Honeycomb on Nook is awesome, the work done here is impressive. Congratulations!
I want to try it out, giving a Nook Honeycomb, and use it instead of a Moto Xoom (it's impressive, but I doesn't need the big screen, HDMI, cameras, dual-core CPU...)
what I need is a small tablet so that I can:
# browse and read news etc.
# use Gmail
# watch a few videos (YouTube or files)
# maybe read e-books (Kindle, B&N)
# run various small apps (maybe some games) - from Android Market
And I want:
# 6" or 7" display
# low weight
# long battery life
# WiFi
# 3G through a Bluetooth connection to my phone
# and low cost
Thats not an 800 USD Xoom for that. But a Nook with HoneyComb!
I'm not a developer but a relatively technical user, so I'm not afraid of buying a Nook and try out some stuff.
But I have som questions and would like some input. I may have misunderstood things and I apologize for stupid questions.
First decisions/questions:
1; what is eMMC? I can see that I should choose between SD or EmmC, so this is probably a fairly basic decision.
2; I gather I need to choose which port of Honeycomb to use. Right? (I have listed a few below).
3; it appears to be possible to either boot Android Honeycomb from the SD-card. Does that mean I can use the Nook as it was delivered if the SD card isn't present?
4; Is there any other basic decisions I need to take?
There's lots of posts here, and I've been reading back and forth, and from what I see this is what I need:
# get a Nook
# get a microSD card. Is there any recommendations?
# get a Honeycomb image/build. Could be:
-http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=936995 by deeper-blue
-http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=925451 by dalingrin
-http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=954902 by phiredrop
# overclock the Nook to 1 or 1.1 GHz
# Disabling B&N OTA updates (or is this done automatically?)
# Dualboot?
# Installing various apps
# Network using Bluetooth - how?
Is this too deep water for me or should I plunge in?!
I personally think that you should dive in. Now first emmc is the name of the nooks internal memory.
I would recommend buying one and first using a micro SD to boot honeycomb and decide if you want to run it. It's a great port and great os but its not prime time yet on the nook.. I use it only, and even with its faults it is too 'tablet friendly' for me to switch.
YouTube is tricky at best. Ill let someone with more experience post about it. In my experience it's not real reliable for some reason
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I love my nook color, and it has a bright future. But u mentioned you wanted 3g and Bluetooth. Those are not available as of yet on nook color. I'm not sure if it has those internal components or not.
But it is a very capable device. Mine is setup comparable to the galaxy tab I would say, after rooting it and adding a custom rom.
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Thanks for the answers so far!
I can live without 3G/BlueTooth.
And I can live without YouTube. That will probably fixed along the way.
Is the current Honeycomb builds based on a prerelease SDK or is considered a final release?
Caspar07 said:
Thanks for the answers so far!
I can live without 3G/BlueTooth.
And I can live without YouTube. That will probably fixed along the way.
Is the current Honeycomb builds based on a prerelease SDK or is considered a final release?
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You can't use bluetooth for data, but you could certainly tether your nook to your smartphone. That's what I plan to do when I find myself without a wireless connection.
EDIT: Oh and you could visit the actual youtube website if you have flash installed (on a 2.2 or higher ROM).
Definately dive in. Buy a few microSD cards. Start by rooting the stock firmware and play with a launcher and the market. It's the most stable.
Install Honeycomb on an SD card and boot it. It's not bad but will be much improved in the next few weeks.
No bluetooth yet but you can wifi tether to your phone if your phone supports it.
BanditRider said:
Start by rooting the stock firmware and play with a launcher and the market. It's the most stable.
Install Honeycomb on an SD card and boot it. It's not bad but will be much improved in the next few weeks.
No bluetooth yet but you can wifi tether to your phone if your phone supports it.
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"Rooting stock firmware"?
Does that mean sort of copying the firmware, so You can restore later?
Again: good replies, much appreciated
To get you started.
At $250, the Nook Color sucks as an eReader. But as an android tablet, its the best purchase you could make. Nothing else comes close. Some notes on your comments.
1. The Nook Color(NC) has a boot priority to the microSD card, making it nearly impossible to 'brick.' I'd reccommend having two sd cards. A good class 10 one for your daily use, and a cheap 1gb one to keep a copy of clockwork recovery for quick repairs.
2. The bluetooth doesn't work, even though the device has the hardware. At this point, there is no speculation of it working in the forseeable future. HOWEVER, it works great using the WiFi hotspot on my HTC evo.
3. The device will run android 2.1 (eclair), 2.2 (froyo), 2.3 (gingerbread), and 3.0 (Honeycomb). All four have their issues. I've tested them all thoroughly, and prefer the standard 2.1 (also called stock NC) build for its stability. Feel free to try them all.
IF YOU SHOULD BUY ONE:
Instructions to root
Instructions to build a recovery SD card
Instructions on how to make root stock NC work well for you
Remember these links. They'll save you the hours of time I lost.
YouTube and Flash work perfectly for me on the 2.2 phiremod beta2 rom. I would say it is pretty stable. But if one is new to root they should just get used to rooting first. We are also over at androidtablets if you need help http://www.androidtablets.net/forum/nook/
The above link for rooting seems broken. Here is the NookDevs links http://nookdevs.com/NookColor_Rooting *edit nevermind it's working sorry
Thank you
I've not yet done any recover steps after auto nootering a few weeks ago. This is going to help me go do these steps this weekend.
Tethering is going to be something i need come summer vacation where there's no connection any place, i have the MOTO Droid, and PDANet, so i'll try that some day soon, see if it holds up.
admiralnorman said:
At $250, the Nook Color sucks as an eReader. But as an android tablet, its the best purchase you could make. Nothing else comes close. Some notes on your comments.
1. The Nook Color(NC) has a boot priority to the microSD card, making it nearly impossible to 'brick.' I'd reccommend having two sd cards. A good class 10 one for your daily use, and a cheap 1gb one to keep a copy of clockwork recovery for quick repairs.
2. The bluetooth doesn't work, even though the device has the hardware. At this point, there is no speculation of it working in the forseeable future. HOWEVER, it works great using the WiFi hotspot on my HTC evo.
3. The device will run android 2.1 (eclair), 2.2 (froyo), 2.3 (gingerbread), and 3.0 (Honeycomb). All four have their issues. I've tested them all thoroughly, and prefer the standard 2.1 (also called stock NC) build for its stability. Feel free to try them all.
IF YOU SHOULD BUY ONE:
Instructions to root
Instructions to build a recovery SD card
Instructions on how to make root stock NC work well for you
Remember these links. They'll save you the hours of time I lost.
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You need to use an Adhoc method to tether droid to autonootered nook I believe. It doesn't work as is right off the bat with a 2.1 nook color and droid1.
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....But I have som questions and would like some input. I may have misunderstood things and I apologize for stupid questions.
First decisions/questions:
1; what is eMMC? I can see that I should choose between SD or EmmC, so this is probably a fairly basic decision.
2; I gather I need to choose which port of Honeycomb to use. Right? (I have listed a few below).
3; it appears to be possible to either boot Android Honeycomb from the SD-card. Does that mean I can use the Nook as it was delivered if the SD card isn't present?
4; Is there any other basic decisions I need to take?
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I was in the same boat... wanted a tablet to do pretty much what you are looking for... after reading the threads here, I got a Nookcolor...
1.. eMMC is the Nook's internal memory, where its current/stock B&N OS and apps are stored and run from. If you wanted to use a "custom rom" like Froyo, Gingerbread, Honeycomb, you could install it to eMMC, overwriting the stock B&N stuff... BUT you don't have to.
2. Right now, the honeycomb ports out there are based on the Pre-Release SDK (software dev kit), and made to work on an actual device, i.e. the NookColor. Because of this, it has some limits and bugs. The best HC Ports will come once HC goes AOSP (hopefully soon since the XOOM, which uses HC, is now for sale).
3. The NookColor is setup to try and boot from MicroSD card first, and if no OS on MicroSD, then boot off the eMMC. So, you could load up a card with another OS, play with it, and NOT TOUCH the stock B&N stuff... just pop the card in when you want to boot the other OS, and pop it out when you want to go "stock" (that is what I'm doing now).
This also means you can make up a MicroSD card strictly for the purpose of recovering/reloading the OS on your NookColor if something goes wrong when trying to install an alternate OS to the eMMC. (i.e. helps you "unbrick" your device).
Note: when getting a MicroSD card to boot an alternate OS from, its generally better to get a higher class card as they are usually faster (means the OS runs faster/smoother). But some of the lessor known brands often don't live up to their class ratings. And there have been issues with some people getting certain Class 10 (fastest) 16gig cards, so you'll have to do some home work, searching and reading the threads to decide on which card to buy.
4. You have many choices to make. Do you want to run stock B&N os/firmware (Eclair/2.1) as is out of the box? Do you want to root the stock OS and add your own apps? Do you want to try one of the Froyo (2.2), Gingerbread (2.3, the CM7 builds) or Honeycomb (3.0) ports and do you want to run them from MicroSD (slower) or eMMC (faster)?
While Wifi works with each Froyo and HC build I've tried, Bluetooth doesn't work with any of them.
Each port of Froyo, Gingerbread and HC has its own positives and negatives, so you have to investigate and figure out which one works best for you as a daily driver.
Me, I left the stock B&N NookColor OS and Apps untouched, and loaded up one MicroSD (Sandisk 8G class4) with Froyo following this thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=922324
And I loaded up another MicroSD card using the HC Preview v4, but it didn't meet my needs, so I'm waiting on the AOSP of HC to try again.
admiralnorman said:
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3. The device will run android 2.1 (eclair), 2.2 (froyo), 2.3 (gingerbread), and 3.0 (Honeycomb). All four have their issues. I've tested them all thoroughly, and prefer the standard 2.1 (also called stock NC) build for its stability. Feel free to try them all.
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Remember these links. They'll save you the hours of time I lost.
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Great help - thanks.
Still one question:
Is lack of stability in Honeycomb due to the fact that it's still early and very new, or is it due to incompatible hardware?
This is getting increasingly interesting
Caspar07 said:
Great help - thanks.
Still one question:
Is lack of stability in Honeycomb due to the fact that it's still early and very new, or is it due to incompatible hardware?
This is getting increasingly interesting
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Not really. Its kind of a developer's platform. So its made to run on a generic android device. As the programmer type people around here play with it, it gets better and better.
Sent from my HTC Evo 4g using XDA App
KidJoe said:
I was in the same boat... wanted a tablet to do pretty much what you are looking for... after reading the threads here, I got a Nookcolor...
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And I loaded up another MicroSD card using the HC Preview v4, but it didn't meet my needs, so I'm waiting on the AOSP of HC to try again.
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Thanks for the lengthy answer. That was a helpful explanation.
Caspar07 said:
Great help - thanks.
Still one question:
Is lack of stability in Honeycomb due to the fact that it's still early and very new, or is it due to incompatible hardware?
This is getting increasingly interesting
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The devs currently do not have the Honeycomb source. What exists now has been pieced together from the emulator and is glitchy. Once they have the source (which should be soon as the XOOM is out now) we should begin to see improvements in HC roms.
Also, please recognize that not everyone has stability issues. I've been running the initial version of Sam's "flashable" Deeper Bulue image for 2 weeks, and don't have any stability issues.
It really depends on what apps you want to run. I have market working fine, with lots of apps downloaded. I did the ADHOC tweak early on, and can connect to wireless networks pretty much at will.
I read quite a bit, and spend a lot of "nook time" using it as an eReadr. I've worked my way through a number of books using the B&B Reader, Kindle, and Aldiko without any issues.
It's not a "production" image, but for me it works well.
admiralnorman said:
The bluetooth doesn't work, even though the device has the hardware. At this point, there is no speculation of it working in the forseeable future. HOWEVER, it works great using the WiFi hotspot on my HTC evo.
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Just got an execuse to buy myself a new gadget - a HTC Evo or similar
"Is the Nook Color the right Android tablet for me?"
I think the easiest way to answer this question is by how much you enjoy tinkering with things. If you want a tablet that "just works" then you'll want a Xoom or Galaxy Tab. But if you love playing and learning about how your gadgets work 'under the hood' then the Nook Color will be the best gadget purchase you've made in awhile.
I've honestly spent more time "getting it to work perfectly" than I have actually using it, but I've loved every minute of it. I won't lie, Java and/or Linux experience is a big plus, but by no means necessary.
admiralnorman said:
At $250, the Nook Color sucks as an eReader. But as an android tablet, its the best purchase you could make. Nothing else comes close.
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I just bought a Nook Color about a half hour ago and this post made me feel so much better about it. I've been debating it for some time and decided to take the plunge. I was worried that I might be late to the game but it has only been out for like 3 months.
Can anyone point me in the direction of Honeycomb for the NC? EDIT: Unless someone recommends a better ROM for now?
By the way, my name is Raj and I'll be spending lots of time here!
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Hello fellow members/ xda developers. I was just wondering if the regular nook can be rooted with Android 3.0 honeycomb. I used the search feature and couldn't find any post to answer my question.
I even used Google with no luck. I would greatly appreciate an answer to my question. I have the regular nook wifi.
If so is it the same steps and process with the Nook color? If it is possible would someone please point me in the right direction to attempt it.
Once again your help would be appreciated. I love the site and plan on sticking around for a long time . Thanks for viewing my thread.
seriously? No.
ask yourself, its not a touchscreen device, is it?
kdeguy said:
seriously? No.
ask yourself, its not a touchscreen device, is it?
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gezz I was just asking... Mr sarcastic.
You could but I won't say how. Why would you'd want to though? The current version of HC is an incomplete OS preview. I'd never even consider making this my primary OS until a non preview was available on the NC. Why? It's like taking an awesome device and subjecting it to reduced functionality mode. It'd be much better to just run it from a 16GB class 10 MicroSD card for $40 at newegg.com (optionally using the recently released HC OC v3 Kernel) if you're after more speed from the filesystem / CPU. That way you'd leave the all the existing functionality intact.
BOTTOMLINE: Leave the the internal eMMC alone, run Froyo and NC from their own cards. Don't use slow class cards and you should be fine.
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You could but I won't say how. Why would you'd want to though? The current version of HC is an incomplete OS preview. I'd never even consider making this my primary OS until a non preview was available on the NC. Why? It's like taking an awesome device and subjecting it to reduced functionality mode. It'd be much better to just run it from a 16GB class 10 MicroSD card for $40 at newegg.com (optionally using the recently released HC OC v3 Kernel) if you're after more speed from the filesystem / CPU. That way you'd leave the all the existing functionality intact.
BOTTOMLINE: Leave the the internal eMMC alone, run Froyo and NC from their own cards. Don't use slow class cards and you should be fine.
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He was asking about the original nook if I am reading the post correctly, not the nook color.
Anyway, what good would having Android be on the original nook? Honestly, if you think about it, with a refresh rate of that of eInk, doing anything would be a headache. Just imagine to play Angry Birds. Which brings me to the next point. Android would be really hard to navigate with out the screen being a touch screen. Could the OS be ported? I'm sure it could. Why isn't it ported? What good would it do without being able to navigate?
What would be cool is a linux build that lets you do other things. Again, it still suffers from the refresh rate issues, however it would be cool to have extra functionality, maybe a few games, and support for some more formats. But now I'm just ranting. haha.
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He was asking about the original nook if I am reading the post correctly, not the nook color.
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That did cross my mind but then I thought who would want to use a non touchscreen device with HC. So, then I thought that the OP's use of "regular" might have meant "stock". That wasn't the case so please ignore my post then.
Ok, here's the deal.
Fiancee got me a NC for my birthday because she read that it can be rooted and made into a formidable tablet. I agree with her and am stoked.
I don't have any dev experience, but I'm very familiar with rooting and flashing ROMs to our EVO 4Gs.
However, after reading through the developmental forum, I'm confused as to what steps I need to follow to turn my NC into a CM7 tablet.
Do I run autonooter? (The B&N store updated my NC to the 1.1.0 software yesterday in-store) Which one? Do I run it first?
After that, how do I flash CM7? Is there a more stable system\ROM\build?
With dealing with SD cards, I know this will be a bit against the grain for me because Rooting\Flashing the EVO is so easy and simple.
Any and all help will be appreciated.
(Side note question: Has anyone used a Steinheil Screen Protector on their nook? I see that SGP makes one for the Galaxy Tab, which has similar dimensions as the NC. Anyone?)
This seems like easiest to follow:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9816724&postcount=64
kapurcell said:
This seems like easiest to follow:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9816724&postcount=64
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Awesome.
So that "roots" the nook, like SimpleRoot does to my EVO?
And then I go through the process in the CM7 Phiremod post in the Dev forum?
Also - should I go buy a second MicroSD card to use, leaving the current one in the nook as a clean backup?
It's useful to have multiple microSD. I have a couple 2GB microSD for nootering and flashing new rom. I use a 16GB for main use as backup and data storage.
If you're new to Android, I recommend just nootering your stock 1.1 NC because it's most stable. Froyo, Honeycomb, and Gingerbread built are still in development and are being tested.
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I'm not new to Android, as I've been using various CyanogenMod and MIUI builds on my EVO since I bought it last year.
What I am new to is the use of SD cards for flashing. That's where I'm a bit shaky on the steps.
Before you can get a good answer we need more infromation.
1) do you care about the B&N stuff that your Nook came with?
2) what is your goal?
a) e-reader that can do tablet functions
b) Tablet that can do e-reader functions
Do you want to run the alt OS from the SDcard or from the flash memory?
So far there are 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, and 3.0 ROMS for the Nook. Where do you want to be?
painter_ said:
Before you can get a good answer we need more infromation.
1) do you care about the B&N stuff that your Nook came with? - Not really. As long as I have a way to read books that I get off demonoid.
2) what is your goal?
a) e-reader that can do tablet functions
b) Tablet that can do e-reader functions Preferably this.
Do you want to run the alt OS from the SDcard or from the flash memory?
So far there are 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, and 3.0 ROMS for the Nook. Where do you want to be?Are there advantages\disadvantages? Which is the most stable solution to rooting\flashing? I have CM7 on my EVO now, though I'll probably be switching over to the latest MIUI later tonight. I wouldn't mind something similar to CM7 on my NC.
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Does the above help at all?
Bump for some help. Thanks guys.
I've only been a NC owner for a week. From my experience, you need to play a bit. Usual disclaimers apply:
1. spend time playing with the default B&N config. Enjoy. Ok, for me that got boring after about 1 hour.
2. Autonooter 3.0 (since you are on 1.1.0). Then just play with your rooted NC. Enjoy. I was amazed at what this little guy could do after only a root. Test a bunch of apps. Read a bunch on this website. Test more apps that you read about. Try different backup software. Get comfortable with Eclair. Run Quadrant. Enjoy.
3. Dahlingren's OC kernel. Make sure you get the Eclair kernel. I installed the 1100 MHz one, and monitored for overheating and random reboots/force closes etc. This one worked well for me, and amazed me again at how much faster it was (run Quadrant again). Get comfortable with the procedure to flash a rom with CWR. Enjoy.
4. CM7 with OC kernel. Play, test, enjoy. If the current bugs are deal breakers, revert back to Eclair, or try Froyo or some other flavour. Enjoy.
It seems to be darn near impossible to brick this guy, so I haven't worried too much. Worst case scenario is I have a $250 paper weight, but the best case has been worth the risk to me.
Enjoy.
I just found out about Honeycomb being ported to the Nook Color and am wondering if I should run to buy one before they change it to prevent rooting.
I like tablets as a form factor but thought prices starting at 500 EUR were out of whack for devices with such limited functionality; at less than 250 EUR they become mightily tempting.
How does the Nook Color hold up as a Honeycomb device? Is it fast enough to handle the OS smoothly? Is the port stable enough for daily use (this is crucial to me, I do not want to be stuck with any non tablet optimized version of Android)? Where can I buy one in Italy? The lack of 3G connectivity or even GPS is not a deal breaker to me at that price.
As of now, Honeycomb kind of sux. It is slow, buggy, lot of applications won't even run (the ones that do are stable) and battery life is very bad. This is my experience.
Developers are doing great job, but if you want something, that is not just a gimmick, you will have to wait until HC is finally released by Google and not just a port from SDK.
Awwwwww
But to answer your original question. Yes, run out and buy one anyways. It's a great device at a great price. Even though HC isn't perfect yet, it is very usable in my opinion, but as another user mentioned some apps don't work currently and I reverted to CM7 for now, which I must say after a few nightly updates is currently working really welll.
If you are ready to get your hands dirty with some rooting, then install the latest CM7 (cyanogenmod) nighty. Go to CM7 Dev discussion thread to learn more. Works like a charm. Best ROM for Nook thus far!
Yeah I agree, I really like it, haven't touched my gtablet since i bought one and rooted it. I like the 7 inch size.
I'm using the NC with Honeycomb and am using it as my daily driver. Most application issues (other than video) have been fixed for me by moving the application to internal storage. For some reason apps are installing to the SD card by default, which is causing most of the problems.
I also use the eReader.com software since I'd already bought a ton of books long before B&N ever thought of buying them up. The only time I got an error with that app was when I set the app to NOT do animations when changing pages.
As to your origional questions, the NC boots with the SD Card first and then to internal memory. Without changing the hardware, there is no way that B&N can stop us from these mods. So now or later doesn't really figure into it.
That said, I think you should get one as soon as possible! lol... I love mine! I use it over my Sansung Tab due to it's form factor and solidness. With the 1.1GHz overclocked kernel it is a really nice unit. Most emmc distros of Honeycomb already include the 1.1 kernel so install is a breeze!
I can't help you with the whole Italy thing... But wish you luck!
Hi, I’ve been using my nook color sin January with rooted éclair running in it, and I’ve been wondering about if I should switch to another of the alternative ROMs available; this is my first Android device and I’m really pleased with it, and some of the terms used on this forums are really new to me, so my question is Should I stay with éclair or move to another versions available?
PS. I’m currently living in Mexico so the fact of losing the B&N store app wouldn’t be an issue for me.
Only you can evaluate what you need.
For me, I stay with rooted eclair (1.1). The only thing it's really missing is Flash, which I don't need. (QQ player actually lets me play sideloaded flv files) Ultra keyboard gives me cursor keys and copy/paste. I have Nookie Froyo on SD card, but so far it hasn' t seemed worth changing.
oh flash would be a great plus, but can you read the internal storage of the Nook when running Nookie Froyo?
Sorry, can't help on that; I've never tried.
Honeycomb is cool so far. Try it..
I've had great success with phiremod v4 CM7 rom(gingerbread). I've also used the Froyo 6.8 and honeycomb v4 2nd edition roms. Froyo was nice, but it kind of seems that development is winding down for it, in favor of CM7 and Honeycomb. Honeycomb was also cool, but leaves soooo much to be desired. At the moment few apps and games will run on it.
Just as a tip. Before you go and start flashing new roms, read the respective development forum threads. Nook Devs is nice, but their site is lacking alot of info currently on the development forum.
Best of luck, and get away from that stock B&N grossness.
I would recommend test driving the Nook Froyo 0.6.8 microSD card version (check NC development area).
I highly recommend you get a Class 6 microsd card and get SetCPU from the Market to overclock to 1.1 MHz. While you can use a Class 4 card to test, the Class 6 has become my daily tablet configuration (and I have the ability to go back to 1.1 eclair if I want).
Froyo has flash and better video than Eclair and HC (from what I've seen). Phiremod rom is an option but doesn't look quite there yet (maybe after a few builds). Flash may not be a deal breaker for some but it allows web pages to really appear as they were supposed to be designed without the gaps you would see without it (could argue that a lot of flash is just ads but websites look as they originally intended).
I've been checking my Nook Froyo build and don't think I can see the internal drive so not sure if this is an option.
Doing a lot of reading on the changes that B&N is doing to the partitions of the Nook Color. Wondering now how it will affect those of us who are about to buy them with the intent to root and use a new ROM.
Details on the changes in my post linked below.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13962169&postcount=17
Considering most people probably buy the NC for an actual e-reader, it won't affect them, but for us at XDA, it may stop a few people who are lazy, or people it think it's too much trouble.
If rooted builds don't have access to the 7GB partition for non-B&N content, it will make rooting pretty worthless, but then rooting is already pretty worthless compared to CM7.
A CM7(or whatever ROM) install to eMMC can probably treat most of that 7GB as system space, which could be even more beneficial to CM7 than B&N, given the order of magnitude more apps available for CM7.
A CM7 install to SD is straight up losing 4GB of storage (as well as the flexibility of sharing that storage with whatever OS is on the eMMC), but is otherwise unaffected.
I suppose it could be seen as a sneaky way of making the non-B&N options look less appealing to new owners.
My guess is that this was done in an attempt to keep the ROM installs isolated to just the SD card.
That way B&N can claim that their device isn't being affected by rogue hackers!
I Am Marino said:
Considering most people probably buy the NC for an actual e-reader, it won't affect them, but for us at XDA, it may stop a few people who are lazy, or people it think it's too much trouble.
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Please clarify your statements! It is Impossible to install a Rom to the EMMC of a newly partitioned NC! Don't generalize all of us with new nooks into a catagory of Lazyness!
Also, 2 days ago you post this--Quote
I'll be honest. The NC confuses me slightly when it comes to how to root, flash ROMs, etc. compared to my Incredible, it feels like day and night.
I made a thread about a month ago about wanting to learn the process but since then it has changed greatly with the 1.2 update.
I would really like if someone could detail out to me the steps I need to root and have CM7 on the NC.
I have questions that are probably answered right in front of me but they get lost in the vast amount of posts.
•Since the eMMC is pretty much canceled out for the time being, I want to run CM7 off the SD card, I've already read a Sandisk Class 2 8 or 16GB is the right card for this, how the hell do I put CWM, CM7, etc on this one SD card or am I supposed to use 2-3 different cards for the process? Then what do I do from there?
•What is the most stable, but feature packed release of CM7 at this point in time, like what build, which kernel, etc.? Market and GAPPS working?
•Assuming the SD card is good, does running off the SD card impact performance or is it as slick as running off the internal?
Pretty much I'm starting from dead scratch when it comes to the NC and I feel the guide threads don't do enough justice to explain certain questions fully enough or at all?
If it helps at all, I just plan to download apps, internet browse, stream music from Mougg, little or no game playing, and overclock.
So someone please help me out? It's not like I know nothing, as I have a rooted and kept up to date phone but for some reason, the NC confuses me and I may be overthinking.
If I remember any more questions, I'll list them. Thanks.
Sounds like to me, you are a Bit Hypocritical!!!!
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Please clarify your statements! It is Impossible to install a Rom to the EMMC of a newly partitioned NC! Don't generalize all of us with new nooks into a catagory of Lazyness!
Also, 2 days ago you post this--Quote
I'll be honest. The NC confuses me slightly when it comes to how to root, flash ROMs, etc. compared to my Incredible, it feels like day and night.
I made a thread about a month ago about wanting to learn the process but since then it has changed greatly with the 1.2 update.
I would really like if someone could detail out to me the steps I need to root and have CM7 on the NC.
I have questions that are probably answered right in front of me but they get lost in the vast amount of posts.
•Since the eMMC is pretty much canceled out for the time being, I want to run CM7 off the SD card, I've already read a Sandisk Class 2 8 or 16GB is the right card for this, how the hell do I put CWM, CM7, etc on this one SD card or am I supposed to use 2-3 different cards for the process? Then what do I do from there?
•What is the most stable, but feature packed release of CM7 at this point in time, like what build, which kernel, etc.? Market and GAPPS working?
•Assuming the SD card is good, does running off the SD card impact performance or is it as slick as running off the internal?
Pretty much I'm starting from dead scratch when it comes to the NC and I feel the guide threads don't do enough justice to explain certain questions fully enough or at all?
If it helps at all, I just plan to download apps, internet browse, stream music from Mougg, little or no game playing, and overclock.
So someone please help me out? It's not like I know nothing, as I have a rooted and kept up to date phone but for some reason, the NC confuses me and I may be overthinking.
If I remember any more questions, I'll list them. Thanks.
Sounds like to me, you are a Bit Hypocritical!!!!
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What did quoting me prove?
Nothing.
I said the new partitioned NCs may lead to people not wanting to root because those people may be scared of going through the trouble to try to learn how to do root stuff otherwise or people too lazy to work around it. Had nothing to do with generalizations, before you try and make me look foolish, stop doing it to yourself.
By no means am I an expert at the content on this website and I'm quite new to the NC scene but that doesn't make me stupid and doesn't give you the right to try and throw me under the bus for some e-cred.
Besides all of the reading, like how hard is it to root a NC really?
Step 1. Put file on SD Card
Step 2. Boot up
Step 3. Um...like thats it!
I've had a harder time opening the front door when I've had a few drinks
*Just to clarify...the above was an attempt to difuse the situation with brevity*
Carry on!
Richard
I thought I was keeping current on Nook Color issues (rooting, ROMs, etc) but this is the first I've heard about changed partitions and how it may effect rooting the device. I'm running CM7 stable on internal memory and love it. I've got a microSD that boots the Nook into clockwork recovery or whatever that's called, I wipe everything and then install CM7 and gapps from the SD card, reboot and I'm done. I've installed the same setup on Nooks for two friends who envied my tablet. A third is about to go buy a Nook so I can do the same. if the Nook she buys has these new partitions will this process NOT work?
If you guys get the new partition, give this a try. I've done it myself since I had the new partition.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13971291&postcount=110
Works perfectly
So I got my refurbed Nook today and it has the changes to the partitions (blue sticker on box). I tried to load CM7 via CWM on the SD card and it won't boot at all. Is this because of the changes to the partitions?
cheez99 said:
So I got my refurbed Nook today and it has the changes to the partitions (blue sticker on box). I tried to load CM7 via CWM on the SD card and it won't boot at all. Is this because of the changes to the partitions?
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Yes....and see the post right above yours on how to solve it.
I just bought a nook yesterday; It was an older one still running the 1.1 upgrade. If I upgrade to 1.2, will my nook be repartitioned automatically?
schaan383 said:
I just bought a nook yesterday; It was an older one still running the 1.1 upgrade. If I upgrade to 1.2, will my nook be repartitioned automatically?
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As far as I know, No, it will not be.
I don't understand why B&N is putting so much effort into this. Rooting doesn't violate any carrier agreements, since this is a wi-fi only device, and their store is still available for use after a root. If they're worried about book piracy, that can be done without root. Any insights?
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Deegan87 said:
I don't understand why B&N is putting so much effort into this. Rooting doesn't violate any carrier agreements, since this is a wi-fi only device, and their store is still available for use after a root. If they're worried about book piracy, that can be done without root. Any insights?
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B&N discourages rooting for many reasons, including the fact that they only paid Google specific licensing fees and now most of us are running the full OS.
There is also the fear that we will damage the device and return it, which will directly affect their bottom line.
Whether or not WE think rooting is good may have nothing to do with how B&N and its investors thinks this affects their image.
No matter what, rooting is an out of control rogue operation in the eyes of any company. That lack of control scares them.
Secretly they may be fine with us rooting, but they are under a business obligation to their partners to protect the original design specs.
Sent from my rooted Nook Color acting as a Galaxy Tab.
Well for me, I would not have bought the Nook Color unless the root and full android install was an option.
I think there is probably a lot of people in the same boat that bought the device because it was primarily a nice way to get into a tablet with the added bonus it is a very good size for an e-reader.
Bottom line, there probably is a substantial increase in sales because of what people have done here making this a full android tablet.
It would be ill-advised for BN to impact this capability.
tbXDA said:
Bottom line, there probably is a substantial increase in sales because of what people have done here making this a full android tablet.
It would be ill-advised for BN to impact this capability.
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I don't know about that.
Remember although like 9/10 of the people here root and mod things, we're still a very small minority, most people probably actually did buy the NC for the e-reader, only as people keep word of mouth going do they figure out more about what they can do.
I Am Marino said:
I don't know about that.
Remember although like 9/10 of the people here root and mod things, we're still a very small minority, most people probably actually did buy the NC for the e-reader, only as people keep word of mouth going do they figure out more about what they can do.
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Absolutely right. There have been over 3 million sales of the Nook Color so far. We may be a very large community but we are a drop in the profit bucket, and most likely considered a risk in comparison.
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I just got a new blue sticker nook color and am having some issues. I understand that the software for installing images hasn't been modified to reflect these partitions yet but does it make sense that running from sd shouldn't work? I've been following verygreen's guide and using the exact versions and links that he has there but it hangs on "Loading...". If I try to use the nightlies instead I can sometimes make it to the cyanogenmod animation but every one I've tried freezes either there or earlier. Has something changed with the blue sticker nooks that would make us expect either generic-sdcard-v1.2.1 or update-cm-7.1.0-RC0-encore-2.6.32-beta3.1 to no longer work properly? I thought that this might be relevant to post in verygreen's thread but I haven't made enough posts to do that yet.
Help Please
Ok, so I've had a rooted NC since February and have ran most everything at one point or another thanks to the good people at XDA. I currently have CM7 .32 on mine.
My buddy saw my system and decided he liked it and bought one. I ran clockwork mod and flashed CM7 .32 on his NC. There was no notification bar on his and the cyanogen settings were force closing. I think he may have had the partitions on his. I'm trying to create an SD card CM7 for him, but I would like to fix his emmc as well. The adb partition fixes are really above my head as I have never been able to get adb to work.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks.