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Hello All,
Been reading this forum for quite a while, 1st time posting. This community has helped me improve my life immeasurably in the past couple years.
I got an HTC Tilt a couple days ago. Unfortunately it's not able to be returned or warrantied. When I first turned the device on it saw the 3G network (or at least displayed the icon; I never had the chance to connect). I navigated to my sd card and went to delete Fieldtest.exe, which I had placed there for ease of use from my previous 8525 (I do some network testing for my job). I forgot and tapped it rather than holding down the stylus and opened the program; the 3G icon disappeared and went to E and I haven't been able to get it back. I've tried clearing the memory and have completely reflashed the device using the HTC retail ROM. Also tried kaisertweaks to enable HSDPA and the bandselect tool.
This is really bizarre. I don't think that Fieldtest.exe could have damaged just the 3G portion of the chipset.. but I'm running out of ideas. I've searched through this forum (finding wonderful nuggets of information as usual - can't wait to try Digitaltigre's method for using the Kaiser, or maybe old 8525, as DiNovo Mini) and others to try to find others with a similar experience and I've done the obvious (reflashing the radio I thought for sure would do it). Besides this the device works great - EDGE connects and is usable, voice calling works, tethering works, etc.
Any ideas you folks can come up with would be greatly appreciated,
Thanks,
Shoehopper
ROM: 1.62.502.0
ROM date: 01/17/08
Radio version: 1.27.14.09
Protocol version: 22.45.88.07H
And I'm in a very strong 3G area (-65 to -70 dBm typically)
did u try changing your rom or doing a clear storage?
I tried both. The ROM I reflashed was the same version as the ROM that was already on it however.
try a different one
are you sure your area is 3G enabled? or at least have decent enough 3g coverage.
try this one addon it's called band select. it adds a tab to your phone settings where it lets you pick auto, regular gsm (G,E), or 3G. You can then force it to be on 3G only. The problem is, if this doesnt work it may mean what you thought earlier that either your 3G chip is messed up or you just not in a decent coverage area for 3G.
i cant find it on my pc, if you do a quick search you may unveil it. hope that helps
using 3g off/on in comm manager works for me or if i wanna get serious i use bandswitch or comm manager pro www.commmgrpro.com
shoehopper said:
...Unfortunately it's not able to be returned or warrantied...
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Why is this? Even a secondhand Tilt will be less than 1 year old, and covered by AT&T's warranty.
I tried using BandSwitch, when I pick UMTS it constantly searches for signal (... under the antenna icon and x on the connection icon). Selecting Auto reverts to E.
I am certain of being in UMTS area (Redmond, WA HQ building of certain large wireless organization.. which is also why I cannot warranty or exchange he device).
Thanks,
shoehopper
errr nm i did some homework. Thought i had an answer.
eeeekkkkkkk
weird. I have some bugs depending where i am if the signals are real strong, i sometimes cant seem to leave my wifi on and stream info over 3g AND use my bluetooth. Are you running anything else at ALL. ? in the case i mentioned, i sometimes have to turn off my wifi to get my bluetooth to work.
Maybe some weird bug w/ something else your running?
NotATreoFan said:
Why is this? Even a secondhand Tilt will be less than 1 year old, and covered by AT&T's warranty.
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Found on the side of the road?
fell out of the truck?
Stolen?
It was company provided, which means I'm not out anything personally, but it does have a $ value nonetheless. Being company provided but outside the retail channel, it is not able to be warrantied or returned. Sheesh.. people assume the worst.
I am not running any fancy connections. Haven't even turned on the Wifi or Bluetooth. No programs (besides the aforementioned kaisertweaks, and now BandSelect). It's not that it doesn't connect; it doesn't even SEE that there is UMTS coverage available, only EDGE.
Thanks,
shoehopper
I'd try a warranty exchange anyways, if I were you. (Once you've determined if there is a hardware problem...) Supposedly the warranty follows the device, no matter what channel it takes to get to the current end user. Anyways, that's what I've heard, and it wouldn't hurt to try. Just call customer service and ask for the warranty department.
Are there two physical radios in the Tilt/TyTN II? I ask because I'm experiencing a strange problem that nobody else seems to have seen before. That, or nobody noticed my posts here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335096
The problem is that phone/data work fine when the phone is in non-3G mode. (In the Comm Manager, available in most recent ROMs, I have disabled the 3G mode, so I'm using only GSM here in the US).
In 3G mode, I'll get a 3G icon (used to get an H, months ago), but will be unable to place/receive calls, and no data connections will be established -- they'll all time out or say that "the answering modem has disconnected."
So, back to my question: is it possible that my radio is partly damaged? Can that happen? I'm not sure how else to explain the utter lack of 3G on my phone.
can't have a damaged radio, you could have the wrong radio for the device and/or version of windows mobile. 3g only works if in 3g area,have it enabled and turned on through comm manager.also make sure you're network settings are correct and make sure phone is set to auto in networks tab in phone settings,not set to gsm/cdma
PS, the search tool/wiki are you're friends since this has been covered too many times
dyetheskin said:
can't have a damaged radio, you could have the wrong radio for the device and/or version of windows mobile. 3g only works if in 3g area,have it enabled and turned on through comm manager.also make sure you're network settings are correct and make sure phone is set to auto in networks tab in phone settings,not set to gsm/cdma
PS, the search tool/wiki are you're friends since this has been covered too many times
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Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, I've tried everything I can think of, and everything suggested. Nearly ever ROM I've seen, with nearly every radio; every combination of wap.cingular, isp.cingular, etc. The AT&T store thinks the phone is defective b/c they can't figure it out, either. In response to your comments: tried every version of windows mobile and most of the radios available; I'm very much in a HSDPA 3G area (used to get 5 bars "H" all the time); 3G is enabled; network settings are correct; phone is set to auto/auto.
Any other ideas, anyone? I appreciate it!
I've been have the same exact problem. I posted about it about a month and a half ago, but got nothing.
Everything worked perfectly until one day, out of nowhere, 3G stopped working for me. I've also tried multiple radios and ROMs and to no avail. The weird thing is that when it stopped working, nothing had been changed in months.
I know that I'm definitely in a 3G coverage area because I used to get 3G service all the time.
If I turn 3G on, it'll work in an edge only area, but as soon as it switches over to WCDMA, the problems occur.
This is super aggravating.
AndyNJ said:
I've been have the same exact problem. I posted about it about a month and a half ago, but got nothing.
Everything worked perfectly until one day, out of nowhere, 3G stopped working for me. I've also tried multiple radios and ROMs and to no avail. The weird thing is that when it stopped working, nothing had been changed in months.
I know that I'm definitely in a 3G coverage area because I used to get 3G service all the time.
If I turn 3G on, it'll work in an edge only area, but as soon as it switches over to WCDMA, the problems occur.
This is super aggravating.
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Well, the good part is, you're not alone. I found another forum online (can't remember where, I'm at work now and I found it last night) were several people were having the exact same problem -- in various countries around the world, including the US.
They had decent luck flashing the stock HTC ROM and then the French radio mentioned on the big XDA radio post (search google for "kaiser radio" and you should see it). However, I did the same and still have the 3G problem.
did you try using a shipped att rom and see if you still have this problem? if the problem goes away, then maybe its just a rom/radio mismatch problem. if it doesnt, then its more likely a hardware failure.
I'm in france, and since few days, i've the same problem, and i haven't change the radio. the phone is going for repair.
link to my post
XtreMe_G said:
did you try using a shipped att rom and see if you still have this problem? if the problem goes away, then maybe its just a rom/radio mismatch problem. if it doesnt, then its more likely a hardware failure.
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Yep -- I've tried going all the way back to the original ROM and radio. No go.
yeantbron said:
I'm in france, and since few days, i've the same problem, and i haven't change the radio. the phone is going for repair.
link to my post
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Can you keep us posted on what happens when it comes back? If it's really a hardware problem, many inquiring minds would love to know.
Bonne chance!
chaosniner said:
Are there two physical radios in the Tilt/TyTN II? I ask because I'm experiencing a strange problem that nobody else seems to have seen before. That, or nobody noticed my posts here:
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As mentioned in this thread, some shipments of the TyTN II have faulty hardware with broken 3G support.
No patch or driver update can fix this because it is a hardware problem. I experienced exactly the same issue with my first TyTN II and finally replaced it with a new device which works flawlessly out of the box.
I believe you should also better get your device replaced if you ever want to use 3G.
Can you keep us posted on what happens when it comes back? If it's really a hardware problem, many inquiring minds would love to know.
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Yes of course !
Well, 4 days to receive my phone !!
and they have changed :
_motherboard
_antenna
and MAJ rom and radio
Version de ROM : 1.56.163.8 ===> 1.56.163.9
Date de ROM : 09/04/07 ===> 10/15/07
Version de radio : 1.27.12.11 ===> 1.27.12.32
Version de protocole : 22.45.88.07H ===> not changed
are you saying you have gotten your phone back? is it working now?
I just got a used g1 and it only picks up 3g, it dosent switch over to edge it only gets siginal in 3g, i tried to factory reset it, i used the *#*#4636#*#* to switch it to edge no dice, rooted it, ive pretty much done everything i can think of, anybody else have this problem and know how to fix it, would it possibly be the antenna acting up?
Hypeonline said:
I just got a used g1 and it only picks up 3g, it dosent switch over to edge it only gets siginal in 3g, i tried to factory reset it, i used the *#*#4636#*#* to switch it to edge no dice, rooted it, ive pretty much done everything i can think of, anybody else have this problem and know how to fix it, would it possibly be the antenna acting up?
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Couple of possibilities;
1) fried amplifier (unlikely),
2) there has to actually be a 2g network within range in order to connect to it... you sure there is one?
yea i know im in 2g range, i had another g1 that never had this issue and when i say no signal its none there is no switch over at all to edge or g, either it 3g or its an X on the bars, i went and to tmo and got a diff sim card still no dice, would the amplifier cause summin like this to happen? ive been around the towers and it works like a charm but i get to far and it drops all service what could it be could it be the spl or something im going to root it again tonight to see if anything changes
Hypeonline said:
yea i know im in 2g range, i had another g1 that never had this issue and when i say no signal its none there is no switch over at all to edge or g, either it 3g or its an X on the bars, i went and to tmo and got a diff sim card still no dice, would the amplifier cause summin like this to happen? ive been around the towers and it works like a charm but i get to far and it drops all service what could it be could it be the spl or something im going to root it again tonight to see if anything changes
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There is ABSOLUTELY NO POINT in "re-rooting" if you already have root. It won't gain you anything. The SPL itself can't affect anything to do with the radio. The RADIO system *could*, but I doubt it is since I've heard of every combination working at least to some degree.
You could try a wipe, installing a fresh ROM, and ensuring that your SPL and RADIO are decent/recent ones.... I suggest you install SPL version 1.33.2003 (which is NOT deathspl), along with radio 2.22.23.02.
SPL 1.33.2003 is fully compatible with the device's stock SPL, which was version 0.95.0000 except that it is a FULL ENGINEERING SPL. There is also a PARTIAL engineering SPL version 0.95.3000 -- it is not nearly as strong as 1.33.2003.
Note that the radio and spl themselves can NOT be "broken". They are either both present/correct or the phone is totally bricked. There is no in-between.
well i have danger SPL, i went from the 26I radio to .23 no dice, a fresh rom (cyanogenmod 6) install, wiped the phone multiple times a day still noting what can be done about this im completely out of ideas and still no dice, if i have to change the boards in the phone, where can i find them and would i have to revert the rooting on the phone to not cause any issues. . Well I got some stuff to work if I switch it over to gsm auto (prl) I get signal in some places but still not fuily work there is no data when I do this tho and I still drop the siginal alot
I figured it out my gsm antenna is damaged on the outside, is there anyway to repair this without chaing the back, and where if i could, get the antenna from?
I have a Sprint tab. I wan't to upgrade to gingerbread, and I don't care about CDMA service, but I have to have wifi. GPS would be preferred but I can live without it. It would also be nice if it wasn't a brick afterwards.
What are my options? Can I just flash Overcome without a modem file? Is there some sort of null modem file I can flash? Is there a different ROM or kernel I should use?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1020167
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I have a Sprint tab. I wan't to upgrade to gingerbread, and I don't care about CDMA service, but I have to have wifi. GPS would be preferred but I can live without it. It would also be nice if it wasn't a brick afterwards.
What are my options? Can I just flash Overcome without a modem file? Is there some sort of null modem file I can flash? Is there a different ROM or kernel I should use?
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Also very interested in this.
I recently put quite a bit of effort into getting GB to run on my Sprint tab. I use WIFI only so I was not concerned with a working CDMA radio. I attempted to flash the European GSM firmware to my device. I tried flashing the kernel and system only, leaving the CDMA radio file intact. I also tried flashing several GSM radio files to the device. In the end I was unsuccessful, and it took several hours to recover the device to an operational state.
If you WERE to get GSM GB working, there is a good chance that GPS and BT wouldn't function. That's kind of a deal breaker for me.
tldr; Sprint users are screwed until the official release of GB because the Overcome team doesn't care about us and the only guy who seems to know how to work the CDMA is making a crappy honeycomb build instead.
IMHO other devs should make a version of the ROM with all data taken out because it'll work for Sprint users and GSM users who tether instead of paying out the rear for a data plan on their tab.
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tonman23: Thanks, but i was looking for gingerbread, not honeycomb. It's great that spacemoose can prove it in concept, but I don't like the honeycomb interface, and I'm not interested in flashing a half broken version of it to my phone. I want a stable gingerbread build for the improved performance and minor UI features.
etvaugha: BT & GPS are handled by chips completely independent of the modem. I can't post a link because I'm still new here but the ifixit galaxy tab teardown shows clearly that GSM tabs have distinct BT/WLAN & GPS chips. That's pretty standard fair for android devices, so I doubt they changed it simply for the CDMA models.
It also clearly shows that the modem is a GSM only chip, so the bin files are completely incompatible. The only solution is ROMs that will boot even if the modem isn't working right.
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According the the Overcome 2.0 FAQ, the problem is that the phone won't finish booting if a valid modem.bin is not installed. Apparently the phone waits indefinitely (one user, PFOI, mentioned something about it working after 30 min or so) or crashes during the boot because it doesn't get a proper response from the modem chip.
This could easily be overcome if the devs would compile a WIFI only version of the rom/kernel, that doesn't require or support either modem (CDMA nor GSM). It seems to me that the this would be good for both sides, as the data plans for tabs are a rip off and smart users are going to tether their tabs in a mobile situation anyway. It would also probably be better for battery life considering there'd be one less chip running and less bus activity.
I'd imagine all that would be required is removing the modem initialization during the boot sequence. There might be a need to replace the functions that query the modem's status with static value return statements, but when the tab first boots it reports no service, so it's got an inherent ability to deal with not having network access. All that's needed is a couple little snippets to tell the device it doesn't, and to keep it from trying to get it.
Hi guys (and girls),
I'm going slightly mad trying to figure out a stable setup for my O2X. I have been switching between the latest CM7 nightlies, and MoDaCo FR19. In general, CM7 gives me quite frequent black screens, and FR19 seems quite stable. However, there is one issue that is present in both ROMs.
I am unable to get a stable mobile data connection when I switch from WiFi. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. To get it to work again, it sometimes works to switch to 2G only (and possibly back again). I have tried several different radios recently: 218, 606, and 622, all with the appropriate RIL. The mobile data connection for 218 drops in and out at random without any clear pattern. For the other two radios switching on or off 2G only seems to achieve stable connection. However, it does not actually seem to affect whether I get a 3G or 2G signal. The display can say H or G, even when 2G only is checked. Bluetooth did not work correctly with 606.
To top everything off, the GPS does not seem to behave consistently for a all the different radio versions.
I guess that people have different experience with different radios, so which radio are the guys in Norway using? Do I really have to slog through every released radio and spend the day checking each one of them? Can I expect to find a radio/from combination that blacks to give me a stable GPS and mobile data connectivity, as well as good WiFi?
I know this has been discussed numerous times before, but people never seem to reach any conclusions. I'm just looking for advice on how to proceed to fix my problem.
I'm on cm7 .77 and i honestly havent had a blackscreen since i flashed it (yesterday morning) + battery is good now. For me this is the most stable nightly so ill stick with it for 2 weeks on my holiday )
Edit: bb .502 ril 218(i think) dont have any problems with network switching btw
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kolaf said:
Hi guys (and girls),
Do I really have to slog through every released radio and spend the day checking each one of them?
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You probably have to, yes. This sounds more like a problem with the specific coverage in your area and how the phone interacts with the cell-towers than an actual problem with the phone. You may be in an area with weak signals from several stations, you may be in an area suffering from sudden bursts of noise, there could be a lot of reasons for why this is happening.
First thing I'd try is to upgrade to the latest official firmware (10C - 0622 for Norway), just to have a baseline for comparison. In theory this firwmare (and baseband) has recently been validated by the norwegian carriers, and should have the best chance of success.
Then you should probably do a manual scan (in phone settings) for networks, and pick one manually.
Also try using the INFO menu (*#*#4636#*#*) and see if choosing a specific protocol helps.
If you're still unable to maintain a stable connection, I'd say that'd be grounds for returning the phone for a replacement.
Weak advice, I know, sometimes there just aren't any quick solutions.
::Trym
TrymHansen said:
First thing I'd try is to upgrade to the latest official firmware (10C - 0622 for Norway), just to have a baseline for comparison. In theory this firwmare (and baseband) has recently been validated by the norwegian carriers, and should have the best chance of success.
::Trym
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Thanks for your reply. Do you by any chance have a link to the firmware?
kolaf said:
Thanks for your reply. Do you by any chance have a link to the firmware?
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Sort of. In this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1035041 you'll find complete ROMs of the previous versions. Install one of those with SmartFlash, then run the LG Mobile Update tool to get the latest.
::Trym
Okay, I see, downloading now. So it is good enough to use one of the smartflash files, I don't have to use nvflash?
kolaf said:
Okay, I see, downloading now. So it is good enough to use one of the smartflash files, I don't have to use nvflash?
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No, you don't have to use NVFlash. The advantage of using the smartflash method is that you get a completely "factory fresh" phone, with all the stock content present (movies, music, pre-installed apps) and you're sure to get a matching baseband and ROM.
Note that you have to flash both files, both the baseband and the ROM. The LG update tool won't update if you have a "new" baseband on an old ROM.
::Trym
So the firmwares from that post do not include the baseband? Anyway, I'm currently running baseband 405, so I guess this is sufficient to get the new update. And the new update will then overwrite everything to the latest official version, both ROM and baseband, correct?
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So the firmwares from that post do not include the baseband? Anyway, I'm currently running baseband 405, so I guess this is sufficient to get the new update. And the new update will then overwrite everything to the latest official version, both ROM and baseband, correct?
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Yes, it does. Each firmware pack comes with TWO files, the baseband and the ROM. To make sure you avoid any trouble, just flash them both, though, as you say, you can probably stay on the one you have, as yes, the LG Mobile Update tool will overwrite both the baseband and the ROM with the new versions.
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Flashing of old firmware, with subsequent upgrade to latest release for Norway is complete.
I got version V10c, with baseband 1035.21_20110622, kernel 2.6.32.9. My mobile data seems to be enabled as soon as I get mobile coverage (which admittedly is poor right where I live). Even though it pains me, I guess I should leave it as stock for a day or so to see how it behaves.
I guess rooting it shouldn't affect performance in any way?
My initial experience is that it is much more snappy than the stock firmware that the phone came with, but time will show
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Flashing of old firmware, with subsequent upgrade to latest release for Norway is complete.
I got version V10c, with baseband 1035.21_20110622, kernel 2.6.32.9. My mobile data seems to be enabled as soon as I get mobile coverage (which admittedly is poor right where I live). Even though it pains me, I guess I should leave it as stock for a day or so to see how it behaves.
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Yeah, you probably should, as your mission right now is to find out whether you can get a stable mobile data connection or not.
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I guess rooting it shouldn't affect performance in any way?
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Not to my knowledge, but I'd still advise you to wait a few days while sorting out the connection issue. Not that I think rooting it would affect that one way or another, but if you can't get it work as it is, you can return the phone in the state it is now, factory fresh.
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My initial experience is that it is much more snappy than the stock firmware that the phone came with, but time will show
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It certainly is. It also *stays* snappy over time, which can't be said for the 10a/b versions.
::Trym
The first test drive with the new firmware has been completed. On the way out it switched to mobile data flawlessly, but a longer drive it started falling out and reappearing for only short periods. When we stopped at the destination seemed to stabilise with a 3G connection again.
For the return trip I selected use only 2G network. The network connection remained stable for the entire journey.
I will have to test more, but the conclusion seems to be that it has trouble switching between the 2G and 3G networks when moving. I will try the same trip with a Telenor SIM card, and with different combinations of enabling 2G and 3G modes.
By the way, what is the difference between forcing 2G in the regular settings menu and in the special information menu?
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I will have to test more, but the conclusion seems to be that it has trouble switching between the 2G and 3G networks when moving. I will try the same trip with a Telenor SIM card, and with different combinations of enabling 2G and 3G modes.
By the way, what is the difference between forcing 2G in the regular settings menu and in the special information menu?
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The 2G only setting in the phone menu equals the "GSM only" setting in the INFO-menu. I'm far from an expert in these matters, this thread has an overview: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=675136& of what the different modes do.
::Trym
More testing seems to indicate that as long as i leave "use 2G only" check, my mobile data connection seems to be pretty stable. It even switches between 2G and 3G, although apparently a bit more conservatively.
I guess I get to keep my phone anyway
Now for some rooting...
Just an update on the results from my testing. The second time I went out my mobile connection never appeared. This was with only 2G checked in the settings menu. In the Info menu, this corresponded to GSM only.
I then changed it to GSM auto (PRL), and then I got my intermittent mobile data again. I then change it to WCDMA preferred, and my data connection seems to be stable for now. This apparently requires much more testing...
F another chapter in the connectivity saga. Having WCDMA preferred selected in the Info menu, things mostly work, although the data connection drops sometimes.
Another problem I'm noticing with the stock ROM is that it usually is unable to reconnect to my home WiFi network when it comes within range. I have the money was selected to reconnect. Sometimes I even find it disabled in the list.