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Symbian on Rhodium

So we've seen the projects to create a ROM for Android on the Rhodium... Well now that the Symbian Foundation has released their open source code I think our handy dandy developers have an even greater challenge on their hands!
Who else is interested?
For those of you interested I've included information on the source code from Symbian.org:
developer. symbian. org/wiki/index.php?title= Categorylatform_Opening&action=edit
Hey fellow XDA-ers. I thank you for your thoughts thus far. Android is only a part of the next wave in Mobile Computing. Honestly I've found the MyTouch I owned from T-Mo too be toooooo slow and toooooo consumerish. I like a phone that has both lifestyle and professional all in its mix. This makes me a big fan of WinMo and Symbian. Seeing that Windows Mobile and Symbians *NEW* operating system both run C++ and .NET it may be much easier, practical and cooler than we think.

Yea...
Theoretically it should be a pretty fast and stable alternative. It would be dope, but there wouldhave to be some major UI changes for me to try it out....but maybe I'm unsure on how far Symbian has come...

I personally don't see the need for another proprietary operating system with its origins 20+ years old, windows mobile is enough of that for me.
Android was developed from the ground up with modern mobile devices in mind and in my opinion anyways is the most promising mobile os on the market right now.

Gootah said:
Theoretically it should be a pretty fast and stable alternative. It would be dope, but there wouldhave to be some major UI changes for me to try it out....but maybe I'm unsure on how far Symbian has come...
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UI changes in Symbian??? Sense/TF3D makes Symbian look like a Palm M500 I'd rather any developers with free time spend it on Android.

totalperception said:
So we've seen the projects to create a ROM for Android on the Rhodium... Well now that the Symbian Foundation has released their open source code I think our handy dandy developers have an even greater challenge on their hands!
Who else is interested?
For those of you interested I've included information on the source code from Symbian.org:
developer. symbian. org/wiki/index.php?title= Categorylatform_Opening&action=edit
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No need for that man. Even though Symbian has the highest exposure worldwide Android is the next wave, plus Nokia has Maemo to push as it is. Dual OS is more than enough for HTC user, such as myself. Just imagine triple boot Gen.Y where are you? LOL

just buy yourself a damn nokia ...

Android is crap i had a few device, and simbian is just fallin in darkness...

why would you want symbian? i could see android and iphone os for the apps and winmo for the customization and community support, even palm and webos... for reasons. but symbian isnt pretty, or userfriendly, customizable, or have alot of apps. its a slightly uglier version of blackberrys os. besides does it even support wvga resolutions? i think the only other os to do that is android.

... what a weird discussion, I do understand to have Symbian a lot more than Android here are my point against android:
- everybody says it is open source, the core is but nothing else that is why there are so few aternative ROMS
- No real GPS software, dont even star to compare with solutions available on Symbian or WM
- No tethering without hack!!!!! I am dreaming here, I was about to by the Moto-Droid, when I saw that I went back to my good TP2
- Google is as close as Apple when it come to app available on its store.
a nice GUI is NOT all, and software and functions make the difference, people can complain as much as they want about the "old" WM is it so far the OS which give the more flexibility and Symbian cones just behind, use a N97 and you'll see how smooth it is.
Now this will probably lead to a troll discussion but for me trying to adapt Android to some other device or symbian is perfect for fan who want to play but not for "production" phone, and for that I clearly keep WM so far. waiting for WM7
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OP: Have you ever even used Symbian? I have, and I have to say it's the most god awful mobile OS I've ever used. I returned the Nokia I bought within a week because Symbian was truly terrible. I can't honestly imagine why anyone would want to run Symbian, by choice, when you have other options like Android, Maemo/Mer, Windows Mobile, or anything other than Symbian. I wouldn't ever want the capable developers who could port Symbian actually waste their time on such a terrible OS. Porting Symbian to the Pro2 would be a downgrade; it would be like trading in a premium, business class smartphone for a $10 feature phone. IMO, not worth it. [/my 2 cents]

CarpeNoctem said:
... what a weird discussion, I do understand to have Symbian a lot more than Android here are my point against android:
- everybody says it is open source, the core is but nothing else that is why there are so few aternative ROMS
- No real GPS software, dont even star to compare with solutions available on Symbian or WM
- No tethering without hack!!!!! I am dreaming here, I was about to by the Moto-Droid, when I saw that I went back to my good TP2
- Google is as close as Apple when it come to app available on its store.
a nice GUI is NOT all, and software and functions make the difference, people can complain as much as they want about the "old" WM is it so far the OS which give the more flexibility and Symbian cones just behind, use a N97 and you'll see how smooth it is.
Now this will probably lead to a troll discussion but for me trying to adapt Android to some other device or symbian is perfect for fan who want to play but not for "production" phone, and for that I clearly keep WM so far. waiting for WM7
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i've used the N97 before. in fact, I came to the TP2 from an N97. symbian is, IMO, one of the most brilliantly designed mobile OSes in existence but it's implementation on the N97 was flawed, to put it mildly. don't get me wrong--I love Symbian and the N97 but there was too much wrong for me to overlook. For one, the v. 12 firmware(and, to a lesser extent, the v. 20 firmware) was too buggy for me and the N97 was all but smooth even with theme effects turned off. This may have been remedied with more RAM and a MUCH faster CPU(OMAP 3, anyone?). For what was to be a flagship the N97 was a great disappointment.
As for Symbian on the TP2, I would wait until later in the year to see what Symbian^3 has to offer before considering porting it.
Just my $.02...

@jaekidd1012
You get the point and understand.
I think most of the people are thinking of the old S40 OS which was garbage. But S60v5 which will now become the revamped Symbian^3, ^4 and ^5 will be an amazing piece of ROM and feature rich capabilities.
Because Symbian and WM are both written in Windows codes this should be a much easier project than Android. Android is great for those who want to use it but it's going to be overshadowed in years to come by Apple, Nokia and Windows.
(pending the Nokia v Apple litigation over Apple misusing patented Nokia technology)

i would love to see sense on wvga. i hope htc isnt giving up on that. i think android has the customization of windows mobile with the app store and prettyness of iphone os. just dont expect any other os's to run. linux has a way of working on any device.

ScooterG said:
UI changes in Symbian??? Sense/TF3D makes Symbian look like a Palm M500 I'd rather any developers with free time spend it on Android.
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The Jack of Clubs said:
i would love to see sense on wvga. i hope htc isnt giving up on that. i think android has the customization of windows mobile with the app store and prettyness of iphone os. just dont expect any other os's to run. linux has a way of working on any device.
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That where I disagree. the Operating system is the base of a platform and so far Android is as stuck as the iPhone, WM offer a lot more "playability" let see if WM7 will be as good for that. the important part is also the software and Android/Google as iPhone/Apple want to control all of this so refuse software allowing tethering and have the right of life and death on any application. I HATE this,
I bought the phone, it is MINE, if I want to void the warranty it is my problem, if I want to install an illegal application in my country I take responsability and refuse that google or Apple guide me like if I was a kid, I mean look at that: http://www.androidguys.com/2010/01/25/nexus-censoring-swear-words/ I really can't stand that you buy a piece of equipment for so much and companies want to force you to use it there way. Plus privacy!!! GOOGLE STORES EVERYTHING YOU DO WITH YOUR (???) PHONE!!! And nobody complains, everybody loves it. a nice GUI is not enough to make a good OS, I am not even talking about the iphone and the multitasking...

totalperception said:
You get the point and understand.
I think most of the people are thinking of the old S40 OS which was garbage. But S60v5 which will now become the revamped Symbian^3, ^4 and ^5 will be an amazing piece of ROM and feature rich capabilities.
Because Symbian and WM are both written in Windows codes this should be a much easier project than Android. Android is great for those who want to use it but it's going to be overshadowed in years to come by Apple, Nokia and Windows.
(pending the Nokia v Apple litigation over Apple misusing patented Nokia technology)
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I was wondering why other posters were making it sound like this was the worst idea anyone's ever read...it didn't sound too bad to me, hah. S60v5 doesn't look as awful as the posts are making it seem.
I don't really care too much either way on this topic. If there was a working rom out there I'd flash to it just to tinker around with since I've never used symbian. That said, I'm more excited about android progress (Even more so about W7, fingers crossed that we aren't disappointed), and totally fine with wm6.5.3 for day to day use until my next device.

android lets you customize the look and feel as much if not more than windows mobile, supports multiple devices and different resolutions, and lets you install programs outside the app store. thats why i think its most like windows mobile. it has the bonus of looking good and having lots of apps like iphone os. which is all why im most excited about it. i think it still feels a little bare but its getting developed fast.

The last time i really liked Symbian, it was called EPOC on my good old Psion Series 5mx, it had great community and support, nowadays symbian is just a crippled platform that mostly Nokia uses. I think its too late for them to go open source, it should have happened years ago...
I just hope that WM7 will be as good as Win7 after the good old matured XP

DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
OP: Have you ever even used Symbian? I have, and I have to say it's the most god awful mobile OS I've ever used. I returned the Nokia I bought within a week because Symbian was truly terrible. I can't honestly imagine why anyone would want to run Symbian, by choice, when you have other options like Android, Maemo/Mer, Windows Mobile, or anything other than Symbian. I wouldn't ever want the capable developers who could port Symbian actually waste their time on such a terrible OS. Porting Symbian to the Pro2 would be a downgrade; it would be like trading in a premium, business class smartphone for a $10 feature phone. IMO, not worth it. [/my 2 cents]
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I have to agree with Dave this OS is just crap...

phr33ksho said:
I personally don't see the need for another proprietary operating system with its origins 20+ years old
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how exactly did you come up with "proprietary" idea when it was released as opensource. by the very definition it can not be proprietary.
20+ years ago? wow... you are pretty ignorant, aren't you? why don't you go read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbian_OS before you make yourself look any more foolish.

Wow, how many smartphone OS's do we need?

What ever happened to just WinMo and Blackberry and Symbian?
We now have
Windows Mobile
Windows Phone Series 7
Android
WebOS
Bada
LG are developing there own
S-Class (sort of counts?)
iPhone OS
Motorola are developing there own
Symbian s60
Maemo
Blackberry OS
I know more choice is usually a better thing, but surely there is a limit?

Agree, this is way too many! Some will not succeed or will be combined in the next few years.

Don't forget about Brew Mobile by Qualcomm

There is a big difference between Smart OS and other Regular OS`s that intended to be for feature phones , such as Brew, S40 Nokia feature phones platform .. I personally dont think its right to classify Beda OS as smart OS .. but anyway samsung is using the "Smart" word more that any other company.
Btw LG announced they are not planning to build an OS.
Its good to have variety of choices plus it bring up new stuff .. look how amazing webOS is,how stable iPhone OS is .. and hey .. seems like android is capable of putting the best of all out there ..
anyway .. in time the bad OSes will die and disappear the good ones only would make it and stay

Amd12 said:
Beda OS as smart OS .. but anyway samsung is using the "Smart" word more that any other company.
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Have you seen the spec on the Bada OS phone? Cetainly seems like a smartphone to me!
But I agree with Brew and s40 not really counting - they're aimed at more budget phones.
Nevertheless do we need 6+ options?

samsung are making their own linux based os too
and nokia and intel are merging their linux based into 1 I read

wow you completely forgot blackberry the king of messaging i mean i know it actually sucks at web browsing but i mean when i start using my berry loads i type faster on that i can on my computer. i gotta say i do like iphone os and winmo. but i recon im gonna go android from now on i've used symbian it suck used blackberry and i hate the ui ( love the messaging and the intergration with facebook i mean us winmo guys get sent an email and have to reply to that but with blackberry the email comes thru but appears as a facebook notification in your messages if you open it it instantly opens the facebook app and takes you to that message photo or status) i like iphone just wish it was more customisable (dad has an iphone and loves everything except the fact you can't change stuff as easily such as battery light from the home screen) i'm using winmo and its bearable due to the fact that sense ui is amazing. but android is the way forward. but in response i feel we probably need about 4 each for diffrent people iphone for anyone android for anyone who hates apple (or realised its actually better than iphone) blackberry for people who need amazing messaging and winmo 7 for thoose windows fan boys

not sure if blackberry is big outside of America at least I never seen one in the country I live in

Rudegar said:
not sure if blackberry is big outside of America at least I never seen one in the country I live in
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Its not that big in the U.K you get the odd one or two, but there certainly not mass market. Although they have done a recent (ongoing) ad campaign on the TV.
But yeah, I completely forgot Blackberry OS.

Don't forget the new MeeGo OS too! What OS are Moto developing?

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What OS are Moto developing?
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Dont know, I think its only in its initial stages. Theres just been posts on various blogs about it. Not too sure weather or not its true.

Hadn't realized we had so many "sorta" working phone O/S'es out there. The company that makes an O/S that works bug-free out-of-the-box will cash in big. To steal a famous quote:
"One O/S to rule them all and in the darkness bind them."

What I'd like to see:
From Android:
Android Phone OS - Android basic OS for phones
AndroidMB - Android mobile business. Google needs to focus on the business market that doesn't strive for a hippie company that lets their entire staff come outside for the passing of Street View vehicles
From Apple:
iPhoneOS
MMB - Mac Mobile Business
From Microsoft
Windows Phone
Windows Mobile Business
I want a business phone that is as close as possible to a mobile computer. Not some interface that makes it fast for me to make a couple quick swipes with my finger to show someone a YouTube video. I understand that it's where the market is going, but there's a lot more contract money in business. Microsoft knows this. Everyone else needs to join the bandwagon. Microsoft can't forget this.

Rudegar said:
not sure if blackberry is big outside of America at least I never seen one in the country I live in
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well, in my country (Indonesia), blackberry selling is at the top level,
meanwhile, winMo phone is barely known here

dont forget hTC
yep its true..they are working on there own OS too...(to be revealed this year)

Ather said:
dont forget hTC
yep its true..they are working on there own OS too...(to be revealed this year)
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Wow. Just Wow. This will be huge!

Personally I find more choice is better. The more competition the better things are for the user in the end run, i.e. better technology, lower prices to name a few. Yes, it can be confusing on which to choose, but would you rather we all use the same device??? Didn't think so.
Also, not are new technologies make it, look at the mini-disc as one example of a technology which was supposed to take over from the CD, but were is it now??? The same applies to phone OS.....not all will make it, but the ideas behind these technologies will be incorporated into the ones which will succeed.....again only better for the end user
JM2C
Rick

Meego on Captivate?

Apparently our own XDA brethren have gotten MeeGo to work on a few Android devices - the Nexus One, Dell Streak, and HTC Desire.
Any chance we can get MeeGo on the Captivate? It looks like an awesome OS, Linux-based like Android. Something tells me that once Nokia starts using it on their upcoming flagship phones and other manufacturers' devices surface such as the awesome looking MeeGo tablet (the WeTab), it is going to be giving Android some serious competition. Also, the WeTab, for one, can run Android apps.
http://www.h-online.com/open/news/i...-Streak-HTC-Desire-and-Nexus-One-1097889.html
What do you guys say? Any chance of seeing MeeGo on the Captivate?

Well, that's if MeeGo will be something that sticks around for more than a year.
I was always a backer of Nokia but after purchasing the N97 and returning it in 2 weeks...I have yet to see anything solid out of them. N95/96 have been the last good devices they've released...and on top of that, they have just about stop listening to their customers and supporters. It'll be interesting to see what happens with SonyEricsson now since they have said officially they will no longer be looking at Symbian/MeeGo as a platform...but are still part of the Foundation itself.

falabarce said:
Well, that's if MeeGo will be something that sticks around for more than a year.
I was always a backer of Nokia but after purchasing the N97 and returning it in 2 weeks...I have yet to see anything solid out of them. N95/96 have been the last good devices they've released...and on top of that, they have just about stop listening to their customers and supporters. It'll be interesting to see what happens with SonyEricsson now since they have said officially they will no longer be looking at Symbian/MeeGo as a platform...but are still part of the Foundation itself.
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Nothing will happen with SonyEricsson leaving the symbian foundation since they really haven't brought anything substantial to the table to begin with. I've always found the SE's Symbian implementation to be horrendous.

Possibly good news on the horizon... Nokia announces another chief for MeeGo

Nokia to beat Android?

Here's the article: http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/nokia-our-first-priority-is-beating-android/
My first thoughts were....hahahaha! In their dreams.
Open source can't be beat, simple as that. But Google do need to come up with a better strategy for implementing their OS on the devices otherwise fragmentation will drive potential customers away.
In my view WP7 is a step backwards, the UI is horrible with home being filed with tons of tiles that you have to scroll through, no real multitasking, locked down like iOS etc, and now Nokia thinks that this move will beat Android. Are they that arrogant?
I did a speed test comparison between DHD and HD7 and WP7 got its ass smacked, it loaded apps/games much slower.
They should of made a better version of N900, that was not a bad phone but could of been a monster.
Your thoughts?

The day that Nokia has dominance over Android, I will get an iphone. I currently own the 1 and only Evo 4g, rooted, stock. (wireless tether of course).

yeah i think nokia is making a bad move

lol good old nokia trying to make a comeback...

I honestly don't know who even carries Nokia phones anymore They once made really nice phones. Windows mobile or phone 7 or what ever they are calling it this year is in the same boat imo. I carried wm since the HTC 8125. And year after year I pationatly waited for ms to get it right, and they never did. It did get better in terms of reliability but I still had to reset my tilt 2 a few times a week.
I think the team up could be good for them but I could care less.
To me, It's like 2 old men in your neighborhood teaming up and thinking they are gonna take back that snow shoveling biz that they had when they were kids all the while everyone already has the youngsters down the street with their self propelled snow blowers that knock out the jobs in no time.
They pissed off most of us loyal wm folks along time ago and you know how that saying about screw me once, screw me twice goes....not gonna happen to me.
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Hmmnn, noki is not going anywhere except in your dreams

Speaking of steps backwards hows the whole no GPU accelerated UI treating you guys? I'm loving having a homescreen that doesnt look like an iphone ripoff. Nokia has an astounding market share in the European market, they have the power to help drive WP7 much higher. Call it a step backwards if you'd like. It's nice to not have to flash a new rom at least once a week to have a functional phone.

I like Nokias phones. My brother has the n8 and the camera is amazing! hopefully this works out and I'll get a nokia with a xenon flash

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Speaking of steps backwards hows the whole no GPU accelerated UI treating you guys? I'm loving having a homescreen that doesnt look like an iphone ripoff. Nokia has an astounding market share in the European market, they have the power to help drive WP7 much higher. Call it a step backwards if you'd like. It's nice to not have to flash a new rom at least once a week to have a functional phone.
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There it is, that's what I was waiting for.
UI is hardware accelerated on 2.3 and up, even 2.2 can have it with a minor file modification. How the no copy/paste going? Or hows the whole can't edit a email when forwarding going? When M$ bring out an update will you jump around like a little schoolgirl and call it innovation? C'mon man, the OS is seriously lacking the most important features, it's shameful.
Sure stock UIs layout is slightly like iPhones but looks nothing like it though. You see, I can make the UI looks how I want which fits my needs, not what a few guys think it should be.
Flashing ROMs has nothing to do with having a functional phone, it's only to improve it further and bring out the potential.
Nokia may help with a few sales but many longtime fans will turn around and look elsewhere for a phone to fulfill their needs.

Nokia wont ever beat android
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Why not??? Nokia will beat Android... Didnt u read the article?

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There it is, that's what I was waiting for.
UI is hardware accelerated on 2.3 and up, even 2.2 can have it with a minor file modification. How the no copy/paste going? Or hows the whole can't edit a email when forwarding going? When M$ bring out an update will you jump around like a little schoolgirl and call it innovation? C'mon man, the OS is seriously lacking the most important features, it's shameful.
Sure stock UIs layout is slightly like iPhones but looks nothing like it though. You see, I can make the UI looks how I want which fits my needs, not what a few guys think it should be.
Flashing ROMs has nothing to do with having a functional phone, it's only to improve it further and bring out the potential.
Nokia may help with a few sales but many longtime fans will turn around and look elsewhere for a phone to fulfill their needs.
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Important features? in the 2 years I had android I can not remember a single occurrence in which I used C&P or needed to edit a forwarded email. Would it be nice? Sure. Is it necessary? Not at all. The point is while android has these features most of them are haphazardly thrown together and hardly functional where what WP7 has (even though it is lacking some features) truly works without having to jump through hoops. GPU acceleration is possible apparently on 2.3 plus but due to fragmentation and other issues it isn't implemented. If you can truly say the vibrant with its impossible lag or the dodgy touchscreen on the cliq or any of the other ill built phones were functional before custom roms your much more prone to fanboyism than I. It's nice to have a phone that really works, android was a low-end alternative to the iphone, putting it on high end devices is like throwing a Chevy cavalier engine in a lambo, it just makes them look bad except to the community thats always flashing roms which frankl, I dont have the time for any more.

I think Nokia partnering with Microsoft to make WP7 phones is a dumb move. Elop was quoted as saying Nokia is like being on a burning oil platform in the North Sea. So what he wants to do, is to jump onto another burning oil platform called WP7? I think it's entirely due to the fact that Elop is a former Microsoft exec!
I wasn't at all surprised, when I read an article yesterday that said investors were so upset with the news that Nokia stock price fell 14% and many Nokia employees were so upset, they used flex time and left work early.
What I think Nokia should have done, is partnered with Google and used Android. These new phones should be supplied with some kind of proprietary libraries or emulation that only works in Nokia phones to allow existing Symbian apps to run seamlessly. That way, it would provide a practical upgrade path for existing Nokia phone owners. This worked great for Apple when they went to OS X which was a completely different UNIX-based architecture, but used Rosetta to allow old PPC Mac OS apps to run. They could even market a play on words with Symbian related to symbiosis.
I just don't see how going to the smartphone platform with the least market share will help matters. WP7 has less market share than even old WinMo 6.x according to current stats.

GnatGoSplat said:
I think Nokia partnering with Microsoft to make WP7 phones is a dumb move. Elop was quoted as saying Nokia is like being on a burning oil platform in the North Sea. So what he wants to do, is to jump onto another burning oil platform called WP7? I think it's entirely due to the fact that Elop is a former Microsoft exec!
I wasn't at all surprised, when I read an article yesterday that said investors were so upset with the news that Nokia stock price fell 14% and many Nokia employees were so upset, they used flex time and left work early.
What I think Nokia should have done, is partnered with Google and used Android. These new phones should be supplied with some kind of proprietary libraries or emulation that only works in Nokia phones to allow existing Symbian apps to run seamlessly. That way, it would provide a practical upgrade path for existing Nokia phone owners. This worked great for Apple when they went to OS X which was a completely different UNIX-based architecture, but used Rosetta to allow old PPC Mac OS apps to run. They could even market a play on words with Symbian related to symbiosis.
I just don't see how going to the smartphone platform with the least market share will help matters. WP7 has less market share than even old WinMo 6.x according to current stats.
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Your whole argument is based on the foundation that WP7 in 4 months didn't sell as much as WM did since 03? Really? Ya don't say? Their choices were either be just another fish in the android OEM pool that would have received no more attention and no more rights than any other or be THE manufacturer of WP7. Really though, why would you jump from marketing symbian to marketing some re-skinned version of android... that's like jumping from Windows ME to windows Vista. They're both buggy and both require tons of modification before they're usable. Android only sold because it was marketed by google and essentially looked like a low-end iphone for every carrier. WP7 is innovation, it currently lacks a few basic features but what it does have works and thats more than any other OS except iOS can say and honestly, who wants those hardware limitations and ugly UI?

Well, we all know what Vic Gundotra thinks about this...

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Your whole argument is based on the foundation that WP7 in 4 months didn't sell as much as WM did since 03? Really? Ya don't say? Their choices were either be just another fish in the android OEM pool that would have received no more attention and no more rights than any other or be THE manufacturer of WP7. Really though, why would you jump from marketing symbian to marketing some re-skinned version of android... that's like jumping from Windows ME to windows Vista. They're both buggy and both require tons of modification before they're usable. Android only sold because it was marketed by google and essentially looked like a low-end iphone for every carrier. WP7 is innovation, it currently lacks a few basic features but what it does have works and thats more than any other OS except iOS can say and honestly, who wants those hardware limitations and ugly UI?
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No, my whole argument is based on WP7 being a sales FAIL. The comparison to WM is only a point of reference, because it's generally well accepted that except for a few fanboys, nobody likes WM.
No, their choices were to use Android, a product that people actually WANT, vs WP7, a product that nobody wants. It doesn't matter how awesome or innovative you may think WP7 is, if nobody wants it, nobody's going to buy it. So if Nokia wants to make money, and unless I'm mistaken, but all companies exist to do one thing and that is make money, they should choose the platform that makes money rather than one nobody wants.
You're saying iOS has an ugly UI? Compared to WP7? Seriously? For most people I know (and according to sales figures, most people worldwide), the UI is what turned them off to WP7 and drove them to Android or iOS.

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Important features? in the 2 years I had android I can not remember a single occurrence in which I used C&P or needed to edit a forwarded email. Would it be nice? Sure. Is it necessary? Not at all. The point is while android has these features most of them are haphazardly thrown together and hardly functional where what WP7 has (even though it is lacking some features) truly works without having to jump through hoops. GPU acceleration is possible apparently on 2.3 plus but due to fragmentation and other issues it isn't implemented. If you can truly say the vibrant with its impossible lag or the dodgy touchscreen on the cliq or any of the other ill built phones were functional before custom roms your much more prone to fanboyism than I. It's nice to have a phone that really works, android was a low-end alternative to the iphone, putting it on high end devices is like throwing a Chevy cavalier engine in a lambo, it just makes them look bad except to the community thats always flashing roms which frankl, I dont have the time for any more.
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lol wut?
This is basic functionality I use most days. Even if I used it monthly the whole point is that when I need it it's there, thats the power of android. You don't need all the features every day, but when you do need it its all there ready.

I will take a speedy UI and no c&p over the opposite any day. No one dropped wp7 and turned to Android or IOS because of the UI. No one has used wp7 because they're a fanboy of either of the other oses and think anything else is wrong. Wp7 in its first poor iteration has a more complete feeling than any of the 30ish Android devices I've owned and that's just sad. Wp7 is small now because people fear change regardless of how much smoother the user experience is.

z33dev33l said:
I will take a speedy UI and no c&p over the opposite any day. No one dropped wp7 and turned to Android or IOS because of the UI. No one has used wp7 because they're a fanboy of either of the other oses and think anything else is wrong. Wp7 in its first poor iteration has a more complete feeling than any of the 30ish Android devices I've owned and that's just sad. Wp7 is small now because people fear change regardless of how much smoother the user experience is.
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Not true. The only fanboys I know are on this site. I've recently talked to many smartphone n00bs who are getting a smartphone for the first time. Just from playing with the phone in the showroom, they narrow it down to Android or iPhone. WP7 is never even considered. Some people will switch from Android to iPhone and vice versa. People on this forum excluded, I don't know anyone who has even considered going from iPhone to WP7 or Android to WP7. Even my wife, who isn't even remotely a fanboy, has no interest in WP7 simply because she doesn't like how, "it looks so plain and boring". Maybe people would love WP7 if they actually used it for awhile, but Microsoft can't even get them through the door, much less reel them in.

Wp7 needs a mascot like a bald guy in a turtleneck or a little green robot. Then it would be srsbiz.

[Q] Meego from N9 to Nexus One

What are the chances? Just wondering.
It would be amazing and I would probably throw in some money myself.

Wanted to post a thread on this too. Im also very interested on this. ^^

they already have half working meego ports for nexus one, can't be that far of a stretch to get the n9 version working, assuming it is open like meego.

Waste of time. MeeGo is a stillborn OS. The N9 and the N950 will be the only devices to EVER run MeeGo. Why spend time on something with no future... especially when Android is dominating the market.

Give it time
I have high hopes for Meego and if there is ever a N1 port I will definitely try it. Also, Meego is definitely not a stillborn OS. Sure, it's been slow to take off but this is in large part due to Nokia screwing the open source community by getting into bed with Microsoft to make Windows phones. But despite this, there has been very positive reviews for the flagship Meego phone, the Nokia N9. Prior to being released, everyone thought the N9 would be a lazy excuse for a handset but now are astonished to see how sexy Meego looks. Keep in mind Meego is part of the Linux Foundation which means a more free license than the apache/google licensing which is perpetually having lawsuits pile up. Give it some time, Meego will inevitably end up being ported to the N1. Oh, and I read somewhere that Meego either can or will be able to run Android apps in the future so making the switch might not end up being too hard

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Waste of time. MeeGo is a stillborn OS. The N9 and the N950 will be the only devices to EVER run MeeGo. Why spend time on something with no future... especially when Android is dominating the market.
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I agree but still... #nerdbragging rights.
Plus I've had my phone run like a WP7, I've had it look like iOS, and this would be the icing on the cake
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GldRush98 said:
Waste of time. MeeGo is a stillborn OS. The N9 and the N950 will be the only devices to EVER run MeeGo. Why spend time on something with no future... especially when Android is dominating the market.
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I beg to differ. It looks like MeeGo is already running on other devices. Also, it's open source which means it at least has a shot at life past any sort of official support. Heck, maybe there are features we'll find in it that we like enough to put into Android.

I think it's great to have many roms to choose (even when i think that meego have no future ) but still, it would be nice to test it on my N1

GldRush98 said:
Waste of time. MeeGo is a stillborn OS. The N9 and the N950 will be the only devices to EVER run MeeGo. Why spend time on something with no future... especially when Android is dominating the market.
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Well its still nice to experience a new platform without buying a new phone. Even the gestures may work since the row of menu/home/back/search button is part of the capacitive layer.