker will be able to get it working on current devices and what type of performance. If you really want to know the changes, it's a little long but, it really shows what it can and will do...
http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Windows-Phone/Summit
It's the full streaming event, and it's almost 2 hours but, it's impressive and I can see why they went this route.
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Helooo???
Low end WP8 devices will have lower HW specs than some current WP7 devices.
WP8 could run very well on a focus s or HD7 or any other.
There will be custom roms for many current devices, there are many smart guys here that I'm sure will try to do this. Let's hope they will manage to do it.

[Q] Will 1st generation phones like my samsung focus get the 7.8 update?

Hello guys,
I'm wondering whether my samsung focus sgh-i917 will have the apollo update,
can any body give us official certified answer?
Thanks in advance

Everyone WP7 device will "just" get the 7.8 update.
So i think your Samsung will also get 7.8.
I dont know if developers can port WP8 to WP7 Phones, because they got different cores. And even if they can, you can't update NFC or other HW specs ^^

oookaay,
many thanks for the info,
I quess that but I needed confirmation
I think WP8 UI screen will be great an enough for me until I upgrade to a high end HTC WP8 devise

From what Microsoft said and what has been reported, every phone that runs Mango (which I believe is every phone in existence, except perhaps the Taylor) will get the 7.8 update. They've also stated that they're bypassing the carrier's to deliver this update, so literally every phone should be able to install it.
As for porting Windows Phone 8 to older devices, I don't really see the point. Yes, there are some nice additional software features, but so far most of the major announcements have been hardware related. Since you can't add NFC, a higher resolution screen, a Micro SD slot, etc to current phones, it's hardly worth it to port Windows 8. You get the most important software update, the new start screen, with 7.8.
I have to point this out. When Apple announces that iOS 5 can run on the 3 most recent iPhones, they aren't being completely honest. Yes, something called iOS 5 runs on those three devices, but the older of the two only get a subset of the features of the newest iPhone. Microsoft is doing the same thing with Windows Phone 8 and 7.8. They're just being more honest about what version older phones can run.

revxx14 said:
From what Microsoft said and what has ..., a Micro SD slot, etc to current phones, it's hardly worth it to port Windows 8....
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Samsung Focus can be a great device for this port as it has a micro sd card slot.:laugh:

Great News,
At least the WP8 start screen will be there, I loved it very much,

revxx14 said:
... something called iOS 5 runs on those three devices, but the older of the two only get a subset of the features of the newest iPhone. Microsoft is doing the same thing with Windows Phone 8 and 7.8. They're just being more honest about what version older phones can run.
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Very true! I wish the apple fanboys and those bashing Msft understand this simple logic
And I guess it's not going to be the start screen only, looks like there are going to be other features as well and will be announced shortly.