So i love the captivate for phone calls, web, movies and other things, but when it comes to email and calendar it sort of sucks. Samsung just did a poor job. In email, deletes take forever (even with lag fix); read messages are hard to see because the transparency is whacked; calendar doesn't let me edit an event I created on the PC; no subfolders under inbox, etc.
I don't care about security - that is I don't need an APK with security removed or reduced, I just want better email.
Besides buying Touchdown do i have any options? K-9 doesn't do true push.
I was hoping we would see vanilla 2.2 ROM that used what Google was building in for Calendar and Exchange, but not yet. S
Suggestions? Anyone else as frustrated as me?
So everyone his happy with stock email and calendar, or no one uses Exchange?
alphadog00 said:
So everyone his happy with stock email and calendar, or no one uses Exchange?
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nope. i use touchdown
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nope. i use touchdown
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Yeah, but it still has some lag. I think i may be finally ready to throw in the towel on the Captivate. The form factor is great, the screen is great, and as a phone it is great; But even with the lagfix, it still takes time to open or manage anything with a decent database behind it. Samsung really made some dumb design choices.
I think i will give it one more week and see if I can stand Touchdown.
also interested in a better email. what choice do we have?
Go to the rom section, flash phoenix 4.5....live happily ever after.
It truly flies
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Go to the rom section, flash phoenix 4.5....live happily ever after.
It truly flies
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really?
your recommendation for better email and calendar is to flash a rom that has the same app as all the other roms?
sigh...
Android in general has a lousy email system. This isn't just a Samsung thing. The native email client just lacks so many of the essential features, especially for Corporate Active Sync accounts. I sure hope that Google makes some updates soon to this area on these phones. Touch down does the job but you're right, it's slow. As for K9, it does have true push technology. By configuring your account via IMAP, you can setup an IDLE connection which is Push. I have K9 set up with a couple other accounts and I receive notifications within seconds of mail hitting the server. However, K9 is full of features and if you're not familiar with it, it can take quite some time to get it set up just right for your account.
In regards to other ROMs with better email clients, I've flashed quite a few of them including Pheonix 4.5 and they're all pretty much the same. Currently I'm running Andromedia 1.1 (which is absolutely amazing), and the email client runs much better. But also, the whole phone is extremely fast. It's the only ROM that has actually put a WOW on my face in regards to performance. If you haven't tried that ROM I highly recommend it. As long as you do a clean flash from stock no bugs should be encountered. Everything just works and works fast!
Good luck!
I thought lag was the issue, sorry
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yeah man. if your phone lags, you're definitely behind the times or still running eclair. which is absolutely horrible. you need to go flash phoenix or firelfy. they have little to no lag at all and a quick as hell. i'm not sure what email you use but i use gmail and it's almost faster than i can push the buttons.
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I thought lag was the issue, sorry
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yeah man. if your phone lags, you're definitely behind the times or still running eclair. which is absolutely horrible. you need to go flash phoenix or firelfy. they have little to no lag at all and a quick as hell. i'm not sure what email you use but i use gmail and it's almost faster than i can push the buttons.
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guys,
if you have not used touchdown or stock email client on an exchange server then you dont have any idea what is being talked about here....this has nothing to do with voodoo/ULF. these apps DO lag regardless of what rom you are on....i chalk it up to poor exchange support overall in android. honestly though, any of these options work better than my iphones ever did
I use the Paragon 5.1 ROM and the stock email in there to connect to Hotmail that has been set up as an Exchange Active Sync partner for mail, calendar, and contacts. I can update on phone or pc and it is really instantaneous. I enter something on my phone calendar and it shows up online within 10 seconds. Same goes for adding or editing new contacts in my phonebook.
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if you have not used touchdown or stock email client on an exchange server then you dont have any idea what is being talked about here....this has nothing to do with voodoo/ULF. these apps DO lag regardless of what rom you are on....i chalk it up to poor exchange support overall in android. honestly though, any of these options work better than my iphones ever did
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Seriously man? That's a bad statement. I'm not an iPhone fan but have used one in the past an can tell you that with email it blows Android away. You even get the ability to have notifications for sub-folders in active sync which is huge. However, even though email seems very basic on Android with exchange it does sync reliably for email, contacts and calendars. What specific features are you looking for?
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Seriously man? That's a bad statement. I'm not an iPhone fan but have used one in the past an can tell you that with email it blows Android away. You even get the ability to have notifications for sub-folders in active sync which is huge. However, even though email seems very basic on Android with exchange it does sync reliably for email, contacts and calendars. What specific features are you looking for?
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notes, tasks, proper signature support, html emails. how about when you have an event in your calendar that has a phone number it would let you tap that number to call it? yes, there are hacky ways of getting these features, but nothing all wrapped up in one package...except for touchdown. the ONLY thing i dont really like about touchdown is the interface, it needs to be more customizable or blend better with the way the rest of the phone looks, instead of sticking out like a sore thumb.
i had iphones for nearly 3 years, and i currently have an ipad also, and the email was acceptable. no, android isnt caught up to that yet, but its getting there and i completely support the push forward. i would still pick my android over going back to the iphone. you do realize that it took nearly 2 years for the iphone to get proper exchange support right? since android is basically just now getting into supporting exchange (as of version 2.0? 2.1?), we should see some good stuff on the horizon in the near future.
Op, have you tried this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=821297&highlight=exchange
I have, and it has better folder support, and seems to work pretty well for ActiveSync. The folder navigation is much easier.
Use Root explorer, go into /system/app/ , rename Email.apk to Email.old and email.odex to emailodex.old, reboot, and your email app will be missing.
Just open this .apk with "my files" or any file manager, or Root explorer, and install.
See if that works better.
One place where the IPHone e-mail client works much nicer is when you have a lot of folders in your mailbox. Navigating is easier than the ultra-stupid "scroll like a madman left-and-right" method of the stock client.. I use ActiveSync as well, and I find the ActiveSync support, while improved in 2.2, can be very "kooky" for lack of a better term.
Hope that helps.
PirateGhost My friend moved the Touchdown client to the SD card and said he felt it was faster, but he's not lag-fixed or rooted, so I don't know what his frame of reference is. Might be something you could try.
I just installed an app called "enhanced email" Its much like the native email client but works much smoother. You can also move stuff between folders and it seemlessly integrates into all your other stuff. Check it I'm loving it so far.
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I just installed an app called "enhanced email" Its much like the native email client but works much smoother. You can also move stuff between folders and it seemlessly integrates into all your other stuff. Check it I'm loving it so far.
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Looks like an interesting alternative to TouchDown.
Does it support peak/off peak sync scheduling? I looked through their market listing and their forum but I couldn't find an answer.
I just checked and it does not. It also doesn't do notes or tasks. I would say that Touch down is more robust. This app is very much like the default email app but better.
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if you have not used touchdown or stock email client on an exchange server then you dont have any idea what is being talked about here....this has nothing to do with voodoo/ULF. these apps DO lag regardless of what rom you are on....i chalk it up to poor exchange support overall in android. honestly though, any of these options work better than my iphones ever did
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I would like to correct you as I am using FireFly and I have ZERO lag with the stock email client. I use it for email, calendar, and contact sync. I'm very happy with it and it does everything I need. So, flashing a custom ROM will make your phone faster including email...
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I would like to correct you as I am using FireFly and I have ZERO lag with the stock email client. I use it for email, calendar, and contact sync. I'm very happy with it and it does everything I need. So, flashing a custom ROM will make your phone faster including email...
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do you have any idea how a rom works or what it consists of?
what you have said makes NO sense whatsoever based on that context. i have been working on andromeda in its various stages since DECEMBER. i have tried EVERY ROM available to us on both of my captivates, i have tried EVERY form of lagfix/filesystem available, even your coveted firefly....and i can tell you that it doesnt matter what rom you are on...there is a lag. im not talking about the time it takes you to get the email from the exchange server to the phone, or variances between outlook and the phone, i am talking about opening FOLDERS and emails. there is a lag in the system.... if you think otherwise, you are lying to yourself to make it all feel better.
also, how about you open up an item on your calendar (conference call for example) and tap on the phone number to dial the line....
go on....
im waiting....
unless of course you are using the AOSP email app which allows that....in that case, set yourself up a signature in your settings and REPLY to an email....see if that signature is there.
how come we cant get all these exchange features in ONE app? touchdown doesnt include them all, but its the best available right now
sorry, but exchange support is MINIMAL at best in Android, so please keep the 'this rom cured aids!!' talk out of it. i never said a custom rom wouldnt make your phone faster, i just said it doesnt help EMAIL WITH EXCHANGE
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Has anyone spent any time comparing these two apps?
I really like Moxier. Even though it doesn't give you direct view access to your contacts or calendar, it does sync them and allow you to access your contacts from within an email and it gives you calendar alerts in your notification bar.
Touchdown has great support. It allows direct view of contacts and calendar.
Both support activesync push.
Right now, I'm trying to determine which one I'll be paying for.
The battery life seems to be a little bit better with Touchdown, but I can't say for certain.
Anyone have any thoughts?
Been usin' TD for about 5 months now, since the early betas, and it never ceases to impress me.
Yeah, I've been using TD off and on for the last few weeks.
I decided to test Moxier the other day when they sent me an email about the limited release.
I like Moxier in a lot of ways but I'm convinced it's not as refined as TD and it tears my battery down where TD doesn't appear to affect it at all.
I think I will be sticking with TD.
I do wish that handled folders as well as Moxier but all in all, I think TD is a better product.
Thanks for the input.
Just got notified of TD 3.0 today. Seems cool so far. Not sure what's change exactly. Something about accelerated push.
Touchdown is way better than moxier. Te mere fact that you can select multiple emails for deletion is worth it.
I love the synching of everyhtign else as well.
Calender, contacs.
Yes, touchdown kicks ass on Moxier.
Moxier has the ability to do what you are asking. Multiple selects to move, archive, delete etc.
I am using Moxier Pre Release because TD won't handle my mailbox (not sure why).
It does do a number on the battery and I would not purchase it until that gets fixed. It also seems to be turning push on all the time. Service keeps reloading itself and that may be linked to the battery issue. Moxier team has some work to do, definitely. But don't count them out just yet, there's some things that they are definite doing right.
Now we have another option ROADSYNC from DATAVIZ. They released a beta version for now.
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Now we have another option ROADSYNC from DATAVIZ. They released a beta version for now.
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I tried it. It won't let me trust my self-signed cert so I can't use it yet.
I think TD is still the best bet. I just wish it would let me download the current content of select folders instead of only what is new. That's the one thing Moxier does that nothing else so far can do.
Have you guys tried Haykuro's H build, it has an Inbuid exchange client developed by HTS itself. it is by far the best one. almost as feature rich as any WinMo phone. You can even send and accept calender invitations. plus the contacts sync with phone contacts and it will show both GMail contacts and Exchange contacts. it is fast, feature rich, very low battery consumption. I am sure when the release build comes out All Moxier's and touchdown's will be out of business. cauz HTC one is free & some one will port it from Sapphire's build to released G1 cupcake build.
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Have you guys tried Haykuro's H build, it has an Inbuid exchange client developed by HTS itself. it is by far the best one. almost as feature rich as any WinMo phone. You can even send and accept calender invitations. plus the contacts sync with phone contacts and it will show both GMail contacts and Exchange contacts. it is fast, feature rich, very low battery consumption. I am sure when the release build comes out All Moxier's and touchdown's will be out of business. cauz HTC one is free & some one will port it from Sapphire's build to released G1 cupcake build.
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i prefer to have a fullty functional, stable working phone with myfaves.
I mostly agree with Henchman.
I don't mind being on the bleeding edge to some extent, but with certain apps still not working with the Haykuro builds and htc exchange apparently fubar'ing calander entries, I'm inclined to wait just a little bit longer.
I am tempted every day though. I may bite the bullet and do it anyway, I just haven't reached that point yet.
Backup your phone to NAND and test it out. Worst case, you re-flash with your previous build. I'm going to try it this weekend.
I'm horny for native exchange support, I really am.
Native exchange plus native USB or WiFi tethering makes me want to jizz my shorts. Not sure when or if the latter will arrive, but I will keep hope alive.
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Backup your phone to NAND and test it out. Worst case, you re-flash with your previous build. I'm going to try it this weekend.
I'm horny for native exchange support, I really am.
Native exchange plus native USB or WiFi tethering makes me want to jizz my shorts. Not sure when or if the latter will arrive, but I will keep hope alive.
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Well, I went ahead and flashed theDude's version even without exchange support. I just hope that it gets added soon. Right now, this is just a solid build and I'll live without exchange for a while longer if I have to.
i find myself unwilling to pay for an app that will become part of the OS soon, especially at the cost for touchdown and moxier.
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i find myself unwilling to pay for an app that will become part of the OS soon, especially at the cost for touchdown and moxier.
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Don't hold your breath.
I flashed the Haykuro update, and yes, it does exchange.
But the email client is still as lame as ever.
No multiple email selects to delete multiple emails.
Is there a way to extract that exchange program from Haykuros version so that we can use it on other 1.5 versions?
Been using MailShadow since the beginning.
Prefer it over TouchDown as it syncs all your exchange data with Gmail (contacts/calendar/email) so you get to use the built in Google apps. It's also better since it makes your ENTIRE exchange mailbox available via the gmail app.... all your folders (labels), etc. I do have TouchDown as a backup though just in case.
Only downside is that it needs to run on a desktop computer at all times to sync- doesn't matter to me though as my computer is always on.
Haykuro new ADP1.5Hr4
Upcoming features in ADP1.5Hr4:
+ Newer SuperUser app
+ HTC E-Mail client. (Exchange support should work.. more info on this feature as i progress)
+ Based on newer firmware.
Had both.
Moxier has too many bugs. Contacts with "work"-numbers not getting synced. Force closes if you click on the header of a mail.
No notification if a new mail is in a folder (have set up some rules on the server to see important mails directly).
Notification itself is crap. If you open Moxier directly, not through the statusbar, the icon will never disappear.
TD is working way better..
Support of Moxier is worst. Takes weeks to get any information..
TouchDown gave me a free license since I am a T-Mo employee so I use TouchDown....and I really like it.
Hi friends
My workplace requires me to sync with their mail exchange server to get all my e-mail & calendars pushed. I've set it all up great on stock but my issue is when I am sent a new meeting request, I have no ability to accept or reject it on the phone. Any ideas on how I can resolve this? I'd prefer to stay on stock until I make sure my phone works fine before venturing into a custom ROM. I am not aware of there being any really good 2.2 ROMs specifically for the Captivate but when I am ready, I just want 2.2 on a simple ROM similar to stock without the bloatware. Any help is greatly appreciated.
no need to use a custom rom to make your mail usable.
i use an app called touchdown on my phone. it is the most complete mail client i have found so far. only downside is that it costs $20. well worth it if you need nearly COMPLETE functionality out of your mail client
i hear good things about k-9 but i couldnt get it to connect to my exchange server so i gave up on it and went with touchdown
I am using the stock app and i am able to accept or reject invites in the email app. They have a calendar icon and i scroll down and hit accept. An email reply pops up and i hit send.
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alphadog some reason it doesn't allow me to..just shows a blank e-mail. Can you also create meeting requests and send them to colleagues?
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I am using the stock app and i am able to accept or reject invites in the email app. They have a calendar icon and i scroll down and hit accept. An email reply pops up and i hit send.
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this wasnt working for me when i first got my phone. i just tried it again and it works now....an update or something i did? i dont know, its weird, because just after i got my phone, i was testing it out with some guys at work....
i still find touchdown to be better when it comes to actually reading the emails. full html email support is nice and looks more professional. the stock email client looks like a hack job when it breaks lines mid-word.
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alphadog some reason it doesn't allow me to..just shows a blank e-mail. Can you also create meeting requests and send them to colleagues?
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i just tried this and it worked for me...
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this wasnt working for me when i first got my phone. i just tried it again and it works now....an update or something i did? i dont know, its weird, because just after i got my phone, i was testing it out with some guys at work....
i still find touchdown to be better when it comes to actually reading the emails. full html email support is nice and looks more professional. the stock email client looks like a hack job when it breaks lines mid-word.
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I can accept meetings on my phone, but when I go to my calendar and try to create new meetings and add participants, it does not send the invites... Any ideas?
Hello All. Am I the only one that thinks the built-in Samsung e-mail app is garbage? I have tried the ATT stock ROM's, as well as custom (right now I'm on Cognition), and the mail app is always the same. I hate the color scheme (blue on black), and it can't be changed. I prefer the default white background on most phone's inboxes. I also hate that all of my Exchange folders are jumbled together at the top of the screen. It makes it impossible to use. Most Android phones that I've seen (ie. the Incredible) only show the Inbox but let you hit Menu to choose another folder. I would definitely prefer this. I've also tried 3rd party apps such as Touchdown and Improved Mail, but don't like them. Bottom line, does anyone know if the Incredible's email app, or one from another phone can be moved over to the Galaxy and work properly? Or is there a way to customize the built-in app that I'm not aware of. Thanks!
Nope - was going to say use Touchdown
Yea I wasn't a big fan of the Touchdown app. I know that people are using an apk from another ROM (I think the Galaxy tab?), and loving it. But there were some issues with the usage. Anyone else have any ideas?
K-9?
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Yea I tried that but could never get it to work. I would always get a 404 error when trying to set up the account.
k9 works for me but setting up exchange is complicated. I was working well until the last release. Then I could not send emails. I reverted back to the previous version via Titanium Backup.
Tab Email is nice but no html for exchange 2003.
Improved Email works too but still had not support for Exchange 2003.
Stock email lacked html support also.
You might guess what my criteria is
while testing a rom from the I9000 forum, Darkyy's Doc 5.4, 5.5 and 6 I noticed the email client had support for html with exchange 2003.
What ever you decide on back it up. Titanium will restore your signature and accounts. Also a backup is good incase you goof and the email.apk is the same name. SQG Tools may restore the store for you. It also contains the tab version.
K9 for all of my personal email accounts and touchdown for the corporate stuff on exchange
Does Darky's rom email.apk have a better interface? (ie. not blue text on a black background, and no tabbed folders jumbled at the top of the screen)
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Yea I wasn't a big fan of the Touchdown app. I know that people are using an apk from another ROM (I think the Galaxy tab?), and loving it. But there were some issues with the usage. Anyone else have any ideas?
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I just got done using that, or really not being able to use it. I could send emails from it, but it wouldn't sync my inbox, but it sync anything older than 3 weeks stuff in sent mail. Switched back to stock because I don't have that many folders I ever use besides in/out and sent.
We need someone super talented to fix the galaxy tab one, it is pretty much exactly what you are looking for
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Does Darky's rom email.apk have a better interface? (ie. not blue text on a black background, and no tabbed folders jumbled at the top of the screen)
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nope, I am using that ROM now and it is the same color scheme (black bkgnd) I also hate all email apps, and that is the only thing I like the iphone for
Does anyone else that uses Exchange on Sense think that it's an awful experience? When it syncs it bogs down the entire phone to the point where you can't even read emails or go into the app drawer and move around until it's done syncing. It's extremely hard to tell which mails have been read, as they are almost the exact same color whether they are read or unread. It seems to be better when not using an Exchange account, but it's almost unusable IMO on a business account. Is everyone getting the same experience as me, or am I alone?
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Does anyone else that uses Exchange on Sense think that it's an awful experience? When it syncs it bogs down the entire phone to the point where you can't even read emails or go into the app drawer and move around until it's done syncing. It's extremely hard to tell which mails have been read, as they are almost the exact same color whether they are read or unread. It seems to be better when not using an Exchange account, but it's almost unusable IMO on a business account. Is everyone getting the same experience as me, or am I alone?
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I use it for my work email, and it doesn't slow down my phone at all. I was actually a little hesitant coming from a BlackBerry, but I don't have any complaints. Calendar and Contact sync also both work flawlessly. One thing I did change was Mail Settings/Send and Receive/Include file attachment - I change it to never. Before it was automatically downloading every single image/document that was included in emails/signatures. I didn't realize it until I saw them on my SD card. Are you running a custom ROM? That may explain your issue with seeing read/unread. On the latest BAMF Remix I had trouble differentiating read vs. unread, so I just flashed the old font and it's easy to see.
I also havent had any sense/exchange issues at all. My 4G connection in Los Angeles downloads large CAD and PDF files all day long with no problem. I get probably 50-75 emails per day.
No issues with slowdown here also. I do agree unread emails should be easier to recognize.
No issues with slow down or any kind of lag. Are you rooted? What kernel are you running? I have over 2k contacts and it syncs and sends email just fine.
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+1. It is hard to tell read vs unread at a glance sometimes.
Can anyone suggest a fully featured exchange email client? The stock one is missing what i feel are two key features:
Search and auto correct
I like the UI and the full integration with stock contacts/calendar. Also, the stock one seems to run into security errors or other unknown reasons why it won't sync and i have to add and remove the account to get it working.
Touchdown seems slapped together for the tablets and wants me to confirm everything, which is very annoying. Also, it isn't integrated with the stock stuff.
I use Touchdown on my phone and my tablet. You only have to pay for it once and it loads on both. It works very well and has tons of features.
I know you said you did not like Touchdown, but that is what I use on my Xoom as well. I do not mind the layout and while quirky at times it still gets the job done better than the stock email client.
The two biggest problems I have with touchdown are that it isn't integrated with the rest of the android system (calendar/contacts) and that it constantly pops up little warning windows... why do I need a warning when I send an email? There are other little things about the layout that bother me, such as the email action buttons that are too small, the inability to delete an email right from the main screen, etc.
I guess what I really want is Outlook on my android
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The two biggest problems I have with touchdown are that it isn't integrated with the rest of the android system (calendar/contacts) and that it constantly pops up little warning windows... why do I need a warning when I send an email? There are other little things about the layout that bother me, such as the email action buttons that are too small, the inability to delete an email right from the main screen, etc.
I guess what I really want is Outlook on my android
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You can disable the warning windows for sending/deleting emails. You can also delete emails from the main screen by long pressing on that email and hitting Delete, FYI.
Am also using TD on my Xoom. Don't love it (stock was prettier) but lack of Search on stock Xoom client is a killer. I'm probably going to return my Xoom this weekend and try to pickup a GT 10.1 in NYC next week...we'll see if it has a different client (doubt it but their KB is diff anyway).
+1 for touchdown, you do need to tweak a couple settings like mentioned above but the MAIN thing "I" like is that it allows me to keep my business email separate from my personal.
I have been using Touchdown since I first purchased my G1. When I bought the Xoom I was able to get the email app to work to synchorize my work emails and calendar. This was OK, but I soon went back to TD for two reasons:
1) Since I don't necessarily want to see work emails on days I don't work (4 day schedule), the ability to turn off push on a schedule is a real plus.
2) Keeping work email segregated from personal lets me keep my sanity.
After the 3.1 update I went back to TD. Nice to see the registration from when I used it on my G1 still worked. It's feature set is great. I really wish they would overhaul the UI...it's flat out fugly. If they made the app with some curb appeal, it could gain traction as a serious alternative.
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