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Honeycomb on Nook is awesome, the work done here is impressive. Congratulations!
I want to try it out, giving a Nook Honeycomb, and use it instead of a Moto Xoom (it's impressive, but I doesn't need the big screen, HDMI, cameras, dual-core CPU...)
what I need is a small tablet so that I can:
# browse and read news etc.
# use Gmail
# watch a few videos (YouTube or files)
# maybe read e-books (Kindle, B&N)
# run various small apps (maybe some games) - from Android Market
And I want:
# 6" or 7" display
# low weight
# long battery life
# WiFi
# 3G through a Bluetooth connection to my phone
# and low cost
Thats not an 800 USD Xoom for that. But a Nook with HoneyComb!
I'm not a developer but a relatively technical user, so I'm not afraid of buying a Nook and try out some stuff.
But I have som questions and would like some input. I may have misunderstood things and I apologize for stupid questions.
First decisions/questions:
1; what is eMMC? I can see that I should choose between SD or EmmC, so this is probably a fairly basic decision.
2; I gather I need to choose which port of Honeycomb to use. Right? (I have listed a few below).
3; it appears to be possible to either boot Android Honeycomb from the SD-card. Does that mean I can use the Nook as it was delivered if the SD card isn't present?
4; Is there any other basic decisions I need to take?
There's lots of posts here, and I've been reading back and forth, and from what I see this is what I need:
# get a Nook
# get a microSD card. Is there any recommendations?
# get a Honeycomb image/build. Could be:
-http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=936995 by deeper-blue
-http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=925451 by dalingrin
-http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=954902 by phiredrop
# overclock the Nook to 1 or 1.1 GHz
# Disabling B&N OTA updates (or is this done automatically?)
# Dualboot?
# Installing various apps
# Network using Bluetooth - how?
Is this too deep water for me or should I plunge in?!
I personally think that you should dive in. Now first emmc is the name of the nooks internal memory.
I would recommend buying one and first using a micro SD to boot honeycomb and decide if you want to run it. It's a great port and great os but its not prime time yet on the nook.. I use it only, and even with its faults it is too 'tablet friendly' for me to switch.
YouTube is tricky at best. Ill let someone with more experience post about it. In my experience it's not real reliable for some reason
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I love my nook color, and it has a bright future. But u mentioned you wanted 3g and Bluetooth. Those are not available as of yet on nook color. I'm not sure if it has those internal components or not.
But it is a very capable device. Mine is setup comparable to the galaxy tab I would say, after rooting it and adding a custom rom.
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Thanks for the answers so far!
I can live without 3G/BlueTooth.
And I can live without YouTube. That will probably fixed along the way.
Is the current Honeycomb builds based on a prerelease SDK or is considered a final release?
Caspar07 said:
Thanks for the answers so far!
I can live without 3G/BlueTooth.
And I can live without YouTube. That will probably fixed along the way.
Is the current Honeycomb builds based on a prerelease SDK or is considered a final release?
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You can't use bluetooth for data, but you could certainly tether your nook to your smartphone. That's what I plan to do when I find myself without a wireless connection.
EDIT: Oh and you could visit the actual youtube website if you have flash installed (on a 2.2 or higher ROM).
Definately dive in. Buy a few microSD cards. Start by rooting the stock firmware and play with a launcher and the market. It's the most stable.
Install Honeycomb on an SD card and boot it. It's not bad but will be much improved in the next few weeks.
No bluetooth yet but you can wifi tether to your phone if your phone supports it.
BanditRider said:
Start by rooting the stock firmware and play with a launcher and the market. It's the most stable.
Install Honeycomb on an SD card and boot it. It's not bad but will be much improved in the next few weeks.
No bluetooth yet but you can wifi tether to your phone if your phone supports it.
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"Rooting stock firmware"?
Does that mean sort of copying the firmware, so You can restore later?
Again: good replies, much appreciated
To get you started.
At $250, the Nook Color sucks as an eReader. But as an android tablet, its the best purchase you could make. Nothing else comes close. Some notes on your comments.
1. The Nook Color(NC) has a boot priority to the microSD card, making it nearly impossible to 'brick.' I'd reccommend having two sd cards. A good class 10 one for your daily use, and a cheap 1gb one to keep a copy of clockwork recovery for quick repairs.
2. The bluetooth doesn't work, even though the device has the hardware. At this point, there is no speculation of it working in the forseeable future. HOWEVER, it works great using the WiFi hotspot on my HTC evo.
3. The device will run android 2.1 (eclair), 2.2 (froyo), 2.3 (gingerbread), and 3.0 (Honeycomb). All four have their issues. I've tested them all thoroughly, and prefer the standard 2.1 (also called stock NC) build for its stability. Feel free to try them all.
IF YOU SHOULD BUY ONE:
Instructions to root
Instructions to build a recovery SD card
Instructions on how to make root stock NC work well for you
Remember these links. They'll save you the hours of time I lost.
YouTube and Flash work perfectly for me on the 2.2 phiremod beta2 rom. I would say it is pretty stable. But if one is new to root they should just get used to rooting first. We are also over at androidtablets if you need help http://www.androidtablets.net/forum/nook/
The above link for rooting seems broken. Here is the NookDevs links http://nookdevs.com/NookColor_Rooting *edit nevermind it's working sorry
Thank you
I've not yet done any recover steps after auto nootering a few weeks ago. This is going to help me go do these steps this weekend.
Tethering is going to be something i need come summer vacation where there's no connection any place, i have the MOTO Droid, and PDANet, so i'll try that some day soon, see if it holds up.
admiralnorman said:
At $250, the Nook Color sucks as an eReader. But as an android tablet, its the best purchase you could make. Nothing else comes close. Some notes on your comments.
1. The Nook Color(NC) has a boot priority to the microSD card, making it nearly impossible to 'brick.' I'd reccommend having two sd cards. A good class 10 one for your daily use, and a cheap 1gb one to keep a copy of clockwork recovery for quick repairs.
2. The bluetooth doesn't work, even though the device has the hardware. At this point, there is no speculation of it working in the forseeable future. HOWEVER, it works great using the WiFi hotspot on my HTC evo.
3. The device will run android 2.1 (eclair), 2.2 (froyo), 2.3 (gingerbread), and 3.0 (Honeycomb). All four have their issues. I've tested them all thoroughly, and prefer the standard 2.1 (also called stock NC) build for its stability. Feel free to try them all.
IF YOU SHOULD BUY ONE:
Instructions to root
Instructions to build a recovery SD card
Instructions on how to make root stock NC work well for you
Remember these links. They'll save you the hours of time I lost.
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You need to use an Adhoc method to tether droid to autonootered nook I believe. It doesn't work as is right off the bat with a 2.1 nook color and droid1.
Caspar07 said:
....But I have som questions and would like some input. I may have misunderstood things and I apologize for stupid questions.
First decisions/questions:
1; what is eMMC? I can see that I should choose between SD or EmmC, so this is probably a fairly basic decision.
2; I gather I need to choose which port of Honeycomb to use. Right? (I have listed a few below).
3; it appears to be possible to either boot Android Honeycomb from the SD-card. Does that mean I can use the Nook as it was delivered if the SD card isn't present?
4; Is there any other basic decisions I need to take?
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I was in the same boat... wanted a tablet to do pretty much what you are looking for... after reading the threads here, I got a Nookcolor...
1.. eMMC is the Nook's internal memory, where its current/stock B&N OS and apps are stored and run from. If you wanted to use a "custom rom" like Froyo, Gingerbread, Honeycomb, you could install it to eMMC, overwriting the stock B&N stuff... BUT you don't have to.
2. Right now, the honeycomb ports out there are based on the Pre-Release SDK (software dev kit), and made to work on an actual device, i.e. the NookColor. Because of this, it has some limits and bugs. The best HC Ports will come once HC goes AOSP (hopefully soon since the XOOM, which uses HC, is now for sale).
3. The NookColor is setup to try and boot from MicroSD card first, and if no OS on MicroSD, then boot off the eMMC. So, you could load up a card with another OS, play with it, and NOT TOUCH the stock B&N stuff... just pop the card in when you want to boot the other OS, and pop it out when you want to go "stock" (that is what I'm doing now).
This also means you can make up a MicroSD card strictly for the purpose of recovering/reloading the OS on your NookColor if something goes wrong when trying to install an alternate OS to the eMMC. (i.e. helps you "unbrick" your device).
Note: when getting a MicroSD card to boot an alternate OS from, its generally better to get a higher class card as they are usually faster (means the OS runs faster/smoother). But some of the lessor known brands often don't live up to their class ratings. And there have been issues with some people getting certain Class 10 (fastest) 16gig cards, so you'll have to do some home work, searching and reading the threads to decide on which card to buy.
4. You have many choices to make. Do you want to run stock B&N os/firmware (Eclair/2.1) as is out of the box? Do you want to root the stock OS and add your own apps? Do you want to try one of the Froyo (2.2), Gingerbread (2.3, the CM7 builds) or Honeycomb (3.0) ports and do you want to run them from MicroSD (slower) or eMMC (faster)?
While Wifi works with each Froyo and HC build I've tried, Bluetooth doesn't work with any of them.
Each port of Froyo, Gingerbread and HC has its own positives and negatives, so you have to investigate and figure out which one works best for you as a daily driver.
Me, I left the stock B&N NookColor OS and Apps untouched, and loaded up one MicroSD (Sandisk 8G class4) with Froyo following this thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=922324
And I loaded up another MicroSD card using the HC Preview v4, but it didn't meet my needs, so I'm waiting on the AOSP of HC to try again.
admiralnorman said:
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3. The device will run android 2.1 (eclair), 2.2 (froyo), 2.3 (gingerbread), and 3.0 (Honeycomb). All four have their issues. I've tested them all thoroughly, and prefer the standard 2.1 (also called stock NC) build for its stability. Feel free to try them all.
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Remember these links. They'll save you the hours of time I lost.
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Great help - thanks.
Still one question:
Is lack of stability in Honeycomb due to the fact that it's still early and very new, or is it due to incompatible hardware?
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Caspar07 said:
Great help - thanks.
Still one question:
Is lack of stability in Honeycomb due to the fact that it's still early and very new, or is it due to incompatible hardware?
This is getting increasingly interesting
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Not really. Its kind of a developer's platform. So its made to run on a generic android device. As the programmer type people around here play with it, it gets better and better.
Sent from my HTC Evo 4g using XDA App
KidJoe said:
I was in the same boat... wanted a tablet to do pretty much what you are looking for... after reading the threads here, I got a Nookcolor...
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And I loaded up another MicroSD card using the HC Preview v4, but it didn't meet my needs, so I'm waiting on the AOSP of HC to try again.
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Thanks for the lengthy answer. That was a helpful explanation.
Caspar07 said:
Great help - thanks.
Still one question:
Is lack of stability in Honeycomb due to the fact that it's still early and very new, or is it due to incompatible hardware?
This is getting increasingly interesting
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The devs currently do not have the Honeycomb source. What exists now has been pieced together from the emulator and is glitchy. Once they have the source (which should be soon as the XOOM is out now) we should begin to see improvements in HC roms.
Also, please recognize that not everyone has stability issues. I've been running the initial version of Sam's "flashable" Deeper Bulue image for 2 weeks, and don't have any stability issues.
It really depends on what apps you want to run. I have market working fine, with lots of apps downloaded. I did the ADHOC tweak early on, and can connect to wireless networks pretty much at will.
I read quite a bit, and spend a lot of "nook time" using it as an eReadr. I've worked my way through a number of books using the B&B Reader, Kindle, and Aldiko without any issues.
It's not a "production" image, but for me it works well.
admiralnorman said:
The bluetooth doesn't work, even though the device has the hardware. At this point, there is no speculation of it working in the forseeable future. HOWEVER, it works great using the WiFi hotspot on my HTC evo.
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Just got an execuse to buy myself a new gadget - a HTC Evo or similar
"Is the Nook Color the right Android tablet for me?"
I think the easiest way to answer this question is by how much you enjoy tinkering with things. If you want a tablet that "just works" then you'll want a Xoom or Galaxy Tab. But if you love playing and learning about how your gadgets work 'under the hood' then the Nook Color will be the best gadget purchase you've made in awhile.
I've honestly spent more time "getting it to work perfectly" than I have actually using it, but I've loved every minute of it. I won't lie, Java and/or Linux experience is a big plus, but by no means necessary.
admiralnorman said:
At $250, the Nook Color sucks as an eReader. But as an android tablet, its the best purchase you could make. Nothing else comes close.
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I just bought a Nook Color about a half hour ago and this post made me feel so much better about it. I've been debating it for some time and decided to take the plunge. I was worried that I might be late to the game but it has only been out for like 3 months.
Can anyone point me in the direction of Honeycomb for the NC? EDIT: Unless someone recommends a better ROM for now?
By the way, my name is Raj and I'll be spending lots of time here!
Hello all. I am very interested in the Nook Color or the Samsung Galaxy Tab (Wifi). I just don't know which one to purchase. I do read a lot of books so I like the NC, but for a hundred extra dollars should I just get the Sammy Tab which has a faster processor? Basically, I was wondering if you guys would still be using the NC if you had the cash right now or would you have gone the other route? Thanks in advance and cheers.
tfotos said:
Hello all. I am very interested in the Nook Color or the Samsung Galaxy Tab (Wifi). I just don't know which one to purchase. I do read a lot of books so I like the NC, but for a hundred extra dollars should I just get the Sammy Tab which has a faster processor? Basically, I was wondering if you guys would still be using the NC if you had the cash right now or would you have gone the other route? Thanks in advance and cheers.
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Well, you're talking $250 vs $350 basically. The Galaxy Tab will have nice features like camera, etc. You don't have to put a custom ROM on it, it is supposed to even get Honeycomb (offical) some time in the future I guess. However, if you are willing to spend $350 on a tablet, I would suggest you pony up another $50 and get the Asus Transformer.
That being said though, cost wise you can't beat the Nook for features and custom ROM support.
I hear ya. The one thing that keeps drawing me to the Nook Color (aside from its price) is the fact that I love using my e-ink Nook for reading. I like the fact that the primary purpose of the NC is for books. How is the operating system on the NC? I heard that it got froyo. Is there access to the android market or do you have to root/flash to use it like a tab? Are movies OK to watch on it? I have seen the Asus Transformer, but I think that it is kind of ugly. I know the hardware is a beast, but the bezel around it is kind of huge isn't it? Aesthetically I like how the NC and the Sammy Tab look, and I like the 7 inch size. I am thinking portability. Who knows though, I could always change my mind and get a 10 inch tablet.
tfotos said:
I hear ya. The one thing that keeps drawing me to the Nook Color (aside from its price) is the fact that I love using my e-ink Nook for reading. I like the fact that the primary purpose of the NC is for books. How is the operating system on the NC? I heard that it got froyo. Is there access to the android market or do you have to root/flash to use it like a tab? Are movies OK to watch on it? I have seen the Asus Transformer, but I think that it is kind of ugly. I know the hardware is a beast, but the bezel around it is kind of huge isn't it? Aesthetically I like how the NC and the Sammy Tab look, and I like the 7 inch size. I am thinking portability. Who knows though, I could always change my mind and get a 10 inch tablet.
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Well, if you stick with the stock Nook software you only get access to the B&N appstore thing. I've heard it is pretty limited and the apps are more expensive than their Android Market and Amazon Appstore counterparts. I couldn't tell you much about it though. Within 5 minutes of my Nook charging up I installed the CM7 Gingerbread build on it and it works great! So I never played around with the 1.2 NC version of Android.
Also, the screen on the NC is LCD, not eInk, and while the resolution is nice, it still will cause more eye strain than eInk or paper. So you might not enjoy reading on it as much as you think! I find it comfortable though.
I still think you should stay away from the Galaxy Tab right now. It is sure to have some sales as soon as they release their new tablets (an 8.9" and a 10") which are faster, strong, meatier.
As for movies, I also don't know how the NC stock OS works with media. I'm using an app called MoboPlayer which seems to play just about every video format I have without an issue. Prior to that with the base CM7 (and I'm assuming stock NC) I could only play 1-2 formats...don't even remember which ones anymore. I hate converting video, so I found another solution right away.
I hope that helps, and honestly, for $200 (used) - $250 (new), you won't get better than the NC at this point in time.
There are 2 Nook Colors in my house.... One is rooted with original B&N 1.1 software, which gives you a stock E-reader with access to the Android Market. I find this setup to be a bit quirky for my liking (it's my wife's Nook). I've not tried playing video on this particular Nook, but the market & apps work fine. My Nook is rooted and running Cyanogen CM7.0.0 Gingerbread from internal memory and is overclocked to 1.2 GHz (from the standard Nook 800 MHz processor). It is very stable and video playback is excellent, however the Nook App from the Market is not as user friendly as the B & N version (not a big deal to me it still works for the amount of reading I do). I find the 7" size is perfect and I take my Nook EVERYWHERE with me. I get about 2 days between plug-ins with moderate use and it tethers perfectly with my phone. I don't believe I'd be so willing to carry it with me all of the time if it was any bigger though. I don't think I'd trade my Nook for anything shy of an Xoom which I believe is about $600 right now.
The wifi Galaxy Tab has the same GPU as the Nook Color, and the same CPU. Once you overclock the Nook Color CPU it can be equal or better.
It comes down to paying extra if you want built in cameras and a GPS.
Thanks to all for the great info. If I wanted to..could I run CM 7 from the sd card like they do for Honeycomb, thus keeping my NC stock for when I do want to use it for reading? I read a lot and love the original stock interface for my reading and shopping. I am headed out the door now and I am coming back with either the Sammy Tab or the Nook. I'm leaning heavily towards the Nook though.
tfotos said:
Thanks to all for the great info. If I wanted to..could I run CM 7 from the sd card like they do for Honeycomb, thus keeping my NC stock for when I do want to use it for reading? I read a lot and love the original stock interface for my reading and shopping. I am headed out the door now and I am coming back with either the Sammy Tab or the Nook. I'm leaning heavily towards the Nook though.
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Yes you can. However if you have no use for Nook Kids or Nook magazines, you can just install the nook android app and read books from it. Or you can use a bunch of other pdf, epub, doc readers.
The only benefit to stock is those two features. So up to you.
tfotos said:
Thanks to all for the great info. If I wanted to..could I run CM 7 from the sd card like they do for Honeycomb, thus keeping my NC stock for when I do want to use it for reading? I read a lot and love the original stock interface for my reading and shopping. I am headed out the door now and I am coming back with either the Sammy Tab or the Nook. I'm leaning heavily towards the Nook though.
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Yes. You can run CM7 from the sd card and even run a rooted BN version on the internal memory for the best of both worlds.
I agree with previous posts...
in addition, I could say that the only things I really miss on my Nook (more then gps and camera) are the aptik feedback (vibrations, specially on the keyboard) and a microphone for voice recognition... instead I think that both things are on Galaxy tab (but I'm not sure)...
more then galaxy, you can have on Nook Color a great devs community here at xda! other then save 100$ ...
tfotos said:
Thanks to all for the great info. If I wanted to..could I run CM 7 from the sd card like they do for Honeycomb, thus keeping my NC stock for when I do want to use it for reading? I read a lot and love the original stock interface for my reading and shopping. I am headed out the door now and I am coming back with either the Sammy Tab or the Nook. I'm leaning heavily towards the Nook though.
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Better yet, you can split the internal drive partition, and allow for dual booting partitions on internal. That way, you can run stock on one partition, and CM7 on the other and not have to worry about carrying around a bootable sd card all the time. You can boot from CM7 into stock and vice/vs in literally 45 seconds, pnce you take the 30 minutes to get it all set up.
Check me here: http://www.mobileunderground.info/showthread.php?t=51217&p=84794
Well, I thank all of you for your input. I literally spent an hour just messing with both the SGT and the NC. The SGT was a little faster and more responsive but I think that was due to the differences in the UI's themselves. There is only a 200 mhz difference in the processors. I did like the fact that the SGT had front and rear facing cameras, as well as the android market already rocking. BUT..I picked up the Nook Color for two big reasons. The first being that I am an avid book reader, and love the fact that you can boot from SD so I can still have the stock Nook reading experience as well as Gingerbread. The second reason is the modding community here on XDA; you guys pretty much talked me into it. So thanks for all the responses. I am a new Nook Color owner.
Am a happy user of a dual-booting Nook Color running CM 7.0.2 off sd-card, with little need for a camera.
However, being someone who appreciates how much lighter the Nook is compared to the iPad, I'd like to point out that the Nook is ~30% heavier than the Galaxy Tab.
The SGT was a lot thicker. I did not notice a huge difference in weight though.
I am surfing the forums from my NC right now and loving it. Can't wait to load up Gingerbread! Unfortunately I have to work in about an hour, so I will be reading all I can on flashing a new rom onto this. Thanks again guys and gals.
furius said:
I agree with previous posts...
in addition, I could say that the only things I really miss on my Nook (more then gps and camera) are the aptik feedback (vibrations, specially on the keyboard) and a microphone for voice recognition... instead I think that both things are on Galaxy tab (but I'm not sure)...
more then galaxy, you can have on Nook Color a great devs community here at xda! other then save 100$ ...
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Yeah...if the NC had a microphone it would be doubly awesome. That is a limiting thing that made me think twice, but for the price vs features, I still couldn't find better. I'm only OCed to the CM7 default 925Mhz and I haven't had any video playback issues. Watched a few episodes of the Big Bang Theory just yesterday.
Since the Nook's froyo update can you still over clock it? Also, how is battery life after you flash gingerbread or honeycomb?
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Since the Nook's froyo update can you still over clock it? Also, how is battery life after you flash gingerbread or honeycomb?
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I haven't run Honeycomb, but running CM7 from EMMC overclocked to 1.3 GHz, my battery life is about 2 days between charges with moderate use....facebook, email, streaming videos and reading the news. My wife's Nook with rooted stock firmware is definately easier on the power consumption, but not nearly as capable of a machine.
Running CM7 with 1.3 GHz kernel, I think the only missing thing is the camera for me...
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Running CM7 with 1.3 GHz kernel, I think the only missing thing is the camera for me...
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Just curious and truly not trying to be a smartass or anything, but why would you use a camera on a tablet? I mean cell phones are near dedicated digital camera quality and easier to use. I guess I just don't get the desire for a tablet with a camera unless its front facing for video calling...but honestly, if you called me on the phone and I was home you probably wouldn't want the camera turned on anyway...trust me on that one.
I would agree about the camera thing on a tablet. It seems like it would be awkward snapping photos with it. It may be cool for skyping maybe. Usually if I'm going to use the webcam I'm at home so the kids can talk to everyone too.
First off, I hope that everyone enjoys their NC in the way that they want to use it...it's a great eReader. For those that are a little adventurous, even if not very tech savy, all you have to do is research the internet and posts from other users and you too, can have a customized NC.
I picked up my NC in Feb and have never been disappointed with what it is capable of doing. It's like the eBook/tablet version of the HTC HD2 (IMHO).
Since Feb, I have learned how to root and load new ROM's in the emmc, set up dual-boot, side load .apk files, and edit the build.prop, systemui, system and framework files. Now mind you, I have never done any of this before so it has been a great learning experience and the NC has been the best device to work with.
My NC started life like most NC's did....with 1.0. From there it has handled the following changes (some of them more then once before the dual boot setup came out):
-Monster Root pack
-Auto nooter
-Sideloaded stock 1.1
-Ultimate Droid
-Honeycomb 3.0v4 from DeeperBlue
-CM7 nightlies from 16-32
-Nookiecomb
-Dual Boot setup
-CM 7.0
-Stock 1.2
-Phiremod 6.1
-Phiremod 6.2
-New Boot screen animation
-Several Dalingrin OC Kernel's (currently running 4/24/11 set at 1300mhz and benching 1124mhz).
-Several different themes, widgets, buttons and icons that are Honeycomb style
-Many apps: Netflix, Angry Birds Rio, Air Attack HD, Pocket Legends, Nova, Cordy, etc...
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I'm still using Phiremod 6.2 which has been very stable even with the 4/24/11 OC Kernel. I have stock 1.2 in the dual-boot partition but it is just for show...I never use it.
None of the above would have ever been without the developers and the users and fans of both Andriod and the NC. All I did was some research and followed instructions...some very basic and some kinda technical. During all of the tinkering, loading, unloading, unzipping and installing, it still worked great at being an e-reader even though I was turning into a tablet.
Okay, so it doesn't have a camera, 3g or 4g, and there is no video capture capability, but ya know what...my HD2 has the things it's missing (well not 4g but I could care less) and I can tether to it wirelessly.
Okay, so it doesn't have a 10" screen or a full keyboard but my Netbook has that and this I can stuff in the pocket of a jacket or backpack without it weighing me down so really...am I missing anything for the price? In my opinion...not really.
My NookCOLOR's evolution
I've tried every flavour of NC ROM out there (many several times). With the help of Titanium Backup PRO, I've only lost a de minimus amount of data in going from ROM-to-ROM.
Longest usages: CM7 and HCv3 - about 3-4 weeks each.
Current: CM7 beta 3.1 & .32 kernel (OC anyone? - LOL)
The key take away for me has been this: NC is an UNBREAKABLE Beast of a machine that has taken a beating from me, with all my restlessness to be on the bleeding edge. It has never given in or called 'no mas.' And it lives to tell the tale to all those ill-informed haters out there.
Whatever happens (or doesn't happen) on May 24th from B&N, I don't care. NC is my first true love.
Good thread m8!
Right now, my major concerns are the one failed power cable (replaced at the store) and wearing out the SD slot!
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Okay, so it doesn't have a 10" screen or a full keyboard but my Netbook has that and this I can stuff in the pocket of a jacket or backpack without it weighing me down so really...am I missing anything for the price?
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Yes it has one thing missing: more processing/GPU power.
If the NC had a Tegra 2 (or Tegra 3), I would be in heaven.
As it is now, that's the only thing limiting me playing some of those super-demanding 3D games (as well as general performance of the device).
Unfortunately, I'm looking at all these powerful devices coming out like the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 that was given away at Google I/O and while it has amazing performance etc, I just don't want that big of a device. I *LOVE* the size of the Nook Color. I LOVE my B&N case that makes it look nondescript (people have confused it multiple times for a book haha -- I love that).
Nook Color-sized tablet with a Tegra 2 (or 3) for under $299-$399 and I am so there!
I agree 100% ! I was lucky enough to be able to get an Asus Transformer but find myself picking up my Nook everyday, I come in and read every post in the various rom threads, trying to learn, confident that I won't brick my Nook
I started with stock, then rooted stock, then Nookie Froyo, the CM7 with nightlies. Tonight I went with Phiremod 6.2. I'm totally delighted, this toy
has provided me with countless hours of learning opportunities.. now to go read up on netflix
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I agree 100% ! I was lucky enough to be able to get an Asus Transformer but find myself picking up my Nook everyday, I come in and read every post in the various rom threads, trying to learn, confident that I won't brick my Nook
I started with stock, then rooted stock, then Nookie Froyo, the CM7 with nightlies. Tonight I went with Phiremod 6.2. I'm totally delighted, this toy
has provided me with countless hours of learning opportunities.. now to go read up on netflix
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That's a great point. You can play and learn without damaging the unit.
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I've tried every flavour of NC ROM out there (many several times). With the help of Titanium Backup PRO, I've only lost a de minimus amount of data in going from ROM-to-ROM.
Longest usages: CM7 and HCv3 - about 3-4 weeks each.
Current: CM7 beta 3.1 & .32 kernel (OC anyone? - LOL)
The key take away for me has been this: NC is an UNBREAKABLE Beast of a machine that has taken a beating from me, with all my restlessness to be on the bleeding edge. It has never given in or called 'no mas.' And it lives to tell the tale to all those ill-informed haters out there.
Whatever happens (or doesn't happen) on May 24th from B&N, I don't care. NC is my first true love.
Good thread m8!
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Yup...it's a Beast alright. I'm happy with the CM7/Phiremod but would change to HC if they can get more of the apps to work. I saw a post from someone that is working an SDK version but it's not a daily driver yet.
Unless B&N came out with a dual-core HC version of the NC then I'm happy with what I have. I doubt the news next week will even be close to that!
Thanks for the kudo.
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Yes it has one thing missing: more processing/GPU power.
If the NC had a Tegra 2 (or Tegra 3), I would be in heaven.
As it is now, that's the only thing limiting me playing some of those super-demanding 3D games (as well as general performance of the device).
Unfortunately, I'm looking at all these powerful devices coming out like the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 that was given away at Google I/O and while it has amazing performance etc, I just don't want that big of a device. I *LOVE* the size of the Nook Color. I LOVE my B&N case that makes it look nondescript (people have confused it multiple times for a book haha -- I love that).
Nook Color-sized tablet with a Tegra 2 (or 3) for under $299-$399 and I am so there!
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I agree....it would be great to have a Tegra 2 or 3 to speed it up.
The Galaxy, Xoom and the other 10" Tabs out there are just too big. I wouldn't trade the size of the NC for the increase performance...1100+mhz is pretty good for me. I know that T-mobile has an 8" G-tab that is running a dual-core setup with HC. That, if anything would be something to look at but I like the fact that the NC is not linked to my mobile account so they can't charge me more for using it! Freedom is a wonderful thing
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I agree 100% ! I was lucky enough to be able to get an Asus Transformer but find myself picking up my Nook everyday, I come in and read every post in the various rom threads, trying to learn, confident that I won't brick my Nook
I started with stock, then rooted stock, then Nookie Froyo, the CM7 with nightlies. Tonight I went with Phiremod 6.2. I'm totally delighted, this toy
has provided me with countless hours of learning opportunities.. now to go read up on netflix
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I was looking at the Asus Transformer as a replacement for my netbook. How does it work for ya?
Netflix works great and the build.prop edit was easy!
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I agree....it would be great to have a Tegra 2 or 3 to speed it up.
The Galaxy, Xoom and the other 10" Tabs out there are just too big. I wouldn't trade the size of the NC for the increase performance...1100+mhz is pretty good for me. I know that T-mobile has an 8" G-tab that is running a dual-core setup with HC. That, if anything would be something to look at but I like the fact that the NC is not linked to my mobile account so they can't charge me more for using it! Freedom is a wonderful thing
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Yup. All these manufacturers making 3G-only tablets without a Wi-Fi version are moronic.
Even the CEO of Nvidia realizes this: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/15/nvidia-ceo-disappointed-by-android-tablet-sales-blames-pricing/
At this point I would never consider a 3G tablet, unless I can use it via my already-existing T-Mobile data connection without having to pay more. As soon as all the manufacturers start being smart and offering Wi-Fi-Only tablets, Honeycomb sales will take off.
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I was looking at the Asus Transformer as a replacement for my netbook. How does it work for ya?
Netflix works great and the build.prop edit was easy!
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I'm loving my Asus TF but am still running it stock, I need to do a review of the unit for more main stream end users & want to wait till Asus releases the newest HC FOTA.
I watching Netflix on my Nook now, the build.prop edit didn't work for me but the hacked APK without device check worked beautifully!
I'm very happy with the manualnooter setup for the new update. I like the stock feel and apps while having the ability to overclock, use the market, etc. After all, I do use it for reading. But is there nothing more to develop with this setup until B&N releases a new update? Maybe the ability to merge specific CM7 features with it to gain performance if nothing else?
Honestly, I'm not seeing any reason these days to switch back to CM7. The only thing currently on my wishlist is better flash browsing performance. But that's more of a hardware issue than anything from what I've read.
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I'm very happy with the manualnooter setup for the new update. I like the stock feel and apps while having the ability to overclock, use the market, etc. After all, I do use it for reading. But is there nothing more to develop with this setup until B&N releases a new update? Maybe the ability to merge specific CM7 features with it to gain performance if nothing else?
Honestly, I'm not seeing any reason these days to switch back to CM7. The only thing currently on my wishlist is better flash browsing performance. But that's more of a hardware issue than anything from what I've read.
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Thankfully, all of the current developer resources are being spent on more fruitful ventures like CM7. Sorry, but sticking with the old OS is silly, unless you specifically need the nook app features. CM7 has more hardware features enabled, a new OS, and a good classic Android experience (none of B&N's blah framework).
I think the best that stock users can hope for is some newer kernels every now and then, but ill be honest; i really hope he keeps up with CM7 first and foremost. Again, it is the better OS, and more deserving of the development time.
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Thankfully, all of the current developer resources are being spent on more fruitful ventures like CM7. Sorry, but sticking with the old OS is silly, unless you specifically need the nook app features. CM7 has more hardware features enabled, a new OS, and a good classic Android experience (none of B&N's blah framework).
I think the best that stock users can hope for is some newer kernels every now and then, but ill be honest; i really hope he keeps up with CM7 first and foremost. Again, it is the better OS, and more deserving of the development time.
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Bluetooth thats not very useful/practical. Decreased battery life. No stock B&N reader app (the market one doesn't have near the stock's polish).
I'm not sure why this makes the ROOTED stock OS "silly." This is, of curse, coming from a non-developer/programmer. Standing plainly from a consumer perspective, I don't see the "blah" framework nor do i care since the performance seems to be nearly the same. I'm not getting into a Quadrant score argument here either .
That being said, honeycomb would be deserving of my attention....with the B&N reader. haha.
*I realize this might read as being negative, but I promise you it's not. I'm just carrying a conversation of the pros/cons. I obviously appreciate the development, whichever way it goes, because it benefits everybody.*
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Bluetooth thats not very useful/practical. Decreased battery life. No stock B&N reader app (the market one doesn't have near the stock's polish).
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Sorry, but that is crazy. The bluetooth is incredibly useful. It allows me to use the Nook as a standalone nav device (and let me tell you, nav on a 7" rocks), or use my bluetooth speaker set. The battery life is fine for what it is. even overclocked, i have never run out of battery in a heavy days use. Charge at night, and i am good to go. I understand the reader, which is why i gave it as the one exception.
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I'm not sure why this makes the ROOTED stock OS "silly." This is, of curse, coming from a non-developer/programmer. Standing plainly from a consumer perspective, I don't see the "blah" framework nor do i care since the performance seems to be nearly the same. I'm not getting into a Quadrant score argument here either .
That being said, honeycomb would be deserving of my attention....with the B&N reader. haha.
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I am talking as a consumer as well. I hated the changes B&N made to the Android look and feel. I understand it was done with the goal of making it an eReader, but given an alternative, i had no desire to keep it. Even benchmarks aside, Ginerbread has always felt faster (and has better app and memory management).
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*I realize this might read as being negative, but I promise you it's not. I'm just carrying a conversation of the pros/cons. I obviously appreciate the development, whichever way it goes, because it benefits everybody.*
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I have no problems with discussion.
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I understand the reader, which is why i gave it as the one exception.
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Yeah, but the reader is a pretty big exception depending on what you use the Nook Color for. While I can't see myself going back to stock OS from CM7, I have to say that the B&N reader in the market blows in comparison to what comes stock on the NC. Most critically, opening a book with highlighting can take 1 1/2 to 2 minutes on the App, wheras it's instant on the stock reader.
My Nook Color journey will be complete and I'll finally be able to use this thing the way I truly want when (1) Movies play as well on my NC as they did on BN OS 1.1, and (2) the Nook App for Android opens books as quickly as the stock reader does.
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Yeah, but the reader is a pretty big exception depending on what you use the Nook Color for. While I can't see myself going back to stock OS from CM7, I have to say that the B&N reader in the market blows in comparison to what comes stock on the NC. Most critically, opening a book with highlighting can take 1 1/2 to 2 minutes on the App, wheras it's instant on the stock reader.
My Nook Color journey will be complete and I'll finally be able to use this thing the way I truly want when (1) Movies play as well on my NC as they did on BN OS 1.1, and (2) the Nook App for Android opens books as quickly as the stock reader does.
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The reader is the only reason I can justify having a tablet. The Transformer is REALLY tempting but I can't really find a specific use aside from the "because I can," attitude.
Hate to say it, but I tend to agree with Madcat on this one. CM7 is a constantly growing project with lots of development support. Stock is... Well stock... You may never see another update for it and I don't feel it comes with anywhere near as much customization.
If you're truly happy with an "eReader" than updates are silly past Manualnooter. It's overclocked and you can read just fine. If you want a "tablet" that's why there's CM7.
That said, had I just wanted an eReader, I would have just bought a Nook or Kindle, battery life is far better for those, and you can easily read your books. Like Madcat said, it's very easy to use the Nook Color heavily (overclocked to 1.3ghz on .29 kernel/Debateable on .32 till PBD is fixed) for a whole day and charge at night. I don't think you're going to see much better even on Stock...
Bluetooth... Silly? LOL, the only thing missing from the Nook color is video out, and I would have a highly portable video game system for vacations, family get togethers, etc.. As Madcat also mentioned, bluetooth gps is pretty awesome on this screen, makes me regret recently buying a TomTom.
But you're also forgetting USB host support that will soon be baked in, allowing the nook to use external usb keybords, mouses, webcams(possibly?), video game controllers and hard drives!
Something goes wrong with CM7 you have a lot of dev support and other user support. Something breaks in Stock and you have the manual spoken to you in verbatim, with an Indian Accent and an American name.
My Nook Color journey will be complete and I'll finally be able to use this thing the way I truly want when (1) Movies play as well on my NC as they did on BN OS 1.1, and (2) the Nook App for Android opens books as quickly as the stock reader does.
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Not sure why it hasn't ended for video... Overclock it and use Moboplayer and you can easily watch videos. That or learn to encode videos with handbrake to the specs of the nook color for hardware acceleration.
As far as the Nook App goes... I don't really read books outside of pdfs, so correct me if I'm wrong... But couldn't you use other programs like Kindle? or Moon Reader or Aikido?
I'm a little confused about the Bluetooth usability comments. Has the extremely short range issue been resolved and I missed it?
Personally I did want a device that was mostly an eReader with added capability. A rooted/over-clocked Nook Color running Smart Taskbar, Button Savior and a few other goodies fits that bill. Sure the user interface is not Android but that wasn't my intent from the start.
If the Bluetooth range can be/has been resolved, that would be icing on the cake if it gets ported to the rooted NC.If Bluetooth range while using WiFi is still sub par, I wouldn't describe it as very useful even if I were running CM7.
Even though we're on XDA, not all of us are interested in constantly tinkering with our toys all the time. If that is your thing, I say more power to you but there is no call to ridicule others who are looking for something different. Hopefully we can rise above such rudeness and treat each other with common courtesy.
-Joe
PuterGeek said:
Hopefully we can rise above such rudeness and treat each other with common courtesy.
-Joe
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Who's being rude? Seems pretty civil so far.
I just nooted last night with the lastest MN and Dalingrin's 2.6.32 OC kernel and let me tell you I am as happy as I can be. I did consider CM7 or Phiremod which I think are great but then I realized I am using this baby more for ereading than anything else.
I do like the BN reader launcher and I want to enjoy it a little bit more, the OC brings new life to it (is laggy as hell out of the box). I have now installed around 50 apps including ADW EX, customized it to my taste and to be frank regarding UI I have it to the level CM7 or Phiremod is. I can't imagine it faster than it is (it actually beats my Cognition 4 Samsung Galaxy S in feel and in Quadrant 1800 vs 2300 for the nook).
So I might change later but my needs are fulfilled for now, same situation with my Galaxy S, until CM7 is stable over there I'm sticking with stable froyo Cog goodness.
Hi,
Im looking for a cheap tablet to gift. After considering the choices, i see nook color fits the bill...
However, i noticed people complaing about some problems like choppy youtube, sleep of death problems, etc with cm7.. I want to know how bad it really is? is it worth buying over regular tablet? Thing is I'm prepared to take a chance, but im gifting it to someone who wont update to latest ROM by himself..so i want to know if cm7 is stable on NC for regular stuff like games browsing, youtube etc...
Also how is the impact of overclocking on battery..is it able to give 6-7 hour runtime on 1.2ghz on interactive governer?
Mafioso said:
Hi,
Im looking for a cheap tablet to gift. After considering the choices, i see nook color fits the bill...
However, i noticed people complaing about some problems like choppy youtube, sleep of death problems, etc with cm7.. I want to know how bad it really is? is it worth buying over regular tablet? Thing is I'm prepared to take a chance, but im gifting it to someone who wont update to latest ROM by himself..so i want to know if cm7 is stable on NC for regular stuff like games browsing, youtube etc...
Also how is the impact of overclocking on battery..is it able to give 6-7 hour runtime on 1.2ghz on interactive governer?
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I have absolutly no problems with CM7 on the NC. I have oc'd to 1.1 and can run 9 hours with the screen on. I use it for everything, and would have no problems giving it as a gift to my gf to use as such.
Although, if you are going to give it and never update it, or be there to fix something if anything happens to have, I would buy an android tablet. Not the off name cheepy ones.
If it has to do with funds, I would choose the NC in the end.
It's a good tablet and performs quite nice on cm7. Have it clocked to 1GHz and it stays stable.
Sent from my [R3] BLURR3D DROID BIONIC using XDA App.
It works fine for the most part. Some people do have trouble with sleep but not me. It does have performance problems with Flash video but I think that's due to Flash being very demanding.
YouTube works fine. Netflix does too. Those are my sources of video. Although I use my Nook mostly for web and reading.
The Nook Color is a good cheap tablet with CM7. The best part is the IPS LCD you get for this cheap price.
thanks for the feedback....NC it is then
I forgot to mention that with YouTube you need to run an older version than the one in the market. For some reason the latest version won't play HQ. Just search for YouTube 2.1.6 apk.
Or here is my backup.
Why wouldn't the person you're gifting it to ever update it?
It's pretty simple through Rom Manager, and as long as they just do it like once a week/once every other week to whichever nightly has the most stars in the list... They'd probably be alright.
Yoinx said:
Why wouldn't the person you're gifting it to ever update it?
It's pretty simple through Rom Manager, and as long as they just do it like once a week/once every other week to whichever nightly has the most stars in the list... They'd probably be alright.
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It seems pretty easy for us...but for a person who isn't technologically savvy or lacks interest in it, its a big deal...Most people are fine as long as it does basic things right and don't care much for new enhancements...
It's entirely possible to never flash again once you have a stable release running. If Android 4 works out on Nook Color maybe that will be worth upgrading too. Otherwise we are pretty much past the teething problems of getting a decent kernel for 2.3, for example. 7.1.0 is a huge improvement over 7.0.3 primarily because of the kernel improvements that arrived since May.
I suggest you explore the stock firmware too. Maybe root it so you can install the market. The stock firmware has official support and you might appreciate that.
The stock firmware has official support and you might appreciate that.
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Not once you root it. It would have to be restored to unrooted stock if any official support was needed.
swaaye said:
It's entirely possible to never flash again once you have a stable release running. If Android 4 works out on Nook Color maybe that will be worth upgrading too. Otherwise we are pretty much past the teething problems of getting a decent kernel for 2.3, for example. 7.1.0 is a huge improvement over 7.0.3 primarily because of the kernel improvements that arrived since May.
I suggest you explore the stock firmware too. Maybe root it so you can install the market. The stock firmware has official support and you might appreciate that.
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Well I have tried using the nook on stock firmware, on B&N itself...but It didn't feel very snappy as other android devices...maybe rooting helps...
But that is why I am interesting in putting cm7 on it before gifting it..
BTW have ordered the nook, its on its way..
Yea there's no doubt that Dalingrin's Nook Color kernel in CM7 is a lot nicer overall than the stock software. That's where most of the speed comes from. Although he used their code, he tweaked it and threw in some enhancements.
If you want the most speed be sure to run 16bit transparency color. You can find that in the CM7 settings under performance. It speeds up scrolling considerably.