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Sprint/Nextel EVDO network hack

Does enyone know how to get onto the EVDO network from Sprint that would allow us to Direct connect with Nextel phones? I have heard that since sprint has come out with phones that utilize the EVDO network to access the Nextel network, people have ripped the software and successfully connected via other Networks.

The Kaiser is a GSM-based phone. There is no way to connect to CDMA/TDMA/EVDO networks with it.

sprint sells a phone called the mogul, or known on xda as the titan, you may wanna check in there...

Mr. NotATreoFan
hello
i thought that Evolution Data Optimized (EVDO) are same as High-Speed Data Protocol Access (HSDPA) but only with higher network speed? But my understanding was wrong. I tried to read difference but could not understand somethign at lay man term. can u please advice on difference.
NotATreoFan said:
The Kaiser is a GSM-based phone. There is no way to connect to CDMA/TDMA/EVDO networks with it.
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EVDO is term used for non-GSM high speed data access. Sprint currently uses EVDO Rev A, for example. HSDPA/HSUPA only applies to GSM networks.

thanks for clarifications
NotATreoFan said:
EVDO is term used for non-GSM high speed data access. Sprint currently uses EVDO Rev A, for example. HSDPA/HSUPA only applies to GSM networks.
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Actually...
Not to be a smarty pants, but HSDPA is a form of WCDMA, a software enhancement of the original WCDMA that allows faster data transfer, and emphasizes sound and video transfers too. So, yes, the original post is correct in at least one part of the assumption, that Sprint's CDMA/EVDO network is similar technology. CDMA, and WCDMA are actually evolved from GSM, but, equipment wise, are wholly different deployments from each other. WCDMA was the first 3G technology to be deployed, in Europe and other parts of the world, primarily on the 2100 mhz band. AT&T's deployment of HSDPA (on the ever-so obscure 850mhz band) was the first in the world, but far from the first deployment of CDMA.
My understanding is that T-Mobile will be implementing their HSDPA service in something like 27 new markets here in the next few weeks, so some of us may have a second choice for high speed service.
Incidentally, Sprint, and Verizon's decision to go with plain-ol CDMA for their network deployments will, within the next 10 years or so, turn out to be one of the most financially expensive errors ever seen in the cellular industry, as it prevents them from upgrading and deploying the 4G tech that looks to be the next step for 90% of the planet...LTE. They can, and are, at least in Sprint's case, deploying a comparable tech to LTE called WiMax, however, it is not capable of the same speeds as LTE, at the top end, and will once again, push them into the land of obscurity. Sprint & Verizon are the only 2 major carriers in the world that chose CDMA for their standard when deploying their cellular networks. Losers.....

mandaryn said:
My understanding is that T-Mobile will be implementing their HSDPA service in something like 27 new markets here in the next few weeks, so some of us may have a second choice for high speed service.
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The T-Mobile 3G network is supposed to be live by December of this year, but it is running on the 1700MHz band which will eliminate almost all of the current 3G phones out in the US.
...and I hate Sprint and Verizon too.

mandaryn said:
Incidentally, Sprint, and Verizon's decision to go with plain-ol CDMA for their network deployments will, within the next 10 years or so, turn out to be one of the most financially expensive errors ever seen in the cellular industry, as it prevents them from upgrading and deploying the 4G tech that looks to be the next step for 90% of the planet...LTE.
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..May be why Sprint is now selling off all it's towers to TowerCo

using vzw LTE device outside USA ?

LTE cards are basically next gen GSM sim cards, right?
Will a Verizon (cdma) phone that is LTE capable like the droid bionic work outside the USA?
Since LTE needs an LTE sim card, would an LTE device work outside the USA simply by removing the LTE card and inserting a local country sim card?
Thanks!

No the radio frequency is different.
Sent from my DROIDX using XDA App

If your device has an antenna that supports GSm then yes it will work. You wont get LTE of course.
Ala my Tbolt works in Europe.

I didnt' think the Tbolt had any GSM capability, where in Europe does it work az?

I have seen conflicting information on whether or not the Bionic has a GSM radio in it. On GSM Arena, they have the specs up now, and emphasize that it doesn't have a GSM radio, but when the phone went through the FCC, there are articles talking about how it will be a 'world phone'.
Does anyone work for Verizon, or actually know the situation? It baffles me that there are no LTE devices that are also usable in Europe.

Verizon piggy backs on Vodaphone's network in Eruope.
Check out http://b2b.vzw.com/international/Global_Phone/Europe/Germany.html for proof.
It isn't cheap though

azwildfire said:
Verizon piggy backs on Vodaphone's network in Eruope.
Check out http://b2b.vzw.com/international/Global_Phone/Europe/Germany.html for proof.
It isn't cheap though
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Thanks for that page. I see that Verizon uses that network overseas, but it doesn't appear as though the Bionic has a GSM chip in it, does it?
There is almost zero CDMA in Europe.

Yeah, you won't get 3g speeds - but you will have basic voice and sms service.
My phone stayed at 1x the whole trip - but the vast aray of free hotspots in Munich kept me well connected.

Bionic is supposed to be a world phone with 3G service on European frequencies:
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Motorola-DROID-BIONIC_id5306

Superguy said:
Bionic is supposed to be a world phone with 3G service on European frequencies:
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Motorola-DROID-BIONIC_id5306
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Thank you for that link. It seems that for every link that I find that says that the Bionic has a GSM chip in it, there is another link that says that it doesn't. Phonearena is a good site, so this keeps me being hopeful, but then I find sites like this: http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_droid_bionic-3710.php
They don't have a GSM chip listed, and specifically say that, "it will not work on any GSM network worldwide."
I guess that we will not know until after it is released and Verizon is finally allowed to talk about it? I tried talking to Motorola about it, and I have e-mails out to Verizon, but I'm not getting any information back that is relevant.

Check the FCC page for the Bionic here.
It's referred to in the user manual.
Though I will say, I couldn't find the GSM stuff in the tests, so it may not have made the final cut. I guess we'll see for sure on Thursday.
The link you had was for the original Bionic (the Etna). It got canned and reworked. The code name for this version was the Targa. This also has a model number of XT875 vs. the original's XT865.

I am currently living and working overseas. I can confirm that 4G LTE does not work in China. Actually, neither does verizon's 3G, which i believe is evdo (?).

No dice on it being a world phone it looks like it.
Phone Arena posted the user manual from Verizon's site. The manual's been updated from what Moto submitted to the FCC. It looks like GSM/UMTS was dropped from the final version. Makes sense considering it wasn't mentioned in the FCC test reports.
Bummer.

I would like to make a note that this phone can work in specific countries. Yes GSM is used throughout the world as the primary network (freq. band) which this phone does not provide but, it can still work in countries that has the CDMA network capabilities.
If you look in the "Getting Started" guide which came with the phone, there are Three sections about the "Go Global", "International Calling", "International Romaning" service provided by Verizon.
What I find odd is why mention this service if this phone is not a world/global/international phone..
HERE is an Example of some Countries that this phone should work in.
Japan, Taiwan, China, South Korea, Philippines, Thailand, Bahamas, Canada, Mexico, India, etc....
for a full list you can find it on Verizon's Wireless Site.
I also called Verizon to verify if this phone will work in Japan specifically as it is a primary destination of mine. They told me that in their records, The Motorola Droid Bionic phone will work in Japan. There is though, supposedly, an issue in texting where you can receive but not send
Even if its on the list, call them to verify to be safe before making a trip with the phone.
I did also ask about Europe to verify since they use GSM and they said that it would not work there. I was testing to see if they would say something opposite to what was mentioned publicly... something possibly hidden lol
Note: The primary focus was, does this phone will work in a specific country that I might travel to while still using the Verizon's plan.
If you are looking to try and get this phone moved to another service provider in that country on the other hand, I cant guarantee that it would work or is even possible. This was not a question that I brought up to Verizon.
Also I did not ask about the 4G/3G Data plan overseas.

Bionic in Japan and China
I went to China in 2005, my CDMA phone worked fine, however it was an old phone. No smart phones in 2005. I went to Japan last year with my Droid x. Everything worked well, Navigation text, phone calls. However the entire time you are in 1x mode. No 3G service in Japan, for Verizon customers. However ATT customers often had no service. I only had no service in once place. Not in a big city.
Since Japan is moving towards LTE there is no support for 3G on the CDMA network.
I do not think an LTE World phone is ready yet, for the difference band Frequency LTE operates on in different regions of the world. I would be happy if my phone worked in Japan, and it will but you will not get fast speeds and Data is very expensive on the network. When I went it was unlimited data for $64. Now Verizon has international plans. That will give you up to 250 Mb for $100. THe good thing is at 1x, how much data can you use.

not sure why this thread is spanning more than two posts.
it's cdma. no gsm chip.
there are about a dozen countries that support cdma. google it.

well the thing is the 4g chip for LTE uses a GSM network, thus the sim card... but the GSM chip works for 700 mhz OMLY, which is a LTE network frequency ONLY, so if you roam out of country, to do texts and calls, it would have to use CDMA. Not only that, but atm verizon is the only LTE carrier to use 700mhz. (correct me if I am wrong about that) so unless verizon has LTE tours out of country (vodafone?) you only will get 4G here, and if you do get 4G out of country, not only would it cost you a arm and a leg, but if there is no CDMA in the area, you would have data only. no calls, texts, or such.

Galaxy S HSPA+ Radio Question

I've searched google many times and still cannot find a clear answer on how T-mobile's HSPA+(aka 4g) works. If anyone could help me understand how this works I think many people including myself would appreciate it, and also is there anyway these Android phones can be hacked to upgrade as the networks upgrades. For example the G2 and Mytouch 4g have been branded as 4g yet they are not as fast as the Galaxy S running the 21MBps capability. I dont understand the technology let alone marketing on this. Is it UMTS, LTE, or HSPA+? I have found no good articles that really know what they are talking about. Im just curious so I as the consumer know what I'm paying for. Anyone can say 3g or 4g but it seems mysterious that these phones just happen to only be able to use only 14.4mbps vs the galaxy s uses 21mpbs. Along these lines is the new Voip technology. Some say you can do it and I here other places that the phone needs specific hardware to use. Is it just me or does there seem to be a hugeee breakdown in information be released that is relevant from the carrier to the consumer encompassing plans, network, and phones. Sorry if this seems to be off topic or all over, but my main question is on the "Galaxy S". I am just trying to figure out how we are supposed to figure out if a phone says HSPA+ and the frequency says 1700/2100, how fast it actually is.

1. wrong section
2. att's/tmobiles 4g is simply a faster version of 3g aka hspa+, real 4g is lte advanced which nobody has.

[Q] T mobile 3G/4G after unlock/debrand?

Hi All,
Is there *any* way I can get 3G/4G speeds on Samsung Focus S? I saw the unlock/debrand thread. Will it also enable 3G speeds on t-mobile network or is it hardware related and there is nothing we can do about it?
~ai2160

hardware...

My Focus S did 4G right out of the box.
The main reason you might not be able to get higher speed data lines is because of the frequencies your carrier uses to support those data feeds. Not all carriers are using the same bands. Rogers (here in Canada) uses the same bands as AT&T, so you pretty well have to wait until you can find an AT&T phone to buy to make it work.
T-Mobile in the US uses different bands, so their phones will only do E here in Canada. Likewise, and unlocked AT&T phone will only do E on T-Mobile in the US.

HOW THE F$%& do we get MMS to work if on Tmobile????

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That is good? What are you talking about... @waswaser quit posting random **** to get enough posts to spam the threads! Anyways I finally got data for Tmobile and now I have MMS Woohoo! AT&T is refarming some towers so people with unlocked AT&T phones will get 3g/4g on Tmobile, that will start 2013 i believe...

"T-Mobile reiterates their wish to launch 4G HSPA+ in the 1900 band in a
large number of markets by the end of the year. Current testing shows a
33% increase in HSPA+ data speeds and improved in-building coverage.
“Rolling out 4G HSPA+ services in the 1900 MHz band will also offer
customers with the ability to use a broader range of devices"
in other words... Focus S should work @ HSPA+ by the end of the year (if you are in the right market. Which, selfishly, should include NYC)

You lucky son.... Anyways I get great reception where I life, but it's more of a rural town Northwest of SEATTLE. I've tried AT&T phones here and I get HSDPA+ so would I get it when Tmobile is done refarming? I'd be happy with 3g though as EDGE blows...

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[Q] Way to know if 4G is working

Hi all, since a couple of weeks I am the happy owner of an HTC One. Where I live (Belgium), there is currently only one carrier which provides 4G and it is limited to a few cities. However, I live in one of those cities and according to a map on their site I should have 4G reception.
Unfortunately, I tried on several locations in the city and was never able to connect to LTE. My reception is otherwise without problems and I do have 3G connectivity. Now the question is if my phone is the problem or the carrier and a spotty coverage. So I have some questions:
1) Is it possible that the modem is not functioning correctly?
2) Is there any way of telling if the phone is capable of LTE without having an actual network to test it?
3) Do you need a seperate APN for LTE aside from the one used to connect via 3G?
Info for readers that are also living in Belgium. I have Proximus with Generation Connect and live in Ghent. I tested 4G connectivity on "het zuid" and "St. Pietersplein" without any luck.

Not sure if this helps but you could also check with your service provider if the mobile plan you're on allows for LTE access.
Here in Singapore, although there is nationwide LTE coverage, not every customer can automatically access it even though the phone supports LTE. I had to sign a new mobile plan to enable LTE access.

Thx for the reply The situation is very similar in Belgium, not every mobile plan gives you acces to 4G. My plan does, so that cannot be the problem. I suspect it is just spotty coverage by the provider but there is no way of knowing for sure I fear. This afternoon I was standing next to a cell phone tower with network quality -59dBm (which is good I think) and still no LTE. I was getting 24Mbps down on 3G though.

Hmm I would like to know if there are alternative tests too
My area doesn't have lte until beginning next year, but I would absolutely love to see a confirmation that my phone is capable of it
sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 4 (VIP)

4g and lte are two different things and 24mbs download is 4g or hspa+

I know that 4g and lte are not always the same. 24 down was on hspa+ as you suggested However in Belgium, hspa+ is known as 3g or 3g+ and lte is known as 4g. So in my case, 4g always means lte but I understand your confusion, sorry about that.
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You may also need to change your simcard. Here in Malaysia, lots of people buy the phone from retailers, and their older simcard does not support LTE.

skinsfanbdh said:
4g and lte are two different things and 24mbs download is 4g or hspa+
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That's not strictly true. When the ITU created the ITU-Advanced spec (4G), current implementations of "4G" would probably not pass as it was between 100-1000Mbps. WiMax might. Very few countries went the WiMax route and some have given up sine and switched, most went for LTE as itbwas cheaper to convert existing technology. After the fact, the ITU decided that the 4G term could encompass LTE. So, for over 2 years now, LTE is 4G.