I have a 2GB MicroSD card. What can I use with one this small for rooting this thing? I know I should not use it to boot Honeycomb or Froyo. But would it be adequate to use when rooting with Auto Nooter or as a restore image or for CWM or anything else?
Yes, you can use it for auto-nooter, etc. I have been using a 2GB card for the last month, and while it does fill up fast (especially with multiple nandroid backups), it is perfectly usable for the "easier" tasks on the NC. I use it for nandroid backups, Titanium Backup, and storing ePub books. Each of my nandroid's takes about 500MB, and I have 2 of them, so that's half the card's space right there (at about 1GB). Add on all the rest and I have about 500MB free.
Like I said, it fills up fast, but is adequate. I just picked up a 16GB card last weekend for the "fun" stuff, like HC, CM7, etc.
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I have a 8gb class 4 card. Been using it for over a year. I've just noticed lately that sometimes I bring up all the apps on the phone and I see some loading up. Maybe its due to the class 4...so I've been thinking of getting rid of A2SD. Just formatting the card and leaving it as is. No Fat32, linux-swap or ext3. Would that be an issue running Cyanogen 5.0.7 Test 3?
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I have a 8gb class 4 card. Been using it for over a year. I've just noticed lately that sometimes I bring up all the apps on the phone and I see some loading up. Maybe its due to the class 4...so I've been thinking of getting rid of A2SD. Just formatting the card and leaving it as is. No Fat32, linux-swap or ext3. Would that be an issue running Cyanogen 5.0.7 Test 3?
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Do some research, half of this post makes no sense. Fat32 will just have to exist if you want any music, files, etc. Swap can be enabled/disabled. And you can move apps to and from SD and Internal whenever you'd like through application settings on the new CM rom.
Seeing apps loading in the app drawer is most likely based on your class 4 card. If your apps will have no problem fitting on your internal storage then there is really no reason for you to have apps2sd enabled. If you have no intention of going over your internal storage with your apps then I agree with your assessment and opinion of getting rid of apps2sd.
Use the option in CM rom to move the apps you have to the internal storage and reformat your sd card to have one partition for FAT32 so you can use if for storage and be done with it.
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I have a 8gb class 4 card. Been using it for over a year. I've just noticed lately that sometimes I bring up all the apps on the phone and I see some loading up. Maybe its due to the class 4...so I've been thinking of getting rid of A2SD. Just formatting the card and leaving it as is. No Fat32, linux-swap or ext3. Would that be an issue running Cyanogen 5.0.7 Test 3?
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Seeing the applications filling in to the app drawer is a function of having a LOT of applications installed. It takes time for each application to process and get added. It would be the same on internal if you had enough space to install that many applications.
Of course a C6 sdcard would be faster than your C4.
Note: The secondary benefit to having applications on the sdcard is BANDWIDTH. Each storage device is capable of transferring data as some maximum speed. Distributing reads/writes across two devices can produce a peak bandwidth equal to the SUM of the bandwidths of the individual devices. To take proper advantage of this would, however, require that you carefully BALANCE the location of the various bits of data you are accessing such that it actually WILL try to access data from the two locations simultaneously.
Unless I'm misunderstanding...It's true that mounting your SD card in Froyo with apps installed to the FAT32 partition means that your phone can't access applications on that FAT32 partition right?
Yeah, you're right. That's why Google doesn't support having Widgets, keyboards, and other always running services on the SD card. Its a trade off, but a sensible one I think. Having two volumes on the SD card is likely to confuse inexperienced users. Also they need to decide ahead of time how much space to reserve for apps on the sdcard. Too much and they can run out of room for their other data, not enough and they are right back to the old problem of no room for apps.
Anyway, there's no reason you need all your apps on your sdcard. As long as you can put your big apps like games and Google earth on SD you should have plenty of room for other stuff on internal memory.
No, you're not the only one who likes it.
I sure hope that ROM creators leave the option of using old Apps2SD.
That is the only reason I switched back to 2.1
Only had the NC for a couple days. However, after some searching I'm still at a loss over this issue. I apologize if this is a well know issue that I've glossed over somehow. I used AutoNooter 2.12.18 on 12/23 after applying the 1.0.1 update. I assume this typical behavior unless something went wrong. Everything would be appear to be fine otherwise.
Why do apps like DropBox, Awesome Drop etc ignore the internal storage option?
Is there any known workaround to get these apps to use the internal storage?
Is purchasing an External MicroSD card the only way to make these apps work?
DId you let the nook format the DS card after rooting?
edit: Thought you had an SD card installed. I thought there was only 5gb of usable storage. At least when going to settings that is all I have ever seen even on a stock nc.
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Only had the NC for a couple days. However, after some searching I'm still at a loss over this issue. I apologize if this is a well know issue that I've glossed over somehow. I used AutoNooter 2.12.18 on 12/23 after applying the 1.0.1 update. I assume this typical behavior unless something went wrong. Everything would be appear to be fine otherwise.
Why do apps like DropBox, Awesome Drop etc ignore the internal storage option?
Is there any known workaround to get these apps to use the internal storage?
Is purchasing an External MicroSD card the only way to make these apps work?
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Unfrotunately, i cannot help too much with the drop box question, i but i can give some insight on the internal storage.
There is an 8GB chip, but it is partitioned in a few ways. There is a 5GB partition that is user accessible and is what you see when you connect the computer to the nook. TO the system however, this is the /media folder (using astro explorer, you can see this; navigate to the top directory, and if you open the /media folder, you will see what normally mounts on your computer).
Now, we also have an abnormally large /data partition - 1GB infact. We can install a huge number of apps. /system has 450mb and cache has 350mb - bringing us close to the formatted 8GB internal chip.
So, stepping back to your question - if you can point Dropbox (or the like) at a specific folder, point it to /media, and you will have your 5GB of storage.
That all makes sense now. It's how the partitions are setup on the internal storage that's throwing the apps off. That also explains another question I had why Astro initially showed nothing until I navigated elsewhere.
This is essentially the final thing I'm wondering in this Nook HD(+) development world. It seems that the two main options are opening up the stock Nook by enabling the Play store and all the benefits that go with that or CM10 which is essentially turning your Nook in to a Jellybean device.
For me, the clear winner is rooting Stock. For one, I have an HD which means 8gb of storage. I really don't want to tie up my Micro sd slot with an operating system. Also, it's nice to be able to get back to the Nook screen simply as I think its default library function is great for books.
I know CM10 is very popular, and since I am still figuring it out I'd love to hear which method people are using and why.
For me, so far, rooted is better. However, CM is quite feature rich, and once completely stable I suspect I might switch over. I'm interested in more file systems and overclocking for instance.
I've used both to date, and everything you can do on stock+ you can do in CM, except the built in reader (although the Play version is very close) and the app drawer widget. Profiles are nicely implemented on stock too, so that might be important for some family uses.
As for the internal memory, you can get to that now with CM10. And SD cards are fast enough you don't notice any lag. Also, with stock there's always the chance you'll bork something in /system and enter the bootloop issue without a CWM recovery nearby...
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For me, so far, rooted is better. However, CM is quite feature rich, and once completely stable I suspect I might switch over. I'm interested in more file systems and overclocking for instance.
I've used both to date, and everything you can do on stock+ you can do in CM, except the built in reader (although the Play version is very close) and the app drawer widget. Profiles are nicely implemented on stock too, so that might be important for some family uses.
As for the internal memory, you can get to that now with CM10. And SD cards are fast enough you don't notice any lag. Also, with stock there's always the chance you'll bork something in /system and enter the bootloop issue without a CWM recovery nearby...
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Great points all around. What do you mean that I can "get to internal memory on CM10"?
My goal would be to be able to use the portion of an SD card that's not tied up with CM10 as EXternal memory.
I haven't played much with CM10 as it runs poorly from my SD card.
One more thing to note, stock+ isn't recognized by android file manager. I'll have to see if CM10 is.
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Great points all around. What do you mean that I can "get to internal memory on CM10"?
My goal would be to be able to use the portion of an SD card that's not tied up with CM10 as EXternal memory.
I haven't played much with CM10 as it runs poorly from my SD card.
One more thing to note, stock+ isn't recognized by android file manager. I'll have to see if CM10 is.
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My take on the situation is that rooted stock is nice (ESP the reader app), but it will not run everything. One case in point, Google Voice. I use it for free texting over wifi. It will not run on rooted stock.
And what he meant about get into internal memory is the media partition (called sdcard in stock) shows up as emmc media storage in CM10.
And what you want is already implemented in CM10. It partitions what it does not need for itself to operate and makes it available for sdcard media. It usually reserves about 3GB for itself and makes the rest of the card available as media space for CM10 use. And it is possible to have stock see that too with the right modifications to stock configuration. But it does you no good since you cannot boot to stock with the CM10 SD in the slot anyway.
What is stock+ that you want recognized? And what is android file manager?
Sent from my Nook HD+ Running CM10 on SD
I have a short brief on CM10, and here is my take.
both:
have bugs, some apps working well on one but not another.
CM10:
More freedom, a lot more apps open up and works, and no need to worry about apps that mess with /system.
You lose some sd spaces, and inability to swap sd.
stock:
Required a lot of mod just to get 80-90% of what you can do with cm10
sd card swapable
doesn't work with cm10 sd card, I guess it can but you do need to mod.
Most of the pros and cons have been covered above and my experience is that both can get you to the features most important to you one way or another so it comes down to personal preferences and usage patterns.
For me, the difference came down to keeping stock clean and getting CM10 separate on an SD card. I can pop the SD card out and use my Nook in BN store or sell it without any issues. I did plenty of rooting and re-imaging on my Nook Color before this and I could never get it to a clean factory state again. Even when I cleaned everything and installed stock, Cyanogen logo would still show up on boot.
With my Nook HD I decided to keep the stock image clean.
I'd like to add on CM10, I haven't been able to transfer any programs to the internal sd. Used titanium backup and the os option for it. No go. If anyone knows a way let me know but I had an easier time installing everything with my rooted Nook HD than on CM10.
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I'd like to add on CM10, I haven't been able to transfer any programs to the internal sd. Used titanium backup and the os option for it. No go. If anyone knows a way let me know but I had an easier time installing everything with my rooted Nook HD than on CM10.
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I don't think that option is available for any device to move an app to internal SD. They always have to be an external SD (apps2SD). And you can install them to the external SD with CM10. So I don't know what you mean by easier on rooted stock.
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I don't think that option is available for any device to move an app to internal SD. They always have to be an external SD (apps2SD). And you can install them to the external SD with CM10. So I don't know what you mean by easier on rooted stock.
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I meant to external SD. I tried the moving to SD options on both titanium pro and within the is and it doesn't do it despite saying that it does. I am stuck on the 2gb partition that cm gives me.
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I meant to external SD. I tried the moving to SD options on both titanium pro and within the is and it doesn't do it despite saying that it does. I am stuck on the 2gb partition that cm gives me.
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How do you know it does not do it? Mine does. I used the settings/app to do it. They are no longer in /data/app they are in /mnt/asec which is the new way of storing on SD.
And 2GB is not enough? You must have a lot of very large apps.
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I'd go for rooting the stock. CM10 works great but its reader lacks the funtion of Nook's original. I read a lot of PDF textbooks and there's just no good PDF reader, yes, szpdf included that can render as fast and stably as Nook's, not to mention the built in dictionary function.
In my experience, the stock PDF reader falls way short in zooming department. If you use ezPDF, you can double tap the text and it zooms the text perfectly cutting off the margins. Stock does something random altogether. That is a small problem though. Bigger problem is that you have to repeat zooming on each page. ezPDF remembers your zoom and then you can easily go through the rest of your PDF at the same zoom setting. This allows me to read a lot of my PDF's in portrait mode. If you use landscape then you don't really need zooming but it does come in handy.
And for my PDF's I have not noticed a speed difference between stock and ezPDF.
Also, I did not know there was a dictionary in the stock PDF reader app. I will have to try it sometime.
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stock is better in my opinion. I just bought a Nook HD like a week ago and compared to other android devices, it seems faster. I got it rooted and everything and i started thinking about CM 10. I have CM 10.1 on my Samsung Fascinate, and I love the features but its always got a very low battery life and I also did not know how to unbrick a Nook. I read many comments about CM 10/10.1 for Nook HD and the battery life was an issue. So in conclusion I decided to stay on stock with root and GApps and all.
Sigh, this is exactly what I was worried about when upgrading from my EVO 3D.
I noticed my new M8 has a sdcard0 and extsdcard folder. And of course, the apps and games which download hundreds of megs of data in order to run are downloading to the 24 gig internal sdcard0 mount point instead of the nearly empty 64gig extsdcard0 mountpoint. I really REALLY hate how so many Android phones seem to do this, why can't it just be partitioned as internal instead of faking a sdcard, thus making large apps install to internal with no option of installing to the actual external card?
Anyway, without rooting my phone, is there any way I can somehow set it so apps download and install their data to the actual SD card? The whole reason I didn't get the M7 was because I don't want my data to be stuck on the phone's internal memory in case anything happens, as well as to not waste internal memory space on several hundred megs or even gigs of data when I can use a large sdcard for that.
I believe u can go to manage apps and move apps to the sd card. Some may not be able to if it's not comparable but a lot of them should.
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I believe u can go to manage apps and move apps to the sd card. Some may not be able to if it's not comparable but a lot of them should.
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I tried that, it only moves the app executable to the SD card, not the hundreds of megs of additional data it downloaded. The app management screen even tells me how much of this additional data is on the internal memory and how much of it is on the SD card (it's all on internal), but moving the app doesn't move the additional data to the SD card.
One would assume that the ext sd 's bus interface would be quick enough to not bog any app which would be using it. That being the case htc has no excuse for not having interchangeable symbolic mounting points between the two sd's. Ive physcally moved some of the data from app's (dcim, and random music ) directories to the extsd, and at least it unburdens the internal sd.
The apk resource fork in these systems could be processed better in android and it's sdk, or even the runtime.
F yes it sucks.